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ROB Monroe says this and he says that. Ol robby boy also writes a book and prolly makes a lot of money off this too. 6 hours is nothing compared to a dream. [] if you ask me ive been telling you all my proof so lets hear what your proof is, stop using robbie as an example aand tell me your oobe experence that is so differnt then a dream. Can you die in a dream can you die in a oobe, do you return to the physical state in both realms? Are both realms achieved by a unconsious state? I can keep going on how dreams and oobes are the same can you tell me why they are different? besides one takes more awarness to achieve then the other? []

Can you guys give me any facts or proofs that a oobe isnt a dream? instead of the talk thing. I can easily talk to people in a dream that seems just as real as a oobe. Maybe even more real then in the phyisical realm. And in a dream and oobe you feel. Most important similarty is fear. We fear in dreams such as we do in a oobe.

how come we last longer in a dream then in a oobe?? its cause the dream is just a eaiser way to oobe. we lose energy in a oobe is because we dream it and before we dream it we use up so much energy going into a fantasy world which really is the stick way of going into a dream. Face it guys i have more proof that a oobe is a dream then it isnt a dream.

Ive experenced both. thought i never talk to any one in the ap, like i said there is no difference the only differnce in a oobe is that you see your self going through the dream instead of it happening automatically. Once you control the dream and the around setencing then everything is  clear and real to you.

i meet people in a dream to and say to my self damn i wish i could meet them again. If you control your dream you will see lil to no difference between that and a OOBe.

Im not saying iam right and im not saying the others are wrong. Robert and the rest of the guys dont have a clue of what the spirit realm is. They are just making guesses of what it can be. ALso why is it we have to be relaxed almost in a sleep like state to tap into the spirit realm. If they wernt dreams, we could command are spirits to do it when ever we want. I mean last time i checked it is my spirit. Why must my physical form must be lost first. I give credit to robert and the rest of the crew to try to come up with what i  call theories on what the spirital realm is. THus every one is intitled to their own opionion. My opionion is that a oobe is a more controlled dream. They say in a oobe you can fly into another room in your house see a shoe on the window seal go back to the physical world and see the same shoe there.

But yet in the dream realm i can see something happening in the dream in which it happens exactly in the future. Even if oobes and dreams are different. There is a link there connecting both of them and that link is being completly over looked by robert and the others.

The point of the spirit realm is to have fun and relax, already you guys are trying to bring complcated shiznat in what is suppose to be away to expcape the harshness of reallife.

What you are feeling is just a feeling of heaven. But never truly been there. Sex is a great feeling of happyness but once its over you gotta go back to the harsh realm of reality. Heaven is never having to go back to realitiy. Wile going to heaven and feeling heaven ar two different worlds.

Here is my proof of why oobe could possible be a more controlled dream. What is a dream?? does any one really know? Can you or any one here tell me a dream is the real spiritual realm? When we dream and sleep we get energy better then if we have a oobe because in a oobe we use are real life energy to make the oobe happen, so in a dream we dont use any energy we just do it our selves so we lose consiousness of what  is really happening to our bodies. So in other words, Your body is like a car. It can be drivin like a stick or a automatic. When we have a "oobe" we are making our bodies have dreams using it as a we use a stick in a car making us have more awareness of what happpens during the process of developing a dream.

Now in a automatic dream state, we just go to sleep close our eyes and lose consiousness. During the process of dreaming do we know if are phyisical bodies are paralized or vibrating no we dont know because we are not aware in this matter. WHo are we in a dream and who are we in a oobe. In a dream i cant be controlling my phyisical body i must be controlling a spirit or such. in a oobe im doing the same thing. So all this research makes me beleve all a oobe is more of a controlled dream. How can you prove its not?

Logic if i ever see you in the spirit realm ill be giving you a one way ticket back to the spirit realm with my weapon the blitz of mana.

I dont beleve in reincarnation. Nothing can be cruel enough to make us walk the plains of earth the second time around or who knows maybe the human is the last of reincarnation. you can not create heaven or bliss or even hell on earth. Its just not possible, even if we can tap into a oobe we still wont reach true heaven. Heaven is when you dont have no problems even in physical form even when you do bliss or do your mind thing you will have to tap out eventually and continue in reality. Heaven is where you never tap out of true happiness.

i live with my parents and no im not one of those 40 yr olds, iam 18. Yes after a oobe i feel like iam being monitored. I beleve we are tapping into something we should be doing. OObes are not suppose to be practiced.

So whats the worth of even aping i rather wait till i die to go to heaven. If nothings real in the Spectral realm why go there??

Its not hard at all to project i find making penut butter and jelly harder then aping. Acctually making a penut butter and jelly stain sandwhich is hard... But all you gotta do is lay in bed dont think of your body and pretend birds are slowly pulling your spirit body out with ropes, keep thinking about it soon youll start to vibrate , ignore it and keep consintrating on the birds, youll be paralized, you will either see scary stuff or hear stuff. Ignore it because negitives are just jealous you are a projector and they want to harm you but they cant because you are jus to pimpin keep watching the imaginary birds pulling your body and remember the whole time from the begining keep telling your self how cool this is. Soon you should be out of your body if you did everything right, afteryou ap think of the destination you want to go. Warning though if you are horny do not have sex in the astral realm at ALL. scuccabus lurk there all the time or you can get a entity pregnant. Use spirital protection!.

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So what your saying is everything  i make , feel , create , every one i talk to is just one big illusion in the spirit world?

First off how can i harm some one in the spirit realm. Im talking about play fighting and such like you know when you did when you were young or such take swords you buy at toys R us and play with them. I take a fire Sword and cut your head off in the spirit realm do you think ima hard or kill you?? you cant die if your already dead.

Also you say iam just hurting another spirit would be just like hurting my self?? um no if i hurt some one in the physical world do i hurt my self no. We are all different beings even in the After life. The spirit world is just like the Regular world accept we are more free to express our selves in the spirit realm. expressing in the terms of having fun, when i say i want to wage war and such in AP island i mean have fun like in rpgs. We live a life of strife and hardships in the real world, once we get to the spirit world i want nothing but fun and spanks.

Thats just it the astral realm is not the illusion but the physical world is. The phyisical world is the duplicate of the Real world ( spirit world) say if you clone someone you would need the original person to clone the dupe. The spirit world was first so we are really living in real life Vr world.

And what the hell is exactly in the pyrimid its self?? something must be in it the admins wont tell us because why have a pyrmid in the middle of a island makes no sence?? When i projected there before monsters and entities were gaurding something in it, they were very strong i aproached the hooded one and i slashed it with my fury buster sword magic move and then it opened its hand and hit me with this gust thing and blew me right back into my physical form.

Boats and every one else on this board listen up when i have my Ap i will be destroying AP island and i shall bring my armie of enities with me so you better prepare you swords and such cause AP ISLAND IS MINE FOR THE TAKING!!!

Yes iam 18 and i have been having paralize states since you guys could even get close toa paralization just joking lol but thats all i can do is stay in a paralize state i did move my hand once because i did think about moving the cd that was next to me. maybe one day ill try to move but i find being paralized much more fun then the oobe its self.

when you say iam confusing the brain with the mind i dont get what your saying? also the brain / or mind is the key tool to tap into the spirit realm so iam saying after we die do we or dont we go to the spirit realm as we do in a oobe wouldnt that just boot out everything religion taught us??

Wow i just expressed my oppionion on a VIDEO GAME, and why out of all the games would you make a realm on final fantasy?? The game gets boring if you play through it again after you beat it.

Final fantasy or final fagasy is gay. sorry for langauge but im down right mad. FF was the worst game ever if i wanted to reinact a fantasy world i would do resident evil. imagine blasting zombies and other monsters away with other spirits and knowing the zombies cant hurt you =()