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Thanks Almost Mrs Murphy By the way, it's very cool what you did (site, etc) about Patrick. Hope you are well and so him.

Magic.

Almost Mrs Murphy:  I can see now why women drive so bad !! Just kidding... now, do you use Bruce Moen methods in order to Phase ?

Cheers,
Magic.

What does TAP mean ? (Sorry about my ignorance )

Hi Abraham:
                  First of all, welcome to the board . I'm glad that say you "have had several out of body experiences" as you call them, but as you say, they seemed to be just dreams or hallucinations, so if you say that, I'm sure they were exactly that: dreams or hallucinations.
That does not mean that everyone experience is the same, for example, you can say that love is a kind of hallucination or something cultural based on your -very valid- experience and I can say that love really exists.
Tell me, do you believe in what ? In God ? In Darwin ? If you wanna start an "Intellectual Battle", there are plenty of sites out there claiming a lot of things, and I think those are better places if that's your attitude. Please, discard the idea -if you have it- that I'm an idiot trying to convince myself of something that is unreal. I already thought about that, but my experiences lead me to continue.

The problem, my friend is the way you asked the questions. I don't think too many people will have a burning desire to reply, because you made the questions wrong.

You will find here, a lot of people who say that these experiences are "REAL", others -like me- who say that they don't know and another group who say that these are Lucid Dreams or "Hallucinations".

Now I will speak just for myself: I'm an "Open Minded Guy". I'm searching and trying to find out if these experiences are "REAL" or not. If you check out the threads here, there are a few guys who are doing real experiments in order to find out. Yes, there is some proof. Where ? Well, here in this same board or in other boards.

The question is: do you believe when someone says that he was correct when he saw the random number in the other room ? Do you believe what Bruce Moen says when he bring to the real world proof that he contacted deceased ones ? You can believe it or not, but if you believe, it will just be no more than a Belief. Not too different from what Christian, Mormons, Islamics or Atheists believe. If you experience that and validate it, you don't have to believe anymore: you KNOW it's REAL.

So, instead of trying to find somebody to prove it to you, just do a few exercises before going to sleep and see what happens. Maybe you will end up thinking it's just crap, or maybe, you will find out there "there's something out there". No matter if it "Out of Body" or whatever you wanna call it, THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE.

How in the world do we feel the same sensations ?
What are those Vibrations and Noises that we feel ?
Hallucinations ? Yeah, but it's strange that we are making this up more or less the same way. There are "physical" sensations that are undeniable.

So, my friend, I can't reply to your question. Maybe you are right, but I will find out instead of believing.
By the way my friend, what are your beliefs ?

Cheers,
Magic.

dorian, did you try the relaxation techniques before ? Did you reach the point of "Mind Awake/Body Asleep" ? I point this out, because my first mistake in all these things was trying to "get out" of my body, without being in the correct state. If I were you ( I'm not ) I would try to achieve a good Focus10 before going on with the exit techniques. At the end, you will discover that when you are on the correct state, you can simply move like if you were in the physical: get up from the bed and do whatever you want.

I'm saying that but yet, I couldn't get out being completely awake. My projections where always from spontaneous vibrations. But when the Vibes wake me up, I know I'm in the correct state and I can leave my body in any way. My problem is that I still can't reach the "correct state" being fully awake

Cheers,
Magic.

First, if you are in that state where you can't tell where your arms/hands are located, trust me, you are not so far from a wide awake projection or at least you are close to wake up in the middle of the night with a spontaneous projection.
Second, from my experience it's a false statement to say that if you open your eyes you just "break" everything. Yes, you get out of that "special state", but if you relax again you can go back to that state in less than two minutes.
I had the same experience of "hard to sleep" after trying to AP. So what I do now instead of just thinking "let's go to sleep", I concentrate on my breath "letting go" and I just fall asleep.
I really don't know what is all this (that's happening to you) but I found out that that method (concentrate on my breath while letting go) helped me to fall asleep when AP practice leave me too "awake" in order to sleep.

Good luck !

Magic.

grizli: never, but one time I had a mixture between a "Dream/Lucid Dream/Whatever it was" where I saw my body (or at least a body) naked in my bed. He was sleeping with a fetus position. I remember looking at him and trying to wake him up without success But again, I can't say it was a projection. I don't know what it was.
When I have spontaneous, I usually "black out" and end up in a different location. I never had an RTZ with clear sight in my room so... anyway I didn't have too many projections yet . Most of my experiences where short/very short and I'm still a beginner. Check out this experience, it was very short but as you see, if the vibes are there, I always "catch the train"  For me spontaneous projections are like "free food". I never say "no" to them

Leannain: but that sound was like a "RING" or like a buzzing ?

Cheers,
Magic.

Hi guys, yesterday (as always) I tried my wide awake projection, and failed (as always). So I turned around and went to sleep.
I woke up because of the strong vibrations so I started my projection. I was face down and with my Astral Hands started pushing against my bed in order to "take off". As soon as I left my bed (maybe 3 feet upwards) I felt something (seemed like a hand) on the back of my shoulder pushing me down and preventing me to continue going up. I thought: "What the hell ? I wanna go up!" - but the pressure continue there, so I though: "I will fool you" and decided to leave my bed rolling over my body. I did it and ended up on the floor (astral). Then I went over my bed again and tried the same method to take off: pushing with my astral hands against the bed. Unfortunately, this "mysterious force" pushed over me again, so I finally gave up, turning myself over and trying to project facing upwards. Nonsense, the vibes left me and couldn't project
Did this ever happen to you ? To be honest, I felt like if someone was protecting me, and I had a rebel attitude...

Cheers,
Magic.

Do you have vibrations.. did you ever have real and conscious projection.. I mean exit from the body

Yes, I have had those vibes and the ring, but I couldn't project at will because I lost my concentration Now that I'm better with my concentration, the vibes are not always there
I had projected spontaneously, never from an awake state. That's what I'm aiming for.

Magicmac2000,
When you mean empty, vague, could be written better, polished? This is something that I threw together at 3:00AM last morning. I wanted to have a disclaimer of sort and little background. I know that I could have done better. I am planning on recording the welcome message via mp3.

Hahaha I can't believe you thought that Who am I to say that No no no, I meant that it's literally empty !! It's opening a BLANK page in my Word. The .PDF works like wonders and the other docs (inside folders) also. The only document that IS empty in MY word is the Welcome Message. But forget about that. Maybe there is a problem with my Word version.

As I found, its easier to hide behind the text and edit yourself to perfection. But to release your journals via voice narration, it becomes a little more personal. Still, never a less, its not easy and a challenge.

And that's very cool. It's something personal and recorded on the fly. No camera cuts. You have guts.

What journals did you download? Narration or text? So far, what stands out?

Tvos

05-01-2005 Vibrations & Verifications.mp3
And a few more docs but yet I didn't read'em. I almost selected at random coz there's a a lot of stuff. I'll continue downloading more tomorrow and start reading them. I also like the Names you gave to the files.

Cheers,
Magic.

Can't believe !! I was being to suggest you a book and it turned out to be exactly the same as RunLola.
I suggest you to buy it from Bruce Moen's site, as it comes with a CD (MP3 or CD Format) with all the exercises and a free DVD of a LIVE Lecture.
It's not good, it's EXCELLENT !! He uses the Monroe model.

First, I wanna say thanks because you are always sharing your experiences with everyone, helping newbies like me and the BIG PLUS is that you have and open and clear mind. It's a pleasure to have contact with guys like you in this board.

Second, I was reading a few of your experiences and I think you should really have to consider about writing a Book or an E-Book if you prefer. You are so generous that you remind me Bob Peterson.

Third, I'm glad to hear your voice and see your real name, David

Fourth, the Welcome Message in Word format seems to be empty. I'm using Word XP 2002 and the other .docs that you uploaded work like wonders.

Fifth, reconsider the second point.


Thanks a lot man.

Magic.

TVOS: You are right. I'll try to avoid the distractions if she touches me.
About your GREAT experiences and your kindness sharing them, I reply to that on the thread you've created.
PS: I don't use IE, I use Opera and I really really suggest everyone to use it.

grizli:

I thing this PRIMARY or ANIMAL feeling will always lead me to dark and lower place of astral..

I thing I need different approach to fear by concentrating on something higher or subtile more than sexual affection.. like LOVE .. or warm feeling in hearth chakra...

IMHO there is no dark or lower place in the Astral, but I'm a beginner like you, so that's just my opinion. If you imagine monsters, you will see'em. If you imagine an ICE-Cream, probably you will find one. So, don't feel guilty about your sexual feelings. We are humans. Obvious, it will be more productive to concentrate in other things like your breath, the ringing (the sound that you heard) or simply imagining yourself in a different location and trying "feel" exactly as if you are REALLY there. But if sexual content comes to your mind, don't think it will lead you to dark/lower places coz it will. Yeah, that will be your imagination but anyway, you will feel it for real  Thought is very very powerful in the Astral.
I told you "Congrats" because for most people is very difficult to get into that state: Vibes and Ringing. If you have Vibes and you hear the Ring, just keep focused (breath, different location or whatever) and you will soon project.

Good luck !

Magic.

Tvos: Every night I try to project and most nights my wife is asleep at my side and I don't "allow her" to touch me coz she moves and make me lose my concentration. The other night she fell asleep with her hand touching mine. I didn't want to be rude and tell her "don't touch me" so I thought ... let's go with it, I have to be able to project this way.
The really really interesting point is that when the Vibes time came she woke up and told me that she was feeling vibes !!! And of course, I know I didn't move a anything.
Just something strange...

ger: first, I agree and share what Stookie says. In fact, there is a post here from myself where I show my frustration.
I can tell you now that you should hear the Focus10 tape without expecting anything. Hard and difficult as it sounds, but it's real
Not only you should do a rundown and imagine (if you can) visuals while hearing to that tape, but you must start without expectations at all. You won't (at least I couldn't) project hearing to that one, but it will clearly prepare you and your mind to be in the correct state for phasing or aping. So, IMHO is not a waste of time at all. It's like building the basis to get a shortcut to those states.
A tip that was very useful to me, was one that Bruce Moen wrote in his Book: Before even start, relax a do 10 slow breaths where you count to 7 while inhaling and the same when exhaling. The key is to make it flawlessly, without a single pause between inhaling and exhaling. If you do that correctly, you will feel like if you are more "inside you". After doing that I start hearing the Focus10 tape and most of the times I get good results, but when I don't, I simply do as Stookie: "Maybe next session " ... Don't try to reach anything, instead, enjoy the process and enjoy the feeling of being at Focus10. It' Magical.

Good Luck, and don't forget to read the brill ant post my Major Tom that Billion mentioned above.

Cheers,
Magic.

Frank has not been here/active for a while. Nobody knows what happened, where he is or if he'll be back.

Good luck,
Magic.

grizli: just let go. Remember to let go. Nothing will happen. Yeah, that sound is scary but some guys say that if you can "keep it" for two or three minutes without losing it, you project. Anyway, it's difficult not to scary to unknown things. You read Monroe and what he says: "The greatest barrier is the fear itself, the fear to the unknown". So if that happens again, I'm sure the third time you won't be scared at all.
Congrats !!

The best essay -IMHO- about Focus10 and how to achieve it the one written by Major Tom. Here's the LINK:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13644
Yeah, it's long but if you didn't read it and you want to project/phase, it's a "must".


Cheers,
Magic.

Amigos, check out this post...
If that is true ... we have a validation...

Congrats American !! I really don't know what it was, but for sure you are starting to experience what you was searching for ... AP Maybe you started by real aping and then it turned out into a Lucid Dream... I don't know ... hey, what about the number ? Did you check with your friend ?

Yeah, the number was 4786 and when  I checked with my friend it was right  

American, are you sure you didn't know the number ? The experiment that you did is incredible !!!

OBE = Out of Body Experience. For some people, this term it includes all types of "Out of Body Experiences" like Astral Projection (AP) & Near Death Experiences (NDE).
Anyway, with the use and use, the word OBE ended up by being just an AP. So basically OBE and AP are the same.
If you hear about somebody projecting to the "RTZ", it means he projected to the "Real Time Zone". In other words, in a perfect copy of the physical world at the current time. Robert Bruce (I think) coined this term.
Also, if you hear about Phasing and "F2oC", they are speaking basically of Astral Projection but with a different method to "get in".
AP = OBE = F2oC = Focus 21 to 27 (Monroe)

Hope it helps.

Astral Pulse Island is a place where a few guys from here tried to met themselves.
Here's a LINK with the picture. And instructions

knightlight, did you feel vibes or something like that ?

hahah Good Luck Tvos You are "Da Maaaaan" ...

TVOS: I already sent you a PM with the instructions and URL to get the MP3. If you have any questions, let me know.
40 Seconds of Introduction + 14 Minutes of the same message over and over again.

Cheers, good luck and THANKs for trying all these things

Magic.