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#526
Hi AstralBeginnings
Spiritual progress, specifically advancing 'skills' out of body, does not follow a linear time line. At least not for myself and, apparently, most people. Sometimes it takes weeks or months to process and 'integrate' a new astral experience ( here are a few past OBEs and APs that I'm still trying to fit into my 'scheme of things'). Other times the learning curve is very short and multiple OBEs/APs occur, and are vividly recalled, over a very short time. If this is true (and I strongly believe that it is) then you have just passed (aced?) some type of astral exam by showing obvious skills and ability to transition FAs into LDs and exit into an OBE at will.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#527
Hallo wow
The physical body exerts a strong force on the astral/ethereal body. During an OBE close proximity to the physical body often results in confusion, disorientation and distorted astral senses, including hearing. When I manage to go out of body I usually immediately try to get out of the room because remaining close to my physical body usually will prematurely ends the OBE. So I suspect that this is the reason for the strange noises that you heard.
Also, roaring, whirring and humming noises are commonly heard before, during and after an OBE. The noises are a lesser 'precursor' or symptom to an OBE with the other 2, better known, symptoms being sleep paralysis and vibrations.

regards
Grey
#528
Hallo kelsie900
It has been my experience that OBEs tend to occur in bunches. I will go a relatively long time (maybe 3 or 4 months) with no OBEs at all. And then several OBEs will occur over a period of just 2 or 3 weeks (or even inside of a week). Now I don't know why this happens (to me anyway). The only thing that I am certain about is that if I am open to and aware that OBEs might happen then they are Much more likely to occur. So be aware that this might be true for you as well and the next few nights (and weeks) could be filled with multiple out of body excursions.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#529
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hi there
October 10, 2011, 16:21:14
Greetings Gentle Man and welcome.
You probably Did have at least 1 OBE that day and possibly more. Many OBEs Are very short, lasting for only one minute or less.
Also close proximity to the physical body often causes the person who is out of body (OOB) to be confused and experience distorted senses, especially astral vision and hearing.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#530
Greetings gocloap and welcome.
Sleep paralysis (SP) sometime precedes OBEs but SP is Not absolutely needed for an OBE to occur.
You wrote
QuoteI hope to read about other people's experiences here, and explore the other forums as well.
If you peruse the titles to threads in both the "Welcome to the Out of Body Experiences Forum" and the "Welcome to Astral Projection Forum" you will find Many member's accounts of OBEs and APS (including several of mine btw).

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#531
Greetings Grim
Welcome and congrats on that first OBE. Surely there are many more to follow.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#532
Hallo AstralBeginnings
VERY impressive ! Isn't it strange that sometimes it seems harder to stay IN the physical body then to get out. And no doubt you have had those experiences when you were SSOOoo close to getting OOB yet just couldn't quite manage to leave the body !  :?
I too have had multiple OBEs in one night yet my top 'performance' was 6 OBEs.
btw I think that all/most of your experiences were OBEs (or phases if you prefer). Yet being unable to put any real distance away from the physical body probably accounts for the hazy consciousness and lack of focus.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#533
Greetings
Here's my 2 cents worth on this and similar websites that sell products.
Money can Not buy anyone an OBE or an astral projection. Money Can buy tools that may (or may not) help a person get out of body. Yet anyone can have an OBE or AP if they want one enough and have the patience to keep trying after weeks or months of failure.
I have not tried any of the products at the artofastralprojection website. The only tools that I have used and would recommend to others are binaural beats programs and the Monroe hemi-sync CD series. As with most other things sold on the internet the "buyer beware" and 'buy at your own risk' caveats apply here as well.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#534
Welcome (back) silver---surfer
I realize that sometimes tempers can get frayed and flame wars erupt. It happens on occasion. Just water under the bridge man.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#535
Ssergiu
Yes, thanx man. All of us AV members have been wondering what is going on there. I appreciate your efforts, and Ryan's too.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#536
Greetings all
I just thought of something. Perhaps someone here is also a member of astralviewers and maybe has an old email or pm with an AV mod or admin??  :?
If so we could email or pm that person and find out what's going on.
Summerlander used to be a mod there but he got booted out a weeks ago.
Ssergiu might be a mod???

Any idea on this  :?
Grey
#537
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Strange 'air-dots'
October 07, 2011, 14:24:01
Greetings Ryan
Allow me to point out that according to currently established and recognized scientific fact neither the out of body experience nor the near death experience has any validity outside of the chemical interactions of the physical brain.  :?
If I were to take those facts as absolute then there truly would be little point in being a member here.
Regarding air dots, the current scientific fact/theory may or may not be accurate.
You wrote
QuoteI'm not forcing an opinion.  I'm providing you with the "facts" as found by science.  Choose to take it in or don't.
I appreciate that and your opinion is important to me.
However, in this case (for the time being in any event) I chose to ignore scientific facts.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#538
Hallo OneThousandToes and welcome.
One theory holds that the weaker the physical is then the easier it is to get out of body.
Whether that theory is true or is not, I believe that because you have had OBEs while being awake then you already Do have a natural ability to go out of body (OOB). Waking OBEs are relatively rare. I have read accounts of waking OBEs from other people but have never experienced one myself.
Of course most people experience OBEs while asleep or when half asleep. OBEs while asleep are usually easier to control because the mind/brain is Less engaged with the physical body.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#539
Greetings farmerjaneusa and welcome.
You are correct in that astral projection/OBEs and RV Are very similar. Both are skills that some people inherently possess yet both can be studied and learned by most people. If a person is able to master RV then he/she will probably be able to do AP/OBE and vice versa.
Hint check out the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" forum here first.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#540
Greetings Homesick
Your wrote
QuoteJust a guy from lapland of finland, winter is coming i need to get out to astral planes for overwinter
Very funny lol  :-D

I suggest that you take a look at the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" section. There is a lot of good info there and much of that info will answer many of your initial questions.

Cheers  8-)
Grey
#541
Hallo predatoo
The beginning of your experience seemed like a fairly typical OBE. Yet the second part of the experience, with the castle, trolls, hot chicks, etc -- well that might have been some really 'far out' astral projection or a very vivid dream. I will opt for the astral projection possibility because I too have had a couple crazy APs , experiences that began very routinely and then suddenly transitioned into very fantastic locations and events.
In any case you did quite well to remain calm and not get too excited.
If you find a way to deliberately return to that castle (with the girls and all) then let me know how to get there.  :-D

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#542
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Strange 'air-dots'
October 05, 2011, 22:55:36
Greetings all
I tend to be believe in a metaphysical answer to this mystery. ("Facts" be damned LOL  :-D). I have seen these air dots many times and they appear to have an objective position apart from my own visual acuity. Now of course I could be wrong about this  (as in other things lol  :-D) BUT it Does appear that air dots move in the air by themselves. I say this even though my eyesight is much less than optimal (used to wear glasses) and also I experience 'floaters". Yet I will 'stick to my guns' on this one and go with the metaphysical (= energy) explanation.

Cheers to all  :-D
Grey
#543
Greetings all  :-D
Hope this is the right forum for this thread.
So my question here is about the website www.astralviewers.com    Many of you are probably also members of that site as well.
For the past two or three days the site as been down with a "This Account Has Been Suspended" message instead. Does anyone know what's going on there? This has happened before and was Not well explained afterwards by the admin/mods.  :?

Thanx  8-)
Grey
#544
Greetings Focus/Kyle and welcome  :-)
You mentioned the author Steve G Jones in your intro. I have read many different authors and books about OBEs and astral projection (including Robert Monroe, William Buhlman and Robert Bruce). Yet I have never heard of Steve G Jones.  :? Does he author books or is his preferred media CDs and tapes?

Regards  8-)
Grey
#545
Hallo Alex Anderson
It is always difficult for a person to know whether another person was experiencing an OBE or a dream. One thing I can be certain of and that is your experience was neither a lucid dream or a false awakening. So then it must have been either an OBE or else a very vivid dream. Based upon your description of the events I lean slightly toward the possibility of an OBE yet that is just a guess.
Your experience highlights the importance of becoming aware and lucid in any non-physical experience. Because awareness = lucidity = control. In essence when a person becomes aware in Any non-physical experience, whether the experience begins as a dream or an OBE, then that person can transition the experience into anything that he/she wants it to be. They can make it a lucid dream or an OBE or an astral projection.
With a bit more awareness and control you could have handled the dangerous situation in the kitchen and extended the experience.
Better luck next time.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#546
Greetings GodsProxy
Rather than respond directly to your thread I will suggest that you read a similar thread already started (and running for more than a month). It is titled "Strange "air-dots'" and is to be found in the "Welcome to Metaphysics" forum.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#547
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Re: Phanta City
October 02, 2011, 15:36:34
Greetings  i smoke and drink coffee
I have read this thread with interest and would like to express an idea. This may or may not be relevant, I'll leave that opinion to yourself and others.
Currently I am of the opinion that certain dreams take place on what is commonly called the "dream plane". Now I cannot really say in what dimension or non-physical location the dream plane is located. It could be just another name for the astral plane or ethereal plane or it could be adjacent but separate to both/either.
For a long time I believed that All dreams were only the mental creations of the individual dreamer and that All dreams took place within the individual dreamer's own mind/brain.
So now I believe that mundane dreams still only occur within the dreamer's own mind but that special (epic and memorable) dreams happen on the dream plane, what has a separate and objective existence outside and apart from each dreamer's own consciousness. Hope that this is not confusing  :?
So I posit that experiences in both Phanta City and Lumina Star occur in the dream plane.  Meaning that many/most aspects of both of those locations Do have an objective existence outside and apart from your own psyche.
Now it is quite probable that each dreamer can also create dream characters and other dream objects while on the dream plane. So Shyla and the narcotics that are to be found there may well be creations of your mind alone. Yet most of what you experience at Phanta City And Lumina Star are also experienced by all of the other dreamers who visit those locations.
Hope this is (relatively) clear.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#548
Hallo Whiteknuckles529
To answer the question of the thread,
QuoteDid I astral project last night?
YES, you did!
Or, to be more specific, its likely that you had an OBE, meaning that you Were out of body but did not travel very far and remained in the familiar confines of your room. (Astral projection is usually believed to be out of body travel to exotic non-physical locations that Don't have a physical counterpart.)
But enough of that.
I don't believe you had a lucid dream or traveled to a dark lower astral realm. The anomaly with the light being off is what is known as  'reality fluctuations', which are slight differences between physical and astral/ethereal locations. Usually these fluctuations are minor, as in the case of the light, or for example, an extra window or door being in a room or extra furniture being there, etc. Most OBEers have experienced these fluctuations at one time (myself included). It is really no big deal. So don't let that be a worry in future OBEs.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#549
Hallo kurly1112 and welcome
In addition to the link provided by Lionheart I suggest that you take a look at some of the threads in the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" forum. There is a lot of good info there and many of your questions are sure to be answered.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#550
Greetings The Explorer
Yes, you got it right about Sleep paralysis (SP). SP is the same whether a person is trying to go out of body or is inducing a lucid dream. The reason SP is preferred for trying to go out of body is that it prevents the physical body from moving. Many people fail to go out of body (OOB) because the physical body somehow gets in the way (they open their eyes, or have an itch or roll over, etc etc). SP largely negates the possibility of those things happening thus making it much easier to get OOB.

Sincerely  :-)
Grey