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Blis: what is the name of the book you are referring to?

Kundalini Tantra by Swami Satyananda Saraswati.

It doesnt really go into much more detail on that practice though except for telling you to sit in a medatative pose and "close the seven gates"(cover your eyes, nostrils,ears and mouth with your fingers).

Also, just the other day, Shineling mentioned, in this post, something called Surat Shabd Yoga. It is about meditating on the audible life stream. It sounded interesting but I havent looked into it yet.

Nice exercise. It rare I listen to music without doing anything else but whenever I do I'll give it a go.

The only similar kind of exercise I do is when I'm walking sometimes. I visualise a different street to the one I'm walking on. You need to switch back and forth so you dont trip over things.

There's a yogic practice where you sit and listen for a subtle sound in your head. When you find it you spend time listening to it till it gets louder and more intense. Over time(days,weeks) you're supposed to try and become aware of a more subtle, quieter sound behind it.

You then concentrate on that sound until it becomes louder and you stop hearing the first sound. Over time you're supposed to become aware of a more subtle, quieter sound, etc, etc.

You just keep trying to go deeper discovering more subtle sounds.

In the book I've got the purpose of it is to help you locate bindu(chakra at the back of the head) which they say cant be located physically until you have located it sound to its source. So you keep you attention at the back of your head while listening to the sound.

They also say you can listen to the sound in your heart space if you want though and that if you hear any sound in a specific location like the middle of your head or something you should hold your awareness there.

Looks interesting. I'm going to retune my guitar.

Flat on my back most of the time, gave me SP for a time, sleeping on the right side gave me weird dreams-in my room also.  That stopped, so there may have been something else going on.  That lasted for like a year. 

lol I was hoping you were going to have some special position like one leg out to the side with your toes crossed and a hand in your armpit.

On my back is when I get sp too.

This would make a cool book or TV show.

Reminds me how much I miss SG-1.

I remember hearing my dad mention the name at some point but I didnt know any more than that.

Sound interesting. I've found the book. Going to have a look at it.

For example, there are positions that are supposed to facilitate 'kinds of projections' (like from the second chakra vs. a third eye projection)- I've tried some of them and only found out that it facilitated sleep paralysis- not fun, or that it facilitated nothing.

Do you remember what positions put you in sleep paralysis?

I've found that when I wake up in sp I'm actually already out of body but it just feels like paralysis because I dont know it and am trying to move my physical body. If I close my eyes(real/astral/etheric idk)I can get away from my body pretty easily. So if there was a way for me to induce proper sleep paralysis it would be very helpful.

If you try the RTZ directly from the astral, you'll just enter into a scape that looks like the RTZ for maybe a second, and then other stuff will happen to show you it's not- like your room will be under water, with different wallpaper, or with tornadoes in it. Stuff like that.

Wow I think I've been misunderstanding this for ages. So the RTZ has to look very similar to the real world or its not the RTZ?

Because most of the time I exit into the RTZ and by the time I've gotten maybe half a mile from my body everything is different. Not like a CLICK! moment, I'm still aware of where I "am", its just that things are different.

Like in my last projection I climbed out my body, went outside and headed south. After a few hundred metres I glanced away from where I was going and when I looked back things had changed. The fence I was heading to was still there but on the other side was a helicopter with a load of people standing round it listening to a woman in an air force uniform giving a speech.

The prison I'm in is situated on what used to be an old airforce base so I just assumed things from different times were mixing and that sort of stuff could happen in the RTZ. So are you saying it was my subconscious creating the airforce theme and that I'd slipped from the RTZ into a LD?

I think you've lost your marbles

Maybe you were half way to apporting some marbles. Might be worth trying a few more times.

If you had actually managed it do you think you would have been brave enough to tell anyone?

Cool pic! I enjoyed looking at it. Thanks for posting.

I recently got my first visual glipse of my guide. I had my arms out of body and was trying to get the rest of me out when I saw a small blur of movement and colour. I instictivly swatted at it with my hand and got a thunk round the head in reply. I recognised the feeling of the thunk and that it was my guide. I got the impression it didnt like me swatting at it.

For some reason I keep acting like an arse to my guide and I'm worried it might just give up on me. Its only interacted with me four times so far, three times when I'm half out of body and once in a deep trance. The first two times it was pushing and pulling me to help me get out my body. The first time I was kind of freaked out but the second time it was taking too long and I started shouting at it like, "IS THAT THE EFFING BEST YOU'VE GOT!! TRY HARDER!!". It then quite agressively threw me around the room for a bit and I got the impression it was a bit ticked off at my lack of gratitude.

And I keep commanding it to do stuff when I'm out of body like, "take me to _" and it just ignores me. I dont know why I keep commanding it like some servant. I'm usually very polite and considerate in real life but for some reason I keep  being really rude while out of body. I think maybe it's because theres such a sense of urgency while I'm out because I know I've got a very limited amount of time but it's still very unlike me.

I'm hoping that when I finally get to see it properly I'll be more civil and be able to have a conversation with it and apologise.

What sort of stuff does your guide help you with? Did it take a long time to build up a relationship with them? Did you have any similar teething problems?

How about using the space to show users locations?

I like being able to see where people are from.

The song's not bad and goes well with the video but it wont be going on my mp3 player. It is a cool video though. Those white things are pretty freaky.

/smites nay for dissing the karma system

Just kidding.

I dont really care but I voted to get rid of it. It's rare I even look at my karma tbh. Years ago there was a period where I was a bit of a rep whore on some other forums - I was always thinking of what I could post to get positive rep. I suppose in that respect it could be good for a community as its encouraging people to post stuff others will appreciate. I ended up getting a stupidly high rep score and being given admin on the server but it wasnt healthy. My motives were all wrong and I should have been spending my time more constructvely.

If you care too much and stoke your ego with your score then its not healthy. If people smiting you is causing you stress then it's not healthy. If you dont really care then you wont miss it. So I vote to get rid.

Hi Blis: Since the brow storage is where the psychic energy needs to be (according to Bruce) and you seem to have stopped filling it... does there seem to be any problem remaining o.b.e. for any length of time??? because that is the issue... is psychic energy what is need to stay out... the other issue... I get the impression that the problem is really in  remaining in the rtz... rather than phasing through into the larger astral, focus 21 and above... S.

Yes, you are correct, I struggle to stay in the rtz for more than a minute or so. RB managed to scare me off filling my sub-brow centre directly as I am prone to psychically related mental health problems and I havent really been able to consiously split my awareness three ways to draw energy up through the centres to my sub-brow to any great effect. The couple of times it happened were just automatic, I wasnt trying to do anything but fill my sub-navel. I should probably put more effort into it.

I suppose you could be right, like I'm just naturally building up energy until I intuatively know that I have enough to project. I then manage to get out but for no length of time because I just barely have enough energy to get out.

As a one off test I'll send a stupid amount of energy straight to my sub-brow storage centre before I go to bed and then attempt an obe in the night. I'll see if it makes any difference.

Hi blis: were you filling the storage areas?

Yeah, I used to spend at least an hour a day raising energy. At first I was just sending it to the sub-navel storage centre like RB said but sometimes when raising large amounts of energy I would feel it start to travel upwards towards my heart space and then to the brow one. I found I can start it going to my sub-navel and then split my awareness to the sub-heart and it will travel through the first to the second. I havent spent much time sending energy to my sub-brow though so maybe that would help.

I dont do a lot of evergy raising these days but I do alot more chakra work, it seems more important to me.

If we were just physical entities then free will would be imposible. So you can never win the argument with a hardcore atheist.

I totally agree that you need to be aware of your true self to be able to regularly excerscise free will. So many of us are slaves to our minds, emotions and instincts because thats what we identifiy our selves to be.

It's damn hard to constantly excercise your will. Our conditioned minds are so used to running the show that most of the time we're just back seat passengers. But we have a Will, and our minds and bodies will obey it. We just need to train them to obey.

The teachings and excersices in this free ebook on raja yoga have greatly helped me in realising my true self and excerscising my will over my mind. I can easilly silence my mind now(something I used to struggle with).

The book is rather old fashioned and dated at times, it was written at the turn of the century by William Walker Atkinson under the pseudonym of yogi Ramacharaka. I'm sure there will be much better books on raja yoga out there but it's free and has much wisdom in it.

I reckon energy definately has something to do with it but it's not the whole picture(at least not in the Robert Bruce sense anyway). I've spent whole days energy raising to see if it made a difference and it didnt.

Could you make last weeks lottery winner give me their ticket please?

Seriously though, I assume you already remembered the person doing the thing before you actually made them do it. So how do you know you actually made them do it?

To pick a historical event everyone knows, lets say you had made Oswald shoot JFK from the future. From your perspective it's already happened. How could you know you're not just deluding yourself? Would'nt it be a better test to choose not to make him do it and see if history changes?

I'm not saying you're deluding yourself. I've no reason to doubt such a paradox is possible. But how do you know

My mate just emigrated to Australia for the second time from scotland. I think he's in Sydney, I know he used to go to the sydney sky divers club anyway. I keep trying to convince him to try AP but I havent managed it yet.

I'd love to move over there.

Welcome aboard.

So I was trying to fly into the sky in a LD and encountered my usual barrier at around building hight.

Earlier in the dream I had been spinning around a lot to improve lucidity. While pushing against the barrier I suddenly thought to spin and try to like tunnel through it.

Everything blurred, I got a brief sensation of upwards movement and then suddenly my vision was filled with giant pixel-like things. Almost like if you pressed your face up against a CRT monitor but coser in than you could actually get irl. I felt like I was right up against the thing(not my body, I was just a point of consciousness)

The pixels were'nt rectangular. I find it hard to picture what they actually looked like. The bits I was looking at somehow had three protrusions, almost like birds feet or three pointed stars but with squared ends instead of points.  All the pixel things were intertwined in a geometric, almost fractal pattern, filling my whole vision. When I woke up and tried to make sense of what I'd seen my first thought was interlocked three pointed stars and that drove the actual image from my mind.

It's the weirdest experience I've had. Just thought I'd mention it.

Proof of life after death? Could you even really prove the existence life before death? I mean how do you know any of this is actually happening? Sure it seems like its happening but how do you prove you/we're not just the figment of someone else's imagination. I think therefore I am? How do I know that its really me thats thinking?

The fact that "I" will continue to be after my body's demise seems as obvious to me as the fact that I currently exist. I doubt either could ever really be proven by scientific means though.

Its like someone saying "ok you'll have one today'.

Thats what its like for me.

I've stopped trying all the time. I pretty much only make an attempt now if I get a feeling that I should. I somehow just know when I'll be successfull. Progress is still frustratingly slow and the frequency hasnt really gone up but my success rate must be up to like eighty percent.

I used to be able to enter the void by falling backwards from a LD or the RTZ. I mentioned it in a post here and someone said I was lucky because for most people it just wakes them up or does nothing. 

It's only worked a handfull of times since I read that. Now when I fall backwards I just land on the ground.

I try to be minndful now of whether anything I say could accidentally place doubt in someones mind.