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Frank,

        Oh matey! Sounds pretty bad, what ever it is

        Hope things are on the mend, will be thinking of you.

        All the very best to you and yours

        Take care,

Steve

Hi Gents,

Thanks for the replies. :)

Stookie,

Funny... I've never had any of the pre-phasing/OBE vibrations in all my attempts. I think in all honesty I'm glad that I don't have them, as I suspect they'd just get in the way.

Stevo,

Steve, it may be a case where you are analyzing too much. The problems with the Wave CD's is there is still a crutch. You have made yourself mentally relied on the noises to get you to where you are.

Well yes :) I guess there has been a bit too much analyzing on my part, as a way of trying to learn/understand the mechanics of the whole process and to get to grips with it all. I never really bought/ used the cd as a crutch, so to speak, it more of a comparison between what I thought/perceived focus 10 to be (From earlier experiences) and what it felt like having subsequently tried it out directly. I can say now that both experiences were quite similar tho I'd have to say that the Monroe method of relaxation is better overall, will continue to incorporate this method for initiating a phasing attempt.
Before I bought it I was either using a BWgen track, or just good old fashioned ear-plugs (For day-time use), as I find external noises quite annoying. In the early morning sessions (4-5am) I don't use anything as it's quiet enough to do without them ;)
In the last few days I've gone back to using the BWgen track and use it as a method (As before)of dulling exterior noises, go through the rundown in a BoB Munroesque kind of voice. Now that I know what the Monroe focus 10 feels like, how to attain it, I realize of course I don't need the cd anymore. :)
But here lies the crux of the problem for me. When someone talks about the nature of a focus state, even though they may describe it in objective terms ultimately it remains a subjective experience, until of course you buy the disk to 'try it out', compare it to your own subjective experience, if that makes any sense?
Again...If I were to buy the wave II cd and try it out I may well realize that I've been popping in out of that state all the time. I suppose all I'm trying to establish is an objective sense of what an acceptable 'launch-platform' is. ;-) Once I'm happy with it, so to speak, I'll be comfortable to let it all just happen.

one_each,

 Thanks. About your 3rd point. How do you get your point of awareness to see and move? Sounds very cool!

Thanks again for help and tips :) I really appreciate them!

Cheers,

Steve

Hi all,

I've been having a read through some of the older posts about the WaveII cd, specifically the 'Introduction to focus 12' track. I bought the Wave I cd a few weeks ago, found I can (within reason) maintain a reasonable focus 10 state, but that's about as far as I can get with it. It's a really nice sensation, get swirly colours and the occasional flicker of the hypnogoic imagery and all that, but that's as far as it seems to go...So I'm wondering if any of you have found the 2nd cd has been of help? I know I might sound a tad impatient with all of this, but just trying to be a little pro-active is all, wondering if the wave II might give me an additional prod in the appropriate direction

Cheers in advance,

Steve

Just out of interest I did a search here to see if anyone else has read his books, the funny thing is no returns came up  

Or am I just not observing the fact that they're required reading, no-one needs to post about them?

The funny thing for me is that my copies of JLS and Illusions never seem seem to get tired of telling me something new, especially since I've started to learn phasing they've taken on a whole new dimension! Literally!!

Any-one else read them ?

Cheers,

Steve

RooJ,

Thanks for that Cool website, that one! I've booked marked it, will get reading asap

Cheers,

Steve

mactombs,

The rundowns tend to make me cranky trying to maintain them, or they're too simple and I get bored.

Yeah I know what you mean there, is one of the reasons why I'd been spending so much time/ effort with the noticing exercise. I've found that just letting the images come to me a much better process, rather than going chasing them in a rundown.
 I've been trying the other cd's over the w/e, have to say that apart from the freeflow track on cd3  the others I've not found to be much use at all. I'm still debating whether to go an buy the wave 2 cd, just for the introduction to focus 12...Dunno....yet.
Since I've got a few days to myself I'm going to have a play with a BWgen track I'd been using, using the focus 10 cd as a primer, see what that does. I know ultimately it's down to my own mental state, not what's on the disk, but I still find the overall process of getting to the state, where the hypnogogia is stable is just too flaky. Though I'm loath to say it I think I need to start to keep a log of what I've tried each session and note what works and what doesn't.

Hope you had a good w/e

ATB

Steve

["OH MY GOODNESS!!"]

Stookie,

This happens to me more and more as I do the CD's. I mostly get zapped back because my eyes try to look at it. But little by little I can hold onto it longer. It seems like a different kind of "looking" that you have to get used to. But they always amaze me in how real they are.

Exactly what I've been thinking too. For ages now I've been trying to figure out what Frank meant exactly(In his earlier posts), when he'd say about how the astral would come in to view and he step into the scene.. What with the experience I had the other morning and a similar instance (After a practice session), I think the penny is beginning to drop a bit. Next time this happens I'm going to have to try to stay passive, not go "OH MY GOODNESS!!", kick myself out of the experience...
The really stupid things is if I could do it several times in succession, so getting used to the sensation, then I suspect I wouldn't baulk just after managing to get there...<sigh>

Last night I had a go a the free-flow thingy, on cd3?
Managed to get to focus10 ok, tho I completely forgot the affirmation/declaration..LoL
As for the early morning session I woke up as I needed the bathroom, but rather than getting up I was trying to do a practice...But the body was being fairly instant, saying " No....You need the bathroom!", so it ended up being a bit of a tug-of-war instead

mactombs,

It's amazing how much more easily my mind can fall asleep than my body ... in fact, I think I have good reason to believe that often my body never falls asleep. It's kicking all night, scratching, moving around. It's automated. Sometimes someone will walk in and I'll sit up and talk to them, and then lie back down and come awake wondering what I just said.

LoL...My wife's a great one for that. She'll be asleep in bed, all of a sudden she'll sit up and start talking to me, sometimes in a language I haven't heard before (The weird thing is that it has a proper form and syntax), then she'll lie down again and won't remember any of it. Hours of fun..LoL

I've been doing really well on the Focus 10 CDs with falling asleep. Right after the 10-stage relaxation on the 2nd CD I've been falling asleep consistently. Sometimes I'll wake up right when RM says "One" to end the session.

Wow...That's what you'd call 'really' relaxed! Not very helpful tho, huh? I wonder maybe if you could modify the session somehow to help you stay lucid? Like maybe bounce an imaginary ball, or something as Frank was saying when doing a rundown? Do you just listen to the cd, or do you do the rundown thing as in wave1 guide? Sorry for asking the obvious

Cheers,

Steve

streetey,

Got your pm. As Sarah says go have a good read in the FAQ section.

In my earlier attempts  to shift my focus of attention  it did make me feel somwhat dizzy, tho recently the effects have somewhat eased. I can only conclude it gets better with practice. Let us know how you get on

ATB

Steve

mactombs,

Ever notice when something is new, you almost get there, but just not quite - then the second time around, it doesn't work as well because its novelty has worn off and your mind wanders more?

I've been noticing this effect in the last few sessions, think it has been to my own mental laziness, more than anything. The other thing has been observing the time to get the receptors in the eyes to power down has been getting longer and longer, to the point where RM has almost gotten to the point where he'll start counting back down to take you back to c1. I'm still laying there, going" Hang on Rob! I've only just managed to got here!" LoL. I think maybe I need to be more pro-active in the relaxation stage. What I've found helps is repeating the "Relax...Let go...Sleep" in a RM-esque voice to any stubborn part of the body. The funny thing is that the body as such is really easy to deal with, but as per the previous threads on getting the the fore-head and eyes to relax and switch off is definitely more tricky for me.  

Man, if that energy conversion box worked better, maybe I wouldn't have so much stray thinking ... Anybody find the energy conversion box works for them? It worked for me the first time, but now ...

I know I've only been working with the cd's for a week, or so now, but I find the ECB great, if anything I keep finding new  things to put in it..LoL
I suppose I just made the affirmation/rule that what goes in the box...Stays in the box, until after the exercise.

I agree with what you say about setting these limitations, why they're there I'm not really sure? Social conditioning maybe? You know..."This is the only real world", and all that....I guess it just takes time to break these things down.

Speaking of which, the other morning I got woken up by a neighbor, after he's driven off in his car I was getting back into going back to sleep, but this this time I was particularly aware of all the swirly colours I normally see in my practice sessions. I was looking at an image of what I could only describe as a stick drawing of a plant. The image didn't fade as usual, just stayed there, so I thought hmmm this is kind of interesting, carried on looking at it and after a few moments it changed into a real one, all of a sudden I was standing in a garden, or maybe a forest clearing, surrounded by all this lush foliage. At this point I was a bit freaked as it was full on 3d and crystal clear and got zapped back to the bed. I'm not sure what it was that freaked me out...The fact I'd managed to go somewhere, or the sensation of my consciousness shifting. The only way I can describe the sensation is kind of like the feeling you get when someone drags their finger-nails down a chalk board. I guess I'll get more comfortable with it, the more I manage to do it.

Stookie,
           That's a bit of a worry..LoL There I was thinking we had privacy in your own home, only to find we're in an Astral version of the 'Truman' show! ROFL

Tom,

 Ahh I see what your saying there, in that case I'll be putting the balloon stuff to one side, for the time being, consentrate on the images and getting a more stable focus 10.

Cheers,

Steve


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Yup I also us a portable, tho I ditched the standard headphones a.s.a.p. I don't like the phones, which rest on the outer parts of the ears, spent the extra money and got a pair of the sony 'ear-plug' type. I gotta admit I somewhat baulked at the price of them but they've certainly paid me back in terms of sound quality + the other bonus is that they don't hurt my ears if I lay on my side for extended periods.

I know this might sound like a stupid question, but is there a point to making the REBAL ballon? I mean it's kinda fun to do the exercise, feel the movement of energy and all that, but what gives?

I repeated the first two exercises + the first on cd2, after the session ended was still getting some images coming though, for some reason I was watching this guy, who was sitting on a sofa. He looked like he was watching his tv, got up and changed channels, or something and went and sat back down again. The funny thing was I was watching him from the prespective of looking out from the tv screen... The image lasted about 10-15 seconds, so does this mean there really are people watching us from the tv!?  AHHHHHHHH!!

ATB

Steve

Well then...

Last night I had my first play with the Wave1 cd's, proved to be quite a revelation about what the Monroe focus levels (3 and 10) feels like, compared to my efforts so far without them.
I got time only to play through the first disk, went through the exercises/ introductions to focus 3 and focus 10, made the effort not to try to 'do' anything as such as RM says on the disk just to let things happen, see where it goes. Focus 3 is pretty much what had suspected it to be, found it to be a relaxing introspective state to be in. I did notice that the hypnogogic images kept popping up and there these bands/waves of light were rippling along to the sound of the hemi-sync tones. It was quite tricky to stop my eyes from wanting to look at specifics and just take in all that was happening.

I've got to agree with Stookie I just love doing the resonant tuning exercise also. Since I was by myself I could hum away, didn't matter at all. I thought "Hmmm this is a bit of a strange thing to do, but what the heck, go with it"

Focus10 on the other hand was, I must admit was different to what I had previously thought it to be. Although I've certainly managed to achieve a very similar states of mind when practicing the noticing exercise and WHY, but more than anything else it reminds me of the what had happened the other night, when I woke up early, felt deeply,deeply relaxed.
On the cd, the bit where he says to relax the scalp and let the relaxation seep through into the brain and relax the brain...Oooooooooh that was just amazing, could feel the brain powering down and got this really profound sense of the body being asleep.

Can't wait for the next session now!

Very, very impressed! Really glad I got them

ATB

Steve

Beth,

Ahhh yes, you're so very right there I feel very fortunate and humbled to be able to get guidance from all the wonderfull people here. Already it's taken years off having to studying the mystical texts, to find out how to access other levels/focuses of reality, for that I'm very, very gratefull It's just great to be able to talk about these things, that in general western society still finds a bit...odd. LoL

Oh..My cd's have just turned up! Woot!

Thanks Beth

Steve

Stookie,

Sure, will do I was supposed to get them on Monday, as yet they've not turned up(Now wednesday morning) <sigh>. I phoned the company up yesterday, said they'd most likely arrive today...

mactombs,
               WTG!! I'm glad to hear you're getting results from the cd's, sounds like they will be of definate help<keeping fingers crossed>

The last couple of days for me have been pretty non-productive, tho the night before last I woke up at what must have been about 5.30am, as my sinuses were hurting for some stupid reason. I then started having a conversation with myself <sounds pretty weird> about how to get a better focus10 and how better to shift my perception. At that time in the morning I felt really relaxed, was getting all kinds of colours and hypnogogic images, even a few of those textures I'd been hearing about before people wizz of to the Fz. I was quite suprised at how lucid I was, quite capable of having a coherent  conversation. I was trying to shift my focus, every time I tried I found all I was managing to do was starting to power up the brain. I remember thinking no,no,no don't power/wake up the brain, so I got the feeling that prompting a shift must be done another way. So I just lay there, looking beyond the pretty colours/ images and fell asleep again....Doh!  
Since my wife is away for the next few days I'll be able to practice with the cd's in the evening, set the alarm for about 5am, try to make the shift from here also.

Beth,
You're so lucky to be able to do this 'au-natural', I've never once had a spontaneous/conscious OBE. I wonder if learning this kind of thing is part of my development plan? Hmmmm...I'd like to think so!

Cheers all,

Steve

greatoutdoors,

No probs, here's the link to Franks 'Squashy rubber ball technique'

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1141

At the w/e I was having a play with that moment just before you fall asleep, kinda ended up in a tug of war. It felt a bit like standing on the edge of a precipice, I'd start to fall over, got that fast sense of movement, would pull back to stop myself blacking out.

On a side note, when I woke up this morning I was making note again of the sensations(In terms of relaxation), which I found quite different from even my most relaxed state whilst I'm doing my phasing practice. I wonder if this is because I'm attempting a different action? Still, my cd's should turn up today. I'm not expecting some 'wonder-cure' to my troubles, but from what I've read from the others have posted here, I'm interested to see what effect they'll have as an effective tool to reach a good focus 10.

Cheers,

Steve

Telos,
       Thanks, yep that's what I've been doing
I've been trying to track down why I seem to be stuck at the moment. From what I can gather from one of Franks post there seems to be some protection mechanism I need to address. Perhaps it's a case of needing to review how I've been approaching the whole subject.

Thanks again,

Steve

Ahhhhhhhh,

I can't take it no more..LoL Ok, Ok I've just gone and bought the Wave 1 cd's

No but seriously, I've been thinking about getting these for some time now, from all your posts here and other threads I can't resist anymore

Should be delivered Monday. My wife will be away on business for the rest of next week, so I'll be getting into them big time!

Cheers,

Steve

[not]

greatoutdoors,

Thanks for the sentiment. Just vocalizing my inner ramblings, attempting to get to grips with it all, maybe put a few ideas in the collective pot?
Heh..There's this one loud click that occurs somewhere off to my right-hand-side at about the 30-35 minute level. It's starting to get predictable, so much so I begin to wonder if some of these sounds are a product to knock/test a persons concentration? A bit like a 'beware of the dog' signpost, even tho there is no dog!, or maybe a "CAUTION! You're now leaving regulated 'Mindspace"...LoL...
 It's only some wild newbie speculation on my part...But there are some distinctive regulars that make appearances. I can only suppose they might be just another one of those things I need to learn to filter out.
 As for the realaxtion thing..Did you read the article on relaxation that mactombs posted?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20148

I know first hand about the neck and shoulder difficulties as I've had back troubles over the years, caused by a mild scoliosis(aparently alot of people have this without realizing it). Anyway, when I'm practicing I use one of those pillows that has the tiny polystyrene balls in it, not the regular foam ones. The nice thing about these is that you can get the exact shape you want, can go through the session without getting that uncomfortable feeling of wanting to move. Also have a look at Franks posts about relaxing the eyes and the squishy ball technique, as I've now taken to using this method, works really well. Don't bother with the body at all, consentrate on relaxing the face and eyes and the rest seems to follow automatically.

The thing I've been thinking/observing alot in the last week is what I do when I'm going to sleep normally, in terms of the body/eyes/mind and the launch into dreamland. I tried out the relaxing the eyes thing I use in my phasing attempts and 'PoP!' I was asleep in an instant, so I know that part works...I also know what the shift feels like as I notice the sensation as I wake up in the mornings...So I'm asking the question now why is doing that so easy(sleep), and yet something I'm doing, or maybe not doing is making the phasing so bloomin' tricky!?

Yours, still thoroughly confused

Steve

E3mpirical1,

It's interesting you mention this, as for the first time last night I got a real tangible sensation of being seperate from the body. I was doing my usual noticing exercise, tho this time I was trying out something I'd been mulling over, about how to get the eyes to relax without having to constantly battle at a/ keeping them still, b/ stopping them powering back up if something happened to wander by as such.
 I'd been thinking at what point do the eyes normally feel most relaxed when focusing on something, for me it always seemed to be when I'd been looking into the abyss when I'd gone scuba diving, or looking at those deepwater expanses on the nature programs on tv.
So I tried to recall that sensation when looking into something of that nature, sure enough the tension started to drop away quite rapidly. Then I tried adding/wafting a little bit of visualizing, to try to deepen the sensation was quite suprised that the eyes didn't make an attempt to look at any of the images.
At about that point I started to become aware of a sense of seperation. I knew it was still there(body), could hear my breathing if I flicked my attention to it for a moment, but it felt I was no longer bound to it, if that makes any sense. Visually I was getting lots of swirly patterns and some hypnogogic images.
Unfortunately at that point the Mp3 track I listen to ended, so ended my practice for the day.My usual practice is about 50 mins, but it felt only like 25...
Still I think maybe it was a bit of progress. Still waiting for that 'woosh' tho

Cheers,

Steve

Hey Tom,

No, I've not tried the early morning sessions as such...I'll have to get myself, or rig myself up a quietish alarm...I can just guess what the comments will be from my wife at the thought of getting woken at 5am..LoL.

Thanks I'll give it a go, see what happens.

My attempts last night were scuppered pretty quickly, what with phones ringing and thunder storms raging overhead...But the interesting thing was when I went to bed. Relaxing my eyes in the way I do when practicing phasing triggered the launch into dreamland almost instantanousely. So it seems there's something I'm doing that's getting in the way...Hmmmm

Cheers,

Steve

Frank,

Glad to see everythings alright.

Take care matey

Steve

[really]

Hi Rooj,

I must confess I'm finding the phasing process quite frustrating at the moment, like you I can get to the border in a pretty straight forward fashion and the method in getting there is pretty reliable...But it feels like I'm standing in the foyer of a movie theater, I really want to go in and see the movie, but I don't know how to open the door (So to speak).

Last night I was lying there quite happy in a good focus three (M), or maybe a light focus ten and it just wasn't playing. No pushing, pulling, reaching, or dis-owning the body, or relaxing the eyes would produce any sensation of the shift. Just as I was calling it a day the house was cooling off from the sunshine of the day and made a loud cracking sound, nearly gave me a heart attack...At that point I threw my hands in the air, with exasperation and went down stairs.
What makes the whole thing even worse is that when I went to bed later I closed my eyes, as normal, and was asleep within ten minutes

Wizzle3,

If you've not seen these threads;

What is Phasing and how can I do it?
What are the focus levels?
What is Focus 10? (Mind Awake/Body Asleep)

You'll find them in the FAQ section;

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=46

Cheers,

Steve

Thanks all

LoL mactombs!

Cheers,

Steve

Hi Tom,

Thanks again for the reply.

As far as the exact process however, I tend to look at more as an ability to dissociate yourself from the physical. Like grasping a sense of being completely out of normal reality in both mental orientation or positioning, as well as completely ignoring the senses.

It's interesting that you mention this as I've been musing over the last few weeks about the validity of the waking consciousness experience, given what I've been reading about the fact that we're not actually in the body anyway. The thing that I've been trying/tinkering to impress with myself is the sense these other three focus's of attention are as equally valid, in order to try to loosen the hold that my F1 focus of attention has currently. The interesting thing that's happened with this is that when I've spent the day treating what I'm experiencing, whilst awake is not as real, given the wider scope of reality, is me just perceiving actions and movement within consciousness...Subsequently when I try the rundown in the evening the clarity of the visuals in the rundown at somewhere around F3/F10 (Monroe), is markedly sharper and have thought 'wow! That's an improvement!' The other thing I notice is that my thoughts have a direct impact on what I see in the scene, i.e thought=action, so I can only conclude I getting a bit closer...Maybe? I'll try re-orientating my perception of self in relation to my body tonight, whilst on the border, see what happens

Duh...I seem to have been rambling again

Cheers Tom,

Steve

...suffering FPWS, That's 'Franks Post Withdrawal Syndrome'

Seriously tho...I hope he's OK

Cheers all,

Steve

mactombs,

Yeah I was thinking about the future of computer games and AP combined also, so if you were killed in the game(So to speak) you'd get zapped back to the physical. I wonder if that gizmo that Frank mentioned would be capable of doing something like that?

Cheers,

Steve