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Does anyone have any ideas on what the blue circle with sparks might have been? I'm open to ideas, suggestions and your experiences, PLEASE share if you will!

According to the Hindu concept of chakras, blue corresponds to the throat chakra representing opened communication, fluent thought, spirituality, and it plays a role in lucid dreaming (cred. Wiki.) It's generally depicted as a round blue circle in a triangle in a lotus-shaped flower.. close enough, right? I'd imagine the sparks represent an awakening of this chakra.

[Or is it just a projection to the Mental plane instead of the lower Astral/RTZ plane(s)]

So what's the definition of MP then (as opposed to AP)? Is it a kind of Remote Viewing? Is it like Phasing? Or is it just a projection to the Mental plane instead of the lower Astral/RTZ plane(s) (you account sounds like Remote Viewing in RTZ though)?

That's a mental projection by definition... a projection to the higher Astral realms. It sounds like the OP had a typical astral/etheric projection at best.

You're meshing a well known mystical term with a word Robert Bruce has already linked with astral projection... it lacks originality. Change the name in the spirit of creativity, if not for any other reason... just my opinion.

I agree. But to the operator it would be as if they were physically here. If something happens to it the operator doesn't perish, he simply gets another unit. It's really ideal if you think it about it. If you crash your fine. If you get captured you vacate and your fine. You get eaten you get another unit. This is perfect for the exploration of space, planets, other dimensions and their inhabitants. I want one for my self, lol.

Ever seen the movie Avatar?

Call me old fashioned but I like to believe Grays are genuine beings from another location in our own universe.

in 1 of my  dream season i recognize the dream sign and i was aware i was dreaming and in the dream i keep repeat to my self "OK now i am dreaming" after a few second(in dream time) my vision become crystal clear just like real life,i can see my own hand and my leg  and i try to walk around the ground it work after awhile i found that i was unable to move and i was stuck in that position..i feel nervous and then i get wake up in real life.

and yesterday i have another similarity dream too in the dream i can fully control my body  and i have a crystal clear vision but moreawhile the dream scene turn blackout i thought i was awake but moreawhile it become to another dream this dream is diffrent  it's like watching a movie,i can't feel  my body but having a very clear vision.

and what's is the diffrent between lucid dream and astral projection??

sry for bad english..

Hey there. Both your experiences sound like projections... the last one in particular sounds like one I'd have, where you phase from one projection and stop in the 3D blackness before phasing into another.

Technically, lucid dreaming is the label science and Western culture gives to the astral projection phenomenon. Myself and others in the OBE/AP community use the term "lucid dream" to describe dreams where your awareness beyond a typical dream is enhanced but not equal to that experienced in the physical.

A rule of thumb is... if your awareness is equal to physical reality and you are aware of your separate physical life then you had an astral projection. If only one of those statements is true, you had a lucid dream.

Do you include Focus 15 and Focus 21 in F2?

Frank does in his model, but honestly I don't trust the Focus systems at this point in time. I'm not well versed with Monroe's model so I read about his focus levels that Frank associates with his own F2 and they don't really match between descriptions. While Monroe is talking about pre-projection states (ie. trance, mind awake/body asleep, 3D blackness, hypnogogic imagery, vibes, etc.) Frank is talking about dreams, memories, projections where thoughts easily manipulate environments, etc. Maybe with more experience I can relate to the Focus system better but for now it's hard when descriptions are vague and discrepancies are apparent.

The only real distinction between F2 and F3 is that F2 is generally your own private area in the Astral and F3 is public (judgement is based prettty much on behavior of characters in experience.) They really don't say "where" you are or "what" you're doing so I wouldn't bother trying to sort it out. You can project in F2 so I don't see why you couldn't dream in F3. Bottom line, whether it's a lucid dream or a projection it's a meaningful experience to some capacity.

One train of thought is that any projection that happens in an Earth familiar area... your bedroom, your house, your city, somewhere that you KNOW exists on this Earth, is an Etheric Projection.  I believe that's the relation that Astral316 is relating here... please correct me if I'm wrong, Astral316. 

I would say projecting to a familiar location is an indicator of an etheric projection rather than an exclusive characteristic, especially if the projection is close to the location of one's physical body.

It's my belief that a "here-now physical reality projection" (I assume this is how Summerlander defines etheric projection) is impossible without the permanent or temporary cessation of brain function. Again, my belief is that one can only get extremely close to the physical in a projection, so much so that truths can still be verified. To me, the etheric is a bridge into the astral and physical truths are lost as deviation from the physical into astral proper occurs.

This question are guides has been bugging me recently.

As to what to call them, I find Guides is to professional/impersonal. Rather like a Tour Guide. I beleive then we can have people who choose to help, though I half recently been wondering if we can have parts of ourselves that can manifest.

Tour guide is a profession where I'm from. 

I recall asking for my spirit guide on 4 different occasions. I got no response the first time, recieved a cryptic message in videogame form the second time, was attacked by an Egyptian-looking guy the third time, and was attacked by gnomes the last time. Take from this what you will. 

You describe the pre-projection state and made comparisons with the physical (ie. questioned if your dog could see you.) This indicates you most likely had full awareness at the beginning of the experience. I vote classic etheric projection with possible diminished awareness towards the end.

Your welcome.

what can i expect to encounter? ghost, other astal projecters, demons etc.. (just blurting out random stuff). is there any danger of my body being inhabited by things other than me while im gone? also what can i do of note while im there?

You can encounter anyone or anything theoretically. Whether they are genuinely who/what they seem, "shapeshifters", or just manifestations of your mind is a judgement call.

There's no inherent dangers associated with projection.

You can do anything you want with enough discipline... your imagination is the only limitation.

ok i have been looking around this site for quite some time now and i have yet to find what im looknig for. Iam trying to find an exact guide on how to astal and physical project/teleport.

There's plenty of info in Permanent Astral Topics, Astral FAQs, as well as sprinkled throughout the other AP/OBE boards. Look at phasing, exit techniques, etc.

well if physical teleportation is even possible, i think i read a thread that mentioning an eye witness account.

My unverified belief is that the closest you can get to the true physical when leaving your body is the etheric planes. I associate physical projections with NDE's. Others may have a different opinion.

also i was wondering what can you gain from ap?

Perspective, a good time, knowledge, a sense of peace that can be applied to this physical life.

whats was/is your motivation for learning how to do it.

Everything I mentioned above.

how can i differentiate between ap and dreaming.

You will be fully aware (waking reality) while in a projection and you'll be comparing things with your physical life... your thoughts will be like... "Hmm, I wonder if I can move through this wall", "Mom isn't suppose to be down stairs!", etc.

what do the vibration pertain to?

The vibrations are sensations indicative of the pre-projection state.

what is the benefits of ascending to a higher plane?

Perspective, a good time, knowledge, a sense of peace that can be applied to this physical life.

I still have yet to project, but I want to know what exactly is etheric projection. I have heard the term used, but dont know its difference from astral projection.

An etheric projection is an astral projection into what is percieved as the physical world. It usually begins near the location of your physical body and things can appear different to varying degrees. It's common belief that the etheric planes are closely related to the physical world, and the bridge into the more imaginative astral proper.

I think it goes something like this:

# The Physical Plane = Focus 1 oC
# The Astral = Focus 2 oC
# The Mental Plane = Focus 3 oC
# The Buddhic Plane = Focus 4 oC

I too think these translations aren't that simple. Focus 2 oC is described as being one's personal area in the collective unconscious and clearly the Astral encompasses much more than this. Focus 3 oC is described as the other, public part of "Astral proper" when the Mental plane seems to refer only to the higher realms/ highest portion of "Astral proper." The buddhic plane sounds like Focus 4 oC even though descriptions of the Atmic plane sounds closer to what Focus oC 4 is described as. With all this in mind I think it goes like...

# The Physical Plane = Focus 1 oC
# The Astral Plane (private, with the Etheric Plane blending at the low end) = Focus 2 oC
# The Astral Plane (public, with the Mental Plane blending at the high end) = Focus 3 oC
# The Buddhic/Atmic Plane = Focus 4 oC

I haven't gotten very far yet.

I downloaded the same Youtube videos on my iPod, only 4 out of 6, and the beginning of the second video startles the royal shiz out of me if I'm in trance before it starts. It does work great for the most part, though...

I've seen people read experiences and then directly compare them to their own experiences... and when those experience don't match, they discount it as real.  I've talked to a couple people so far who have done this.

Those people need to be educated... but I understand where you're coming from.

As I mention on the page:
Please note though, that I don't believe you should read other people experiences in an effort to compare them to your own.  Everyone is different and you won't find many experiences that are comparable.  So please read these for entertainment purposes only.

I'm curious as to why you added this part. Everyone is different okay but we're also all the same as conscious beings. Relating to something or someone is fundamental to most positive emotions (nevermind the pursuit of objective knowledge) and is certainly entertaining to do. Besides, I read a lot of etheric projections that are very similar to my own.

1. Same mall with same detail
2. ran into the same person who was there as well

Does that honestly sound like an OBE?

I don't see why it couldn't be an OBE. I've projected to places that looked the same as their physical counterparts complete with people that "belong" in those environments. I knew I was out of body because I had full awareness and knowledge of my physical life. If she feels the same about her experience then she projected.. somewhere. Where to is another question. Maybe the etheral planes, maybe a parallel world, maybe a plane that roughly reflects the past of this world, maybe all 3, who knows?

That does sound like a LD rather than a OBE

How so? To me there isn't enough info to go off of because she didn't specify the degree of awareness she had or if she knew of her separate, physical life.

Anyway, I haven't been to visually exotic places yet and although I've felt experiences that were certainly exotic describing them would make them appear mundane.

Sounds more like a negative spirit throwing his weight around (assuming this is a genuine spirit) than an entity with "licensed authority" so to speak. I also don't buy into the "you must face your worst fears in the astral" idea. Okay so you have frightening experiences every now and then (some more often than others) but overcoming your worst fears isn't a prerequisite to move onto the higher planes if you ask me.

I'll tell ya... my last few projections have seemingly been to the RTZ now, unwillingly... and, a few of them I tend to not really have very good body control there.
This runs completely contrary to my "astral" projections, in that I have perfect control over my body.

Like my first conscious exit two Fridays ago, I projected into my bedroom and I had troubles raising my head to look at myself in the mirror and I felt like I had my pants or something wrapped around my legs, as a result I had troubles moving around.  LOL

Any thoughts?

Hey Xanth. How control relates to the frequencies (planes) as they deviate further from the physical is a mystery to me. If I had to throw out a theory I'd say the more you deviate from the physical the less energy dense the environment which creates more freedom in the experience... ie. the more dense the energy, the harder it is to manipulate. However I've had plenty of etheric projections where I fly around in my backyard and have total control. I've also had astral projections where I'm pretty much carried through it like I was awake watching a 3D/2D movie. That seems to discredit this theory and suggest control is an independent or individual feature as opposed to one that correlates to planes as they deviate from the physical.

I suppose you're right, the slightly higher frequency would cause some differences.
Yea we need a solid definition for some of these terms. It's hard to tell though when the rtz is actually shifted out of because it seems to happen slowly. The one big difference that's very noticeable is the changing of night (if projected when nighttime) to day. I guess this could be recognized as a shift out of rtz, But of course it depends on the projection and the projector.. From personal experience the astral planes are usually daytime. (but not always)

For me the difference is in the familiarity of the environment and the emotion of the experience. Etheric projections seem to involve places I can associate with the physical. They're fun, but the aura is flat and emotions experienced are pretty earthly. Also, social interaction is futile as entities (only humans I know personally) are passive or unresponsive. In the astral, the environments are unfamilar. The aura is more lively yet alien. Sensory input is enhanced along with emotion. Entities are more diverse and interactive, places can be more populated, etc. This has been my experience.

I think of energy work as a form of meditation that gives special focus to the body. I sometimes do it before attempting a trance state and subsequent conscious exit. Like any form of meditation it assists in the ability to project and maintain awareness/control.

So how do we go about creating a conditioned response (projecting with the use of artificial vibes) when you can't pair the target conditioned stimulus (artificial vibes) with the unconditioned stimulus (whatever naturally triggers vibes in the pre-projection state)? Classical conditioning only works if you're already getting vibes and projecting. This defeats the purpose.

hmm I've always figured it to be a duplicate, considering it is the closest area in vibrational frequency to the physical. When a projector begins to see reality fluctuations and other unusual phenomena in my opinion they are no longer in the rtz, because the area really isn't "real time". The rtz is just a set of words anyways trying to describe the area, so the interpretation of it is all subjective.

In my mind, it can't be an exact duplicate because then it would have the exact frequency. That can't be the case since "frequency" is a term we use to separate the physical from the RTZ/astral. I'd think a slightly differing frequency equates to a slightly differing truth, however miniscule.

I think of the RTZ as sort of a misnomer so I tend to use the term: etheral planes. The RTZ in its most literal sense, to me, is reserved for people who have NDEs. Maybe it can refer to the closest part of the etheral to the physical? Either way I like to get definitions straight for reasons of mutual understanding. One of the biggest issues with the subject of projection is that every term seems to have five different interpretations so confusion is easily created.