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Like I said, just pray for protection if you choose the Exorcism Prayer. I didn't and they cut off the circulation in my arm on and off for a few hours and I lost control of my left shoulder. Yuck.

[Virtual Puppetry]

There is also what Robert describes as Virtual Puppetry, which is when the neg takes total control:

pages 154 – 155, on the topic of Virtual Puppetry, both his encounters with virtual puppets and his experience becoming a virtual puppet:

Virtual Puppetry

I have experienced this state several times myself, but only for a minute or two each time. I have questioned others with possession experience and found similar symptoms reported. In virtual puppetry, a Neg forces full mind/body dissociation and takes control over one's physical body. Logically, this is accomplished by Negs working through the autonomic nervous system (reflex system), using this as a back door to gain control over the physical body.

In principle, this mechanism is similar to how any set of complex actions is learned, such as learning to walk, do karate, play a musical instrument, or ride a bike. Through exhaustive, repetitive training, humans program themselves to carry out sequences of complex, delicately timed actions without having to think about them. Often these actions are so complex that training the autonomic nervous system is the only way they can be done; if one thought about how to do them, one would be able to do them.

That is why Negs habitually use psychological conditioning processes to gain control over humans. Advanced Negs know how to condition the human body and its autonomic nervous system in such a way as to gain full control. At the time I was possessed, while the Neg was conditioning me and learning how to use my body, some interesting observations came to light.

The occasional involuntary actions I experienced were fast, smooth and precise; they were not muscular twitches. For example, my hand and arm would suddenly reach out, pick up something then throw it; this was a fast, smooth, precise action. My controlled hand did not just lash out crudely and knock something over; rather, those movements had the signs of trained reflex actions.

Virtual puppetry is the stuff of which nightmares are made. Suddenly, your mind is forcibly dissociated from your physical body. Amidst feelings of whole body pressure, you float in a surreal dreamlike world. You feel arms and legs moving of their own accord, and it's much like an OBE or lucid dream, but you have zero control over the actions or words of your physical body. Your mind feels numb, weak, under relentless mental pressure. It's very quiet inside and the world outside seems at a distance. You are a powerless observer.

It's easy to think this is a dream and give in to the pressure. You sense your physical body, but as if from a distance. You know when it is walking, but it's like walking on huge fluffy pillows. If your body picks up something, you are aware of this happening but cannot feel what is in your hand. It's as if your thinking mind has been forced outside your body.

Part of you? How, you mean, like soul braiding, walk in?

Oh, almost forgot, this one has an exorcism prayer in it, just say a prayer of protection first before you use it. I didn't and ugh, got punished. But I'm still here so don't be afraid:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10686&highlight=exorcism

I think there were some countermeasures in this thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10402&start=0

and this one has Robert Bruce's total protection techniques:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9595&highlight=

Good Luck

How respected are we talking here?

Negs will lie about why they are attacking you and tell you some story that will send you off into a wild goose chase or get you to blame yourself for some imaginary offense that doesn't exist.

Let me give an example. There was a scam once in NYC where a guy would buy some cheap champagne, deliberately bump into someone, drop the cheap bottle, and then tell the person they bumped into that the bottle was some super expensive French champagne. The perp then demands the person they bumped into to reimburse them for their loss.

Be careful with psychics and get a second opinion. Times have changed and so have the energies, and many so called good psychics havn't got a clue. They're not "tuned" shall we say and often can't tell the difference between a negative energy atmosphere and a negative energy person or entity.

I'd get Robert's book, Practical Psychic Self Defense if you can afford it. If not, or just not now, there are some countermeasures listed on this site in some threads that could help. And there is help too.

What is the truth, isn't it different for everyone? Whats to say that an exorcism can't cure a deranged person, or that medication cant cure a possessed person?

Truth is constrained by reality and the consequences of your actions. We all live on the same planet and our actions affect the world around us and others. We're not separate and disconnected from Life.We impact others and others impact us.

My exorcism failed, and many of the exorcists I talk to are shocked at how it is taking multiple exorcisms to get rid of a possessing neg. Even multiples are failing completely.

That's not to say there is no hope, just that we have to work harder to defeat them than we did in the past. And for the ones we can't defeat, we give understanding and compassion to the afflicted. REAL love defeats these things in the end.

Exactly, it's time to start educating people on the truth.

Funny boy.

Cool, keep us updated. Can you take pictures?

Garlic is a great idea Li Yun, and listen, if taking a clove is not ideal for some of you out there, you can do what I do, take garlic tablets or garlic oil soft gels. Those work great.

Well that's my point exactly. Ever since I got here, all I hear from people when it comes to neg attack is that it is the product of your imagination, as if neg interaction were like a vidoe game you control. Does the above story sound like a video game?

People come here for help by exchanging ideas with other people undergoing the same thing. Maybe it doesn't get rid of the neg altogether, but at least they have a support system.

I think Sentential is right, communication is necessary to really explain what it means to be under neg attack. Changing moods is too general and vague a description and could mean anything. Now if someone said, moods forcibly changed without assistance from yourself, as if the emotions were dissociated from you and acting without your assistance, that would sound more neg oriented.

We have to do a better job of being more specific with our experiences if understanding is ever going to develop.

I had posted this in another thread and I cannot remember which. I wanted to bring attention to it for a reason. Why isn't Robert's possession mentioned or spoken about more often here, especially given the dramatic life and death circumstances he endured not only with himself but his infant son at the time? Why aren't more people on this site aware of what a powerful neg can really do and inflict (why is this always relegated to the mind)?

Practical Psychic Self Defense on pages 135-142.

Here's an excerpt on page 136. Robert was doing an exorcism on a child and frustrated that he was unable to defeat it, he offered himself to the neg in replacement of the child thinking he'd get rid of it later. The neg took his offer, and Robert discovered he was in over his head. This is what happened next:

"...Soon, I began losing control of my body, one part at a time. The first episode of this was while reading; my arm moved on its own, picked up a book, and tossed it on the floor. This shocked me, but I still felt okay. I did not sense anything evil or threatenting in or around me. Incidents of brief loss of control increased over the next two weeks. It was not long before I knew I was in deep trouble.

The episodes of loss of control culminated in an incident in which I lost control completely. I was on a roof-top car park, lifting my baby son from my car. As if a switch had been thrown, I suddenly lost control of my body. Powerless, I was marched like a puppet carrying my son to the edge, even while I was fighting my own muscles every step of the way. I suspected the Neg in me was going to make me throw my son off the roof and then have me jump.

The strength of the mental pressure I felt was unbelievable. I did not hear voices or experience insane thoughts. This was not a compulsion. I was sane and rational. I just had no control of my body, as if suddenly struck with physical paralysis and someone else was now running my body. Thankfully, with a supreme act of will and some much-needed luck, I broke free of the puppet-like state at the last possible moment. But I no longer trusted myself after this event.

A couple of days later, I woke up (I seemed to have been sleepwalking) and found myself in the nursery with a raised ax. I got rid of the ax. I found myself back there the next night with a carving knife. I tried everything I knew of to rid myself of this Neg, but whatever I did was not enough. I was faced with only two "logical" choices: I could turn myself into a mental hospital or commit suicide. Then, I came up with a third option: I could surrender to my higher self and let it lead me out of the darkness rapidly overtaking my life. I sensed this would be difficult and probably kill me in the process anyway, but I had nothing to lose and everything to gain. I could always kill myself later."

The rest details his fight with the neg out in the Bush. Bruce left home for his family's safety and spoke candidly about he though he wouldn't be coming back alive.

or shield/push down emotions, and it goes away (not forever though)

That is not healthy at all. You have to move through your emotions to get through stuff. Shoving them down is like an alcoholic saying he doesn't have a problem. And the problems always come back, usually worse than before...you push them down, you don't deal with them and you fail to LEARN how to deal with them, and then you're worse off than before.

G3MM4, Robert Bruce does talk about negs inflicting depression in his book and even mentions a story about a Scottish Man whose son committed suicide suddenly by jumping off the top of a tall monument. The Scotsman went to the top of the monument to try to get a perspective of why his son would do such a thing when he was suddenly and ferociously attacked.

Depression is not always about you, especially when the thoughts are not yours.

That does not mean turning into a parrot and accepting everything that comes your way. If you accepted everything, there would be no learning.

And some entities pick you up because they have a vested interest in your actions, say, something that might interfere with your agenda, and no, they don't go away when you say no.

Sometimes the things you value most in life are the things you have to fight for.

Never heard of Carla Rueckert?!? So what, you just missed the 1980's?!? How old are you?

Not stopping to think, if angels are on your side, where are they now, my friend? Do they really require a request from a shaman to help you? Do you need a "middleman" to communicate with those who can help? Can they not hear you on your own? Don't you have guides (if you believe in that sort of thing) who know what's going on? If so, where were they when you were being invaded and attacked to begin with?

I need to address this, but kaili, you're right, you have to do what is right for you.

We're all connected to God, and sometimes that connection can be either severed or corrupted when under severe neg attack. It wouldn't be a big deal to rebuild on your own, if you didn't have negs attacking you and kicking you down as you are trying to climb up. Angels and such can see but don't always intervene, not out of cruelty but out of respect for our free will.

Negs go out of their way to make you feel like evil rules the universe, that power decides everything. That gets translated to relations with God and angelic beings. We think, "We have to ask for their help out of respect for their power." It's the other way around. We have to ask for help out of respect to us, our choices, our will. Look at how hard some negs work to turn around a person's life, luck, fate, etc. Would you want an angelic being acting the same way, deciding your fate instead of you doing it?

Going to someone else to help/ask? You mean like someone else who is unadulterated in connection to God and can bring more light in thatn you can at the moment? It gets us to turn to each other out of compassion and love, instead of being little islands, self focused and isolated.

Psychic Vampires steal your energy and can be an non physical entity or a physical human. You can plug that word into Amazon and see what kind of books are out there, I've heard of some good ones.

I's get Robert Bruce's "Practical Psychic Self Defense" and get educated on what you should and should not be concerned about. It's really good and dispels some of the myths.

The best power we have is education. The more informed we are, the better capable we are with dealing with a situation. We're empowered.

I think there is an exorcism prayer, if your open to it, here somewhere on the site. you might want to consider using it for a few days to clear the air, so to speak.

Or maybe a good sage oil burning would be just as effective.

If you can't tell, I'm on the side of the suffering. As long as the suffering are treated equitably, I have no problem. Too often they are blamed for the inequality and no responsibility is assumed on the part of the people with the power.

It's as if it becomes the job of the suffering to make those in power feel comfortable, which I find disgusting.

I read that Zeta stuff, that sounds fishy to me. Guides are selected for you and being polite to negs? So negs have no personal responsiblity whatsoever?

Sorry, Closest I came to reading channeled stuff was Royal and Priest and Carla Rueckert's the Ra Material (I think just about everyone has read that one). There was nothing in there about selecting guides for people. That doesn't sound positive at all.

I don't think most healers would do that, including the guy I visited. I paid because I could. Besides, what I paid for are specialist items that take time to make, the healing session was free.

I'm happy to hear that, but not everyone lacking money is a taker, anymore than everyone who is improverished is a criminal or drug addict. It's very unfair.

And many people can't tell the difference between a real healer and the swami inept down the street.

And in all honesty, there is one way to stop from being overwhelmed, you say, "No I can't right now" and you prioritize according to who is wounded more and who is less.

I think the problem with spending money is that there are many frauds and inepts...the first exorcist I went to told me horror stories of people who lost their homes, life savings etc because they were desperate and had only the local swami down the street for help.

I'm sure your contact is a nice fellow, but there have got to be limits, and not everyone has money. Negs will often go after a persons luck and many people under neg attack lose a great deal, sometimes everything. Is a person's life worth turning away simply because they lack the funds?

I think I would just like to see more compassion and generosity for the suffering.

Narfellus?

They are probably only pretending that they are nice. Question them and be critical and they will show who they really are.

Nah, the nasty ones are these black robed things, really tall too, like 10ft. A demonlogist I spoke to said he is seeing more and more abductees going to him for help for exorcisms, and they are all describing these black robed freaks. Yuck. Tried ripping me out of my body once. Just nasty and mean.