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If i'm honest I would say 70-80% of my OBEs have been achieved through the use of sleep paralysis.

Me too.

BeautyInTheDissonance,

I just dawned on me that I might have misunderstood your description.

I am very tired, so firstly I apologize. Secondly...

About that shaking/seizure in the body.... for me, it is mostly in the head.

My body can have autonomous movement or I can feel like sinking, but the seizure part happens in my brain : it feels like there is an electricity rush in my brain, behind my forehead, above my ears, and expanding from there.

I am not sure if something electrical is actually going on in my brain, but it certainly feels like it. I have made a connection a few times with Electro-choc therapy (humorously though, and I apologize if I offend anyone... with my humour... it's bad). Because after the ""seizure"" sensation (which I often amplify : I will it to become more powerful) I feel goooood in my head.

I hope this will help.

I second what has been said to you : that does not rule out health problems. Although it would not hurt I think to try to let go to check if you can get ino "sleep paralysis" that way.

And then if you get stuck in sleep paralysis, you can try to OBE or just try to move a toe or finger. Without panicking (it is easy to worry then, trust me), have patience and you will snap out of that state. I always have. To my knowledge sleep paralysis is not dangerous.

Hope this helps.

Possibly, yes, Synergy.

When I OBE, I can feel the walls I am going through.

Maybe the walls can feel me too.

Maybe electronic equipment can be affected.

(Then again, in my experiences, I might have "created" this reality of walls, that resistance of matter, because I was expecting it.)

Thank you for sharing, and I am sorry I could not be more useful.

I agree with MisterJingo.

I wanted to add this : I have had thousands of experiences of sleep paralysis. From MY expriences, it's not been dangerous (as far as I know of course).

The shaking/seazure sensations might have the following side effects -- they have for me :

- feeling tired afterwards (once you have waken up, as if you have slept longer than you have... or have "spent" much energy...). Not entirely an unpleasant feeling by the way.
- feeling gooooood in my head AS IF I had had an orgasm (close enough to that).

I am definately not convinced though that someone else might not have totally different "side" effects.

As for moving objects... You will probably come to learn that there is not a single question starting with "Is it possible to..." that doesn't have "yes" as the answer. Right now you could point your finger at something and have it blow up right in front of you.

Did you try it? Did it work? Probably not... Our inability to do whatever we want is very analogous to phobias... You just can't tell yourself that you're not afraid anymore. In just the same way, you just can't tell yourself that you now have superpowers... You need to go through rigorous training, psychological training.

Someone here (from something I have read in another thread yesterday) said that if this was true (something along what you're saying in the quote above) then babies, who have no belief systems, who have not set limits for themselves (just repeating the argument here) might interact with their environments in a mind over matter way, which is not what we're seeing.

I am singling this out, and I apologize for that. Everything you're telling me is very, very useful...

This is an excellent thread.

My personal mean for verification was to set some card on a piece of furniture face up, which card I would not know -- but check while OBEing.

Often I cannot get to the card.

If I do, humorously enough, I pick the card up (while OBEing) to look at it. It's in my hand and I look at it (while the actual card is still on the piece of furniture) and images of all cards in the deck arrange themselves in a mosaique, or I just can't see anything. So, in other words, it's like a dream, and probably is.

I am not helpful, and I apologize.

More helpful information :

- I am 34.
- Like MisterJingo, I have (maybe) done astral traveling and have had OBE since I was a child. ALSO I have suffered greatly from sleep paralysis. I still do from time to time. With hallucinations while being in sleep paralysis, the usual (dark being that I am scared of, that wants to inject something in the back of my neck, that is exerting pressure on my back -- or/and I am hearing some - non-existent - radio channels... people chatting, music, that simply cannot be heard in my room.)
- I am female.

I am sorry I could not be more helpful.

I was a poster here a long time ago. I wanted to come back to find out what people were experiencing in the alleged astral now - to see if we are having common experiences.

This is who you know. I can't use my other user name now, only this one.

I have questions for God.

1. What with this talk of mine about me being agnostic ? (It's been lasting for months now...) I have the feeling that you are behind this, or that someone is, pulling me in that direction. Emptying my cup so to speak, starting fresh. Faith versus reality. Faith is important, but are You faith-based ? Are you for real ? I still believe that you are, but it's engrained, I am not sure how big it is still a part of me now, is it getting stronger or weaker ? Arggg...

2. What should I do with my life -- in January ? I am really unsure. Work, what kind of work, Master degree, Communication or Creative Writing, or something... else ?

3. Is there something unpleasant I should know about myself concerning what happened with Nicolas this summer. I think it's really over now : he will not contact me again, and I am pretty much "over" him now. I really liked him. Is there something that I don't know about me (my behavior, something) ?

4. Which will be more useful for me and my friends ? Learning through parnic healing or quantum touch ? Or something else ? Do you have a simplified method ? I have the feeling it is very simple. I can almost hear some answer from you here.

I am a little lost, feel lonely and have a cold.

Take your time Mustardseed. Let it flow. Don't worry if it seems off-target or vague or weird.

Nature is force full, so are my truths and I have made it so that they are best enjoyed and experienced from within a construct. No scientist would do much good without a frame work from where he could examine what he collects, so its all for your own good

Thank you Mustardseed & God.

Some people think (I am saying "some people" but of course you know who I mean..) that we choose a general path before our birth, that there are lessons to be learnt & patati & patata. I am afraid that I have NOT chosen to be single all my life. What the bonk is going on here?

I hope that everything is o.k. with you. That temperatures are warming up where you are. That you don't overwork yourself, and don't let the scorpio in you get too dark about matters of life.

If you have the time I have a general question for God. Maybe it's been answered before, it might sound like a cliché, but it does come up for me.

Why is it that you let people do "terrible things" in your name ? Some people seem to be sincere in feeling guided by you to do things that, to other people at least, are questionable. In my country, some gents fear the fondamentalist christianism in the States. What do you do about all this ? People getting very "hot" with you, yet becoming increasingly judgmental. That's what I mean (also). I know that we have to judge the "infuence" by the fruits. But some people don't see the same fruits as others. They see a rotten fruit where someone sees a beautiful fruit, and vice versa.

Also, if time permits, is there really any such thing as free will ? Aren't we, at any moment, the perfect and logical product of our past, of everything that lead up to this moment, and aren't our actions and decisions also, often just as unknowingly, the product of our environment (which is also the product of the past), our chemistry, genes, hormones, caffeine consumption, digestion and all those biological things...? Take pms for example    It's an easy shot, but you know what I mean ? Our brain is constantly on drugs : natural and not so natural drugs, but mostly natural drugs produced by our bodies. We have learn reactions to stimuli, to certain events, etc... so where is the free will exactly ?
If we see the limits, the actual limits of everybody's free will, isn't there more room for compassion ? Compassion for ourselves and others I mean. We ignore the circumstances of other people, more often than not. Who are we to judge ?

I am female, lines.

At one point I wanted to avoid doing something that was senseless for me. The only way out was to get sick, the other option was to abandon 3 classes, which had consequences that I did not like, i.e. kissing goodbye to about 4,000$, anyway, God, you know my situation, this is more for Mustardseed - so I got sick, really sick. Thank you God. You gave me a ticket out, and I never regretted it. Now I am weary of something again, and I am getting sick... again. But should avoid what I have to do ?
It has to do with helping someone else with their ambition. A project where a person is kept isolated for 4 days, without food, in a glass jar, exposed to people walking down the street. To get attention, that's the goal. Get public attention. As we expect (hope, for some people) that the person that lives in such isolation will have a fit. We'll get him psychological help before and after. I volonteered with programming. I don't like the project so much anymore.

Is there a danger of sleeping too much ? I dream a lot, I sleep during the day mostly, because I wake up early now, with the sun. I have this habit of going to McDonald in the morning : my goal is to get out of the house with the sun. It's very slippery outside with my crutches, so I drive to a place that's cheap and open at this early hour and where I can sit and eat and read and write. ( I know it sounds bad to people : going to McDonald.. heeshh, well forget it, scroll down.. for Mustardseed : the filter coffee is good, and like I said it's cheap, and I AM cheap, that's why I can survive with a little.)

God, I value freedom, even when I don't know what to do with it. There is some shame in it : why should I be free ? What is it about me that I deserve to be on my own, independant ? Sounds like vanity, rebellion without a cause. But I think I need it, I am convinced I do : need lots of free time. To write. Which is another delusion. Been with me for so long that I feel as if it's written somewhere. New age people would say that I established a contract, before birth, that my life's purpose is so and so, which includes writing. Not so. I want to be an artist and live a bohemian life because I am selfish and think highly of myself and want to be free-free-free, as if I am part of some aristicratic class, above everyone else who has to have a job they don't really like, etc.

God, how can I pay you back? Where's my place in this world where I am not only a parasite but helpful ? What's my purpose ?

Just filled out a stupid questionnaire to find out how my chakras are...
don't laugh... seems like my head down to my neck is o.k. but everything below is closed. Of course the questionnaire sees as "wrong" the fact that someone doesn't express himself sexually, but that's another manner.
What are God's views about sex ? Is sex there only for procreation ?
(what's the pupose ? It seems it brings as smuch pleasure as pain, sometimes more pain, and I mean desire, lust...)

Questions for God :

Why do I get so angry and fedup with spiritual boards in general ? Why does a conversation supposedly aimed at the "spiritual" almost always ends up putting my stomach in knots ? (I guess it's the same with the political discussions).

Remember my youth, God ? When I read that book about Jean-Paul Sartre, and this thing he called bad faith ? I fell in love with the concept. Ever since I go around with my "bad faith radar". Sometimes I catch myself acting in bad faith, but, naturally, with this high opinion I have of myself, I most often detect it in others. Many conversations become imo useless, people defend views that do not challenge what they have to do, or specifically *not* do, it's always the fault of the *governements*, they always have some conspiracy theory at hand, then they think that everything will change when 1% of the population will get it "spiritually", they still talk about that urban legend of the 100 monkes.

They read books that preach to the converted : they think a book is great when the book reflects their views, when the book is some kind of confirmation of what they think -- from an external "trusted enough to be published" source. People are just lazy, intellectually and plainly... lazy.
And I am too, just like them. Which brings me to question 2 (if you could understand question 1).

I certainly have a difficult time putting my hands where my head is. I really want to do something, really do, and I don't do it. I want, for example, badly to contact an old friend, but precisely because I miss him very much, I wait till I am less "in want" and end up not calling him. As soon as the "want" is formulated, felt consciously, there seems to be a myriad of opposing forces... is that Satan ? Is that what we call Satan? Lack of courage ? Not doing something BECAUSE we decided to do it.
It's resistance, but not just that. Sometimes I feel like sleeping through my entire life. I resist to most kinds of investment, and "wanting". Buddhism attracts me : I want to take myself away from wanting, envy, ambition, I don't want to be caught up with any kind of ambition, except maybe the one that makes a positive difference in the world. But do I ?

Where does the resistance comes from ? You do seem like rewarding me with my effort, I admit. If I give enough, I get back. If I spend enough time working on something, the motivation gets stronger, and the inspiration too. But that might very well be only psychological.

I have decided to put you on a shelf. It's no time to talk about you, who cares about you now ? So many people are giving you a bad name. I'd rather pretend to be an atheist and have rational conversations where
you are not involved, if you don't mind. Do you approve ? Do you need me to worship you openly ? I don't think so. I have spoken about you in vain and vanity, time to stop now, and stand on my own 2 feet of rational thinking.

One of my teachers at the university said I was very rational, and it hurts. It seems almost like a fault to have : you are either rational, or creative. Well organized or creative. Boring or creative. So God, what should I do ? Maybe I should do a boring job, maybe that's what I am good at, organize those that are creative ?

I am angry God, why am I angry ? Why do I hate Americans ? But wait... why do I hate myself and others (it's usually in sync). I am disgusted by our human nature. This inertia. Not that we are bad people. We're good people, we are just .. well it seems like we don't have free will... we talk and act like robots... under the control of habit.

Also, I thank you for having taken sex away from me. It's one part of the equation that made the whole think suck for me, now it's out, and I thank you for that, no irony meant here. You know what I mean, right ?
(reference to a few days ago). Better without lust.

Nay deleted an important post of mine where I was talking about the channeling among other things. Very tiring. This was the result of much and long reflexion.

I don't have to apologize Mustardseed. I was attacked.

Count me out Mustardseed. Let's move this out of the public eye. This is not working for me at all, the neg is from here. I know it. Goinglsow knows it. The farthest and the longest we are away from astral Pulse, the better we feel. There is something wrong with this board, or rather with some of the people who post here. I don't know what it is, but when we take a long break our life returns to normal again.

I am sorry but this action from Nay is just the thing that makes me sway out of here. Thank you Nay. God was acting on your behalf.

I will be happy to talk to you Mustardseed through e-mail.

Have a good life.