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I don't believe the RTZ is the physical itself or even an exact copy. I think as you move away from "physical frequency" physical truths deviate roughly in proportion until the RTZ blends with the astral. I do, however, think you can explore parts of the RTZ that are extremely close to physical frequency where physical truths aren't quite snuffed out yet.

Does anyone else find when there trying to quiet the mind that they kind of are almost afraid to do that? kind of like almost your afraid you will forget what was on your mind before you started.

Not really, because the intent is still there. Thinking about 'what is on your mind before you started' is probably keeping you from projecting. Let go of fears and expectations. Quieting the mind is the activity of blocking such thoughtforms.

1. 23
2. Yes
3. Approx. 2 years
4. OBE
5. Approx. 5-6
6. Depends on how much I practice meditation, at best maybe twice a week
7. Approx. 30 OBE, too many lucids to count
8. Control is fun but like Xanth said, full awareness is primary... I enjoy the occasional OBE where I'm brought somewhere not by my own intention.
9. Depends on how much I practice meditation. When I don't I get vague, unvarying dreams and at best I get plenty of LDs and OBEs.
10. All the above.
11. Well yea if you concentrate in/on the moment while awake that will carry over into dreams and projections, hence why meditation works.
12. Started having lucid dreams, pre-projection states and projections.
13. I think I'm too aware for my own good.
14. Now I believe the physical world is dependent on consciousness, not vice-versa.

We have no way of knowing if astral projection is what it seems, if it's just a ruse created by a demonic figure, etc. For me it boils down to this... life is a test. You can either let Christianity provide you with unverified sparknotes or you can do the research for yourself.

Nothing spices up my dreams and produces OBEs faster than when I practice empty mind meditation.

My take is that this isn't a dream but a pre-projection state. (I say this because you typically get plenty of visuals with dreams/projections) I get the vibrations with no visuals, you apparently got the visual of a solid color. In either case, the pre-projection state is like surfing. You either catch the big wave and ride to shore or you miss it. Sometimes it's a matter of luck, other times it's a matter of focusing on the sensory input you recieve without reacting. Returning to the surfing scenario, monitoring what your body is doing is taking attention away from the wave.

What you describe isn't sleep paralysis, it's a trance state.

With sleep paralysis you are aware of your body but can't move. With a trance state you can move your body and are aware of it until you move your focus away from the physical. With a deep enough trance it's not that you can't move your body, it's that you can't percieve it. You want this state of mind. People can project from sleep paralysis but they usually don't unless it's a natural occurence.

I think your "vibrations" aren't "the vibrations" that precede a projection, but they are indicators of a trance state. At this stage, don't question things. Just continue the process of going deeper in trance. Eventually you will phase into a projection. Good luck.

I understand perfectly what you're trying to do.

I would be "prompting" the body into vibrations from the feeling.

That's where I disagree. If you aren't replicating the feeling to any degree (which I explained before isn't the case in your feet vibrating scenario) you aren't tricking the brain. Even if you did the quoted statement is still just an assumption as it oversimplifies the process of getting out of body.

If the above doesn't sink in, buy a vibrating recliner with a timer built in. Unless you want to manufacture the device yourself that may be as close as you'll get and at least it'll be vibrating the whole body and not just the feet. Good luck!

So you say I can choose the light conditions?That's great!thanks a lot

It's not so much a choice as it is a random chance of getting one or the other.

In regards to your fear of "astral night" I'll say that the few unpleasant experiences I've had occured while projecting in well-lit environments. I'll also add that night time in the astral can be an incredible experience. Can you witness the beauty of the stars and the moon during the day? What about the bright lights of a city landscape? Work through your fear because you'll be missing out if limiting yourself like that.

O yea and can i listen to like meditation music while trying to a.p? 

Yea, binaural beats like hemi-sync work best.

I just rang up Jeff Dahmer on my astral phone, he'll be over at 2 am sharp! 

I've projected into night settings after sunrise and I've projected into day settings after midnight. In my experience it has no effect.

I'm thinking if your "astral eyes" opened you'd be able to see into the astral. The sensations coud've been a sign of a trance or your eyes involuntarily twitching.

I think of the silver cord purely as a symbol of the force that makes the physical universe our default/primary focus. That being said, the only way to break away from the physical as your default/primary focus is to end brain functioning.

For myself... it's just another case of "you see what you want to see".

I take it you don't believe in a collective unconscious?

I'm assuming the violent shaking is percieved and not physical? It sounds like you were well into a trance and as the party was getting started, so to speak, you got too excited. I'm hesitant about calling what you experienced pre-projection vibrations though.

[But, is it possible change a lucid dream into an astral projection?]

But, is it possible change a lucid dream into an astral projection?
stephen 

Yes, in fact I did a couple weeks ago. I was dreaming I was looking in my bathroom mirror. The image of my face, which is unique out of body, triggered a memory of a carbon-copy OBE I had a year or two back. That brought me into full awareness. So it's definitely possible.

For the second question, focus on the strange feelings and intensify them.

1. Vibrations
2. Full awareness of projecting and of physical life
3. Intent to control

This is a textbook OBE/Projection/Whateveryawannacallit...

So my question is if memory is the key, why dont we see this stressed more than actual  technique???

Does anyone have any good recommendations, besides Robert B., that teach how to remember your OBE's???

I think you're mixing up dreaming with OBE'ing. Some people say dreams are experiences that are out of body so they too are OBEs, or they say during dreams you're projecting into the astral so dreams also are astral projections. So what is the fully conscious experience called that a dream is not? I keep dreams and OBEs/projections separate terms for this reason.

That being said, you probably do dream every night. If you want to remember your dreams better meditation is great. Also in your daily life think in the moment and be engaged in what you're doing as opposed to thinking in the past or future. These things should get your dreams lucid so you can remember them easily, and you may even project if you're lucky.

With astral projection, the name of the game is full awareness in progress. Techniques are for conscious departures from the physical that will result in fully conscious experiences. Memory of the event is usually a give in and if it isn't, the tips I gave above help improve it.

Say that you are the kind of projector who regularly experiences vibrations and it normally happens when you're in a non-ordinary state of consciousness.  There is a memory in your mind and or brain, related to said altered state, of vibration.  Now, even if the vibes aren't a physical sensation you feel them as if they were.  So for all intents and purposes you experiences physical vibration.

Do you experience vibes? I experience them most of the time I project. In my case, they can't be reproduced by any device that would physically vibrate my body. I *think* that's true for most people. Again, I would compare the feeling of pre-projection vibes to sound waves before I'd ever compare them to physical vibration.

Welcome, man.

More or less, I began developing the ability to manifest(which for now has subsided), and I was able to manifest complete positivity, complete love of myself, and complete love for the world in whole. There was a few instances where I had realized, that I was literally a different person, a "better" person in some ways(although I know that to be untrue, we are all who we are and we are all great, as long as we *allow* ourselves to be).

This experience a few months back, I literally just enjoyed everything for a day, or two out of the month - and it came rather randomly as though certain Earth changes occurred, and started tapping into my brain's radio so to speak. I was able to just do anything, walk down the street and just enjoy literally everything, I understood the physical concepts of being tired, dealing with crappy situations, etc - but I was able to deal with these situations yet maintain complete peace with myself and the world. It was as though I was walking on sunshine

Needless to say, I know I am still able to tap into that - it's just that priorities such as school kind of get in the way so to speak, even though I believe eventually I will be able to maintain this view on life and do everything I need to do simultaneously, it's just sort of hard to balance priority and "enlightenment" together as of now.

I know where you're coming from. It's difficult, for me at least, having a spiritual life while engaging in the physical as a young adult. Trying to drag a spiritual "all is good" mindset into the college scene is like carrying jello with a fork. Perhaps real enlightenment is the ability to seamlessly blend the two.

So, I venture from the bar outside to go smoke, and a older Russian(40 or so) looking man comes towards me and just looks straight at me and says "Have you figured it out yet?", now, me never seeing this person before in my life, I'm literally in shock, and I just respond "Not yet but I'm trying.". I immediately follow him down stairs, and as soon as he sees me he walks right back out, I follow him back out and ask for a lighter. As he comes over I ask him "Will I see you again?" he responds "yes", and jumps in a brand new *expensive* car and drives off.

Needless to say I have no idea what he was thinking I should be figuring out, and honestly it's irrelevant to me because I see no point in spinning circles on something someone I don't know says to me. Only reason I bring it up is that maybe some of you have similar experiences.

Yea, actually I do. A few months ago I was at a bar hanging out with a few guys I hadn't seen in a while. I was in the middle of recovering from a very bad injury so I was pretty down in the dumps but not overtly sad to my knowledge. This old guy sitting near me starting talking to me, saying how I was depressed and essentially gave me his own analysis of my life, haha. I doubt he was anything more than that old wall flower you see at the bar that drank his life away.

I have sleeping problems, so I take trazodone to assist me in my sleep. I have a jacked up sleep schedule I'm naturally an insomniac and enjoy the night time. For the most part from 8-21 years old, I absolutely HATED waking up. It's now becoming less of a problem to me. Typically when I'd wake up in the past, I'd feel groggy and it'd feel as though a new day had started.

Now, it does not feel that way - the concept of a day is starting to vanish, and I don't see it as anything monumental anymore, it just represents a marker of time as we know it. It almost seems obsolete in a sense? So more or less, I don't feel any different from when I go to sleep than I do when I wake up.

When I suffered from insomnia due to a drug I was taking I experienced this change in perception. In my mind it went from "day/night, day/night, day/night" to just one never ending day with intervals of darkness. I'm no longer dealing with insomnia so this perception was changed back.

Tonight, I had felt relatively tired, but not I want to sleep tired, more along the lines of I just want to lay down for a few minutes tired. So I did. I laid face down on the carpet, and just kind of laid there, closed my eyes and began to breathe deeply. I've had no training and read virtually nothing about astral projection. As I'm laying there I kind of have this sense of detachment from my mind(physical "conscious", thinking etc.) and my body. So I try saying to myself, let your body operate on it's own it is designed and regulated by the mind to do such, and stop thinking about it. Focus on your soul. Well, it ends up I just kind of laid there, I had one kind of wave so to speak, where I felt as though a cool ocean kind of swept through me over a period of a second or so, and it was sort of debilitating to my mind's conscious, almost as though it was trying to sweep me out of my body.

I was wondering, now that you know my history, and where I stand, what type of methods I should go about to doing this? Also for reference, I don't do any drugs(besides trazodone) and I rarely drink.

Try any method you come across... no method will work for everyone so you just gotta figure out what works for you.

I doubt physically vibrating will help a person induce vibrations any more than physically climbing a rope will assist one during the rope technique. The feelings need to be generated internally, that is why assisting tools are geared towards sound waves in the brain.

This works if the memory is with you right when waking up. Sometimes when trying to remember I meditate and the memory of the OBE sneaks up on me, sometimes in pieces over a relatively short period of time.

It sounds like you overcame a spiritual/emotional obstacle and now you can move on in life with a more positive frame of mind. Congrats on the positive experience despite it progressing from an unpleasant one.

Sounds like you're putting woman on a pedistal...

*edited for language ~Xanth