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#576
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Strange 'air-dots'
August 28, 2011, 22:49:17
Greetings
Jerry Teps, you asked

QuoteDoes it look like TV static? It might be a condition called Visual Snow.

The best description that I can provide is that the dots are multicolored, not very bright and appear to be slowly floating in midair much like very small particles suspended in a heavy liquid solution. Also the dots sometimes interact by merging or attracting or repelling other dots. This is not a totally accurate description though it is the best visual simile I can think of.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#577
Hallo light
Don't feel bad about anything. You did alright. It's all a Big learning curve. The only way that you can progress is by experience. Next time just relax, try not to get too excited and go a little ways farther. Maybe separate and make it to the wall or door. Or maybe go into another room. A bit further with each experience.

Good luck
Grey
#578
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Strange 'air-dots'
August 25, 2011, 23:32:04
Greetings all
This may be of interest.
A couple of days ago I watched the A and E reality show "Intervention" (which is about family members intervening in the lives of drug addicts and alcoholics to try to get those people help).
Anyway one story was about a young man who was hooked on crack cocaine. I can't remember his name but he lived in San Fransisco. At one point in the show he said that he and his friends regularly saw white dots floating in the air. His friends thought that the dots were energy buy this young man said that the dots were atoms. This leads me to think that energy dots Are more easily seen while under the influence of a mind altering substance.
The first time that I noticed the dots was while using a high amount of DXM (the main active ingredient in cough syrup). Since that first time I have seen these dots dozens (or hundreds) of times both sober and while using DXM. It was probably DXM that was the catalyst for me. I suspect that drugs (mind alterants, psychoactives, etc)  allow many other people to see these dots for the first time as well.

Cheers  8-)
Grey
#579
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: hi
August 25, 2011, 23:18:14
Greetings jaysin and welcome aboard.
OBEs and LDs Are fascinating. And it IS possible to deliberately induce them. There are plenty of methods here to learn how to consciously go out of body and to deliberately lucid dream.

Regards
Grey
#580
Hallo Lazy Boots and welcome.
It's good that you have joined here. I look forward to reading your posts in the forums.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#581
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello! =D
August 25, 2011, 23:13:31
Welcome back Flashing Colors
Sometimes things can get 'old' and it is necessary to take a rest for a time.
btw what was your old username? I've been a member here for several years so it could well be familiar.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#582
Hallo light487
Congratulations on your experience. As you found out many OBEs are Not clear cut and obvious events. There is often times a transition from a dream or hypnagogic (half awake and half asleep) state into an OBE. Also confusion is actually rather common, especially with first time projections.
I suspect that you also had some form of sleep paralysis (SP) which can be very unsettling for some people. However, you did quite well overall in dealing with an unfamiliar situation. You should find that future OBEs are less confusing and more enjoyable.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#583
Hallo I smoke and drink
I am in agreement with many or most of your concepts. My differences are probably in the labels that you give several of these ideas. Yet labels or names in themselves are not very important.
One thought on the multiverse or omniverse concept. I find it highly likely that there are alternate or parallel universes to this physical universe. An alternate universe is a realm where Earth exists but with a (minor or major difference) in the timeline/world history. In addition I also believe that there are other Cosomolgic universes where there is No Earth and where the physics and time flow are completely different from this universe. So these alternate and different cosmologic universe constitute the multiverse/omniverse that you described.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#584
Greetings COCM
During your OBE/AP you may have gone to
a) a belief system territory (BST) which is a non-physical location in an astral realm or
b) a location on a dream plane.
In either case it might be that the place you were at is a location that be visited Both by OBEers and by dreamers. That is, a nexus so to speak, that can be accessed from both the OBE and dream states of consciousness.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#585
Hallo thefarture
Congrats on your experience. Getting part of the astral body stuck inside the physical body is quite common. (This has happened to me on many occasions.  :?) Next time it might be best to fully reintegrate the astral and physical bodies and then attempt the 'roll out' method. Here you simply attempt (a mental not physical attempt) to roll the astral body out and away from the physical body. This usually works for most people.

Cheers
Grey
#586
Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello All
August 21, 2011, 23:07:27
Greetings cstar and welcome
Yes some dreams can be precognitions of future events. In fact I too have had a few such dreams (where I dreamed of something that later happened in the physical world). These dreams are not always easy to recognize at the time.
Often dreams and astral projections overlap one another. In effect a person can be in both of these two states of consciousness simultaneously. So I do not believe that it must be EITHER astral projection/OBE Or a dream. In fact it is Both an AP/OBE AND a dream at the same time.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#587
Hallo I smoke and drink coffee
Your descriptions of Lumina Star and the "Phaentian experience" are both enlightening and entertaining. When I was a child I had special 'dreams' which I only realized Many years later were actually OBEs. So I can connect with your concepts and ideas here.
Just as an aside I sometimes consider that every person's inner world of creation and ideation are all in some way connected to a dream plane or a collective consciousness (or both).

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#588
Hallo Apollos Flame
You asked
QuoteSo if I want to astral project, does it start off as an OBE and then I just move to a non-physical realm? Or do I do things differently to get to the non-physical realms?

Yes, if you get out of body in a familiar location (bedroom) then you can attempt to travel (telport) to a non-physical location from there. Sometimes, though, an OBE can start already in a non-physical location. This is where inducing an OBE/AP directly from a lucid dream can be very effective.

QuoteWhen I get SP can I use an exit technique and try and leave at that point or should I try and ride it out for some later state? When I try and ride them out I usually either black out or loose the SP.

SP Is an aid for getting out of body. I usually try to use SP as an opportunity to deliberately go OOB. SP is not absolutely necessary but I find it a Very useful aid.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#589
Greetings scarlitharlot, it's a pleasure to meet you.
Most people do well Not to dwell on their physical body during an OBE. Staying near the physical body often causes confusion and distorted senses (it usually does for me, anyways).
The dream that you described could have been a shared dream with another person. Such dreams are rare if not deliberately induced yet they do occur from time to time.

Cheers  :-D
Grey
#590
Greetings KayBe
If you are hinting at the possibility that the the government and military of the US and other nations have attempted to 'weaponize' astral projection and other psychic phenomena then I would agree. It is known that the US had remote viewing programs first in the military and then in the CIA. It is also well known that the Soviets experimented heavily with psychics. It would logically follow that there were also military research programs for OBEs, astral projections and related subjects.
Such projects, including a recent US Air Force study into the feasibility of teleportation, fit in well with what you described as
Quotemind reading in conjunction with the nonlocality of astral travel can conceivably unite any affinity network already in communication virtually overnight: especially if of a history of studying psychic phenomenon,

Regards  8-)
Grey
#591
Hallo Apollos_Flame and Greetings  :-)
The paralysis that you experienced is known as sleep paralysis (SP). SP is a normal condition that prevents the physical body from getting up and acting out sleep dreams. SP sometimes happens after a person has just wakened from sleep and quite a few people have freaked out believing that supernatural forces are holding them down. SP is nothing to be concerned about.
Both SP and the roaring noise that you heard are normal before an OBE. You do not need to be in SP or hear noises to have an OBE but both are signs that an OBE is imminent or that it can be deliberately induced.
Many people disagree whether OBEs, APs and lucid dreams are the same thing. I believe that there is a difference. Lucid dreams occur inside the physical body (or on the dream plane) and are mostly internally created experiences. OBE take place when the consciousness separates and goes outside the physical body in physical space. APs are similar to OBEs except that the consciousness (soul, spirit, etc) travels to non-physical realms.
Hope this helps.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#592
Greetings Trecoolius and welcome
You might also want to read about and research lucid dreaming. (Lucid dreaming is being aware of and in control of a dream.) Many people use lucid dreams for solving problems in their waking lives. For some reason solutions to problems often become more apparent during dreams.
Just thought that this might help.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#593
Hallo Bweep
You Did manage to go out of body deliberately and that's good.
The OBE was short and apparently you were somewhat confused so that's not so good.
But what about this OBE made it a
QuoteBad bad bad bad experience
:?

Regards  :-)
Grey
#594
Greetings I smoke and drink and welcome back
I'm very curious both about Lumina Star and the "Phaentian experience" as both are completely unfamiliar. If you could provide a link to either (or both) it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx  :-)
Grey
#595
Greetings calm
Confusion and disorientation are common problems during an OBE. Even experienced projectors get confused from time to time. But inexperienced projectors are more prone to suffer from confusion. So this is really nothing to worry about. The confusion is usually nearly gone after several OBEs. It appears that there is a learning curve of sorts about getting used to being out of body. And after a few OBEs/APs the weirdness tails off. Odd happenings and weird things occurring could also be a result of distorted perceptions which, not surprisingly, mostly affect inexperienced OBEers.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#596
Hallo Weejla and welcome.
Recording dreams in a notebook or journal is a Very good idea. It is important to write the dreams down upon awakening or most will be forgotten. (Most of mine are anyways). Many different possibilities exist in the dream state. Control of dreams (= lucid dreaming) is possible but is not easy. A few members here are very good at lucid dreaming. So dream control can be achieved with effort and practice.

Cheers  :-)
Grey
#597
Greetings Swesent and welcome.
Let me address what happened to you in  "The Reason for Failure" paragraph. What happened is a fear of physical pain or injury. This is actually rather normal. Many people stop their attempts to go out of body due to fear. This is known as the "fear barrier". You can get past this barrier. Here is what I suggest.
First check out the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" forum here. You will read about several methods that can be used to go out of body. Pick the method that most appeals to you. Try this method for a week or two weeks. If the method does not work then select another method and try that for awhile.
Be patient, determined and try to stay positive. Your first OBE may not happen for a few weeks or even a couple of months. But if you try long enough that first OBE will eventually happen. So don't be discouraged by a lack of immediate success.

Regards  8-)
Grey
#598
Greetings astraladdict
Yes you are right about negative emotions. Of course it could be that the astral woman that you saw caused those negative emotions. Or its possible that your negative emotions caused that woman to appear. If she appeared in your room then it was probably for a reason.
As an after thought it is probably better to try to talk to an astral being first before attacking it.  If that was some type of goddess then assaulting it was not the best of moves.  :-o Good thing that it was benevolent. :-D

Regards  8-)
Grey
#599
Greetings Jdeadevil/Jono.
If you have been using one specific method to try to get out of body and it has not worked you might consider trying another method (or several different methods). There are a lot of different ways to have an OBEs. The two techniques that have worked the best for me are 1) the 'roll-out' method' and 2) projecting directly from a lucid dream.
Just keep trying different methods until something works.

Good luck
Grey
#600
Greetings Silentwitnesstoforever. Welcome.
It's always good to welcome another lurker here. lol

Regards  8-)
Grey