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Draege,

I've got a similar problem. I can OBE/AP regularly from lucid dreams/false
awakenings but not meditations. What's the deal?

One possibility is that I have only hypnapompic OBE experiences. That is,
as I'm waking up, rather than fallng a sleep - as in a meditation.

Another possibility is that wall you speak of. Just can't let go completely.
Maybe it's a defense mechanism for my sanity?

Also, I'm one of those people that takes forever to fall asleep at night.  
Once again is the problem of letting go. If I could solve the OBE problem,
I'd solve the sleep one, too.

I do get cool experiences from meditations though, especially
clauraudient things - where I can contact people's guides. Sometimes
the info I pick up auditorily from the meditation route is more
accurate than what I pick up from the OBE path. Although,
OBE'ing/AP'ing is a lot more fun - full 3-D visual, audio, tactile, etc.

-mike

Qbeac,

I don't think I could read two physical words
a 1000 miles away, based on my experiments.
But other projectors may be capable of this.

The general sense I have been getting from OBE'ing
to visit other people is that I'm not actually travelling
to their physical locales but instead to their dream locales.
A funny way to put it - I am travelling inside their head.

One way we could theorize this is that a part of
us, maybe many of our thoughts, visualizations
of the the way places look, and our dreams
exist in a different dimensional plane, that any
traveler can traverse. This is still is a really cool
aberration of conventional psychological thought.

Some of my earlier experiences in OBE'ing were
more "physical" in nature. Like seeing the rafters
in my apartment's roof,  feeling the material
under the carpet, or putting my hand inside
different objects to feel their inner texture.
Alas, as I moved farther from my
sleeping body, the reality distortions tended to kick in.

So the experiment I'd like to perform now is thought
transferrence in the OBE state similar to partnered
exploration (PE) with Tvos. Many people have successfully
performed PE's. It's a common occurrence at
the Monroe Institute's programs. But like we advise
everybody else, we've got to do for ourselves to believe
it.

-mike

Hey all,

My proof:

http://www.mysticalexplorer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

Not perfect. Not double-blind. Lots of fun, though.

BTW, if anybody is interested in a free "psychic inspection"
send me an email. The purpose of these P.I.'s are to
improve my ability to locate others, validate my experiences,
but not to be a psychic in the traditional sense, i.e. offering
advice, etc.

-mike

I can confirm that melatonin leads to projections/lucid
dreaming. The projections are often to lower astral,
which used to scare me a lot. Now, I don't mind...

-mike

Sorry about that. I tend to rush to judgment sometimes.
I agree, there's a lot of other explanations.
Good luck and keep us posted on your findings.

-mike

Knightlight,

The sounds of voices you are hearing is from no less than
the traditionally-termed Hell. Now why certain souls end up
there is unknown to me.

People from there are constantly being retrieved. To "retrieve"
is to bring the soul up to a more rational state of existence where
it can evaluate what it did wrong and rectify it - thru perhaps,
future lives.

You are apparently being used as a fishing line for these souls.
Notice how you keep falling and falling, this is bringing you
lower and lower in the astral. (I frequent the lower astral to help out,
but I've never been that low!)
Your energy while in the physical is visible to even these lowest level-dwelling of  souls. If they notice you, they may change their tune long enough to get rescued by a helper or angel (?) waiting in the wings.
It's not common to end up this deep in the pit of the lower astral.
Most projectors would stop their activities all together
after one of those trips. For you, it's a bit scary and annoying but
not enough for you stop operations.

I recommend should you be so cursed again in being in this realm again, is to belt out a good song, any favorite song will do. By singing, you are emanating "love" (for lack of a better term) which may interrupt these souls, and if nothing else block out their disharmonies in your ears.

-mike

Retrievals are an experience by a living person, projecting
or in an altered state of conscious, where they help one or
more souls either become aware of spirit helpers nearby or they
transport the soul to a higher vibration or a different plane
altogether.
 
The idea is that helpers in spirit are not always able to
lower their vibrations sufficiently to become noticeable
to a "stuck" soul - such as one who has recently passed and
still ties itself to the Earth plane. The energy of a living person in the
astral is easily visible, on the other hand. There is
certainly variation is how much meddling a retriever does. It
can be sufficient in many instances to simply stand in front of
the helper so that when the soul looks at you, they will suddenly
recognize the helper behind you.

All of my retrieval experiences indicate this is an important service
and there should be no bias towards people who were evil or good in their lifetime. Who are we to judge?

Tvos & All,

Let's get this statistics on your card experiment right. I'm
going to be very liberal in the judging.

You guessed the correct suit of the first card and that it was a face
card. The number of cards that satisfy this constraint is 3.

On the second guess - which we'll assume corresponded to the 2nd
card, you got the right suit and saw a number card. The number of
cards that would fit that description is 10.

So it's 3 out of 52 (first) and 10 out of 52 (second)
 3/52*10/52 = 30/( 2704 ) = 1/90.133 : 90 to 1 odds.
Still very impressive.

Scientists have been doing the OBE remote viewing experiment for years, but from what I gather the results have been mixed. The bad part is that the images need to be very large to avoid interpreter overlay (subconscious modification).  The good part is that they found that they can make the image so that only an OBE'er can see it - like using special mirrors.

As far general remote viewing is concerned - not thru OBE, the scientific studies at SRI are quite convincing. I read this book written back in the late 70's. Uri Geller, a guest subject, was incredibly accurate at predicting drawings people made in adjacent rooms. The experiments were so successful that they made it into the prestigious journal Nature. Ironically, his famous spoon-bending trick was not scientifically reproducible in the lab and they left this part out of the article.

-mike

Sarah,

I know what you're talking about regarding dry spells.

It's nice to know there are different intercessors out
there who can help us back into the astral. That is, there
seems to be certain people like Monroe
who offer their services to projectors who need an extra
push. I've gotten help from other people's guides and
and two energy healer Masters - one alive/one deceased.
Someone on another board, a devout Christian, says
her archetype gives her a big boost.

-mike

Sarah,

Congrats on contacting Monroe. "Thank you" that's
the first thing I said to him when I saw him, too.
Now that he knows you're looking for him, he might
unexpextedly pay you a visit like he did for me a
few weeks/months later.

-mike

Tvos,
Thanks for letting me brag about myself
In a good week, I can project as much as 4 days out of the week. On a bad one, I might be able to muster a weekend trip sleeping in. I find the secret to lucidity for me is intention, energy work, not being stressed out in life, and getting plenty of sleep (low to zero sleep debt) Getting in touch with RAM has been a challenge, it wasn't intentional when it first happened. I've only done it now about 3 or 4 times, 2 of them intentional. The unintentional visits were stronger/longer. The codeword doesn't always work. My mental state seems to be more important. He commented once, sorry I can't speak to you, your energy isn't ready.
I think getting more visits with Monroe will require conscious mental plane projection. How do I do that? I'm not an expert, I'm just beginning to break the barrier. Let's see - pure thoughts, desire/request to merge with Higher Self, intention to raise vibrations or raise the "heat" kind of like revving up your energies, intending to switch to my mental body. I've gathered from other people, mental projection is somehow projection from a different chakra or point of the body. I don't have a sense, though, where I'm projecting from because when I  become lucid, I'm already "out" or least my focus is in the etheric body (seeing thru closed eyelids)
Maybe Frank can give us some tips on mental projecting. It's definitely the next challenge for me. Maybe they should start a new sub-forum on mental projection - the world of guides,HS,love,etc.
-mike

Tvos,

I hear Monroe and his "radio" when I'm in the astral state but I'm connected to  my body. This is during the time I'm lucid when I'm sleeping at night. Lucid dreaming is my std. technique for starting exploration.
From what I've read in McKnight's book, RAM dwells in the "love plane"
I think this is also the mental plane, right above the astral. The fact that
I only hear his voice means, my state is of a lower vibration, but he manages to connect with me (using his technology?).  Note how Frank can see him also. I'm still working on reaching the mental plane regularly.
I should work with Frank to see if we are communicating with the same person, if Frank can glean my codeword or some other piece of info or vice-versa. Note how we can't verify it's Monroe we're talking to, unless RAM provided us some form of info that we could verify with his family or close friend.

-mike

Tvos,

The very first time I bumped into him was when I visited TMI-there,
which is the high-astral version of the Monroe Institute. Apparently,
he keeps an eye on the activities going on there with one of his
many selves. I introduced myself and started pouring on the flattery
and he acted like I was bothering him.

From then on, my encounters have been audio only. One night,
I was just minding  my own business while AP'ing around and I seemed to pick up a radio station with RAM's voice. He was going into a whole dissertation about "double bodies".

Then, a few months later, I heard his voice again talking about some esoteric subject. I asked a question and amazingly he answered. I proceeded to ask several questions. He then gave me a codeword to
reach him should I have more questions.

From what I can gather in my experiences, he would like to teach knowledge about the afterlife to anyone who would like to listen, hence the radio effect. So far I've had difficulty remembering what he says. As you know it can be hard to process technical information while AP'ing.

-mike

Hi All,

Bob Monroe is quite active in the afterlife.

I have a few of my own experiences with him. All of them only audio communication.  It started out as "Hemi-Sync radio" where he was monologuing and sending me hemi-sync sounds into my ears while I was OBE which produced strange visual experiences. It's important to note, I'm
hardly a Hemi-Syncer myself. I bought a few tapes and CD's,
but don't get much out of them. Never been to Gateway either.

In one my latest experiences with him, he was in his lab
and I asked him he could send me some PUL (pure unconditional
love) energy so that I could experience what it was like. It sounded like he was tinkering with a few buttons. Then I felt quite warm, fuzzy, and white. Not exactly an emotional epiphany. But actually helped me put 2 and 2 together regarding previous experiences.

I mentioned "Bob's lab" on another board and a person pointed
me to a recent book by Rosalind McKnight (Soul Journeys) It turns
out there's a whole chapter of Bob's lab on the other side. That
was a nice confirmation.

Bob definitely has an agenda of some type with me. I can only
conjecture what that might end up being. Channeling books?
He even gave me my own special codeword to conjure him up, which
really touched me, since I don't have a regular guide when I'm APing. He has a very matter of fact tone when talking to me. I once asked him whether I was part of his Disk (soul group) - to which he replied - "What would I need you for?"  

-mike

Tom,

Here's what I picked up in the last day:

Phasing - Tried to contact your guide, asked him for something
you would find useful and proof that I'm reaching your guide.
Male voice. Somewhat
of an echo (?) Steven or Bill is older brother.
I tried to pick up mother's name - Pauline. Father's name-Bill. Guide
says your good with numbers and like to solve riddles. Something
about chimes and violinist.  And something about "ethnic" which
I assume to mean you like ethnic food.

AP - Ask to visit TSK. End up in sky with scattered clouds.
I start falling and oomph hit the ground (strange for an AP)
ground is lightly snow covered wet brown dirt. Busy roads
nearby. Light brown - siding apartments. "Hillcrest" on a sign.

Overall, I'm not confident of what I picked up this time. But it was
a college try. Maybe one more round (like an AP tonight)
and then we'll take a look at the results.

-mike

Alright. I will try another round tonight to see
what other stuff I can pick up. Yeah, picking up
the physical world from AP is difficult. I wonder
how remote viewers do it with good accuracy. I think
they would average the results from several viewers for a specific
target to cancel out the biases of each viewer.
Anything in particular you would like for me to focus on?
meeting you, picking up something about your life,
or I can make a blanket request like "tell me something about
yourself."

-mike

Tom,

Thanks for the pic. Ok you look a lot more
like the Weird Science guy - Ilan Mitchell-Smith.
Good pictures of him here ... http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-11-08/screens_feature2.html
and here:
http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/weirdsciencecharacters.htm
I'll upload my pic too. I have dark hair, too, and duh, I part my hair
from my right.

So what do you think? Should I try again?

-mike

Tom,

Fortunately, right after posting that message, I went back to
bed and became lucid. I had a strong intent to visit you.
I didn't make it to a person at first. I saw this skyblue painted
multilevel office building and felt like I was in a large park.

I asked to visit your "room" And I approach a white painted
building with those "small square"-glass tiled windows.

I pass by this woman who I interpret as your mother. Long blonde
hair, short.

I saw the name "Paul" both in a message I imagined seeing
written from you to me, and later, on the bottom of my astral watch.

I finally encountered "you" at a darkened restaturant coming
out of the restroom. But "you" didn't look at all like the
picture I posted in the previous message! 5' 7" dark hair, parted
from the left like me, Rounded face. Now were talking the brunette
kid from "Weird Science" I asked this person to do some Reiki on me
just for fun. He poked his index finger right below my clavicle bone on
my left side (BTW, I have no idea how Reiki's actually done) I didn't
feel any energy surge. So I asked him to use both hands. Still
no feeling. But this woman who is watching, presumably his girlfriend
runs away like she's jealous. He calls out something like "Avila" to
find her. I move on to another scene that involves my mother.

Now putting these two visions together, the phasing one and the AP one, there's an obvious contradiction. And it may even look like hedging
on my part. But that's the experiment for me, which one is truer
to reality. I'll say that so far in my experience, AP's are colorful, rich with detail and sometimes way off the mark (sometimes they're right on). Phasing on the other hand, can provide precise dry details but it's easily clouded with my imagination, also. If I had to intuit, I'd say in this
case my AP was fun but I hit the wrong target since I didn't feel the expected energy surge.

-mike

Tom,

You said in your email that you wouldn't mind me posting details
I might pick up of a generic nature on this thread. What a great
way to show others that I'm just another flaky psychic-wanna be!  

Didn't AP this morning, but last night I picked up the following info during
a "phasing" exercise:

Two area names: "Springfield" "Woodridge"

My description of you: 6'9" (where did I get that from?),
pronounced chin, somewhat lanky, wavy
blonde short hair. "Comfortable" smile. I had an impression that looked
Mike McDonnell on MadTV. I also saw light brown slacks and a grey "tweed?" sport jacket.

I tried contacting your guide. Got a dark blue color. Made me a bit dizzy.

I need to try more. In the meantime, you can tell me things like "Way off!" or "You seemed to pick up something useful. Try again."

Since you said you were a Reiki healer, we could try a timed experiment
where I try to pick up your energy. I guess when some people pick up
energy from you, that must be a nice verification for both parties, besides
it's desired healing properties.

-mike

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Hi All,

   Just wanted to tell everyone that I've set up a website called http://www.mysticalexplorer.com regarding my personal explorations of the spiritual realm. I have set up a blog to document my experiences as they happen. Also, I will be sharing some of my journeys from the past.
    I offer two free online services for those who might be interested. First, I am conducting experiments on whether I can pick up information about volunteers through 1) communicating with their guidance using phasing and 2) using astral projection to enter their mental space. Second, I will be providing advice to anyone who is training to OBE or AP.  
 
-mike

For me, SSRI's are not a problem for OBE/LD. They actually slightly help.
I guess everyone is different.
-mike

Timing is everything. Just this week, in another forum, a group
of my spiritual travelling friends have gotten excited by the idea to meeting up in the spirit... to get some objective validations... not that any
of these people have any questions as to the overall validity of their
experiences and beliefs. I think the benefits of
 linking up of people in spirit are far more than validations. I'm thinking
there may be some interesting ideas and plans being crafted up by our higher-ups.
I like the idea of requesting "expanded awareness" Seems like a good
idea to find out who we're naturally connected to, amongst other effects.
-mike

jason,

 I certainly empathize with your situation. I wouldn't want to lose the special gift that I've been granted. It would almost be like losing 1 of the 5 senses.
I'm not a doctor, but I'm curious as to the particular type of meds you are taking to
control anxiety. Extended release tranquilizers like klonopin, I can
imagine could cause a problem. If you'd like  you can send me a PM regarding these details.
Worst case scenario, there's a few possible techniques that may help you recover dream lucidity. 1) You could re-learn lucid dreaming techniques. From the LD state you can OBE/AP without too much more skills 2) You could listen to some Hemi-Sync CD's - they tend to induce LD's for me even though they don't work while I'm listening to them. 3) There's a teacher I've learned about that provides energy work by telepathic request. When I ask for help from him, I achieve lucidity that night and the experience is super vivid.
-mike

jason,

I too take meds for anxiety/depression. SSRI's. Doesn't seem to effect my ability to become lucid which is my key to AP. Very thankful for that. Sometimes I find success has to do with how much sleep debt I have and how much stress is in my life. For me, stress is bad  and so is sleepiness   for AP's.  Hmmm. Before meds, were you able to project from waking consciousness or lucid dreams or both?

-mike

I OBE'd once while on an airplane. My astral body moved relative to my physical fortunately. What was interesting was that as I moved around I could hear other people's thoughts. An acquaintance I had made in the airport was a native Spanish speaker. When I floated past her I heard her voice (thoughts) speaking in Spanish.
Just a note when you do OBE with other people present in a room, don't go inside their heads to hear their thoughts. You can hear the thoughts from a few feet away. If you do go inside their heads, which I tried once... it's an extreme experience! ... you'll pick up their brain frequencies and goodness knows whatever other electrical stuff is going on.
-mike