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From my experience, people often experience OBE related phenomenon when they are sick or not feeling well, mainly because their mind is somewhat disassociating itself from the sick physical body.  

Also, when you are sick, it's usually harder to sleep.  Your body is usually relaxed but your mind is all over the place, which is miserable!  This usually increases the chances of your mind becoming aware while your body is asleep, and therefore, increasing the chance of having either an OBE or perhaps sleep paralysis.

quote:Originally posted by RJA
BTW, do stronger vibes relate to more lucidity once you are are out of your body?  i.e. When I wake up with vibes should I try to make those vibes stronger before attempting to project? []

For me, the presence or strength of vibrations are NOT what determine the amount of lucidity that I have during the projection.  As I have mentioned many times in my previous posts, I usually don't even feel any noticable vibrations.

For me, the key to having a strong lucid projection is by doing the following:

1) Staying alert, but calm.  As long as my mind is alert, the details of the projection are crystal clear.  Even more clear than waking physical reality.  If you aren't very alert, the details of the experience will start to blend together, and your memory will be almost dreamlike.

2) Take many astral breaths.  When you're out, concentrate on your astral breathing.  The deeper you breath in, the more vivid and strong the experience is (at least for me).  Also, there is usually a calming affect when you breath, and this seems to stabilize the excitement that you usually feel when you're flying around the place!

Hope that helps.

quote:Originally posted by Zeke88

Whats RTZ? ^^;;;

RTZ = Red Tailed Zebra []

Actually, it stands for the "Real Time Zone."

The only book I read of his was "The Art of Dreaming," and I found it to be very interesting, to say the least.

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

wow if you screaming your bonking scared huh?

No, I didn't say I was screaming.  Re-read what I posted.  I said I on occassions, "I heard voices or screaming."

Hi Tisha...

I know that a big part of the Flesh = Bad viewpoint is from Christian/Catholic influences.  Basically, the flesh represents carnality, and carnality represents sin.  The Bible is littered with these influences:

1 Corinthians 1:29: "That no flesh shall glory in his presence."

Romans 7:5 - For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:5 - "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. (6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  (7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.  ( So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Those are just three that I picked up using a simple concordance.  Back when I was a practicing born again Christian, "living in the flesh" was frowned upon, becaue to do so meant to give into your fleshly desires: lust, greed, sin, etc.

On the contrary, through steady reading of the Word of God (along with fasting, prayer, etc), this would suppress the fleshly man and enhance the spiritual side of man, allowing you to walk in the path that God has ordained for you.

While I no longer practice my faith as a born again Christian, I think the experience was invaluable to me, because if anything, it did teach me to be more spiritually minded and less rooted in the things of this world.

When relaxing, it's common to feel that and any other number of sensations.  However, don't focus too much on your body's sensations.  Instead, try and focus on INNER sensations, like the images that start to appear behind your closed eyelids.

Read the post entitled The Triangle Method here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6762

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

Jeff,

Thanks for the good reply. How exactly does it feel? Is there any seamen? Could you do it in any positions that the physical offers?

I think you're thinking a little too physical.  Put it this way....if being in the astral was just like being in the physical, then we probably wouldn't have this fascination with it, would we?

Sex in your energy body is not like sex with your physical body.  Again, I haven't yet experienced the full blown astral sex yet (where you literally merge your energy with another).  I've just given into some lustful actions and started getting "touchy-feely" with a few people!

I feel the same way.  However, it's usually after a 6-pack. []

I wouldn't worry.  You may feel lots of funny things when you start watching yourself get closer and closer to the astral realms.  It's because your physical body is fading away, and your spiritual body is coming to the forefront.  

Just trust the feelings and go along with the ride.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

Wow I learned a lot from this post![^]

Jeff, when you say you get to excited does that mean you get a physical erection?

I don't know if I get a physical erection because I'm not in the physical when I do this.

However, I can tell you that I get horny.  It's almost like going up to some really hot chick and actually having the balls to grab her and kiss her for no reason.  It's that kind of freedom that I feel when I see someone attractive in the astral, because I know that if I wanted to, I could approach anyone and do almost anything.

This doesn't mean I always do that.  In fact, in most cases, I purposely don't.  And here's why:

1) Most of the time, it's a lustful feeling that comes over me, and I try not to give into my lustful desires when I'm projecting.  Not because I think it's evil or anything.  Just because they usually ruin my experience, and I like to do more productive things with my time then get astrally horny.

2) I believe in a karmic law, and I don't want to intrude or interfere with people without their consent.  As an example, while I have the ability to go up to some unsuspecting hottie in the astral just to grab her breasts from behind, I won't do this.

On the other hand, if there is a more meaningful attraction between myself and an astral entity, I probably wouldn't hesistate to see how it feels to merge energies with it.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

Wow I never heard of that! That must be the best way for OBE.

Is the wind cold? Warm? Bolth?

I never experience a temperature with it.  It's just like a current which takes you through the black void, often at astronomical speeds.

[usually]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

and how u know "feel" when you are going to separate

Right before I separate, I feel a number of things.

1) I have a feeling of what's about to happen.  In other words, I'm aware that I'm about to separate.....then I try to separate and it happens.

2) I have a little excitement go through me, but experience and practice has helped me deal with that emotion.  In the beginning, I would let me excitement get the better of me and kill my experience before it ever really started.

3) I also usually hear an absense of sound.  In other words, I hear something like a vacuum....almost like a sucking of air all around me.  As a perfect example, have you ever ridden in an airplane?  Do you know those little air nozzles they position above your head that you can turn on and off to get some fresh air blown on your face?  When I'm separating, I hear that vacuous hissing sound most of the time.  Only on a minority of occassions have I heard voices or screaming.

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn
i just have to focus on my breathing and dont have to focus on the "images" just them pas my mind?

Well, now that I think about it, I try and HOLD the image in my mind's eye for as long as I can before it fades away.  The closer I am to projecting, the longer I can hold the image.

It may not make sense to read things like that, but the more you try it for yourself, you'll begin to see what I mean.

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

aha man thnx finally, i always saw those "images" if i closed my eyes and you said when you are in 3d blackness stage just roll out of your body, okay....HOW?

Yes, that is the million dollar question, isn't it?  Let me ask you, how do you roll out of bed in the morning?  Do you think about it or just do it?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but for me, the actual separating from the body is the easiest part.  I just do it.  The hard part is getting to the stage where you can separate.  

For me, it's like this.  I used this example before but I'll do it again.  Imagine pushing a big boulder up a hill.  Getting that hard f**ker up the hill can be exhausting (not to mention discouraging), right?

Once you're at the top however, do you ask yourself, "Now how am I going to get this thing down?"

NO!  Simply because once you reach that threshold at the top, the ball will begin rolling down the otherside easily on it's own.

Going OBE is just like that.  It may take a lot of effort and preparation on your part to bring your body and mind to a certain benchmark.....but once it's in the right spot, your separation REFLEX kicks in and whenever you move, you will be moving your astral body and not your physical one.

quote:Originally posted by wizzle

Wow jeff, your just full of metaphores and examples []
quite an imagination []

Thanks []  I just try to break things down as simply as I can.

Here is my mindset.  Every time I lay down, whether it be for a nap or during my normal sleep time at night, I ALWAYS try to do some pre-OBE focusing.  

However, if I am just too tired, or if I know that I have something in the morning which I can't afford to be tired on, I just give myself a few affirmations, telling myself that IF I OBE, then that's cool.  If not, then no big deal.

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

aha but what is better u think themethod of Birm or just concentrate on your breathing (like i learned from someone)

Again, it all depends on what works best for you.  I can't stress this enough to beginners.  

For example, have you tried both techniques (triangle and breathing)?  Which one did you like the best?  Did you find that you were successfully doing some things with the Triangle Method and not successful doing other things?

What you need to do is try a multitude of techniques, and piece together what works for you based on all of them.  There is no magic technique that works for everyone.  In fact, even the Triangle Method alone will not always work for Brim or myself.  There are times when we have to switch things up and try something else to overcome a block.

As an example....let's say I lay down and try the Triangle Method, but for some reason, I just can't concentrate on astral hearing.  This could be because I listened to music right before laying down and therefore, I'm stuck singing this stupid song in my head over and over.

Instead of giving up, I may have to switch things up.  I could either use this song in my head as a way to bring myself further into a sleep-like state....or I could try and discard the thought of the song everytime it pops into my head.

Once I clear my thoughts, I may now find it easier to continue with the Triangle Method.

So as you can see, there is no one way to go about this.  When I am laying down and not really relaxed, I use breathing exercises to calm me down.  I usually don't try Brim's technique until I am calm and relaxed.

quote:
and what u mean with "images" ?

In other words, when you close your eyes (try it right now), you will first see blackness, right?  Then you may see flashes of bright white light, usually after-images of whatever you were previously looking at before shutting your eyes.

Once the after-images fade away, you may start to see colors come and go, like dark reds or blues.  Just observe them and let them pass.

The deeper you fall into a relaxed state, the more these colors will actually start to take on a 2 Dimensional form.  Much like looking at a TV.  

Continuing deeper in relaxation, the two dimensional shapes will begin to take on a three dimensional quality.  They will begin to have depth and shape.  This is a good sign, because it means you're right on the border between your imagination and the astral environment.  From here, you can phase into the astral or roll out of your body.

Best of luck......keep practicing and see how far you can go with the images.  I use that as a benchmark to letting me know how close I am to "getting out."

quote:Originally posted by wizzle

quote:Of course, that is also assuming that you're projecting into the Real Time Zone and not some astral counterpart.

Sorry, i don't really understand that part.

Imagine the entire universe (physical and nonphysical) as a great big onion.  The physical is at the center, ok?  The next layer on top of that is an almost identical imprint of the physical.  It looks almost 100% like it, but it's not quite the physical.

The higher up you move within these layers, the further away you're moving from the real time zone.

This is why sometimes, when you project, you may be in your house, but some of the furniture is moved around, or a door is located on the wrong side of the room.

quote:
I have another question, how come when projecting you can walk on the ground but can go through walls ? I know that it wouldn't be too cool if when projecting you go to the center of the earth being torn apart and destroyed but it's a confusing concept to me.

If you WANT to sink into the ground, you can.  Just as it's also possible to walk up to a wall and not go through it.  Heck, most of the doors I approach in the astral I open with my hand instead of walking through them!

However, if you want to walk through walls, you can.  Usually, when I first touch one, it feels as solid as this computer screen in front of me.  But with just a little push, I sink into it, and I can literally feel myself passing through each layer of the wall, sheetrock, insulation, etc.

quote:
1 more thing, thanks alot Jeff_Marsh for replying to all my posts, you've replyed to all of my many posts (not too many but ya know) and it's been a great help.

Thanks.....But who is this Jeff MARSH guy?  I only know of a Jeff MASH who posts here! []

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

As in, how do the drugs affect someone once they're out? I mean, if they're out,  aren't they not thinking with their physical mind?

Once you're out, there is still a connection to your physical body.  All you have to do is have someone pinch you real hard while you're projecting (or even dreaming for that matter) and watch how fast you come back!

The brain is just like a machine, which translates things from our inner senses into a way our outer senses can relate to.

So in the case of drugs, while you may be having an astral projection while under the influence, it may be extremely hard to control, because there is still that connection with your body (that is tripping out in bed!).

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

Hey Jeff, do you have any stats on when you project the best? You did not say anything about phases of the moon, are you tracking that?

Ralph...

I haven't written that into the program yet.  Perhaps on a final release version, I will add that. So far, these are the stats that it has collected on my experiences:

Best Month: October (14%) with July and September close behind at (12%)

Best Day: My projections have fallen on all days of the month, although it looks like the first two weeks of the month are the best time.

Best Day of Week: By far, Friday and Saturday show the best results for me, with 21% of my projections happening on Friday, and 30% happening on Saturday.

Time of the Day: An overwhelming majority of my projections are in the early morning hours between 4-5:00am.

Best Position: While many times, I am unaware of the exact position my body was in at the time of the projection (because I won't write the experience down until I wake up later on), I show that 21% of them happen on my back.  My right side and stomach are right behind that.

Nap: Only 18% of my experiences have happened during a nap time.  THe rest, 82%, have occurred during my normal sleeping hours.

Sex Prior: 28% of my experiences have happened after a sexual release (intercourse or masturbation), while 72% have happened without a sexual release the night before.

Medication: None of my experiences have happened while on medication.

Astral Encounters: 77% of my projections have NOT involved any sort of astral encounter.  Meaning that it was just me and no other entity that I interacted with.

That is currently all the statistics I keep track of.  If I ever market this tool or release a beta version of it, I hope to have more options to track, like the 'moon phase' and 'meditation length'.

Hope that helps.

quote:Originally posted by MK911
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF i go too far and cant get back ? [V]

I tell ya, that was probably my BIGGEST fear when I first started projecting.  It's especially scary when you're flying at light speed in a DOWNWARD direction, because you start wondering if you're going to SMACK into a hard surface.

One time, I got freaked out because I thought, "Oh no....I'm going down.  Down?  Down=Hell.  Hell!  AGGGHHHHHH!!"

However, the more experiences you have flying in the void like this, the more you learn to TRUST them.  Now, whenever this happens, I do two things:

1) As I'm flying, I reaffirm to myself that everything is ok, nothing is going to happen, and just to relax

2) I imagine myself slowing down, slowly....slowly....until I finally imagine my feet touching ground and my site kicking in.  Sure enough, it works every time now.

Best of luck.....I know it can be scary but you'll start to overcome that soon.

While possible, it is very difficult to affect solid matter when you're projecting without exerting a tremendous amount of energy and effort.

Think of everything in terms of vibrations.  The more dense an object is, the slower it vibrates.  Everything in our everyday waking lives vibrates at a low rate.  This includes your car, your computer, even your body.

So how are we able to astral project/phase/OBE?  In simple terms, you're raising the rate of your vibrational frequency to a higher, less sense form.  This is why, when projecting, you're able to pass through solid objects, simply because your less dense than they are.

Imagine a cup filled with rocks.  If you place another rock of the same size on top of the other rocks, it will remain on top...unable to penetrate.  However, if you place some small pebbles (or better yet, SAND) on top of the rocks, it will pass through.  Same concept.

So in order to manipulate and move a solid object, you would have to lower your vibrational frequency when projecting while at the same time, somehow not end up losing control of the experience.

Of course, that is also assuming that you're projecting into the Real Time Zone and not some astral counterpart.

Congrats......almost there too.

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

okay lets say...im hearing that sound tonight well...i hear it but my mission is to project so how? (maybe a hard question!)

Well, it's easier to say how I do it then to tell another how they should do it, since what works for me may not work for you.

For me, using Brim's triangle method as an example, I would focus on the technique in order to bring me to a certain benchmark.  This benchmark is usually when I see three dimensional shapes and images behind my closed eyelids.

When this darkness starts to take shape and depth, then I know that I am close to projecting.  I'm also aware of my body but not focused on it.  I'm more focused now on the images.

With a little mental pushing, I am able to do one of two things:

1) Phase into the black, three dimensional void in front of me, and project to a location from there

2) I thrust my arm out of my body to test if I can project.  If I feel my astral arm moving, then I roll out of my body and project from there.

As a beginner, I would advise you to try and "watch" the images that come and go behind your eyes.  Don't try and think about them.  Just watch them come and go, much as you would watch a foreign TV show.  You may not understand the scenes or images, but you just keep watching and following the story.

The longer you do this, the longer these images hang around before disappearing.  What is happening the entire time is that you're being brought to the very edge of your imagination and the astral.

Anyway, you'll be surprised at how you "naturally" know how to project once you bring yourself to this level of awareness.

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by T_Kman0610

what if you fall in love with this beautiful (Woman) and dont have sex but you kiss and everything and than it turns out they are a man!
Note: im talkin about when u AP. i wouldnt star at another woman being in the astral world again.

There is no true gender in the astral, but what we project our sex to be. So one minute you can be male, the next female, and the next neither or both. Just like you can project how you want to look in the astral. Most people probably project a similar appearance on the astral to what they look like, or see themself as, on the physical just out of habit. You can look like a wolf, dragon, or whatever if you wish as the astral is more flexible than the physical. So what I am saying is, it does not really matter. Atleast this is my opinion.

Just to add to what fallnangel was saying.....

I can't see anyone ever meeting another astral entity, getting intimate with them, and then finding out they just had an astrally homosexual experience!

From everything I have read (this is heresy now because I haven't experienced this), most sexual encounters on the astral aren't in the same way that we experience them on this physical plane.  There is no penetration.  No lubrication.  No thrusting and pumping.

Most (if not all) true astral sexual encounters are more of a melding of energies between the two entities.  It's a very deep, powerful feeling, and most who've experienced this will tell you that it's a lot more intense than our puny earth orgasms. []

Now, this isn't to say that you can't get frisky with people on the astral much the same way you do in the physical.  There have been many times where I...ahem....saw some cute astral chick and decided to feel her up.  However, this usually results in me getting real excited and losing control of the experience, forcing me back into my body.  That is what happens when lust takes over, I suppose!