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I'm pretty much all over the map when it comes to music.  I listen to anything from mellow stuff (Jack Johnson, Radiohead, etc) to really hard stuff (Mudvayne, Slayer, Marilyn Manson, etc).

The main music genre that I like is Rock/Alternative.

Yesterday, I just bought two Dave Matthews CD's, since I never really heard any of his songs before (believe it or not).  They're really good.

Welcome back!

quote:Originally posted by purelight
My question is why i returned back?

There could be many reasons why a person returns back to their body when they are in a projected state (the main one probably being a lack of mental control and discipline).  If you get too excited, scared, or any other surge of emotion starts flowing through you, this could end the experience if you're not used to dealing with these things while "out."

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And what do you think about my technique to have an obe? I relax very good my body and after is very heavy or light and my mind also VERY calm. I do that for one hour and half is that enough?

Your technique itself sounds good, since you're accomplishing the main obstacles that one must overcome in order to project (being relaxed, passive, etc).  However, I would say that 1.5 hours is a long time to try and relax.  Perhaps you have more patience than me, because there is no way I could try a technique for that long.

Usually, if I can't relax or obtain the desired level of focus within 30 minutes, I roll over and go to sleep.  I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing, mind you.  However, I know that some people try and force something to happen, and they end up getting discouraged if they invest a lot of time into something and then see no return on their investment.  

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I try to do it for more hours but i feel i can't stay more like that without moving. Is this wrong and i should push my self to practice more hours?

You know, there isn't one right way to do this.  What works for you may not work for me, and vice versa.  One of the most important things about learning to project is to KNOW YOURSELF.  When you are relaxing and trying to get to a certain pre-OBE focus level, pay attention to what works for you.  You may be a more visual person and focus on visual techniques, whereas someone else may focus on the ringing in their ears to accomplish the same thing.

Likewise, you may NEED to spend 1.5 hours to help yourself grow in these areas.  Others may only need 15 minutes.  It all depends on the individual.

And one more thing....if you're trying to relax and you feel like moving, then move.  Don't make the mistake in thinking to yourself, "Gosh, I've already been laying here motionless for 30 minutes, and if I move, it will wake my body up and everything I've already done will have been a waste of time."  THIS IS NOT TRUE!

Getting up and moving can be a good thing for two reasons:

1) It removed the distraction from your mind.  Think about it.  What's easier: laying motionless while you have an itch that you purposely don't scratch, or scratching it, and then going back to your relaxation?  If you need to move, then move, adjust, or stretch, and start over.  The benefit is that you'll get back to where you were faster than it took you to get there before.

2) I forgot reason number two. []

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Am i on the right track? Since then i still do meditation but i get no vibrations beside some swaying and expanding feelings after 1 hour.
Please tell me what do you think and sorry for this be too long [:I]

Again, it all depends on the individual.  For ME, one hour is too long.  For YOU, it may be just right.  It's all about knowing yourself and what works for you.

And remember, don't look for the vibrations.  You may never, ever feel them.  I don't.  Instead, just be passive and watch the thoughts and images that come behind your closed eyelids.  Don't focus on them.  Let them come and go.  The longer you do this, the longer the images remain in your field of vision.

Then they will take on a three dimensional quality.  If you can get to this stage, then you're right at the door of projecting!

Hey there......

I think what you suggested is going a little overboard (not in a bad way....just real tedious for people).

First off, I think the obvious step to take would be to not reveal any details of your encounter that you want verified.  As an example, let's say I hang a picture up on a wall.  I may tell you where to look for it, but I won't say what the picture is.  That way, whoever reports back the accurate picture will be proof that there was a connection.

"That's well and good Jeff, but how do the rest of us know that person A who hung the picture isn't lying by agreeing with person B?"

This is where your idea could come in. However, instead of zipping your account into a ZIP file with passwords, you could simply just write it down in a text file (using Notepad, Wordpad, Microsoft Word, etc) and save it.  By saving this file, it leaves a time stamp of when the file was created and the last time it was edited.  Simply by sending this file to people, you could prove that it was written BEFORE person B verified your picture.

Of course, using tools and some programming skills, one could alter the timestamp of a file, but I'm assuming most of us here who are serious about the API wouldn't do such a thing.

First off, congrats on your experience!  That is awesome!  Now I will address your question:

quote:Originally posted by YoungBonzi
Does anyone know why everything remained black under my eyelids.  I could not see my environment.  I  could hear and 3D and felt like I could orient myself with my ears but what's up with not being able to see anything.  After the pattern that hits me with the onset of the vibrations everything goes black.

It is not uncommon to project and not see anything.  In fact, this was my biggest problem for almost a YEAR!  I know, I'm a slow learner!

You may find that in a lot of your projections, immedietely after separating from your body, you are in a black void.  You can FEEL your surroundings, but you can't see anything.  Here are some things you should do to fix that annoyance:

1) Move away from the vicinity of your physical body.  Even though you can't see anything, you can feel your way around.  For example, I usually stumble forward with my astral arms outwards until I feel my door.  I then make my way down the hall of my house and my vision slowly kicks in then.

2) Take a few astral breaths.  With each breath that you take in, feel yourself becoming more lucid, and imagine your vision kicking in.  This seems to work 100% of the time for me, because it relaxes me and takes my mind off the blackness long enough to let my natural astral sight kick in.

3) Demand to see by mentally affirming, "Clarity now!"  The astral is a place influenced by thoughts, and by declaring your intent to see, you can usually force your vision to kick in.

All three of these techniques have worked for me in the past, but I consitently use number two the most.  Taking in a few relaxing astral breaths not only calms me down, but it seems to make things not seem so "rushed" and the experience lasts longer.

Let's face it, most of us wish these projections lasted a lot longer than they do.  We either become too excited, too frustrated, or too tired to maintain any form of lucidity.

Hey Goku...


I echo your sentiments.  The forum has definitely grown exponentially since a couple years ago when I joined.  Fortunately, if you don't let the size of the place discourage you, you'll see that it's not super hard to keep up with things.

For example, there are a billion forums on here which I almost never look at (all the Religion forums, the Psi & Energy forums, etc).  I mostly still to the Astral ones (Astral Consciousness, Astral Chat, Astral Experiences, etc).

Anyway, I welcome you back and look forward to your posts.

Hey there Arc....

I'm an old time poster who used to come here a lot in the past, but I was gone for awhile.  Now that I'm back, I look forward to reading your posts.

It sounds to me like your 3rd Eye chakra is really active.  It's an energy center located in between the eyes, and when active, it can feel like everything you describe.  

Mine feels like it's pulsating/spinning, and often, it gives the sensation that a finger is about to poke out of my forehead (not in a painful way...but you definitely feel the pressure).

Do a google search for Chakras and read about the 3rd Eye to give more detailed information.

Hi Birm,

Thank you for clarifying what I previously said.

quote:Originally posted by Birm
A wandering mind is not a bad thing in my opinion. Because the wandering mind deepens the trance state automatically.

This is what I meant to say, and you corrected it for me.  When I was warning about a wandering mind, I didn't mean to suggest that it was a bad thing.  However, I think it's important that as your mind wanders, you "stay with it" and watch where it takes you, as opposed to losing interest and falling asleep.

I have only had sleep paralysis on a couple of occassions, and both happened after a nightmare.

If you ever wake up in the throes of sleep paralysis, I would advise you to relax as much as you can.  Those who try and fight it will only get more aggitated and frightened.  Those who accept it for what it is and relax can easily turn the situation into an OBE.

If you don't want to project, but instead, you would rather get out of the paralysis, many suggest you try and wiggle your big toe.  This allows you to concentrate on a little part of your physical body, diverting your attention away from the paralysis for just enough time to break it.  Otherwise, the paralysis will eventually subside in 10-20 seconds.

Keep it up!  Sounds like you're getting somewhere.  You're on the right track when it comes to focusing on the blackness behind your eyes.  

Just make sure you right these experiences down.  That way, you can look back on them and see what things you may have done which worked out for you, and what results you got.

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

If you went to a website what questions would you most likely want answering? imagine you're just starting out and you're searching the net. What types of questions would you have?

I guess that would depend on what website I was going to.  If it were a medical website, I would wonder why one of my testicles is slightly larger than the other.  If, on the other hand, it were a website about OBE's, then I would wonder what books people recommend. []

Hey there WannaLearn,

I am not trying to speak on Birm's behalf, but instead, I will answer your questions the way I see them:

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn
1.i am an beginner i willing to try to go projecting is your technique good for beginners?

Yes, the technique that Brim mentions is something that everyone can try (beginners and experienced projectors alike).  There is nothing really complicated about it, and the hardest part you'll find is trying to stay focused, because your mind will want to wander to other things.

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2.is the seperating part scary?

That depends on the individual.  For me, I never have scary separations.  However, you may want to read more about "Phasing" in this forum.  When you phase into the astral environment, it's almost like melting right into it.  Imagine yourself being lowered into a pool of water.  Now imagine that you aren't being lowered feet first, but instead, you're being lowered face first.  You just kinda "step into" the astral environment and become a part of it.

However, like I said, I usually just roll out of my body and then explore the astral from there.....and it's ALWAYS an exhilirating, positive experience.

The only thing scary are the things you convince yourself to be scared of.  If you remind yourself that this is going to be fun (just as a rollercoaster is fun [but scary to the observer]), so is projecting into the non-physical realms.

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf
Were Adrian and Nita actually there at this time, what do you two have to say about this one?

Yes, even if they don't consciously remember the experience, I would be curious to know what they may have been doing around that time.  If they were sleeping, or thinking about the API, I could conceive that there may have been some interaction with them on a deeper, subconscious level.

I say this because I've had many projections where I have had conversations with family members in my house when, in reality, they were not physically there.

quote:Originally posted by wizzle

I'm very new to this kind of stuff, i recently just heard of Astral Projection. I knew of lucid dreams and OOBE's though. I was wondering if anyone has Astral Projection naturally, and how long it took other people to acheive their first one.

Days?
Months?
Years?

thanks

Most, if not all of us, don't find OBE's/AP's a piece of cake.  In my case, I experienced my first conscious projection when I least expected it.  It happened in the middle of night after I was reading a book on OBE's.  I didn't consciously do anything to make it happen.  It just did because I BELIEVED they were real, and I BELIEVED that even I could experience one.

After my first, I started to practice perfecting them.  Sometimes, I am really good and have 3+ projections a week.  Other times, I go MONTHS without nothing!  My goal is to have these at will, whenever I want.  But so far, it's been almost 5 years since my first projection and I'm still working at it (which all of us here are doing).

Even those who can have them at will, I would venture to say, did not achieve this skill without a lot of hard work, dedication, and patience.  Just continue to read and be a part of this forum, and you'll find your inner spiritual man becomes more fulfilled (and your progress with OBE's/AP's will move forward).

quote:Originally posted by Murt

I have a question for more experienced people than I am, but I would like to know how looking affects the inner planes?.
For instance if a person were to look at, say, a picture of a car, every day for a month, is the car created on the inner planes?.

All thought is creative energy.  This is why the people of this forum have consciously decided to create a place in the astral where we can all meet (the Astral Pulse Island).  There have already been accounts from people who have gone there and verified there findings to the rest of us.

The way I see it, our thoughts go out from us into the non-physical realm where it proceeds to thrive and do what it was sent out to do.  This is why, while OBE/AP/Phasing, if you were to THINK about something, you can influence your environment and make something come to pass (ex. thinking about something attacking you, and then it really happens).

Thoughts may only seem like thoughts on this plane, but they are more powerful and creative than most people realize, which is another reason I always encourage those around me to stay positive and be optimistic in EVERYTHING you do.  Don't get discouraged if you havenn't projected yet.  Just know that you WILL soon.  Don't be discouraged about a life situation.  Just KNOW that it's all going to work out in the end the way it's supposed to.

Sorry, I'm getting off track here!

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The Picture is a symbol, which they say, symbols are directly connected to the things they represent, so in time, the car would be brought into physical reality?

While I subscribe to the theory that "anything is possible," I think manifesting a physical object from a non-physical place is highly unlikely.  

This is not to say that non-physical things can't influence or manifest us in our lives.  A person who is always fearing a sickness is usually one who always gets sick.  Their thoughts go out from them and bring back unto themselves the very thing they expect.  In this respect, a non-physical thought can become a reality to the person.  This is because we as spiritual beings are INFLUENCED by non-physical energies.  However, to manifest a non-physical energy into something physical (like an object), that would take some serious undertaking which I can't even begin to comprehend.

quote:Originally posted by Adrian
To reach Astral Pulse Island you ideally need to be focussing on Astral projection or phasing rather than OBE.

Adrian....one thing I've never seen asked before is, "Do you think one could exit the physical body via OBE, and then phase into the astral?"

I bring this up because I believe I may be doing this.  Usually, when I separate from my body, it's in the traditional OBE sense (feeling of a physical separation, somewhat hard to control, etc).  It is also at this point that my vision is usually black.  Some call this 'the void' and use it as a springboard to go anywhere they want.

In this void, which one gets to via an OBE separation, if one were to concentrate on the API and successfully get there, wouldn't that be a perfect case in point of an OBE turned AP?  

You see, even though I use phasing techniques to bring me to a projection state, I almost always "roll out" of my body into a dark environment (void), and then project from there.  So it seems like I'm doing the same thing only it's preceeded by a physical separation process.  Does this happen with anyone else?

I always thought that would be cool, but I never knew who was in my area.  I'm pretty far from you though. I live in Northern California, in a city called Tracy.

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

Amazing experience... thanks for sharing!

Keep up the good work!

I notice you keep a journal. I am considering this both for APs and for more normal 'dreams', as I have noticed that even with strikingly real obes, after a few days the memory begins to fade and you lose a lot of the experience. Right now i can recall some basic details of several of my best obes but the 'essense' doesnt seem to be there, I think a journal would help preserve that.

Douglas

Hey Douglas.....I actually wrote a computer program which I use to record these experiences.  It then will calculate (based on past experiences) certain statistics, like which days of the week you've had the most projections, what time, which month, etc.)  I was eventually going to sell it (for only like 10 bucks or something), but right now, it's still in a BETA mode.

If I get some time to clean it up, I could let you use it (and you could report any bugs at the same time).  It's really a good tool to keep track of your experiences and help you look at your progress.

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Hey,

Did anybody else experienced some kind of wind or current while OBEing?
Sometimes, I would just lie down and then some kind of wind would appear and blow me out of my body.

More often than not, the wind pisses me off.  I don't have too many problems with it anymore, but it was a pain in my a** when I was first starting out.  

I think the astral wind could be made up of two things.  One, I think a big part of what we call the astral wind is nothing more than a lack of control in the astral.  For example, once we separate, as beginners, our mind goes all over the place with excitement, wonder, fear, etc.  Since everything is propelled by thought in this environment, we experience a sweeping and pulling in certain directions.

Another explanation for the wind is that it has an intended purpose, designed to take you somewhere specifically.

However, more often than not, it's just served to ruin my experience because I feel like a feather in the middle of a tornado.

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Also, sometimes, my "astral head" cannot seperate easily as the rest of the body...  I usually end up twisting my "astral body" like you would tear a branch off of a tree...  It works but, could this be harmfull?  Would you have a better/easier/safer way to do it?

No, that wouldn't be harmful.  While I don't really get stuck "at the head", I almost always TWIST out of my body by rolling to one side.  This usually pries me free from the physical if I'm having trouble separating.

Brim....just wanted to thank you for posting your experiences with the API.  I continue to find encouragement in your posts.  I don't know if you read my attempt to reach the API, but I'm definitely getting closer.  I think my astral navigation is a little off right now, because I ended up going to some pyramid in Peru!

You can read it here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7760

quote:Originally posted by greatoutdoors
So you're saying the dog bark I heard could have been an indication I was actually getting somewhere?! That would be great!

A lot of beginners get discouraged because they try to project, and then when "nothing" happens, they feel like they're just wasting their time.  

However, GreatOutdoors, you are realizing a very important point.  Every time you practice projecting, and every exercise you do is only bringing you CLOSER to success.  It may not SEEM like it, but you must believe it.

For example, you may lay down and after practicing a few OBE relaxation exercises, you begin to see some cool hypnogogic imagery.  However, if that is all you see, then smile and know that you're getting better and better in developing your technique.  I think too many people would discount the hypnogogic stuff and feel a sense of failure for not feeling vibrations, or separating from their body.

So yes, the dog barking you heard was a good thing.  You may not have had a full blown OBE, but you are making contact with that part of your subconscious which is navigating you to the threshold of having a fully conscious OBE!  Keep it up.

Wizzle....

For me, there is a very subtle transistion that I "feel."  It's almost as if you wake up and your body is completely numb.  When this happens, I imagine rolling out of my body, just like a person would roll out of bed when he gets up in the morning.  

When I do this, I start to feel myself astrally roll out of my body.  I then feel the ground beneath me, the walls around me, and anything else just like normal.  I usually have to thrust my hand through something solid to convince myself that I am not really doing this in my physical body!

So to answer your question, you just "know" when you are out.  I would say that you should read about OBE's before going to bed, and after you set your book down, begin some exercises to prepare your mind for one.  Keep reciting to yourself that when you wake up in the middle of the night, you WILL have an OBE.  Then, when you do wake up, don't move, but stay relaxed and imagine your body all numb and passive.  You may start to feel a vibration when you do this.  Just mentally imagine rolling out (or sitting up) in bed, and observe any sensations that you feel.

Then let us know how it goes!

Whenever my eyes feel too tense, do you know what I do?  Of course you don't, so I will tell you!

I simply leave them open.  For example, if I am laying in bed, trying to work on some relaxation/projection exercises, if my eyes are bothering me (because they are flickering, or they have a lot of pressure in them), I leave them open and just stare into space.

This helps if you're in a dark room, although I don't see why this wouldn't work in the daylight.  You just stare straight ahead.  Don't stop yourself from blinking.  And don't stare intently.  The point is not to FOCUS but to RELAX.  After a few minutes, your eyes may start to feel heavy, and then when you close them, a sense of relief almost comes over you, and they feel 100% more relaxed.

At least, this is what works for me.