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G'day Mawk

So you are basically saying that intent and directed kinetic energy through thought (that's my words/interpretation) are what gets the negs. But what about the really strong ones that can manifest on the physical plane, and cross water barriers? Water is only effective for the low-level negs, not the ones that can manifest physically. (From my understanding, and an experience in my life with a couple of the buggers.)

Kinetic energy -- flow -- your water hypothesis -- could also be translated into the LRMP thingy, and other protection devices / rituals that involve movement -- also that succulent (not) aroma of burning chillis permeating the air, the wafting of delirious nursery rhymes pulsating, the radiation of self-generated energy waves from chalked symbols on doorways and entrances... it is all energy.... ? Just trying to grasp what you mean, I guess, minus a few high falutin' words (Uni getting to ya, mate? LOL)(Pardon me, am in tease mode.)

You are basically saying it is HOW the energy moves that if affects negs, yes?? And this goes beyond the water barrier to astral weapons and their projectile action.... (and not to mention any plationic solids here.)

Regarding your camera idea, what about holding up a mirror? Would that too, be effective? Have you ever made a psionic particle beam generator??? I wondered then if a camera would work, would not just projecting light (and as you further outline) love -- these are not effective tools and I thought you were aware of this one in Robert's dialogues on the New Age love and lighters causing more harm than good.... Do you really think love could have that kind of power, or just feed them as it is, afterall energy??? (Serious question.)

Pardon me if I speak out of place, I am so pleased to see you after ages and ages.... and my mind is a bit tired (lot on my plate and negs invading my son again... -- semi-joke) so I am possibly a bit chaotic with my thinking and comprehension.... but I do find this subject interesting and would like to hear if I interpreted it ok??

Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Hi Jason,

Some good advice there from Pres.

I'd also like to add that often with energy work, as blockages are reduced and energy pathways restored/strengthened, sensations can decrease. This does happen to a small percentage of people. The issue would be looking at your belief systems regarding energy sensations and what they mean for you....  People who cannot feel a thing with NEW still get results. (There is a belief systems exercise of Robert's in the spiritual and meditation forum, btw.)

I personally rarely do primary work, and one of Robert's son began primary work last year after YEARS of secondary work... it is all up to the individual, but secondaries do provide stability, fortitude, etc to your energy body. I am very undisiciplined at times, but just with secondaries have achieved low-level OBE's, spontanneous OBE, semi-lucidity whilst "out", astral sight, visions and clairaudience.... so primaries aren't the "be all" but can have their puropse too! LOL What a roundabout babble, hope it makes sense! I realise it is easy to get excited about primaries but there is also a "perfect timing" for everyone and you just "know" when you are ready. Moving too quickly into it can cause extreme tiredness, instability in mood/health/thought processes.... check out AD.

OK that's my take on it, take it or leave it....gotta goooooooooooooooooo

Cheers
Donni



"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

G'day David

I would suggest the heaviness was actually entering a deeper trance level, or it may be the result of energy expansion/flow/etc. Or it might be the beginnnings of projection, however I would lay my bets on the first -- trance sensations. I usally know I am in a deeper trance by the heavy sensations, hearing perceptions are "different" and "echoey" and for me, any sounds appear before my closed eyes as pictures (like the ones where you can see sound with sand on paper.... like patterns.)

If your goal is projection, Robert's stockstandard advice of sitting upright in a hard-backed chair, at a time when you are alert (i.e. not before sleep), do some NEW (as it seems a trigger for trance for you) and some e-raising -- then use rope or whatever technique "feels" right.... and you should be able to have a conscious OBE and maintain awareness (by the sound of it.)

Why did you wish to break your concentration -- were the sensations causing discomfort? Curious... I didn't fully understand what you meant in the second point regarding normal projection.... ?

Cheers, mate!
:)onni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Hi kbear

Robert has written an article on belief system cleansing that can have a great impact on many areas of your life. Here it is:

Belief Systems:
Your experiences in life are filtered by what you believe. What do you believe about energy? And yourself? Do you have it set in your mind that you cannot feel anything for some reason? Or if you can't feel it now, it will be hard to, even after trying the exercises several times? Sometimes our beliefs can put us in 'little boxes' that limit what we allow into our realm of experience.

All knowledge is available to everyone. But most people refuse to see, to hear, to realize, because this conflicts with their paradigms, with their innate conceptions of reality. And there are none so blind as those who will not see.  One must get back to basics, and by so doing to broaden ones conceptual horizons.

The method, if it can be called such a thing, is absolute honesty with your own true self.  Know yourself, and to your own self be true. Discard everything not gained via personal experience.  Do not take anything as read.  Question everything and find out for yourself by doing.

But this is a very difficult thing to do.  We are surrounded by opinions and these sink into us, into our belief system filters, and they shape all our beliefs; if we let them. This we must resist profoundly.

Look at everything with the eyes of a child:  be open minded, non judgmental, simple, unfettered by the beliefs and opinions and shackles of others.  

Realize that everything, every sense and perception and intuition and vision and every bit of information  gathered outside the physical body, whether during energy work, OBE or altered state, must pass through the belief system filters in order to be stored as a recognizable memory in the physical brain.

Take for example partisan NewAge beliefs about the nature, structure and  functionings of the spirit world above us.  What if it were not actually like this at all?  How would high level information, contrary to partisan belief, be affected by this contradiction? Could it integrated at all? How would it be changed?  And indeed it will be changed as it passes through the myriad of conceptual belief system filters we all contain.

We strive and plead and beg for the truth, and I assure you it is given to us all at every turn.  But we do not allow ourselves to see it. You see the majority of us are happy and content with our spiritual blindness. Even though much of it does not work, its comfortable, so we stick with it. This is called Maya, the illusion of the physical reality we all share.  

Make a list of everything you believe in.  Apply total honesty to this list.  Keep everything you have personal experience with.  Discard the rest, but remain open minded.  If, for example, you have not experienced OBE, be open to experiencing it. Put all the stuff you have not proven personally into a basket of 'possibilities'. And transfer these possibilities carefully into the 'real stuff' basket as experience is gained.  You will be surprised at how much stuff will never be moved, and will eventually end up in the trash at life's end.

After one has done ones best to purge his or her belief system filters (or self-imposed limitations), real knowledge comes through the realization process.  A progressive number of small realizations (like pieces of jigsaw) flow into the mind.  This is punctuated by progressively larger and larger realizations.  This is the well-known road to enlightenment; which is described in many different ways in the world today.

Just because one has a strict belief system does not mean that one cannot try out new ideas, even crazy ones.  Ideas, crazy or otherwise, are not heartfelt beliefs. But the gems one uncovers and proves have the potential
to become true beliefs; even if everyone else disagrees.



Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Hey Astralshadows

I have read literally hundreds of emails from people regarding NEW and yes, some people don't feel a thing. Some don't believe -- and it works. Some believe and are disappointed they don't feel anything. (But they still get results.)

I suggest you do what Robert calls a Belief System Cleanse (wot I call a BS-Cavator.... like an excavator but it gets all the BS away) -- write out everything you believe (in a specific issue, ie in this case, energy work and you) and against this, cross off anything that is not solid truth. This clarifies what you believe and what isn't reality... clears it up for whatever by removing obtacles and opening you up to something new (pun intended LOL)

It is online in articles, under psychic self-protection (I think) I didn't word my explanation too good, it's humid (I live in tropics) and a toddler is rampaging behind me!

Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Howdy

Alex posted the healing article by Robert on the thread called "Any N.E.W. tips" which will tell you more about it. (Page 2 of this forum)

Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Hi

Quickie... NEW is also here in step by step lessons: http://www.dimensional-doorways.com/NEW/lesson_1.htm

Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Hi Winged Wolf

There are two tutorials for NEW online on Robert's website under articles (I think).

Cheers
Donni

"A balance of perspective must be maintained in order to preserve reasonable logic and truth." Robert the Brute, 2002

Howdy

Whether they are 'true' or not, I had an aura photo taken and beforehand and unbeknownst to the photographer, I sent energy to appear in the photo. A ball of energy appeared in my aura in the photo, which they stated was energy rather than a spirit or anything else.

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Howdy

Yes, I have had this. As a mother with five children, the time I have for things like metaphysical OBE explorations attempts (and some successes) has been before sleep. For me, the astral noise manifests in bloodcurdling screams of my children being slaughtered, people tramping up and down the hallway, etc etc. This went on for quite some time and I found it very disturbing and upsetting. I would inevitably have to get up and check, even though I knew all doors were locked and kiddies asleep.

I think it was like a test where I had to PROVE somehow I was prepared to persist. I just FORCED myself through common sense to ignore the noises, and the pass actually surprisingly quickly. I rarely get it these days.

OK time for tea! Good luck, and please keep us posted how you go. Also check out the belief system cleanse in Robert's article on psychic self-defense as it might help clear the way for you regarding these sounds and KNOWING they are just an "illusion".

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Actually Pete the ideal would be to keep your energy body topped up with NEW and energy breathing. Not all OBE's are tiring as well, although if this is what you are aiming for in a more consistent manner, then making an attempt at a time other than when you go to sleep (i.e. pre-sleep) is more effective and higher success rate; for example in the morning when you are bright and fresh.

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hi Lady lea

Yes, that is the common experience of physical paralysis felt either pre-lift-off or when re-entering the body. If you ever get "stuck" in it, just moving a toe or finger can break it.

Cheers
Donni

Hi Pete

Another quick one for me today Energy breathing (in "Astral Dynamics" or online in NEW tutorials) will help with any energy depletion. You need the energy to OBE anyway. Tiredness can be a factor post OBE but I think it all comes down to personal energy levels (from my understanding.) I am sure others have some input here too!

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Howdy

Just a quick one -- yes, it sounds like you did it with classic symptoms. The hands thing is similar to Robert's ROPE technique where you pull yourself out on an imaginary rope. Whatever works works, so go for it, mate! LOL

Cheers
Donni


'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hi Focus {:)]

Robert recommends smudging as a form of psychic protection.

I CAN answer the Aboriginal question. The Kooris did use eucalyptus and native herbs for cleansing and spiritual reasons. Eg newborn babies were smudged after birth to protect them from evil spirits.

What makes smudging effective is yes, belief system. I queried Robert on this, and he suggested these herbs do contain certain things that negative entites cannot bear to be around. Two Bears would be a good one to ask on specifics/info here!

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Two Bears

So glad you are here, for my own selfish reasons.

I read a book many many years ago on Huna, I cannot recall which one, but later on I got the Sergei King, "Mastering Your Hidden Self." I know you aren't too keen on King's stuff, but what do you think of this book? Is he at least correct with his analysis of the three selves? His exercises, although I didn't try them all, seemed rather good too. This book really related to me, and I loved it. I still have it, actually.

As you are unfamiliar with New Energy Ways, I'd like to give you a nutshell synopsis. It is something very obvious, and is actually very effective method of taking conscious control/working with the energy body.

Basically, one stimulates the energy body, starting with "brushing the feet" with imaginary hands, or awareness hands (or your energy body hands.) Stimulation proceeds upwards to the crown, followed by an energy raising ciruit, bringing the energy to the sub-navel energy storage area. Primaries are left alone until one is familiar with the process and energy sensations subside.

Robert roadtested the NEW system for many years and found people were becoming unstable metally/emotionally if they went straight to primary centres. So the method is well set out, step by step, to prevent the side-effects that occurred when NEW was being roadtested.

There are a couple of basic circuits, the universal practice of energy breathing and NEW can be used as a form of meditation and even with healing. I have explored -- dipped my toes in -- many healing practices and am a trained bodyworker and have done Reiki for 15 years (first two levels were Usuii, and the third was dear heart Wombat as my guide/teacher.)

NEW, to me, is an obvious and commonsense approach to energy development that once you have the concept, can just rely on common sense. There are also various exercises for dealing with blockages, keeping energy around draining people/circumstances, and a few other things as well. It does seem to enahnce many things from Reiki to martial arts to physical sports and healing.

One thing I admire about Robert is that he has come from a space that is unaffected by other streams and modalities. He has had no experience with energy systems per se, although is a natural healer and sensitive to energies. NEW is something so obvious as a system I am surprised it hasn't been replicated aeons before. "Nothing new under the sun" true but as a whole, NEW is unique and effective and best of all, easy!


Cheers Two Bears!!!!!!!!!
:)onni


'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hello!

first of all, Two Bears, were you on the Reiki newsgroup... and you advised me with a ritual at one point through Wombat in Holland?

One of the best effective psychic counter-measures if there are energy/entities around has been simple.... turning on the light!!!!!!!! Worked for me.... and later cleansing and prayer and other spiritual practices stopped their return. These two entities were seen (and smelt) by my and a friend's very own eyes, wide awake, not astral sight.



gotta dash but interested in this thread!

Cheers
Donni



'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Howdy ho!

Great stuff LOL

Um.... I think Robert wants to put all Kundalini stuff in a separate book, but of course, ED (working name -- Energy Dynamics) will touch on it as it can be stimulated through NEW.

A great NEW exercise to introduce people to it is the tongue exercise. It is listed as the first one in the online tutorial, not the one Robert wrote, but the one I defaced. (On Dimensional Doorways.)

Um, fun things to do with NEW -- try it with a biocircuit, or in a crystal layout (i.e. a crystal at each point of a Star of David')...

A fun game is to close your eyes and have someone hold their hand just above your body (far enough away heat isn't a give-away), project energy and you guess where their hand is....

A lot of Reiki things can be used or adapted -- play hide and seek with the kids... try dowsing with your palms sensitive to ley lines... Hey I even tried it with the lotto numbers once.... Of course, I didn't get my numbers in, but did manage to score a few LOL Haven't been game enough to truly tempt the fates.

You can also play around with NEW and psychometry -- either "open" to the energy of the item, or imagine your energy body is inside it, sussing it out.... can be quite interesting if you find something unusal at the op shop. I have an old key, it is massive.... and whenever I "merge" with it, i hear doors SLAMMING and cries and wails and sandstone walls. I assume it is from convict days but will never know for sure.

Mark -- for group work, the whole book is given in a series of lessons that can be taught to groups. I actually had goals of teaching NEW at the local Choi Kwang-do centre, so the perspective was in the lessons being for the individual as well as a group at large.

The book will also incorporate the belief system cleanse and core image work, as preconceived mental falsehoods can get in the way of energy work (i.e. "I am hopeless at this" "it's all a load of kangaroo dung" etc) Core image work, by the way, is also useful in directly "healing" physical ailments, lumps and bumps. So I guess it will be a self-development book, as well as spiritual as it will cover healing. Oh, and it will also cover NEW and sexuality, for enhancing pleasure and awareness of joint energy dynamics

Um..... spent a fair bit of yesterday going thru the book (thanks to you guys -- once I am "done" then it'll be time to nag Robert over it to add extra input and stuff!) and I am all inspired again!

Oh there will also probably be some guided meditations to record too, for raising energy and doing the energy raising circuits.

Thanks for inspiration and support dudes and keep those ideas coming in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)onni

PS what's it mean at the bottom of the screen....  "click here to lock the topic after this post" Should I try it? LOL hehehehehe must be a moderator's thing I guess.... this could be like a blonde behind the wheel of a car... or what if my toddler got to it? oh dear..... LOL

Howdy

Thanks Alex!
Beauty, mate! LOL

Malcolm:

1.) AD has instructions for the stimulation/development of each chakra, but it does not cover the psychic abilities associated with them. Will the NEW book have more detailed instructions for the development and use of each chakra?

The book touch on psychic development that goes hand in hand with NEW development, however it will not be too in depth as it is more of a NEW book then developing psychic potentials. You might be interested in Robert's treatise on developing auric sight, which is online somewhere! But the book will touch on stuff from clairvision, clairaudience, visions, etc. and have some guides for further development.

As to the development and use of each chakra -- not sure! Will see what Robert thinks. Of course, suggestions, ideas, etc GREATLY APPRECIATED! I now have the master copy (yippee, thanks to Robert; I shall never complain anymore (or any less, ha ha) when he nags me about backups and pc maintenence....)Anyway am motivated to get back "into it" as I am not always the best working in vacuum, and you have been a part of that re-inspiration!

I really think the NEW book might be a healing force in itself. Initially the main target is younger people. I have friends who run a metaphysical website that has loads of teens asking questions, and problems, etc so I rewrote Robert's tutorial in a different process and changed a few words to make it simpler for teens. The book idea evolved from that! You can see this tutorial, on ther Dimensional Doorways site, should be a link somewhere!!!!!

2.) Will the NEW book be aimed at the beginner, or will it have more advanced material?

Both! hehehehe It will also have loads of cartoons and "funnies"! One of Robert's sons will be doing some of them, he is a rather good artist for a kid!

OK while I am inspired....

cheers
donni

PS pardon typos, I have a Pixie harrassing me! LOL

Hi there

Check out the posts on the psychic self-defense forum.....

The court is still out on that one LOL

Also, "The Inner Guide Meditation" by Edwin Steinbrecher is a fantastic book!

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Howdy!

I have been doing Reiki for almost 15 years and am level 3. I have been doing NEW for maybe 4 - 5 years (my time flies!) now, sporadically from mega-disciplined to only evenings pre-sleep.

I can say that NEW and Reiki compliment each other wonderfully. In fact NEW is like an addition or extension to ANY system from energy work to martial arts to working with essences, etc.

I find NEW is more of a full-body practice, whereas Reiki is more confined to  hands (maybe eyes) and intention (if healing). I love them both but if I was pushed into a corner to make a choice, I'd pick NEW any day because it is a self-development process moreso than Reiki... but again, both are great!

(I also think Reiki works on bypassing the conscious mind by going direct to the sub-conscious through the archetypal symbols which have an energy field that maintains itself... and so embedded in your auric field, generate the energy, regardless of whether you believe or not... OK I could rave here forvere LOL)

What amazes me about NEW is that it is such an OBVIOUS way of working with the bodies' energies. Apply some common sense, and it is just soooo easy!!!!!

OK enough NEW fanaticism!

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hey LadyLea

Maybe putting a little eye pillow or something light but weighted on your eyes might help? When you know you cannotphysically open your eyes, the problem might ZAP! away!

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hi sister

Just a quick one.... energy breathing will help with tiredness, etc as this is natural side-effect of beginning energy work. It is on the dimesnional doorways tutorial I re-wrote of Robert's.... or plough through the NEW stuff of his -- or look in "AD"

Evil presence stuff could be "dweller on threshold" or in light of your past, perhaps negs -- another story. I tend to think the former, just ignore them, don't give them your energy!

Oh -- energy work or AP you ask.... well you can do both just keep up the energy breathing! AP will have a better chance of success once your energy body has stabilised, so now might be the best time to practice trance meditation rather than direct OBE -- or both -- all that is up to you!

Energy breathing, LadyLea.... it will make a BIG difference!


Good luck desert dweller ))))) I'm off to eat an elephant....

Cheers, Donni  

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hi there

Weight loss -- May I suggest doing the belief system cleanse, and CIR on images of being overweight/feelings it evokes/etc.... would probably really help?

(Hey I thought it was carrot AND celery juice that was great weight loss combo?)

There are loads of unsolicited testimonials on weight loss with NEW it seems to happen par for the course. When it doesn't there are often underlying causes there, and CIR or the Belief System Cleanse (BS Cavator in the Energy Dynamics book.... yep, the NEW book that needs some nagging for Donni and Robert to work on LOL)... um where was I? Yes, these two exercises might be helpful to shift the issue.

Yes Malcolm, the NEW book WILL have healing others. If Robert still has the master copy of the new book, I will post the healing stuff if you like  -  but it is online somewhere I am sure, either old forum archives, or as an article of Robert's.  I lost a LOT of stuff in a recent hard drive crash. I have all Robert's stuff as emergency backups for him, but I have been very slack protecting myself.... so it is fingers crossed he has one of the few copies left.... (must be dem negs LOL OK I am blonde... )

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Hi

I developed real time sight and visions in conjunction, as a side-effect of NEW and it ebbs and tides with how disciplined I am with NEW (and probably the moon and stress levels, etc et al) The real time sight I have had episodes of this all my life, so it must be a latent ability for me that NEW has really triggered. My visions are multi-coloured, but the real time sight isn't, but that is because I usually get it before I crash at night (hence, it is dark and monochromatic anyway.)

One exercise that is pretty universal, for developing the brow centre, is to imagine an eye opening.... feel it with MBA..... Alternatively, you can rub it upwards as if you are physically opening an eye.

I know Robert says he does his grocery shopping in trance, now it'd be something if he closed his eyes and did it all with real time sight LOL

Cheers
Donni  

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/