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Hi there
Nita, if you are a christian (it would appear so) then how come you are involved with the occult?
Demons don't want you to come to them for everything, they would encourage hard work and effort. They don't want to have to run after just anyone's request especially if they don't know you.
Imagine if you were a being far more powerful then any human being and someone gives you a call. You've been cursed and they use this against you by using the names of the enemy gods who cursed you. They demand something from you and make a 'pact' with you. Would you react positivley? No. If you treat them like this, then you will get what you give in return, that is justice. You can't expect to treat anyone badly and have them just let you walk all over them.
The Goetic Demons are no longer under this curse. They now appear in their true form and are their true selves. If you summon them by drawing a protective pentagram on the floor and use magical weapons and enemy god names to insult and abuse them then there's nothing stopping them from breaking down the barrier and killing you. Now, from what I've heard of people treating them disrespectfully they don't kill just for this. This wouldn't neccesarily be the most honourable thing to do. They will do something about it though and it won't be nice. Of the cases I've heard of though, the disrespectful treatment was things like summoning them just for fun or a joke on halloween. This is only inviting disaster.
Since there is no curse on them they don't have to appear to anybody. They will come if they want to. In the aforementioned case the Demon probably came to deal with the individuals.
If you beleive that summoning demons is nothing more then calling up archetypes and thoughtforms, then there is a good chance you will get what you want. You won't call up Demons at all, but archetypes and thoughtforms (Demons are not this).
Demons don't want to be summoned by Right Hand Path magicians!
They are there to help people from the Left Hand Path if they want to.
Unless they are busy or for some reason cannot show, they will basically always respond to a Dedicated Satanist (A Satanist who has done a Dedication Ritual) if they are called upon. And a Dedicated Satanist DOES NOT use enemy god names, magical weapons, protective pentagrams and circles and they do not use pacts.

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Well like you said, its your personal veiw. You are stating everything from your personal veiw. You are saying 'I can't understand why dark magicians praise the ego/lower self' because after death it all fades away on the astral and we have to return to the source or whatever. But you are treating this as though it is the complete and absolute truth and that everyone knows about it. You should beleive everything you read in a New Age book. Just this comment in itself 'ego/lower self' why does the ego have to be the lower self? I hope you understand that modern spiritualism/New Age is a religion just like christianity, judaism and islam and is no different in that it is full of dogma and behaves like it is the complete and absolute truth.

Aliester Crowley wasn't a Satanist.  

It is why Satan is called adversary some people are more suited to his path. It is the path of the individual. The ones who are out for themselves and believe their personal power is all important. The ones suited to God or the All are working to join a unity where they will be joined together with everyone else working for the betterment of the human existence.They are a conduit of God and do things for the greater good. It is the difference between white and black magic. Contrary to popular belief. One source for this information is A treatise on White Magic by Alice Bailey. She is long winded but a worth while read as she has many gems of knowledge in her book.
The goetia is a dangerous book especially for newcomers with out any control. Demons do what they want if they feel they can get away with it. The reason for this is their adversary position again.

Demons don't do what they want if they feel they can get away with it. Honour and ethics are very important to them. They are also very proud.
SATAN is a hebrew word which literally means Adversary. Satan is the adversary to the judea-christian 'god' yahweh/jehova and the angels. He is the adversary to enemy gods. The hebrews come from Egypt. In Egypt, SATA-N means 'snake' or 'serpent'. The snake or the serpent represented the egyptian God Ptah who was the sumerian God Enki. The garden of eden is taken from sumerian myth, its actually a literal place, in mesopatomia. It no longer exists anymore, as far as I know. In this place it is said in Sumerian myth Enki (represented by the serpent) advanced human beings, he gave them knowledge. His work was not finished.

Remember, Lucifer told Adam (Adappa) and Eve that if they ate from the fruit, they wouldn't die like yahweh said. They didn't die. Yahweh was a liar. For this, yahweh cast them away from the garden of eden. Never has there been a war fought in the name of Satan. Satan is meant to be a liar, betray and murderer. Yahweh fits the criteria for all three in his holy books. Satan doesn't.

The goetia is dangerous if you are an idiot. Sadly, that is the case for most people here.
Look nita, if you have never had any experience with the goetia and goetic demons which is obvious, then you really can make no valid comments on it.
Just remember one thing: The demons are no longer bound or cursed. They are GODS. They have been freed from the wretched curses of the revolting parasite YAHWEH so mistreat them and you are inviting DISASTER and this is rightfully so because people who abuse spirits especially GODS deserve to be punished.
My recommendations to everyone is not to swallow the bovine excrement new age dogma or anything like that. Spiritual pipe dreams and pseudo-intellectualism are nothing compared to true experience. Don't listen to what anyone else says unless you are absolutely sure that is the truth, this is most easily determinable by your own experience.

A carpenter from 2000 years ago most certainly could not by any means travel to india and all around the world. There is no jesus, not even historical jesus, just a few historical people slightly like him which the myth of jesus has been built from and also many many male godmen/supermen/saviors of pagan religions and other religions which predate christianity.

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It means 'bearer of light' I beleive or something to that effect and its a roman translation of....I'm assuming hebrew, one language or another that was an early biblial language, they called him the light bearer and lucifer means this in the latin or roman language.
Satan is a hebrew word meaning adversary yes, but the hebrews came out of egypt and in egyptian Sata-n means serpent in egyptian.

Learn about yourself and be true to yourself, learn to love and understand mankind, learn to forgive, learn to be honest with your thoughts, keep a clean mind in everything you do and most of all be thankful that you can live another day to provide healing to this much needed World of ours. We need to heal our Earth and to provide for future generations better understanding of our Home.
One more thing and I found this the hard way, once you learn to direct energy this way please be careful for what you wish for and I mean it. Even the little wishes come true but if it were in a negative way watch out because nature has a way of reclaiming granted wishes and it's not nice. Kinda like the witches 3 fold rule.
Best of Luck and please remember to use your Magick to help others and not yourself.

Meh, most of that is not neccesary at all for magick. I'd say its good to be able to understand yourself first but it certainly defeats the purpose of magick if you never use it for yourself. From my own experience there is no three fold law, provided perhaps, that you implemen common sense (cleansing yourself after performing a negative spell). Alot of my magickal or psychic workings have been negative and I haven't really faced retributions. Not all of it was on purpose, some of it was completely by accident or not fully intended. For example, really hating someone and then something bad happens to someone or not really hating someone at all but having a day dream where they get hurt. Other times I did it purposefully for vengeance and justice.

Hand of Ganesha, a christian fallen angel is completely different to an asura of buddhism, 'demon' was a name given to christian fallen angels in the greek translation.
Mara of 6th heaven is not a positive being and is completely unlike the christian angels. Asuras and Devas are not even literal entities anyway.

Satanist and Sorcerer/Magician

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Saints,
I began my work is Ars Magica in 1959. I was, like most people my age, too stupid to listen to the guidance of others. We obtained materials from Israel Regardie (things he had typed for Crowley) and we had Abramelin etc. We strutteed about conjuring this and that.....and one night we got what we asked for.
One of the members is still mentally, severely damaged. One went into drugs and is still a psychotic drug user. One became a child molester.
Two of us walked out in one piece.
The nearest thing to advice I will ever offer is this. Have the intelligence to work within an esoteric order that has been around say 20-25 years as a minumum.
Radha

A guide to what you DON'T do when conjuring a spirit:

Draw up a protective pentagram on the floor, sprinkle salt around the pentagram. Pick up an athame/sword of other magickal weapon, have a crucifex or holy bible near by. Summon your spirit....'OH MIGHT SPIRIT (insert name here) AS YOUR ARE BOUND BY THE HOLY SPIRIT I SUMMON YOU IN THE NAME OF JEHOVA AND STAND READY TO GOAD AND PUNISH YOU IF YOU REFUSE TO DO MY BIDDING OR ATTEMPT TO LEAVE, NOW SHOW, FILFTHY SPIRIT!!! IN THE NAME OF JEHOVA!!!'

Radha, is this what you did? That is a guide to get yourself royally f--ked in spirit evocation/invocation.
DO NOT use enemy god names, 'the holy spirit', 'jesus' or 'jehova'.
DO NOT draw a protective pentagram on the floor or use anything like salt sprinkled in a protective circle on the floor, this is insulting.
DO NOT use a magickal weapon or have one anywhere near the area of conjuration! Do not abuse the spirit in anyway! treat it with upmost respect and don't talk to it disrespectfully and demand that it do your 'bidding'.
Greet it respecfully! With the appropriate greeting, example 'Good Evening' and then the full and respectful name of the spirit (eg: Good Evening/Morning/Afternoon, Ashtaroth').
Ask if they are well, if they are busy at all. If they are busy, apologize for any inconveniance and tell them that if they want to leave then they can by all means. It's good to get to know the spirit first! When you want to contact it summon it formally for the first few times. DO NOT USE LESSER OR GREATER KEY OF SOLOMON METHODS, THEY INCLUDE ALL OF THE AFOREMENTION NO-NO's.
It is a good idea to get to know the spirit first after the first few formal summonings you can contact it by ouija board or pendulum if you wish. DO NOT JUST MAKE FREINDS WITH THE SPIRIT TO USE IT. It knows what is in your heart. DON'T USE ANYBODY. When both you and the spirit feel comfortable with asking for a favour if you want to ask for a favour, then say, 'I was wondering if you would please do my a favour if that is not too much trouble?'. Be prepared to offer it something in return. DO NOT MAKE 'PACTS'. You are asking for a favour and offering a token of appreciation, something in return. And this can be publicity, an artistic impression, poetry, writing, or a service both you and the spirit can agree on.
DO NOT SAY ANYTHING LIKE 'THE LORDS PRAYER' BEFORE CONJURATION AND DO NOT ASK ANY PROTECTION FROM ANGELS, 'GOD', OR 'JESUS'. Obviously this applies if you are summoning a goetic spirit. DO NOT GIVE IT A LICENCE TO LEAVE. This is insulting. Allow it to leave whenever it wishes.
Abuse a spirit and treat it with disrespect and it has EVERY RIGHT to lash out, fight back and punish you. Don't be stupid. Don't be ignorant. Don't be rude. Don't be disrespectful.
Thank you.

'While cults devoted to new age mysticism or white light magic and spirituality have had some success among those seeking for "something, ... anything spiritual", due principally to Christianity's impoverishment of the ego and starvation of the intellect, they are ultimately no more relevant to today's society than the religions of the past. The world is searching for a religion which embraces the scientific knowledge of today, recognizes the psychological nature of man, and perceives the potential of man to achieve far more than he has already, while holding to ethical beliefs and values held by society today, and possessing a willingness to change those values and beliefs in accordance with future changes in society. Despite some individuals who see in Satanism nothing more than anti-Christianity, a depraved religion of blasphemism or an expression for anti-social desires and impulses, the emphasis of Satanism on the ego and the intellect and its recognition of man's ultimate potential has made it the one religion relevant in today's society.
But to return to the question at hand, what is the true nature of God? If, by God, one is referring not to a specific deity man has devised but to a controlling force or intellect within the universe, then it is clear to me that God, like the universe and everything within the universe, is in a continuous state of change and evolution. What I am suggesting is that God, like matter, energy, or consciousness, is "dynamic" not "static". Descartes said, "I think therefore I am," but is this really true? In that which I perceive as my "mind" there is a continuous stream of thoughts which flows through me like a river. But am I my thoughts or am I the thing in which my thoughts manifest? Is the river the water which fills the river, or is the river the rock and dirt over which the water flows? Or is "river" simply a name I have given to that which I perceive from the visual image of water moving over rock and dirt? And yet, a river from one moment to the next is not the same river, for the water in the river is not composed of the same water particles, and a man is not the same from one moment to the next, since his thoughts and impressions change with each passing moment.
If a man thinks for a moment that he has achieved enlightenment and understanding, the pool of thought he calls consciousness stagnates and, as a cess-pool, breeds worms and stenches like a swamp. The science of today is the superstition of tomorrow and the genius of today the know-nothing of tomorrow, for as the universe evolves towards ever greater levels of consciousness the very concept of truth, enlightenment, or wisdom changes with it. I AM not, but am becoming. The universe IS not, but is becoming. And if I, who possess consciousness, am becoming, then the consciousness which guides and/or controls the universe, from which my consciousness has its source, must also be becoming. The dialectic method of thesis/anti-thesis and synthesis is the process by which the universal dynamic evolves. I am not my flesh nor my blood. I am not my brain nor my body. In realizing that the "I AM" of my being is pure consciousness, I realize that I am God; I am the universe made manifest. And that which I call Lucifer, the embodiment of wisdom and enlightenment, is also changing, is also becoming. It is within me, it flows through me, it is what the "I AM" of my being is. I am Lucifer. I am Satan.
There is one thing common to all gods man has created. Every man-made god is static and unchanging. Yahweh resides in heaven, unchanging, unbending, the creator of the universe and all that it contains. Christ sits at the right hand of God ready to judge the living and the dead. Zeus resides in Mount Olympus holding aloft the lightning bolt, his symbol of divine power. The values of society and the structure of its institutions are defined as "good." That which threatens society is defined as "evil." The definitions of good or evil change from nation to nation and from century to century. God is defined by that which is "static" and unchanging. That which is "dynamic", a potential threat to the status-quo such as war, revolution, political unrest, or social upheaval, is represented by the Devil. But, if the universe is dynamic not static and consciousness is NOT but is becoming then the devil, Satan, more accurately reflects the true nature of God than Christ, Yahweh, or any other image of God which man has defined.
The Sumerians believed the Dragon of Chaos, Tiamat, to be the mother of the gods. The gods brought order to Chaos, but they were themselves the children of Chaos and subject to its laws and conditions. The devil was not originally a "rebel" against the order of creation but, the beginning and the end, the source of all creation. "The dragon sleeps," we are told in the texts of old, "but shall awaken." In the alchemical treatise, the Kybalion, it is said that "the All is Mind" and "the Universe is Mental." The modern physicist, in accordance with this principle of alchemy that matter and energy are mental phenomena and that "everything vibrates", has stated that the electrons and protons within the atom are composed of waves with various charges and rates of vibration. The Universe is not, but is BECOMING! God is not, but is BECOMING! When Lucifer has risen, when man has become God, then it shall be known that the Aeon of Lucifer has begun.'

Tsirk Susej

Hi,
I want to know more about your encounter with negs.
How did you make a pact with them? how many years ago was this, I know this was in past life, but how long ago in terms of years and how many lifetimes ago?
What sort of attacks did you suffer?

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I need to know how one goes about changing hair/eyes/skin. I am guessing for now that self-written spells would be the way to go. I have not much experience in written spells but from what I understand...as long as you feel the intention of the spell as you are writing it and as long as you let it flow, it will work, correct?

Reading through these forums I have noticed that there is a huge christian influence. As you all know the purpose of these forums are to discuss occult concepts and practices, primarily astral projection but also other areas. Through-out the threads there is always a christian comment or two dropped in about the topic being discussed, topics of course, of an occult nature. I decided I would perhaps wake people up to what the bible has to say about the occult.

Old Testament

    Exod 22:18

    18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

    Deut 18:10-12

    10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
    daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times,
    or an enchanter, or a witch,

    11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a
    necromancer.

    12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because
    of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

    Lev 20:27

    27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely
    be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

    1 Chr 10:13-14

    13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD,
    even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking
    counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;

    14 And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom
    unto David the son of Jesse.
    .
                                New Testament

    Acts 8:9-24

    9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which before time in the same city
    used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was
    some great one:

    10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is
    the great power of God.

    11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them
    with sorceries.

    Acts 16:16-18

    16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a
    spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

    17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the
    servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

    18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the
    spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he
    came out the same hour.
    .
    So let's define some of these words from Nelsons Illustrated Bible Dictionary,
    (Copyright 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers) and apply them to our current world:
    .
                     MAGIC, SORCERY, AND DIVINATION

    Witchcraft

    The practice of witchcraft, or divination, was a means for extracting information or
    guidance from a pagan god.

         In the case of Joseph's divining cup, the diviner apparently interpreted the
         shape of a puddle of oil floating on the water in the cup <Gen. 44:5>.
         <Ezekiel 21> describes the king of Babylon as he tried to decide which way
         to approach Jerusalem. It portrays him as throwing down a handful of
         arrows, hoping that a certain one will point to a route which he believes is
         the will of his god.
         It also records that "he consults the images, he looks at the liver" <Ezek.
         21:21>. Reading and interpreting the livers of sacrificial animals was
         another form of determining the will of the gods.

    (Modern day black 8 ball, Water Witching, Burying a statue of Joseph
    upside down in the front yard to sell a house )

    Soothsaying

    Soothsaying, the practitioner of which is also described by the KJV as "observer
    of times" <Deut. 18:10>.

    Because it sounds like a Hebrew word for cloud, some scholars believe it refers
    to cloud reading.
    (Modern day Tea Leaf Reading, Palm Reading, Astrology, Horoscopes,
    Biorhythms, Fortune Cookies, etc.)

    Necromancy

    Calling Up the Dead. The Bible gives us no indication that we can expect to talk
    with people who have died.
    (Modern day "Praying to the Saints" in the Roman Catholic Church. This
    is also includes Seances, and Oui-ja Boards.)


I have seen alot of people here talk about white magick being of "God" and other such crap. It should be well noted that as a christian, you are meant to practice NO form of magick. NO form of magick is meant to be of your "God". It clearly states in revelations that jesus will throw all those who practice magick, sorcery, divination etc into the lake of fire. There is absolutely no tolerance for spirit mediumship, sorcery, witchcraft, divination, magick, interpreting omens, contacting the dead and other such practices in the Bible, the Jewish Torah or the Koran.
I have noticed alot of you speak of "demons". "good spirits" and "bad spirits". Demon is the classic latin form of the modern latin word "Daemon". They are both an adaption of the greek word "Daimon". This meant a spirit of power intermediary between men and the Gods. They were meant to be guardians and bringers of knowledge. "hairy men" "lords" and "idols" were translated into "Daimon". Why? because these were said to be more powerful then men and not as powerful as god. They were the pagan dieties worshipped by the canaanites, akkaidians, the babylonians etc. They were meant to be false idols, deceptive and seductive. "Daimons" were also meant to be what was at work in divination, spirit mediumship, contacting the dead etc. "Daemon" and "Demon" are adapted forms of "Daimon" which came about from translation. Later translations of the bible used "devils" and "feinds". These beings were said to be "fallen angels" who "fell from grace" with lucifer. The bible states there is no such thing as contacting the dead, because after death people apparently either cease to exist, or find eternal life with the nazarene. They cannot be contacted when they find eternal life, and obviously they canot be contacted when they cease to exist because they don't exist. "Angels" are meant to be messengers to the prophets and only appear to chosen people, ie prophets. They will only come to people, people are not meant to be able to contact them or invoke/evoke them. What is being contacted during spirit mediusm ship, evocation and invocation are meant to be fallen angels; the unclean, deceptive, seductive spirits.
Since they are seductive and deceptive obviously they would not present themselves as malignant or negative now, would they? it is never stated that they kill or harm. The reason why they are "evil spirits" is because they oppose "God". They're evil because "God" says they are. There is also nothing about karma or reincarnation in the bible like many people would like to beleive. Such claims are utter crap. The bible states spirituality is the doctrine of Demons.

Thank you

yuck angels

ancients I think you might be reffering to the nephilim/annunaki, the gods of sumeria, baylonia, akkadin, egypt, etc, basically the original gods, they are called demons by christianity, I have contacted quite a few ancients and have one as my guardian.

According to Mohammed, he encountered the archangel gabriel in his own experiences who dictated the Qu'ran to him.
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Oh my god! there's a guy trying to kill me with an axe!!!

Oh! Oh! I LOVE JOO!!!!!!!

I haven't heard of it up until now but sounds like just another countless
all religions fit together to form the truth/we must fuse with the creator/source/god/god is the universe/god is in us all theories.
Really, this isn't any different to other religions. People would like to pretend that its 'spirituality' and that they don't like religion and this is the enlightened truth but they are no different to the christians, muslims, jews and other organised religions.

I think people should stop swallowing watered down new age bs and actually educate themselves properly.

Well actually Kamma Niyama means we suffer 'karmic' reprocussions all the time from our thoughts, actions, and speech. It would be no difference if we suffered a karmic reprocussion for hurting somebody, how many times have we hurt somebody before anyway, often without realising it?
A retribution for sending out negative energy would actually not be kamma, but citta, a completely different niyama.