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quote:Originally posted by Jeff_Mash
The whole "paralysis" thing is nothing more than your mind in a disassociated state NOT KNOWING that it is disassociated, and then trying to move a body which it's not in control over!

My feeling is that if you're in sleep paralysis, then you haven't dissociated. However I need more experience to make a firm judgement on that.

Basically I agree with math's post in that I don't understand how you can say that the eyes are asleep but the body is not.

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Most techniques have you focus on your physical body first, and then your mind.  I'm suggesting you focus on your mind, and your physical body will follow naturally.

I agree, and that agrees with my point in that the end effect of the techniques is to forget about your body and focus on your mind or astral presence which is always there.

My feeling is that we are not actually projecting anywhere as much as we are refocusing our consciousness to an aspect of our spirit. That spirit aspect is already somewhere, so we are not really projecting it.

I do respect it is your choice absolutely. I would deeply appreciate your kindness if you found the time to PM me your channelings if you elect to close this thread.

This is a fascinating thread, I can't duplicate what you felt but it does make me wonder what it will really be like when we truly tap into all our chakras.

I'm especially eager to see what the 3rd eye and crown chakras are like because they seem to go beyond human experience, whereas the lower chakras do seem to have an analogue to normal life.

Mustardseed,

I ask you to consider this: God operates out of love, the opposite of love is fear.

Fear is based on uncertainty. You write that "this channeling *could* result in some rather unpleasant postings." So it seems that you're making a decision based on fear, not love!

If you really are channeling God, don't you think it would be a hugely wasted opportunity if you shut him down because of a few PMs from strangers?

Just see it through, you probably didn't expect it to be an easy ride when you started did you?

From time to time I get 'impressions' of ideas which seem to be hints of what I should do. About a week ago I had the impression of a question that asked, "Would you like to be a channel?" and (regretfully) I decided no I did not because I would feel I would have to type all my channelings out for people and it would be boring.



So... anyway I may have blew that one but I'm preparing to learn it and make up for it.

Thanks again to the both of you, I really enjoy this thread.

I know some people have a big problem with the idea of channeling God, but consider that these answers are very very good so even if you want to prove that this is another entity you'll probably learn something in the process of trying to prove it's not God.

Here are three burning questions I have:

1.) How can we make progress for You if You already know everything?

2.) Do You desire progress so that You will have an interesting life and not be bored? Another way to say this is did you make all-that-is for fun?

3.) Perhaps You know everything but choose to not have experienced everything already?

I ask these questions so I can use my free will in the best way.


Here's another theory as background for the questions which I hope will be torn asunder:

How can there be innovation, progress, and questions if God already knows everything that ever was, is, and could be? The base of this question is that I don't understand what it is for something to be perfect.

If God just sat there all alone watching the galaxies God made whizz by, after a trillion years or so the been-there-done-that factor would start to kick in and it would get monotonous.

God knows everything but chooses not to have experienced everything yet. That's what I meant by a connection with boredom, it's not about human boredom, it's that God would get bored without having friends to have and to watch them discovering and building things.

On the 'mind aware/body asleep thing', while I agree with the spirit of what you're saying it IS possible for the body to sleep, that's what happens when you get sleep paralysis.

It seems like the common thread in all AP techniques is that they have the effect of making you forget about your physical bosy and begin focuing on your astral body.

You point that the body does not have to be asleep to AP is correct, however, since there have been threads about accidentally APing while driving a car or flying a plane.

Oreo, please tell us how you did that and we'll duplicate it then give you our insights.

I think that's pretty much it, however it seems like metaphysics is interested in both understanding plus manipulation. For instance, the telekinesis threads are motivated by the fact that you can actually spin the aluminum foil around.

So maybe it's like this:

 magic = manipulation using 'blind' trust that the spells work

 metaphysics = magic + tying to understand why it works

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I don't understand how magic is different from metaphysics. Why do we have a magic forum and a metaphysics forum?

yombalula smells like a troll.

One trick that goes along with that is to do it whenever you see a specific object, so you associate the two.

Beavis thanks for this inspiration!!

I have tried to recreate your experiment, I haven't had much luck spinning the foil but I have knocked it off the knife 3 times!

What I did was I put the foil thing on a dresser at the foot of my bed. I laid down in the bed, closed my eyes and did a mind blank for 15-30 seconds. I then began to think, "The universe is perfect. I am allowing."

I did that for maybe another 30 seconds or a minute. Then I would open my eyes and consider the perfectness of a universe in which the foil was knocked off the knife. I would do this cycle for maybe 3 - 5 minutes.

The first time I used a single thickness of foil to knock off. It took about 15 seconds after I opened my eyes for it to fall off.

The second time was also with a single thickness, it fell off about 3 seconds after I opened my eyes and looked at it.

I then used foil folded over 4 or 5 times in a square. I tried to spin it but couldn't get that to happen so I relaxed and closed my eyes and thought about how it would be nice if the foil fell off. My mind when blank after a bit and then it fell off!

I made sure to thank the foil for its help, during the experiment I let it know that we're in this together and that its help was appreciated.

I think I just need more practice visualizing what I want in order to spin it. It seems like it's mainly a matter of allowing which universe possibility you would like to select next.

I wondered about that myself. Maybe no one ever met him in person so they don't know enough to identify him.

Try the finger pull technique so that you will be able to detect when you're in a dream.

The idea is when you dream you act the same as when you're awake, so it's hard to tell which is which.

What you do is in the physical pull your finger several times a day to check if your dreaming, if you're dreaming the finger will stretch.

This programs you to do the finger pull when you dream, and then you'll know to try to project.

Wow, that sounds like an amazing experience!

I have lately had the impression that the 3rd eye opens up and down like you draw, not sideways like our physical eyes. My third eye feels like the other people say, like a ball of pressure in the center of my forehead.

Hello Frank,
Are you the Frank that people here are looking for?

Maybe that guy accidentally hypnotitised himself from the hum of the engines during the long featureless flight.

I've read that souls can leave the body before the body dies so that death is not such a traumantic experience. The interesting thing is that apparently people in the physical think the body is still ensouled because the body keeps mechanically acting, its brain still functioning like a computer and responding, and muscles are still moving accordingly.

Could you tell us more about how and why the astral body diminishes?

Thanks to the both of you for that answer. I have some questions that I have not explored with others, maybe I've been saving these for this thread.

First question, what is bad about lust?

Second question, is there a connection between boredom, free will, and evil?

Here's my theory: without free will, we could just think positive loving thoughts and there would be no evil. Would that be boring?

If so, is that why we have free will: to explore evil? Does that mean that the purpose of free will is to be evil a least for the sake of seeing what it's like?

I'm not asking for your signature on this, I'm hoping you'll blow it out of the water and give me a whole new way of looking at things.

I apologize for being persistent but I really want to know, can you tell us how you learned to channel and something about the method you use?

Can you tell us how you learned to channel and something about the method you use?

I think I can sort of relate to what you mean by coloring the channeling with your own personality when the questions are similar to what you want to know or already believe.

It seems like it's similar to having a normal conversation, where people color and interpret things the other person says based on their belief system. I would guess that in channeling it's a more pronounced version of that?

I think it's interesting that God never capitalizes 'me', yet he types 'LOVE' in all caps.


How is this channeling being done? How can we do it?

jc84corvette,
I can't find the thread about APs while driving. That sounds a little hard to believe, do you remember the thread name?

Fat_Turkey,
I'm subscribed to this thread so if you AP on a plane at any time in the future please post back here!

Leyla,
You're more knowledgable about the Bible than I am, if it's true about impersonal angels I think it's too bad because I don't like things that separate people. Anyway it's good that you've got both the spiritual and physical beauty thing going on!

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