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I'd like to know if those info are correct.

Hello everyone, I'm back with a new experience that has me confused.  Maybe some people out there can show me the light.  So here we go:

This was 2 nights ago.  I went to sleep around 11 and woke up around 3 or 4 for some reasons.  Went back too sleep and I believe I had an OBE.  I'm saying I believe because I'm not sure if I was dreaming that I was having an OBE or if it really was one.  Well whether I was dreaming or not, I realized that I was dreaming so I decided to attempt to project.  Vibrations kick in really hard (note that I'm not sure if I'm dreaming that vibrations are happening or if it's real, but I remember sensing the vibrations as if they were real) and a voice starts talking.  It goes like this:
"Okay, okay, D.  S. (<- those are my innitials but "it" said my full name), we're having a lot of turbulences here.  We might crash, but don't worry, keep going and you'll be there", and the vibes kept getting stronger and the voice would keep talking.  I don't remember what else it said but it creeped me out.  It was a deep and crackling voice.  And I remember waking up telling myself, "Damn, that was creepy" and saying that I'll have to write all that down in the morning.  But when I woke up in the morning, it seemed that the whole thing was a dream within a dream but it all felt real, from me waking up from the OBE to the vibes to the voice, to getting out from the vibes because i was scared.

Any ideas?
Thanks, and forgive my English.

What ever you wanna prove out of it buddy.

I suggest you try to ignore them as much as possible.  But that to a certain extant.  If they are too violent, you should try to exit when they are at a bearable stage at which you can ignore.  From this point use a method to get out.  If those vibrations happen to you every night then I'd say you're lucky because you'll have for sure at least one try to get out while those vibes are happening.

I don't think there's nothing to be afraid of. It's been many years now, so you should be already used to it.  Just go along with the vibes and I guarentee you that OBE is very near.

The Pope passed away last Saturday.  Were anyone of you affected by it?  If so how?

I have been doing a lot of researches about nowdays miracles that have happened throughout other religions than Christianity.  I have found very little but most of the are from Christianity.  I won't push my belief on anybody but maybe Christianity is the truth.

Here is a very good site about nowdays miracles (bleeding statues, holy appearances, etc...) *note that I'm posting this site for sources only, if this goes against the forum's rule, I'll take it off myself*.

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http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/

How about you read the Bible and then you'll be able to decide for sure if you believe in them or not.

Haaaaa....I can't wait to visit that island... sounds incredible. Won't be anytime soon though because I didn't even have one full obe.  But I'll make sure to come by when I do and see all ya'll there.
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I don't get those when I dream but when I relax and try to obe or after a lucid dream tryong to get out of my physical body.  At first it was pretty scary, but now I just feel excited when they come because they don't come that often and I know that for me, those vibrations mean that I'm almost about to leave the physical body.  So my suggestion is, treat them as your friends, not your enemy.

What's a "monad"?

I loved your reply Frank.  The way you described the scene going on in the mind was great.  That's the exact same thing I do.  Just let your self get deeper and deeper.  See and sense everything and after a while, the mind will take care of all the work for you.  You just give it a push and it'll roll by itself.

When you get a surgery and they give you a shot to put you asleep with that breathing mask on.  Is it possible to obe before you actualy fall asleep.  I had so many surgeries in 17 years of life (probably 8-10 surgeries) and I always play a little game.  I try to stay awake as long as I can but i've never gotten out from it.  I know it's a different state than laughing gas since it forces you to go unconcious, but there is an in between relaxed state.  Maybe you can get out to the astral from there.

edit: wront thread, sorry.  I couldn't find out how to delete my reply.

the site you're thinking of is www.sharereiki.org... they have a lot of e-books and manuals as well as masters willing to share energy from distance and give you attunements for free.  Very good website.

wow, you know im staying away from this....

[hey andonitxo, in what city you live in, i lived in Toulouse, and my grandma lives in Basque Country too, or very near it.  She's in Handaye-St. Jean de Luz, and my uncle in Biarritz.]

im 17. been tryin for a year now... havent gotten out completely yet.

yeah i do have those pains sometines, ususally under the left side of my ribcage.  They hurt real bad but what i do is raise energy at that place and try to leave the body again the next day.  That usually does it for me.

yeah i my head falls down too... one day my neck cracked so hard, i couldnt move it at all for at least 2 days....  but if you get that one balanced point before meditating, it'll stay there throughout the whole session.

yup... i live not for my self but for others.  Anyways... what ever happens man, obe or not, i really wish you get out of any trouble you're facing.  Just keep your head up

Thanks for the replies.... and yeah, Tom from the board.  He is very nice and seems very experienced.  I was surprised he didn't brush me off when I first talked to him.  He's been a real help to my progress.

Hello to everyone... yeah, you gonna look at my amount of posts and gonna think I'm a noob.  But i've never really posted but i've been coming here everyday for about a year now and been talkin to "Tom" (tomskinney on aim) for a while now on aim... he's been helping me out a lot, but i'd like to share what i've been through this last year and what my problems are.  Maybe this will help some people, and others will help me with my own problems so here we go (please forgive my english, i'm french   ).

So, how did I get into this field?  Well, I'm not going to lie, i really loved dbz (sorry   ) and i started doing energy work.  But i learned a lot since then.  I know what can be achieved and what can't.  I started NEW about a year and a half ago.  I raised energy and became better always learning new things.  It is also around that time i found out about astralpulse.  So i'd go and check the energy section from time to time and i got interested in lucid dreams.   I have many, many lucid dreams, i don't know why, but i guess i'm just gifted at it.  So i would read people's experience and sometimes i would read things about obe's but never would search more about it being too lazy.  

I kept raising energy for about half a year but never really got too far with it or really had big ambitions so it got kinda boring.  This is when i started reading this section of the forum and checking astraldynamics (robert bruce's site) and learning about obe's.  It seemed facinating... i was imagining my self with infinite power...  I'd think i would get out and become a God... fly around, see new people, have a second life.  But results did not come fast...

I started reading about meditation and about techniques on how to exit the body.  I bought books and what not and started working hard about 3 months ago....  Withing a month i could feel small vibrations.  A month later came something that absolutely terrified me... I thought i was going to die fo reals.  I did my regular routine and started meditating reaching for those vibes...  after 20-30 minutes they came.... but much stronger than before.  Kind of like a big earthquake all over my body.  My breath was racing like if i sprinted a mile, and my heart was stomping so hard that it sounded like a subwoofer.  My body was shaking so hard (or so i thought, it was just energy rushing through), i thought i was going to fall off my bed, but i tried to stay still.  It got stronger, and i eventually got too scared. I thought i was going into cardiac arrest or something.  I woke up with my body all wet full of sweat.  I knew from there on that i got very close.  Next day i talked to Tom, and he informed me that it was energy and that i had to try to ignore it.

I kept getting vibes but never got out.  I would lucid dream and i would become aware and try to get out but vibes would hit and then fade away, until one day...  i was lucid dreaming and i got half way out (someway somehow).  My torso was sticking out and i could see my body when i turned my face around but my lower body (leggs) were stuck... no way to get out... i eventualy got back into my body.  Wow, once again, i almost got out, but always progressing.  So, next day i talk to Tom again and he tells me my legs weren't relaxed.  Since then, no really bigger results... havent goten out at all since then... still feel vibes but that's it...  i still have problems which i need to work on and these are:

1.  i sometimes go so deep in trance that i fall asleep   .... but that doesn't happen that often.
2.  my hands sometimes jerk real bad and it breaks my meditation, but im working on that with Tom.
3.  saliva is really anoying... i can go on without thinking about it but after a while my body just swallows by it self and i awake.
4.  vibes come but then they fade away and i don't get out


I hope this wasn't too long. again sorry for my english... i hope this can help/inspire some people... if it's really bad that people can't understand... ill delete it myself....

Ok, im registered to an other forum and we were talking about projecting and some member told me that many in his families passed away and all were practicing obe's.  Here's what he said:

Those of you who practice this should consider the long time consequences...I have friends and some family members who have passed on...the funny thing, they all died a peculiar way and all practiced this...there is one way that the bushmen do it, they have a problem wit somebody and decide to take there revenge by visiting that person by night and biting or scratching them...they can leave in the form of a wide variety of dark animals (mostly rats, owls and cats, hawks..etc) and upon arrival of that persons house will torment them through the night..I have studied this for about 3 years fully. When they are over, they will return to there body by going back to the house via flying if bird or scurrying if rodent...heres one thing...if that animal is caught, the person at there home who is projecting themselves into the animal to bid there deeds will never awake from the trance...the tribe people of South America and Africa take to breaking the legs or wings of the animal and going around the village to look for whoever it is that isnt up yet and badaboom...theres your culprit...

Then there is the more civilized projection...this leads into the spiritual realm which we do not belong yet if we arent dead...you guys who are into this, have you ever heard the phrase "thus the silver cord be loosed" There is a certain range that you can travel out of your body and there is a silver cord attached from the body to the spirit...when you go to far that cord is snapped and you are dead...i have some uncles who have died while sitting and practicing this during the night and never got up from his chair...i have a friend who tried stopping but was visited by night every day by his spiritual aquaintance who would first come nice and urge himn to come back until that spirit became moe aggitated through the nights and took to slamming his refrigerator or pulling his hair...just know what your getting into...if astral projection wasthat good, dont you think everyone would be doing it?

Is any of this true??  Tell me what you think cuz im kinda trippin; now.  Im so close to projecting, i get all those strong vibes but after having read that... i dunno if i wanna try to project anymore.  Thanks.

Okay, i have read about OBE and AP and i have tried to experience them in vain.  But i can recall that i used to have them as a kid i believe.
I can clearly remember 3 examples when i was around 7-10 years old.
1st i was sleeping and i think i was dreaming but it felt so real.  I was up on the side of my bed and i could see myself sleeping.  Then the stuffed animal i used to sleep with called out my name "david" and i saw animals in my room walking arounds spitting fire.  I ran to my parents room and tried to wake them up but i couldn't.  Then after a while i finally woke up.  This wasn't no ordinary dream.  It felt so real... all my senses were there... i could see, feel, and hear perfectly.

2nd experience was about a nightmare that used to reoccur very often.  I would be sleeping and i would sit up.  I could feel everything and my window would open up.  I could feel the air coming through and then-what i believed was Satan- came through and tried to grab me.  I would run in the hall way and we would have a window-door that leads to the livingroom.  I ran to it and could see my parents watching TV.  I would knock hard but they wouldn't notice me and the door was locked.  The "satan" would come and drag me back to my bed.  There i could see my self and i would scream for me to wake up in vain.  I always ended up getting eaten and wake up in the end.  This was also a very strong dream (possibly AP).  It would occur very often and always when my parents would be watching TV since after i woke up i would run to the living room and try to open the window-door.

My 3rd experience was about falling dreams.  I used to fall off buildings, mountains etc... in my dreams.  And i always could feel a sensation in my "crouch area", kinda like if you're riding a roller coaster.  I believe you call it G FORCE.  One night i woke up in the middle of the dream and i found my self falling from the ceiling on top of my bed.  I could see my self sleeping and as i fell i would enter back to my body.

I would like to know if there were AP or just regular dreams.  I don't remember a lot of my dreams as a kid.  I was really young and i still do remember these.  If they are Ap's, why could i experience it as a kid, and now that i try to experience it now, i can't?

Well yeah... im sorry if this whole thing is confusing... im french. excuse my english.  and thanks all of you in advance

Ok this might sound weird but my dad dreams of people dying before it happens.
For example... Princess Diana... we lived in France back then and my dad dreamt that she'd crash in his dream.  He predicted it in the morning when he woke up and when we turned on the news, we were all shocked.  This has happened for memebrs of my family.  A more recent one would be Barry Whhite's death.  What seems weird is that all these people were looked up from my mom (dad's wife).  She loved Princess Diana and barry White.  So maybe if someone could explain?

I have tried to move that damn psi wheel move for 2 weeks now... but nothing.  What am i doing wrong?  I concentrate and i focus for sometimes so long that i fall asleep.  Oh yea, when i concentrate, i can see the psi wheel's aura after a while.  I believe its green.  Thank you