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Interesting projection... just to clarify, there are 5 separate "astral animals" that can represent a single animal percieved in the physical (according to your projection, of course)? If you hadn't added that bit of intuition I would've guessed you were looking at future evolutionary outcomes for every common ancestor, or animal that currently exists. The strange creature you describe sounds a lot like a pterosaur or prehistoric bird, suggesting a relation to the past as well as future. Perhaps the "astral animals" are blue prints of the past and future of each animal being percieved in the physical? Just throwing out ideas...

I cannot really relate to your use of the term "soul".

To me, you don't HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul. So I don't understand why you use it in 3rd person instead of saying "I".

It's like saying "my self" really. I'm guessing she's using "my soul" instead of "I" to convey to the reader a reduced sense of responsibility for "her soul's" actions.

And yes, I know exactly what you are talking about, Melissa. I too notice being uncharacteristically aggressive in some projections, especially in ones where there is plenty of strange people around. I trash talked a middle aged woman in one projection and slapped a guy across the face in another. I felt bad doing these things after the fact but in the moment I guess I had a "I can do whatever I want, yay me!" mentality.

Obviously, this is only my opinion, but... *ALL* experiences that don't take place while you're awake, aware and here in the physical are "projections".  *Everything*.

Dreams...
Lucid Dreams...
OBEs...
Astral Projections...
False Awakenings...

Everything.  They're all "non-physical experiences" of slightly different flavours.

Well isn't that like saying, "Hot... cold... luke warm... all of it is temperature with varying degrees of heat energy"? Just because there's a continuum doesn't mean general distinctions shouldn't be made. I mean that is why this place is here, right? I doubt people visit Astral Pulse forums to learn how to have a conventional dream.

I'm just saying a false awakening is an independent feature on the continuum of conventional dreams, lucid dreams, and that third option (which I refer to as OBEs or projections interchangably.)

Ask yourself two things...

"Did my experience feel as real as (or more real than) my physical life?" and "Was I aware of my physical life?"

If you answer yes to both questions you had an OBE. If you answer yes only to one question, you had a lucid dream.

I think false awakenings can be OBEs or lucid dreams. I say this because I've had OBEs where I had to ask myself "Is this the physical or am I projecting?" Sometimes I was wrong and other times I was right, but that doesn't change the nature of the experience or turn an answer from one of the above questions to "no."

The only times I've been "attacked" were in projections that took place in well lit environments and I woke up immediately before anyting nasty could happen. Night time in the RTZ can be creepy, true... just accept it and explore. Most times I'll be projecting and think "Okay I'm about to witness something scary" and it never manifests... thought doesn't always = action. I think if you worry about psychic defense and have an "astral warrior mentality" you're going to experience a lot more violence than someone who has the explorer mentality.

I don't think you were dying per se. You just seem to have an unusually advanced and natural ability to project. I'm the same way to a lesser degree. My childhood "night life" was haunted with pre-projection sensations that would never quit once triggered. I learned that if I did accidentally trigger this phenomenon I'd have to keep myself up for the duration of the night. Now I wish I took advantage of them because meditation only gives me a fraction of what I got back then, but that's beside the point.

Your method could be "energy raising" but I try not to get caught up in semantics... you used your mind to create a projection-triggering sensation which is the fundamental idea behind exit techniques.

Your projections seem to be to the "etheral plane" or "real time zone." Most of my projections are here as well. You can usually enter the more alien astral environments by a) projecting there by chance, b) continuing your exit technique in the etheral environment, or c) entering a door, window, portal, etc. in the etheral environment.

You got your astral legs, congrats bro

Well, first realize that each person is individual... everyone is going to have to find their own way that is "easy".

So if you're looking for an easy way to project, I'm afraid you'll have to shop around for methods/techniques, then try them out one at a time.  

Agreed. No technique is easy... you try them all, find bits and pieces of what works/modify to suit your needs, define your process with interpretational wording and claim your method is easy, confuse the next beginner in line because it's not so easy, so they have to try them all... rinse and repeat.

Thanks, I was really wondering about that. I'll keep that in mind.


Also, what happens when a person is astral projecting, and their physical body just dies on them. Are they stuck in an astral form?

The astral is the afterlife for most people when they die according to my and consensus belief. Whether their perspective is reintegrated to the physical before experiencing a conventional death or whether the connection just breaks leaving said perspective undisturbed in the astral... well that is far beyond what I know or have enough experience to speculate on.

Hey DSH. Welcome to the board and astral projection in general...

Hi, everyone. I joined these forums today looking to answer a couple of questions pertaining to Astral Travel that I really haven't found any resources to answer on my own. Also, as this forum seems rather large, I wasn't sure which section this would best be posted under, so please bear with me. Without further ado...

My first question boils down to technique. I've read quite a few different articles on techniques for meditation, simplifying ones own state of thoughts, self-hypnosis, and frankly I'm stuck on this one. I'm not sure whether I've ever projected at all, and so you can imagine my frustration. I realize that not every technique works for everyone, but sometimes it's all a question of "What state should my mind be in right now?" or "What mode of thinking and perceiving do I need to exercise more?".

Not sure what you're asking here. My rule of thumb is if you can answer yes to the questions: "Was my experience as real as (or more real than) physical life?" and "Was I aware of my physical life?" than you projected. If you have to think hard about the first one you probably just had a lucid dream. The rest of that paragraph is a little too general to address. If you have a specific question on a technique or mental state feel free to ask.

Secondly, a question of perception. When one Astral Travels, do you literally see the environment around you (like one does with regular sight), or is it more of something you sort of "see" in your mind's eye (like when you imagine something?)

Yes, you literally see the environment. You can feel, hear, smell, and taste as well.

How can one make it easier to project at will?

Meditation works wonders.

And finally, my biggest question so far: due to the human mind's own ability to alter its own perception of time, is it possible to alter how long you project based on your own perceptions. (In layman's terms, suppose you need some time to think peacefully to solve a complex problem, and you don't have a lot of time. Could one in theory astrally project in the span of five minutes in earth-relative time, but experience hours of time to think while projecting, with only five earth-based minutes passing by?)

I've heard cases where people live for "years" in the astral and have only spent minutes out of body. I'm also pretty sure Robert Munroe (father of astral projection, basically) did this but don't quote me. So as for your specific question... I suppose in theory. However it takes a lot of practice to get to that point, I'd imagine. Even if you did I doubt you'd waste time thinking of physical matters. That's like saving up for a Benz and then taking the bus to work.

If someone could help point me in the right direction for some of these questions, it would be a really big help for me. I'm trying to learn as much as I can about Astral Projection in order to learn more about life and existence itself.

Dive in the forums, there's plenty of great info to be absorbed.

The golden elephant is something Beavis apparently created and left behind "inside" the pyramid.  If you go there and see it, you'll know you're in the right place.

Ohhh, gotcha. Thanks for clearin that up...

Whether in this life or hereafter the suicide will need to deal with his problems and perhaps get help (on either level). The added problem with ending the life is the anguish left behind by those close to him/her. This is often experienced as an additional burden. The environment one finds oneself in is only a reflection of ones state of mind. It can be more or less intense, it depends. There is no moral judgment involved, just the way psychology pans out. Someone who inflicted additional suffering, or Karma as you put it, will have to take the energies he/she unleashed into account as well.

If people suffered from endogenous depression and killed themselves then their state of mind may be different after shedding their bodies and they may experience their situation differently or they may not. Who knows. It all depends on many individual factors. There are no rigid rules.

Quite right. Reality rules. Lots of factors combine to create a certain outcome, no different over there. You may desire wine, but you may only end up with grape juice.

Thanks for the clarification. It's no big deal really, just that I have a history of depression so ideas like that can hit close to home. I like to think there is some kind of rehabilitative component to the afterlife, and that you can spiritually progress even if not in a "dense world" like the physical. But I digress...

I recall having similar dreams back when I was having relatively lots of OBE's... I dreamt once I was meditating (in an abnormal place for me, work) and got the full sensations associated with leaving my body. However, I never actually entered a "reality-like" projection so I figured I was just dreaming about projecting. It'll happen.

I think it's safe to say if it "feels like reality" or "feels more real than reality" it's an OBE. If you have knowledge of the physical world and "know you are OB while OB"  you are as OB as it gets. (However... if you don't realize the OBE isn't the physical itself you have somethin a little different... a false awakening. I think a false awakening can be either a less-apparent OBE or a conventional dream depending on the degree of reality you experience.)

How could you see that the planets were aligned?

And certainly, how could you see that some planets were off with 1/4 or 1/2?

Distances in space are huge. Our nearest planet, Venus, is but a star in the morning. So how were you able to see that many planets in a line?

I hear the speed of thought is exponentially faster than the speed of light. I'm guessing at one point he was at a distance where the system was visible as a whole. He then simply thought his way to the system itself. This could be accomplished in minutes, days, or years at the fastest speed in the physical or mere seconds with thought or "willing."

Well I usually just do a simple zen meditation and count breaths. Or sometimes I imagine my thoughts as leaves, tree branches, or other muck and watch them flow out of the river of my mind and into the vast ocean. Or I do a fire breath which is usually associated with Kundalini Yoga. And thanks for the welcome.

My advice, however credible..

Don't count breaths... observe them, concentrate on them, feel them, "become" them... but never count them. Why? Because your mind is talking.. "1 breath... 2 breath... 3 breath... etc."

The way you banish thoughts is okay. I sometimes imagine putting mine in a little cardboard box and walking away if they're too active. But after the thoughts go you need to focus on something, anything, that'll take your mind off your body. Exit techniques, noticing w/o reacting (as seen in phasing), and the revised breathing technique all work to varying degress for different people.

Watched a video on the fire breath thing... I doubt it will give you a projection in itself. You want to slow your heart rate not speed it up through rapid breathing.

If any of you want to find me there again, try to mentally connect to the gold colored statue of a sitting elephant (the light switch, controls the top of the pyramid), because that is where I had the strongest interaction. In theory, that association should be enough even though I haven't thought about it for years.

Not sure what this means. I don't see a gold elephant anywhere on the API picture so how could I possibly connect to it? I'd imagine having about the same luck trying to stick a plug into a wall outlet while totally blindfolded and unaware of my surroundings.

Well it's a consensus belief that one can project to a scene by "entering" a photograph. I don't see why you couldn't project to a dream by "entering" the person having it. In either case you are following a "sensory trail" to a desired astral environment. I assume the latter trail would be a lot more advanced and difficult to follow without "getting lost."

Once suicidal people realize that the disposal of their physical body will have no effect on their state of mind after death, they will feel much less inclined to kill themselves. Especially if they realize that their state of mind will have attracted them to an appropriate environment, which is equally gloomy and will still demand them working though the problem which prompted them to end their life in the first place.

This should serve to discourage any would-be suicide. I have personally met a suicide bomber who, after killing himself and many innocent others, found his envisaged "heaven" in direct opposition to his expectation and could serve as a powerful deterrent to anybody planning to end their own life or the lives of others.

Hmm, there's a major karmic difference between someone who suicides to end their own suffering and someone who murder/suicides to achieve a desired afterlife. Also if what you say is true, then the suicidal person will not feel "much less inclined to kill themselves" but feel more trapped, hopeless, and prepared for whatever hell they will experience in the here after. Especially if the quote below is also taken as truth...

Thanks you Alan, this is what I found on more than one occasion. The state of mind is paramount. I found that two of my close relatives, one of them my mother (documented in my book), who found themselves in very poor afterlife conditions, due to depression they suffered. This may sound cruel, because they were both of very good character, but this is just the way life is and the afterlife is no different.

So a depressed person can either kill themselves and end up in a dirty situation... or they can wait it out to spare their family pain, die naturally, and end up in a dirty situation? That doesn't sound right at all. I'm sure mental health (ex. depression) and how death occurs (ex. suicide) are factors in determining where one ends up, but to say that they are the only factors is pretty bold.

As for the way life is... you don't put on your best threads and just expect to get the hot girl at the club. You don't buy a "Get Rich Quick" book and just expect to be a millionaire by next year. These things help, they're factors, but many other things weigh in, ya know? The "do this and get that" mentality exists but applying it to this life doesn't. So how does it apply to the afterlife if not the here and now?

BTW, love your multiverse model and your artwork... will try to project to the astral plane depicted in HL001w within the coming weeks.

I'm pretty sure "actively passive" is noticing (active) without reacting (passive.) You basically keep your mind quiet and observe the blackness and any sensory input you may experience without responding through emotion or thought.

This doesn't work for me so I use a different method. When I meditate, I try to make my body feel "not there" as much as possible by stretching/relaxing/"deadening" my muscles to the point where my body feels numb (ie no brain signals are being sent to the body.) When I achieve this state I then concentrate on an exit technique... the goal is to feel (not see) myself carrying out a projection-triggering action by using my mind and not my physical body. For me this is primarily climbing a rope up a wall or going up in an elevator... typically actions where you are rising up... though I've gotten close using techniques based on falling as well (ie sky diving, falling off a cliff, etc.)

The exit technique takes all my concentration, which is better for me since the "phasing" technique is like walking a tightrope, easy to fall and lose concentration.

Alcohol seems to prevent me from even remembering dreams. Weed is a bit different... when I was smoking regularly I was having interesting, vivid, stable, and frequent projections. When I got off I observed a noticable decrease in all these areas. Maybe I only had to try harder (while sober) and that in doing so I could progress further than a stoned mind would ever permit... but that is just unverified speculation. I think when it comes to any kind of external factor influencing projection it's all about what works for you.

I had a similar experience.. flyin over an unknown forrest/village during winter, etc... my experience had a wholesome Christmas-like vibe.

Most of my experiences seem to be flying over something or another. My favorite ones are the ones where I "take off" from my backyard. I love that rollercoaster feeling.

Yup!
Hence why I called it a theory.

There are several.

Personally, I think she's dealing with my theory.  But meh, it's up to her to figure it out and deal with it. 

I don't know... sounds like if she already tried to show them love/acceptance than according to you she'd be showing herself love/acceptance and all would end well. That doesn't seem to be the case.

They are all humanoid. I've never seen one that wasn't. I've seen only two female entities (one older looking witch woman and a younger woman with white hair) and many males (some of them just look human-like with slight differences, others like archetypal demons). They either speak English in thick accents or speak different language altogether. They are a bit taller than me, though most nights I can't see well as its dark in the house when I project - however I sometimes receive vivid visions of what they look like when I am accosted. Their touch is freezing cold and they are "physically" very very strong. I cannot get away from them when they attack without resorting to going back to my body.

Wow, that's horrifying. Have you tried the "send unconditional love" method? I'm not well-versed in experiencing negs or how to overcome them but that seems to be a common solution to that type of situation.

I wouldn't let the fact that your parents saw you get in the way of thinking you had an OBE. Not all projections are to the RTZ. One of my first OBE's consisted of me having a short convo with my mom. I think the fact that you "willed" yourself and had the mind to compare what you were viewing with how things should be (ie. your parents awake when they should be sleeping) are strong indicators that you had an OBE.

Yeah I have to agree with the two guys above me... this story doesn't add up. Mind control? Conspiracy murders? Kicking alien butt on the weekend? I think we've crossed the line from astral projection into dogmatic fantasy.