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Now do you get those types of dreams a lot?  Because it seems like every other dream is me trying to save someone, or save the world, or survive from some armageddon-like event.  I wonder what they mean.

I just don't believe that my dreams are just me making up stuff.  It just doesn't make sense that we would have these unique dreams every night and they don't mean anything.  Otherwise I think we would just have a "screen-saver"(so to speak) to look at or perhaps nothing at all.  IMHO.

Well I had an odd dream.  Basically it was about this girl who's father was an angel.  Only he was a fallen angel.  He wasn't evil but he definitely wasn't as good as an angel like Michael or Gabriel or someone like that.

I remember seeing a flashback of me, her, and some friends(when we were kids) running around and seeing a panther.  And we were like wow what a big kitty.  So we followed it and saw more.  And we came up to see her dad with some demons behind him.  Only I didn't feel an evil presence.

Now all I can recall is when I was in the present I was in my house and she was sleeping on the bed.  I had a machete(knife) and woke up and saw her dad and those demons again.  I don't know what they said but it was like they were hostile now.  So I went and woke her up and gave her a weapon too.  And told here that they were here.  But we searched and searched and couldn't find them.

So I went outside and prayed for an angel to help us.  And from the sky an angel came down.  He looked hispanic and was dressed a little odd but I could tell he was an angel.

We started talking and decided that we had to go and defeat her father.  And he asked how do we plan to do this(he knew the answer)?  I said, "Well I know these weapons won't do anything.  And you could give us celestial weapons, but I doubt God would want us to fight like that."  And he said, "Yeah God wouldn't want that."

He gave us a bible quote(for some reason) and said here lies your answer.  So she went to find a bible.  I found one first and saw the quote saying something like, "The destination you need is not in New York or Dallas, but in your heart."  Then he showed me a picture of a ship with the number 17 on it.  He said that a few thousand years ago this ship wrecked and the lady on board died.  So I said, "So wherever we are going she might die?".  He shrugged but said No.

When he left I looked out my patio door and there were giant sea waves bashing against the house(like we were on a boat).  At first I closed the sliding glass door to prevent water from coming in, then realized she hadn't come back.  So I ran out there(getting soaked of course) yelling, "Susan!!!".  And right then my alarm woke me up.

Any ideas?

Actually isn't Steven Hawking's IQ like 280?  I could be wrong though.

I pretty much agree with the last 2 posters though.  To say the bible is right for you is one thing.  But to just say it's right, period, is another.

And even if your IQ is 212, it really doesn't mean anything.  Your IQ is intelligence, not wisdom.

To conquer and make the most of imperfection and suffering.

Oh markulous, that is not normal at all. How in the world are you attracting dishonest people to you? Or connedting to them somehow? If your family is like that too, it is not a good sign.  You ned to seek out people of more spiritual nature, high minded people.

Well that's what I'm trying to do now.  But I have yet to met anyone that is remotely spiritual.  Everyone I see either is dishonest, addicted to some form of drug, or is just plain evil.  Most people think I am weird because I don't drink, never done any type of drug, that I am nice to everyone, or that I don't have sex until I get to know the person, etc.  It's like the world is backwards.

Sorry to hear about that. I think we've all been through that one way or in shape and form. The people that are hurting around you've to be careful about and put up strong barriers and let them prove their trust.

The guy who embezzled money from you mom, eventually it will catch up to him in the end. You can repeat the same crime time and time again, but he'll be caught and justice will prevail.

Don't worry - we're your friends and will try to help you smile once again!

Well I appreciate that.

See that's the thing I thought I have always put up barriers.  That's why I never had a lot of friends.  Maybe it's all just karma from a past life?

And I will check out all those links.  The focus 2 thingie sounds particularly interesting.

Well actually to be honest I don't really meditate like I should anymore and don't really intentionally OBE/lucid dream.  It just kind of happens no matter what.

I don't mind sharing anything at all.  Well I haven't really been very emotional to begin with.  But what kind of tipped the scales was the fact the a friend I had(a guy, who was also my martial arts instructor), and probably the person I trusted most, embezzled money from my mom and I never heard from him again.

Now I have had about 4 or 5 other really good friends in my life that have done similar things to me.  Plus my family is basically the same way.  So I don't have any friends, and the only family I care for is really my mom.

So it just seems to me that most people that I come across aren't trustworthy.  Maybe that's why?  I dunno!

You all listed some good stuff to do when I am projecting but I can't really find anything(as Major Tom put it) meaningful.

I mean when I first started to project it was like, "Oh sweet!  I want to do this, and that, and OH this too, etc."  But now that I think about it, I can't think of anything that really turns me on, so to speak.

Maybe going to the akashic records or seeing what my past lives were but even then, it's like I am going to see that anyway when I die.  Plus I guess that was my main goal for so long and nothing ever happened, so maybe I kind of lost faith in it.

I can only search and search so long before I say, "Ah, the heck with it."  It could all be because of how I feel now(meaning this past year or so).  I feel kind of emotionless on most things in life.  I always try to do what's right but I really can't connect too much anymore.

P.S. Rooj, mainly what I do is first make sure I have at least 8 or 9 hours of sleep(sometimes more on the weekends) and make sure I raise my energy up through meditation.  And most of the time lucid dreams will happen almost every night.  Through them I can feel for my body and project outwards or explore the dream.  Although I really don't see much difference(if any) between the two anymore.

For those who have been projecting a while, what do you do now that you have been projecting a while?

I started trying to learn last November and within a week or so I was able to project.  And since then I have had 100's of lucid dreams/obe's.  But now I tend to get a little bored.

I am grateful for everything it's just that being in the RTZ so many times kinda gets a little boring if not a lot happens.  I have gone to the astral plane a few times but it's like nothing meaningful happens, if you know what I mean.

It just seems like it's a extremely cool video game.  Like it's fun and all but even the most exciting video game can get boring if it's mostly the same stuff over and over.

I agree with what Cacodemon said about beings being harmless or generated by someones mind.

In my experience at least I encountered a couple hostile beings.  After I encountered about 2 or 3 and was a little scared, I decided it was time for me not to be scared anymore.  And the next hostile thing I encountered I ran straight at them and the disappeared.

And eventually I realized how to create bright lights(usually blue, orange or white) come out of my hands and repel any negative entity/thought manifestation.

I personally wouldn't be overly concerned about this "demon" in your room.  If there were actual demons in your house you would know.  You just need to let go of your fear.  And when you see it again run straight at it, or simply laugh at it and walk off.

I have astral projected near my dog a couple of times.  One time I know for a fact she was awake.  And I went up to her and petted(well the best that I can) her and she seemed to like it.  She just wagged her tail and laid there.

Have you thanked god and after wards have had assistance or seen helpers materialize in front of you?

Well kind of.  Something happened to me one night and I was really hurt by it but I prayed to God and told God that I forgive the person that hurt me, and thanked God for everything.  And the next morning I heard Gregorian chants in my room(very soothing) and felt an incredible weight lifted off of me.  While I didn't see anything I felt and heard a lot.

And I don't think God is a him/her either(although I use the word "him" for lack of a better pronoun).  However I don't try to describe God.  IMO I just think that if God is this incredible force/being that can do all of these things than I can't really comprehend "him".  If that makes any sense...

I do that quite often when I project.  To God or Jesus or to the Buddha within me, etc.  I only really do it at the beginning of my projection when I am inside the house so I never noticed a sparkle from the sun or the moon.

I pretty much agree with James and Gandalf.

The bible is kind of funny really.  First it does have a lot of useful tools in it.  With that in mind, I am trying to think of a saying I saw on this board or another...It went like:
Kid: Dad, how do we know right and wrong?
Dad: Because the bible tells us what's right.
Kid: How do we know the bible is right?
Dad: Because the bible tells us it's right.

Well I have had tons of lucid dreams and astral projections and anytime I meet someone I generally don't hesitate to ask questions.  And out of all the answers I have received I very few of them have been very specific.  Or some of them don't make any sense.

I had a conversation with my grandpa who had died a few months before.  I asked what is it like after you die.  And he had a big smile saying it was wonderful.  I asked, "What should I do to in this life?" He said "Believe in God", and took off.

Another time I asked for my higher self and a man appeared. Then he asked what I wanted to know.  I wanted general advice and he replied simply, "No".  And gave me a reply about animal scents(?).

I asked a lady in a lucid dream what my past life was and she said in my first past life I was a stuffed animal and she showed me a picture of a teddy bear.  Then I asked what my most recent past life was and she showed me a slide show of this ladies life.  That might make sense, however when it showed the lady in a picture when she was in her 80's, the era that she was in was definitely the 1990's.  Which obviously wouldn't work since I am in my 20's.

Another time I asked for a spirit guide of mine and an owl appeared and said his name was Hercules.  And then he changed into a horse and proceeded to tell me that he saved me from drowning at some time in my life(which I can't recall where that could have been).

I have had a bunch more but I won't ramble on.  I just think that we are sent here to figure out and learn things on our own.  We might have beings that look after us and give us a tiny nudge in the right direction sometimes but for the most part we have to do everything ourselves.  I don't think (at least as far as positive beings are concerned) that they will intervene in our lives except in rare occasions.

Probably lack of confidence or lack of experience.

I know when I first started lucid dreaming there wasn't a lot I could do.  But now I have as much control as I want to.  The best way for me to learn control was to let go.  Instead of trying to force things at first just explore the environments and know that it is your creation.  After a while anybody who messed with me either got beat up, chased off, or changed into something positive and friendly.

Well I have had quite a number of projections and I can honestly say that having fear will increase your chances of seeing a "negative entity".  There has been only one time that I have encountered something hostile that wasn't generated from my fear.  Everything else has been because I was afraid.  And the thing(s) I encountered were a joke anyway.

Plus a lot of it, I believe, is affected by how you live your life.  If you live in a peaceful environment, and try to always use love as an alternative to hate, and don't try to seek anything negative, well then you really don't have to worry about anything.

Just kind of say to yourself that you don't want anything to do with any type of negative entities, only positive ones and you should be okay.

Whatever actions you do in life, just do them with love.  If you stay true to that you'll never need worry about hell.  At least that's how it is for me.

 That's okay!  I was kind of vague to begin with.

Beth,

I wasn't being completely serious.  I don't expect anyone to provide factual evidence of something like that.  It would be absurd.  I was simply making a point that there are a lot of things that cannot be proven or disproven and that "factual evidence" is not particularly important.[/i]

Please provide us with facts of virgins births, dead half rotten bodies coming back to life and people floating back up to heaven, people walking on water, turning water into wine, the seas parting, the sun standing still for three days. All of humanity coming from only two people. And all the other wacky claims that Christianity claims as real,

Please provide us with facts that these things did NOT happen, and I will be the first to stand up and say they weren't real.

Well when you become lucid, immediately say, "Take me to my body now!".  That right there was how I had my first OBE.  And every time I have done that it has worked.

From my experience I think they are pretty close to the same thing.  I have had lucid dreams that seem like OBE's and visa versa.  However I can project from a lucid dream and it feels like my astral body is floating up from somewhere.

I figure a lucid dream is just an astral plane that you are on and with an OBE you generally project into the RTZ.

Well I think I might have overcome the fear of that.  It might have been what I needed to muster up some more courage.

And I respect Death just as much as the next guy, but screaming at me is not going to get someone invited back to my house.  All he had to do was say(if indeed it was him), "Hey what's going on?  It's me Death."  If he sounded like Norm McDonald or Adam Corolla that would be okay as well. (a little Family Guy reference...   )

Well I realize the setting is a common thing.  It's just I am not sure why I keep having the same thing happen where I am there and then I realize I have already graduated and this is all pointless.

Nah I wouldn't go on a rampage.  I am nice to my dream characters.  

Well my first(intentional) lucid dream involved 2 werewolves chasing after me so I know how you feel.  Instead of trying to get rid of them I just showed them no fear and they changed into my 2 dogs that I of course get along with.  Just know that it's your world and nothing can hurt you and you will be fine.

If your like me you won't able to manipulate the environment very well at first.  It's not as easy as it sounds.  But after a lot of practice you will get good at it.