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Hi Ivanda

As far as I know fear and other limitations are natural barriers to oobe. So it is better to take the long and hard way rather than the faster. Your body and mind need to get used to oobe step by step, no matter if this takes several years.

I think it is not a very good idea to ask any entity to help you get out of your body, you must learn this by yourself.    mmm when want to get in touch with anyone who has passed away I just get in deep meditation and feel and sense for my beloved ones, also it helps to my spiritual development.  Well that's what I think about this.

See you around.

BlaRose

I have a vision about that.    Karma is the natural law of the universe. In esoteric and spiritual schools there is a deep and interesting class that studies the Causes that generates certain Effects. They call this karma.

They say there is a Circle made by Rays of lights of different colors. At the starting point of the circle is the white and golden light which is the true spiritual understanding (law) , then the cycle goes by and this light turns into orange, red and black.

People takes into their own life this white and golden light (law concepts)  and make a living out of them creating a social structure, so this colors turn into practical things in every area of each person , turning into black, orange, red.

Once they have learned everything is possible out of this starting white and golden, the cycle goes by again and we step into a new level of white and golden.

You see, more Than a circle is a spiral shape, hard to see its beginning and its end.

to make this clear, there are 2 sides of the same coin; the higher spiritual concepts, and its application in "material" life, colored by devilish light if you want.

Studding karma is to observe which level of white and golden light is being managed, and which characterization (devilish colors) is taking place.

Of course the great deal is to contact higher levels of bright light and be able to turn it into matter.      .................I'm not sure if this is right but I think that satan or lucifer did that according to the Catholic bible.

I've always seen Kundalini as an energetic development thing. Last few weeks I started to see it as something more spiritual, but it didn't work either.

Now I'm discovering Kundalini as an Esoteric teaching and I think I'm getting some important approach to its understanding and implementation as part of my personal life.

Well, the first approach came to me in relation to the "magic wand" of old folklore and religious traditions.
I`ve found a link between  Parsifal's lance, the miraculous wand of Moses, the flowery want of Sn. John, the stuff of the Popes, Hermes and Mercurius caduceus, etc.  All this represents the "initiatic power" and the authority of the mage or esoteric king.

Kundalini is the magic wand of every being, individual, group of people, nations, etc.  It is the "source" of every virtue, spiritual powers and is the foundation of every authentic personal authority.

Thus, Kundalini is not Marrow-Spinal-Cerebrum, but is the whole nervous system that "Unify" through spinal cavities and vertebrae conjuctures....  

This make think that Kundalini is where is verified the harmonic collaboration between "chakras" (energetic centers) , meaning that vital principles (for that system) are turned into hormones, vitamins , etc.

So, in this case, the central nervous axis is the spinal column, and the liquid that's inside it is of great importance. In the old belief this liquid is called "liquid of life", because is more important than blood, it is the source and reserve, of those "primordial" elements that give life to chakras and energetic centers.

I hope you start to see the movement..... for this system.

 Of course, also you may call for someone in special at the astral real, this will hear you no matter where he is , and will come to you if is not busy in other tasks.  

            Try intaking some more energy too.





        Daidaluz

That of being naked made think about the tale of the serpent that said to the first innocents " lets walk around being naked to dress of shame the bodies of others".  ... or something like that...  

It is interesting sometimes to explore old tales.

I remember that of spirituality is like a seed that being planted in the fields of the wastes can give birth to strong trees that can become a forest and take over any city . ........ Of course it will need some time  

Thanks, guys. That is what I also was thinking-- just keep meditating and practicing. It will happen one day.

Letting go of fear and doubt..hmmm....if i only knew how!  

Almost forgot,  the most vulnerable stage is just about when you are up to get out from your physical body.  You will hear , and probably see at this point figures in the dark that will try to scare you;  just ignore them completely,   ..mmm try thinking some of this dark beings are like sensual and cute female waiting for you at the astral realm....
   Enjoy  

I think a lot of people has a very interesting knowledge to share about but fear does not let them manifest in their life.  

Tom , probably the main problem is not that the brain tends to understand what's being experienced in physical terms, it's probably because of the unknown  environment (and its motion) , it simply doesn't look familiar at all and generates the problem.

In treatise on oobbe it is said that during the first projection attempts is better to get out the body during day than during night, because of what you may find outside.

Hi Wisp

  Spirituality as always is on the poor side of town, be sure about that.  I've been looking for it , and i have Found It around the undesirables; well the main idea I  think is to give chances to those who don't have, giving understanding and some spiritual skills.

   Anyway, genuine spirituality today is a very small movement in town , and as you said, it could turn into a wrong thing because it could affect (along time) economics.  Well in India spirituality a very strong, and economics is so weak that of everybody is poor.

   You have gave me something to think about.

[M]

Hey Potential, looking at the way that " Masters " guide their chelas in the teachings of the "Tree of Life" , I've realized that they used the "regime" of FIRE (in other cultures it is called the regime of red clouds, or red moon). The reason for this is that own consciousness becomes one with fire and therefore enters into a higher state of being. Once this has happened it is a lot more easier to get Illumination to oneself as well as for others.   ...What you think about this?

Hi Stevedave, you're having a great chance to improve you psychic and spiritual abilities.

If others are angry towards you it is probably because your energies are somehow uncomfortable to others, it doesn't mean that are "bad" energies, just different.

Take this chance to learn , look close to other peoples attitudes and opinions upon you and find as many sides as you can find about the issue (probably as they do to you).
If you take one opinion and acknowledge all its implications you'll find many different chances to learn and become the center of your own reality.  Then you'll be able to take those opinions and attitudes to manifest and tell your own belief.      ...Just find people that share your own reality "level".

Is a great training to play in the edge of the "unrecoverable" , you'll know a lot better  other people , their way of living and the "alliances" they make to each other.

Traditionalist Native Americans don't see our way of life as better, as if we're giving them chances to be a part of some more advanced culture. Our way of life is in many ways backwards from theirs. They're closer to nature and the Earth and can sense and enjoy things we aren't familiar with. They don't need money, or TV, or computers, etc. They don't desire our technology.

A GLOBAL view at world civilization  through time lead us to the concept of CULTURE, but there are no more advance or better cultures ,  all of us have learned that by experiencing war , and there are those who still don't get it. The Nazis believed that their culture was better.  Through history you'll find more cases.

Beyond culture is a matter of concepts; many countries were highly influenced in its origins by Masonery (and its derivations) which introduced  concepts as intellectual development in which every time you "win" an argument you go up one step and earn money.    Some Muslims may see this as evil, some Indians may not want this , but the truth is that this is something necessary, up to a certain point , just because it's an important learning.

I think globalization is about those 13 points that runlola wrote; mmm also is about having more control over own emotional and mental ,  ... to make this of some importance, lets say that  those 13 point could be an initiatory process to step into another culture.

[Since few to none even do this any more, and spend all their government pensions on booze and gambling, I say take it all away]

Since few to none even do this any more, and spend all their government pensions on booze and gambling, I say take it all away.

What would be the psychological relationship between being naked vs earning money (gambling , etc.)?
To me  being naked means show yourself as you are,   not being afraid of personal limitations; in a way this helps to develop more self confidence and build up own reality.  
Gambling , and working for clothing and money just means covering the body, hiding all insecureness and giving a false sense of independence. Probably this people (and followers) spend long years living trapped by its own illusions.

I think the knowledge of the Tree of Life is a lot deeper than that. Sexual energy is NOT kundalini; and "the waters of life" is not about energy , is about Consciousness.  So , tree of life is about Spiritual Development and not energy body development.

God one Kodemaster, safe way to play,  some fun ,  and always earning a bit of money.

I don't think anything is wrong with gambling unless
you are cheating or you can't afford to do it.

By the way, I've heard that in the great leagues it is allowed to cheating as part of the game.  ¡¡¡ These guys must know remote viewing !!!  

[expanding self consciousness (evolution)]

If I were you, I wouldn't regard www.chaosmatrix.com with high standards. The entire website is based on a fictional item, the Necrominicon, from a book written by H. P. Lovecraft. The idea of chaos as a force of the universe to be evoked is valid, just not how they put it. If you want to start "chaos magic", I would suggest meditating upon the nature of chaos, how it connects to anything else, and build techniques upon this.

Well ,  magic (including chaos magic) , spiritual path, etc. are explained in a very specific symbolic language, the reason for this is to put in a safe place the keys of power.  You may still find the original thread in many "fictional" texts.

Lets see the process of expanding self consciousness (evolution) as a CIRCLE.  Lets say you are at the beginning of this process, what you see from the perspective of this point is all you have to accomplish yet (all experiences you have to learn and get control over ). All this energies you have to learn and control may be seen as Chaotic energies (think about this).

In the other hand, if you have already completed this Circle and are at the end of it (notice that the ending  point is the same than the starting point in This particular circle), you'll see all the experiences learned as energies you have control over, this energies are Bright Energies (dominion), and you can command them to have certain influences over your life, and over those who are still in any point of this process.

You see that the starting point is the same as ending point; the absolute black is the same as absolute white; absolute evil is the same as absolute good in the perspective of this CIRCLE.

Well this is the base knowledge of chaos magic and is the key to building control over life.

[quote="SpectralDragon
Well, from what I gather, it's pretty much mixing a bunch of ideas into your own personal blend. Kind of like making a cookbook out of occult ideas. Chaotic as that sounds (pun intented) It fits for the kind of person I am at least.[/quote]

I think is about levels of understanding.  What you understand by CHAOS???

That of looking closer at both sides of issues makes me think on gambling chances to win.  There are always two main forces interacting ( the chance to win , and the chance to loose) , the best way to learn controlling this forces is by learning to play poker (see interactions between players).
Now , to be able to controlling other games as roulette for example, we must be able to recognize this same forces but in a more subtle way. In every game you'll find this same two forces into play, but are hidden into levels of subtleness.    ... Lets say that to recognize them  we need to learn to astral project into this subtle "levels" and see them on action.  




pd: Can you see the "level" of this bet?

Hi everyone

 By the way, the science of knowing (and controlling) the Causes which generates certain effects is the "law of karma". Occultism talks about that.

As someone said , God does not play dices (or something like that) , ...well the ego wants to gambling, the Initiate (who has knowledge on the Real sciences) is a being of Cause, not of effect.

A.O.S (Austin Osman Spare) was the first one in publishing formal studies on subconscious mind (even before than Freud and Jung).

He states that mind is split into three "levels".

 Conscious mind (rational)  - Subconscious - Unconscious

-Conscious is our normal state of awareness, here everything passes through complex net of logical and rational structures.
-Subconscious is just a messenger that gives information to thee unconscious mind, and vice-versa.
-Unconscious is the mind that keeps everything functioning and working in a way that rational mind can't do (heart pumping, lungs breathing etc.)

You see, unconscious mind has the energy and resources to maintain things working for an undefined period of time.   Conscious mind cannot do that because of its rational structures that keep information (ideas, etc) in a , very extensive, logical motion.

AOS came up with a technique, called SIGILS, that consist in stating an idea and making it pass directly to the subconscious mind, avoiding conscious,  so the subconscious takes it to the unconscious to become real "as a magical procedure".

As you see, this can explain very well some techniques as modern hypnosis, and some old magic belief as shamanism and some others.

Being able to avoid conscious mind means working in trance state (see relations to gnosis).

  There is a lot of info about Austin Osman Spare, Sigils (and its "evolutions", servitors, egregores, god-forms).  You can download The Book of Pleasure from many "Chaos Magick" web pages.

Austin Osman Spare in his book "The Book of Pleasure" describes the theory of the Subconscious , He states that anything that passes to the subconscious mind avoiding the conscious , or rational, will manifest in real life.  Here is a relation to astral projection , you know that to experience oobe it is required to master trance state, which means entering in the subconscious mind realm.

I agree,  but moons aura is an effect made by the influence of "higher magnetic cosmic energies". So , if any one wants to work with the moon (changing the weather or etc) , first must be able to manipulate this higher magnetic energies.

[Green not as strong, then red]

Hey cool!
Green not as strong, then red. If I remember correctly. Am not familiar with any gold lions in alchemy, white perhaps. The substance of/for transformation into an enlightened being!

Wish I could help you! One thing though - I have read and heard from too many people about the possible detrimental effects of kundalini if done too fast, it being a pretty hefty thing indeed.

love and peace!!

Rob

I know that Black, White and RED are great regimes to cause transmutation not only in substances, but in consciousness too.


pd. That should work  

Sounds like moving energy using an object (or element) to make it go through.    I think this is very similar to intaking energy using R.B. technique.

[Changing the moons Aura? That would be a powerful individual indeed]

Take an Astronomy class.
Changing the moons Aura?  That would be a powerful individual indeed!

Moons aura changes by its own, knowing which "cosmic" factors exert pressure over it would be great for any astronomy class.