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#551
Greetings Army of One
You are making good progress. Remember that most people need to keep trying for several days or weeks or more. Next time might be the charm (= success = OBE). Or the time after that (or the one after that). So keep trying, stay focused during each attempt and remain positive. You will get there!

Regards  8-)
Grey
#552
Hallo Pi-rate.
Yes lucid dreams are special experiences. As you must be well aware there are many ways to become lucid in a dream. Inducing a LD from the waking state is probably the Hardest to do. I have never managed to do that though I Have become lucid in several dreams after recognizing something that was incongruous and Way out of place which quickly triggered awareness that "This is a Dream !".

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#553
Greetings mistrkeri
The movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats" is a humorous look at the Real CIA remote viewing program. This program began in the 1980s and used special psychics, called remote viewers, to psychically spy on the Soviet Union (and other potential enemies). Some of the people in that CIA program are now very well known, especially Courtney Brown, Colonel John Alexander and Joe Mcmoneagle.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#554
Hallo Gummage
You asked
QuoteHas ANYONE been able to do this? seems no one ever can.

I can confidently say that the answer is Yes. Some people Have managed this. At least going by the posts written by these people who have claimed to have done it. One such person is David Warner, aka The voice of silence (TVOS). TVOS is a member here but he does post much anymore. He Does have his own website at www.invisiblelight.us So I suggest you go there and try to contact him for further info.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#555
Greetings i smoke and drink coffee
From your description of the experience it appeared that you woke up several times Within the dream itself (?). Meaning that you did Not actually wake up in real life(?) If so then those would have been a series of false awakenings.
I must agree somewhat with Lionheart in that your pre-sleep fears and anxieties seem to be heavily influencing your non-physical experiences. My advise is to try to remember to do a reality check (RC) in any situation that is too dramatic or violent to be a normal waking life situation (eg dream, nightmare, OBE). If you can become aware of a non-physical experience, such as a nightmare or false awaking, then you can take control of that experience. And that would be the key to ending those very negative experiences.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#556
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Alexecka Here!
September 18, 2011, 15:47:15
Greetings Alexecka and welcome.
Many new members arrive here without having experienced an OBE. And many people that stay here awhile eventually Do have their first OBE. Let's hope that you will be one of those people.

Cheers  8-)
Grey
#557
Hallo Simpac
We have already 'talked' as it were in one of your other threads. But here let me formally say hallo and greetings.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#558
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: I'm new
September 18, 2011, 15:43:05
A very belated greetings and welcome iscott.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#559
Hallo blis
Right, neither had I. Maybe (probably) this was a very recently coined word. Scientists are always making up words to describe effects and phenomena. At least nocebo makes sort of sense.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#560
Greetings all.
I've just come across a fascinating article on Sleep Paralysis. Here is the link

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/

This is well worth your time to read.
The article was posted in the www.coasttocoastam.com  >> 'Articles'  >> 'In the News Section' for September 17.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#561
Greetings and welcome Simpac
Above Top Secret Is an interesting website. (I'm not a member but I do 'lurk' there and read posts now and again.) However, OBEs and astral projection are Not the main focus of that site. (That site is SO BIG that there is probably No main theme there  :wink:). So the discussions of OBEs and APs tend to be a minor side issue with only a relatively few posts there. Also there are many true skeptics and close minded debunkers there ready to opine that an OBE was only a dream or a trick of the senses.
That is Not the case here. OBEs and APS Are the main theme here and are given the proper respect, especially because many or most of the members  (myself included) have had OBEs.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#562
Hallo Astral316
So, maybe I missed something in your post, but   .... have you checked what card is actually lying face down on your desk?  :? If you went to the trouble of going through with the experiment while OOB then don't you want to know if the experiment was a success, yes? I'd like to know, anyway. :-)

Regards  8-)
Grey
#563
Greetings AstralBeginnings
I agree with c0sm0nautt, that Was a Cool experience.
I also like false awakenings (FAs). A FA challenges the very core belief that a person knows whether he/she is awake or dreaming. After experiencing a FA it is not so easy to take that for granted. Having had many FAs before is one reason why I now perform Reality Checks (RC) several times a day. I like to term RCs "State Tests" (as in what State of consciousness am I now in). The idea is to make RCs a habit and then perform one during a dream, thereby becoming lucid.
btw I once had 3 FAs in one night and all three FAs soon led directly to an OBE. So it is possible to convert a FA into either an OBE or a LD.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#564
Greetings Army Of One.
Regarding your questions.
Question. # 1. I am generally in agreement with Ryan here. Theories and concepts are fine as far as it goes for general info. Yet focusing on How-To methods is much more important, especially for a person who is not experienced at OBEs.

Question #2 Going out of body is a Mental practice. The physical body is best asleep, or in trance or in deep meditation. This way the excitement of going out of body has minimum effect on the physical body. Anytime the focus is brought back to the physical body, for whatever reason, it is highly likely that the process of going OOB will be aborted or an already happening OBE will quickly end.

Question # 3 Strange noises, especially whirrings, rushings and roaring sounds, are actually Very common occurrances, usually just before an OBE begins. So there is nothing to be alarmed about. These unusual sounds, along with vibrations and sleep paralysis, are common and accurate signs that an OBE is about to occur.

Regards
Grey
#565
Greetings ryan1337
The school that you have heard about could be one of these three possibilities --
1) Seminars by any or more of these authors  -- Robert Bruce, William Buhlman, Bruce Moen. (or the Monroe Institute in Virginia.)
2) The online classes at www.gnosticweb.org or www.astralweb.org   Note that the last time I checked both of these sites were Down.
3) Or the OBE reports by several people who mention a place in an astral (non-physical) realm where people go to take classes and learn.

Hope that this helps  :-)
Grey
#566
Greetings lovesnoel18 and welcome.
Hallucinogens and mind alterants are One way to go out of body. This is usually Not recommended, however, because of the resulting confusion and loss of control. (I know this from personal experience btw
:wink:).
Many people have had OBEs and APs while 'using' something. The "Mind and Spirituality" 'vault' at the  www.erowid.org website has many such OBE accounts, including a few with p. cubensis and p. cyanses.

Cheers  8-)
Grey
#567
Hallo i smoke and drink coffee
A very eventful OBE and not all positive either unfortunately.
First off it's not at all surprising that you can get out of body relatively easy. Even though you have been out of 'practice' for awhile you still have the skill.
About the negative beings that were encountered. I believe that these creatures were Probably objective and real. (This is a Highly debatable issue btw as many people think that All negative astral beings are a creation of the OBE'ers own mind.) It Is possible that negative thoughts attract these beings. This is Not your fault. It is just one of the general rules of non-physical space, that like attracts like.
If you encounter further problems with these beings then I suggest you look into shielding or psychic self defense. (Robert Bruce and the astraldynamics.com website could be quite helpful here. Hopefully this won't be needed but....just in case.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#568
Greetings jkjk8991
The best idea is that whenever you are Not sure whether the experience is a dream, a false awakening or an OBE then perform a reality check (RC). Do a RC by first asking "Am I dreaming or am I awake?" Then pinch your nose closed and attempt to breathe through it. Obviously that cannot be done in waking life. So if you Can breath through a pinched nose then you are either in a dream or in an OBE. From there it is up to YOU to decide what to do next. The experience is dependent on you. If you want to go out of body then perform any of the (many) OBE induction methods. If you want to have a lucid dream then Don't try to go out of body and instead attempt to create dreamscapes and dream characters. The important first point is to determine whether it is a dream or an OBE by doing a RC.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#569
Hallo ADJIN
2 OBEs in one night. Very good! You're making good progress.
It would be interesting to know if either of your grandparents or your twin brother had any dreams of seeing you that night. This sometimes happens. One person will go out of body and meet family members or friends during the OBE and those family or friends will 'dream' the same thing. It might be worth while asking them about it.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#570
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: HAI GUYZ
September 07, 2011, 14:33:45
Greetings mrrandom2010 and welcome.
Ryan is correct. Many of the false claims were probably started by people who did not go out of body on the first try and by those who took months or years before having an OBE. So they assume , incorrectly, that the same limitations apply to everyone. Which they do Not. Many people can get out of body after only a few days or a couple weeks. Some even 'get out' on their first try.
Each person progresses at a different pace. Hopefully yours will be a fast pace. Just be aware that patience and determination are important assets so try to stay optomistic and focused.

Regards  :-)
Grey
#571
Hallo Soulfflame
Yes, outstanding ! The astral nexus points that you mention make a lot of sense.
I have had several experiences that began as a dream and then transitioned into an OBE or AP. One time I had dual consciousness of both dreaming and being out of body simultaneously. I believe that some non-physical locations 'overlap' and are both on an astral and a dream plane. The island would be one such place with the 'gates' to the different planes.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#572
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: OBE?
September 05, 2011, 13:27:47
Hallo ADJIN
In reply to your question
QuoteSo my question is, was this an OBE?
My answer is YES, it was!
Your experience was very similar to thousands of other first time OBEs.
Another question
QuoteAnd also i haven't been doing any chakra meditations, is it necessary?
No, actually. Yet any type of meditation (or energy work, yoga, martial arts, etc) will help both mentally and physically. It is really up to you. My recommendation is to try a few things (simple visual meditation to start maybe) and then stay with whatever 'feels' right.
Regarding an OBE versus an astral projection. Different people have different definitions. Mine are
OBE is when the consciousness (soul, spirit, etc) separates from the physical body and travels to a location (familiar or unfamiliar) that Does have a physical counterpart in the physical world (example your house, Yankee Stadium, Golden Gate Bridge, etc.).
Astral Projection is when the consciousness separates from the physical body and travels to a location that does NOT have a physical counterpart.

Hope this helps  8-)
Grey
#573
Greetings Fernanda
From the description that you provided it would seem that it Was an OBE. Your confusion is understandable yet there are some indicators that you Were out of body.
First, the vibrations are usually an accurate sign that an OBE is about to occur. Vibrations are not absolutely necessary for an OBE to take place. But many people find it easier to deliberately go out of body (OOB) while vibrations are happening. (So the next time that you feel those vibrations it should be possible to deliberately go OOB.)
Second, some items can appear to be out of place or missing during an OBE. This is called "reality fluctuations" meaning that the astral counterpart of your room and house are likely to be different than the actual physical location. Usually these reality fluctuations are minor, as you noted
Quotethings in my room being slightly different (eg things on walls that aren't really there)
And last, it is normal for the inexperienced person to be confused during an OBE. It is a new experience and the (astral) senses are sometimes distorted or blurry. (This happens to me from time to time.) It is also best to try to get at least 20 feet away from the physical body as staying close to the physical body also can cause confusion, distorted senses and can even quickly end an OBE.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#574
Greetings Soulflame
You are fortunate to have friends with which to talk about OBEs, lucid dreams and astral projection. Those 3 friends that you mentioned are apparently quite skillful at dreaming. It is also interesting that the island could well have some type of objective existence outside of your mind because all three friends were able to visit it! :-)
I have begun to suspect that some dream locations Do in fact have some type of permanent existence outside and apart from each individual dreamer's mind. Perhaps these locations are the bases for the idea of collective conscious 'archtypes' that psychologists are so interested in exploring (?)

Regards  8-)
Grey
#575
Hallo Aplles
You asked
QuoteIs astral project(ion) while you're asleep or napping, or when you're consciously trying it? Or both? I am guessing there are varying degree of dreaming

The answer is Both. You can spontaneously go out of body when asleep, either at night or during a daytime nap. You can also deliberately induce an OBE. The deliberate OBEs are almost always done during the Hypnagogic state which is the half awake and half asleep state just before or after nighttime sleep. Deliberate OBEs can also be induced from meditation although this is relatively rare.

Cheers  :-)
Grey