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#51
alpha

I used to get nightmares when I watched horror movies at night. I suspect that you have read too much on 'negs' and are reacting to that rather than what is really happening. Negs exist, but mostly they exist in our heads.

Maybe you need to let go of the negativity surrounding astral travel and focus on the excellent positive experiences and entities that exist there, 'focus on the light and all you will see is light'. Stop reading about negs and it might go away.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#52
alpha

I used to get nightmares when I watched horror movies at night. I suspect that you have read too much on 'negs' and are reacting to that rather than what is really happening. Negs exist, but mostly they exist in our heads.

Maybe you need to let go of the negativity surrounding astral travel and focus on the excellent positive experiences and entities that exist there, 'focus on the light and all you will see is light'. Stop reading about negs and it might go away.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#53
Bitsmart

oh so right bitsmart, karrot, steveb and Tish, it sure is frustrating at the beginning, in fact it stays like that for ages.

Like Frank says, try relaxing down from the head to the feet, it is a better method than the other way around. The bit about the pathway to the brain was something I too got in a meditation a few years back and it opened me up heaps.

As Frank says, there is a part of the midbrain that is atuned to the astral. By relaxing this you will enter deeper states of trance, and further. So what I do is much like Frank, relax the midbrain, I also breath chi through it oo, it speeds things up.

If I am tired I will also relax the forebrain, the front part of the brain which induces astral sight, the third eye.

It took me 13 years to be able to do this consciously so 15 months and 5 years ain't too bad. Good luck, and just keep meditating, but don't push too hard, it stops you relaxing where it is needed most, in your head.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#54
Welcome to Astral Chat! / How many?
June 16, 2002, 17:32:22
Tisha

I like your post, in my work I see a few psychics, and their biggest problem is not dodging psi investiagtors but in getting their crappy psychotic life together, relationships. In fact relationships is far more damaging than any shoot me up MIB. As for being traced and hounded, it is the market researchers that do that, as Tisha says. But then, I might be wrong too.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#55
antagonist

and he is your friend? does he want your energy? like a vampire?

I think that Tom was quite correct, it can be done, but you have to be darn good at it, not just a would-be-if-could-be type. Most people bullsh_t themselves, and others, that they are like Buffy, and can do magical things. They generally are the ones who can't.

Energy sucking is an artform, mostly used in tantra, with a partner, with the consent of the other, and then it is a shared experience, you give some you take some.

Your friend sounds as if he should go back to the basics of metaphysics, 'don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself'.

Good luck with him/her.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#56
Adiraz

maybe you are in too much of a hurry to get out there.

I spoke to a schizophrenic sufferer once who said that his friends did everything to get out there, to get off their faces. He spent all his time trying to get in and stay in.

So, my friend, don't push so hard, it just leads to frustration, dead ends and hospital wards. If you really want to astral travel, learn to relax, down and down, unconsciously as well as consciously.

Most people astral travel after they have fallen asleep. To do it consciously is a lifetime thing, not many can do it. So my best advice if you wish to keep your sanity is to keep meditating.

Astralc


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#57
Mousy

I always consider the Spleen chakra to be at the base of the ribs, just below the sternum, which is adjacent to the spleen itself.

The navel chakra, or sacrum chakra is at the navel and is also the Hara of karate and Tan Tien of Kung Fu.

The Bade chakra, for me, is at the perenium, between the scrotum and the penis, for a woman it is the G-Spot. It is also associated with the soles of the feet and coxxys too. It just depends which system you adhere to I suppose.

To warm them up, I put my hands on them. It works quite well. Spleen chakra is also good for breathing through, imagine that you can draw breath in and out of the chakra itself, takes a lot of practice. When it wakens it feels like a shiver running through it.

For the base chakra you can hold your testicles and warm them up first, it helps relax the base chakra. Then again breath in and out through it. This is standard taoist tantra stuff, so don't worry that it comes from some new age freak.

Good luck and let me know how it goes. Don't expect results immediately, it takes dedication and practice.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#58
Monicat777

I agree with you :-)

Although I would not really ask that everyone stay away from drugs, as a psychologist I try to put the pieces back together in those humpty dumpties that fall off their wall.

Addiction is ugly, as is psychosis, there is nothing worse than seeing someone experiencing a psychotic episode, it turns the stomack and shrivels the guts, it makes you cry inside to see someone in such great fear.

I worked in a unit for the worst cases, fortunately for only a short month or two, and it made me think, lots. I see kids now, school kids who have turned to dope and do it for breaky and lunch and dinner. Within two years they are headed for psychosis, it is not nice to watch, advise and help, but to see them slide down further and further away from life.

I have tried a few things and I must say that my 20 odd years doing taoist meditations I don't need it, I can drop out of reality with a few breaths, bliss. My best advice is: if you really want the real thing you just have to work for it.

The microwave generation want instant enlightenment, it doesn't work like that. God doesn't give guns to children, you have to have responsibility and maturity to earn that right.

This forum is great for airing issues and interests like this, but today i am on a downer. I had to address our school memorial service for a student who suicided in the school toilet block last year, shotgun to the heart. I spent the past 12 months trying to help his friends come to terms with it, the worst part was having to tell his best friend that his mate was dead, that hurt. So, if I am a bit dreary, please understand.

Last word, don't get so down that drugs are the only thing that picks you back up.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#59
ninthplanet

it is people like yourself who make the difference, you are congratulated for your courage to question the orthodox beliefs of your community, good luck.

steveb

I dream of wondering the top end in a motor home, half his luck!

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#60
cainam_nazier


Its called the alpha omega meditation.

ahh the joy of it all, glad you found it so neato. This is probably my favourite method of OOB, I create a ball of light at the soles of my feet, then the same just above my head. Then I join them up into a big cocoon around me, very safe feeling. Next I start to pump the chi, by breathing out hrough my head, the crown chakra, and keep doing this until I either leave my body or drop into a lucid dream state, or fall into a very very deep sleep.

Keep doing, with practivce it is a safe and foolproof method, but if you start to get spin outs during the day you might have to back off for a while.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#61
Ides315

So you were in a coven, huh, now we start to get the picture, maybe you are absolutely right about your storm experience being created by the force of the scorned mad lady and her coven.

Most people lack the determination or stamina to do anything for very long. For instance to astral travel requires a hell of a lot of determined effort for a very long time. Not many people can sustain that effort and so become 'would be's if they could be'.

But mad people, and I know a few, have the drive, the manic touch, to go and do stupid things like you just described. So, in defense of your argument weather control is a real possibility. In defense of my statement, proof still requires independant witnesses.

I wish you luck in your endeavour to dispatch these man-made dark forces, just don't do anything stupid yourself, they are not worth it. I would like to know why you got involved with them in the first place, you sound like quite a normal person.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#62
ninthplanet

I think that there are so many members from Australia on the forum because Robert is Aussie, and yes, I believe that we are also very open to spiritual things.

Unlike America were we not founded by a religious order like the Puritans, we were not the long sought mecca for all the refugees in Europe who travelled to America to escape religious persecution in their own countries. We don't have 'bible belts' or religious leaders on street corners. We don't have the 'Hour of Power' TV shows, evangelists or Jimmy Swaggart.

Our Australian forefathers were convicts, prisoners, and as such they may have felt betrayed by their religion, the Christian God didn't save them from 14 years imprisonment on a wild unknown island 10 000 miles from their loved ones. So I suppose we are pretty skeptical of religion down here.

Steveb

your story sounds pretty interesting, are you curious what else he has to say? Your uncle must have had some interesting experiences himself, I just hope he doesn't try to convince you to avoid what you are doing, that would stress the friendship somewhat. Good luck with him.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#63
Kakkarot

I play around with energy balls and stuff, and with the balls of light at the ends of my body. Expanding and contracting energy is part of learning about what we are capable of doing. Is this what you are talking about?

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#64
Tyronne

I admire a man who stands by his words, but you've got some stiff opposition.

The problem is that no-one can either prove or disprove their position, so we simply have opinions. Does anyone have proof? either side?

My head says yes, we can change the weather, but my heart says no, that is an ego issue... what is the answer...

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#65
cainam_nazier

most of my experiences begin with a dream, I wake up in the dream and then let out a "whoop!" and start flying or doing things. Sometimes, not often, I will do something similar to what you have described, I wake up in the dream, then drift back into a dream state, neither awake in the dream, lucid, nor still dreaming, but a collusion of both. I am not sure if that is what you have described though... ?? do you man an OOB but dreaming that you are OOB?

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#66
ninthplanet

yeah, I guess that the bottom line is just how much integrity and credibility they have with the rest of the world. If they preach that their path is the only path, then they are no different to many religious cults. It is dangerous to listen with 'unprotected' ears, a good strong dose of skepticism and doubt is necessary in this 'new age', the 'naive age' I call it.

8 years at university shot my belief systems to pieces, and I had to rebuild from my own personal experiences. If I experienced it myself then I believed it, otherwise it goes on the shelf until proven.

So now I ask, "What is in it for them to make such claims?" then I sit down and ponder. So much bull sh_t is flying out there that one can cop a piece in the face if one is not too careful. Good luck with dodging the flying crap.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#67
kakkarot

I do believe that you just might be able to do that my friend! :-P

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#68
ninthplanet

I have a friend who is into Falun Gong, she really believes in it. But I am not so sure myself, people believe some pretty stupid things. As for David Copperfield, he is an illusionist for sure, but to think that he really walked through the Wall of China, walked on the Dead Sea or brought the living back to life might just be stretching the imagination somewhat.

When someone in a position of authority makes a statement it soon enters the world as 'fact', people believe because they don't want to be rejected. Human beings are social creatures and we seek acceptance and belonging, maybe Falun Gong supporters just say they believe so that they don't get rejected?

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#69
Donni_Joy

I like Michael's post, maybe all that we will ever have is experience.

We believe that we exist for the experience we have of it, those who OOB have their experience as well. Thus how do you 'prove' either exists without an outside reference point?

Maybe we just have to believe our own experience and leave the arguments that arise to the lawyers, politicians and philosophers, the eggheads who have a vested interest in argument.

In short, I don't care, I just know what I know and have 'been there and done that' and now I just talk to those who want to listen. As Jesus said, 'don't cast your pearls before swine', they just don't appreciate it.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#70
All

I know a few occultists in Australia, have had a few work with me, and I must say that most of them are MAD. Some are not, but many end up broken alcoholics or drugs heads. Is it there before they started out on that path or did the path break them?

On the snow bit, can smoeone send some down here in Aussie?

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#71
sorry guys, hit the bloody button twice!
Astalc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#72
cainam_nazier, Salubri, Genade01 & others

sounds like a concensus on out of body chakras. I use the two described just: below the soles of the feet and just above the crown of the head. It is my basic meditation to open these guys up and let the chi flow around me like a cocoon. Safe and secure and nothing nasty ever gets in either.

I also use my hands, let them radiate too. It all makes for a safe haven to do further astral work.

I imagine there are other energy centres but so far am comfortable with the two I use now. Does anyone know of energy centres beyond the top of the head? Say, 2 to 3 feet above? Taoists say the dream body is created above the material body, maybe that is what I feel up there.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#73
cainam_nazier, Salubri & others

sounds like a concensus on out of body chakras. I use the two described just: below the soles of the feet and just above the crown of the head. It is my basic meditation to open these guys up and let the chi flow around me like a cocoon. Safe and secure and nothing nasty ever gets in either.

I also use my hands, let them radiate too. It all makes for a safe haven to do further astral work.

I imagine there are other energy centres but so far am comfortable with the two I use now. Does anyone know of energy centres beyond the top of the head? Say, 2 to 3 feet above? Taoists say the dream body is created above the material body, maybe that is what I feel up there.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#74
Grenade01

that kundalini stuff is sure powerful isn't it. Funnily enough, the night after my last post after thinking about exactly what really happens to me when it rushes through my body, I had a dream and ...

I was dreaming that my wife was driving along a bush track, my two boys were with us in the back of the 4 Wheel drive, when, she drove over a cliff! I didn't say "bloody women driver!", but it was frightening!

It all went black, I mean pitch black (never remember this bit before), and as we fell, and fell and fell, it went on forever, I realised we would die. When that thought entered my head I stoppped being scared and grabbed the kids and my wife to me and told them not to be frightened. But we kept falling and falling, it felt strangely nice, even though we were falling to our deaths.

Just then I woke up, some dogs outside were fighting. I woke up right in the middle of leaving my body, so I was able, for the first time ever, to analyse the process I use to OOB.

I could feel the kundalini really strong in my feet, up my leags and into my torso, then it was like a fire hose rushing out the top of my head. It was buzzing and slightly vibrating. And again, itchy all over my legs and thighs, very annoying. But I was fascinated, I had never been awake when I left my body like this before, not right in the middle of it.

Nearly all my OOB and astral travel experiences have been when I had fallen asleep, even in meditation, I rarely leave my body unless I am so deep that I am unaware of the actual leaving bit.

Thought I would share this with you.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."
#75
kakkarot

I can't say that I have a lot of experience with MPD or DPD, but your inner struggle ain't all that strange, it does happen with others, not many, but some. I believe that they are also afraid to tell anyone about it. I think that your story is best told just the way you are doing it, from the heart and in slow pieces.

Can I give you a book title and author which describs a smiilar story, I hope it isn't too distressing for you, 'cause it is real.

First Person Plural, my life as a multiple - by Cameron West

As I said before I have not worked with many people with multiple personalities, but what has helped is someone to listen, so keep going mate.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."