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I have lost the link but yes, you can buy it through internet without problem. This is what I did.

So all is needed to work on is the 2nd track of CD1 from the Gateway experience ? Aren't the other tracks and other CDs also orientated towards OBE and may be then also helpful ?

Thanks Indian

I did and I had no success in any area

It would be interesting to set a meeting in advance, at a certain day/time, so we would be sure to have many members here then.

A subject for the chat could also be decided prior the session.

I get a little bit confuse.

I understand the importance of not expecting anything, just trying to stay aware of anything happening, whatever it is.

But, with phasing, I also thought that I had to be aware of the blackness. Of course, there is no need to look at the blackness with physical eyes but more with internal eyes, like the one everybody uses when day dreaming or before falling asleep. Right ?

Thanks for the clarification.

I tried many time to train on body asleep, mind awake just before sleeping, at night, but is it very difficult. Early in the morning or in the end of the afternoon seems easier...less risks to fall asleep directly.

I am always trying to be as objective as possible that's why I wrote this sentence, not being 100% sure of what I do during my practice if I try to analyze a session afterwards

But for sure, I'll let go even more.

I usually try to stay passive but maybe that I am not enough, maybe I force a little even if I try not to.

I'll try again with that in mind.

Thank you Xanth for such a fast answer.

I read this great post from Franck maybe 2 times. I'll surely read it again.

I try to notice the differences in the blackness but to me, everything looks the same. I will anyway keep on practicing.

I have been trying to phase for now 5 months. I do train seriously, almost everyday and usually from 30 minutes to 2 hours.

The problem is that I never see hypnagogic images. I am relaxed, I can calm my mind but the blackness remains black so I am kind of frustrated as I can't reach the 3d blackness.

Any idea about how to phase without seeing hypnagogic pictures behind the eyelids ?

Try to use a pillow or change your position in bed. The problem usually occurs when lying down in bed, on the back, without a pillow.

What about your success Jester ?

Any update with the system ?

please, no flame this time

I haven't worked a lot on it recently but I haven't been able to reach even the hypnagogic state. Actually, even when I practice Frank's phasing method, even after 1 hour, I see no light or whatsoever unfortunately behind my eyelids.

Is it common ? It is bothering as with this problem phasing is out of my reach.

I believe the Vehram system is good but despite many efforts, I still haven't achieved any OBE even not reached the hypnogogic stage.

Did other members have had better progresses ?

5 minutes of concentration exercises a day does awesome things for visualization and holding awareness. Pick something simple and try to hold that one thing or thought for 5 minutes, when your mind slips into something else, come back to the exercise. After a while you should be able to do the whole 5 minutes and you'll start to notice a difference in your meditations. I'll admit, it's a boring exercise, but well worth the 5 daily minutes of discipline.

Excellent tip Stookie, thanks, I'll try to find something to concentrate on even though I have reached the F10 quite often, I have never been able to have hypnagogic visions. that's a bit frustrating !

Can you re-write the question, I really don't understand it.

Any progress guys ?

Me too, no exit even though I managed to stay completely calm and relax during the breathing process.

I am glad you liked my idea and gives an answer to it. That is a very good news.

As for OBE, I am also interested in the discoveries you made about the Array.

Thanks Vessen.

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no reviews yet ?

I am still stuck in the breathing process. No vibrations or hypnagogic images yet.

Thank you also Vessen for being so clear in your explanations.

Will you update your ebook from time to time and give new download link for your customers then ? that'd be great.

maybe could you tell in the book more about the array and what they do on an energy level...maybe you could create a FAQ according to the PM questions you answered ?

It could be a very exciting process for all of us, your students 

I keep my daily OBE regimen anyway, trying to have success with phasing.

I suppose that VES + Phasing should produce results.

I think jub jub we almost had the same experience the same night !

I confirm, it's really frustrating

Thanks for those explanations Vessen.

We do keep a positive attitude but it's true , the process is not that easy. Staying awake enough when waking up during the night is difficult...but of course, not impossible.

So let's keep this thread alive and share our successes soon !