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Hallo rubyaura and welcome.
OBEs and dreams need not be frightening or scary. It is possible to control both (or terminate them if need be). You might want to start here by checking out the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ Forum."

Cheers        Grey

Hallo cOsmOnautt
An interesting OBE. The gym area could be some time of small, localized BST.
One thing that always crosses my mind when reading an OBE account like yours where a person interacts with family members and friends is that perhaps the experience was a Shared OBE. In other words perhaps some of those family members and friends were there either OOB or in a dream. So, if possible, I suggest asking one or two of those people if they had a "dream" similar to yours. "Shared" OBEs are rare yet they do occur from time o time.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings
I try to erase all the dream imagery and then 'reset' myself back in my physical body. From there it is quite possible to use any normal separation technique such as the 'roll-out' method. What actually happens as many times as not is that I project out of body during the LD into a familiar location nearby, but outside, my house or apartment. There I am conscious of being OOB but there is no dream imagery (although there have frequently been 'reality fluctuations' that differ the RTZ from the physical area).

Regards 
Grey

Hallo catmeow
Great post. Thanx for the links. I have read many of those OBE accounts btw. OBERF (and NDERF) are very interesting sites.
OBEs that happen while the person is awake are rare and fascinating events. I personally have never had one but I am sure that they do happen occasionally. Sometimes they happen during times of severe stress and/or danger. Yet many such OBEs occur during normal activities for no apparent reason.
I too dislike the focus level 'paradigm'. Robert Monroe would have done better to stay with his original "Locale" classification types. The Locales were specific non-physical locations where a person could travel to during an OBE/AP. Focus levels are what I perceive to be some type of inner mental concentration level (or a level of perception). Actually focus levels tend to confuse me as I find it much easier to conceive of the consciousness (soul/spirit/etc) leaving the physical body and travelling to the various "Locales" (which include BSTs btw). As you may be able to tell from all this, I much prefer the simpler theories/explanations (even if they are somewhat old fashion and (maybe??) out of vogue).

Regards 
Grey

Hallo againuntodust and welcome.
I believe that animals can go out of body. It is unlikely that an animal can pull you out of body however. Unless, of course, you want to project. I have red several reports of friends or relatives pulling people out of body but have never seen anybody claim that an animal forced them to go OOB.

Regards
Grey

Hallo nmangelfire/ Angela and welcome.
Yes you have the right idea. Asking questions here should result in straight forward and understandable answers. Many of the members here are very experienced projectors.
I also suggest that you look through the "Welcome to the Astral FAQ Forum" here as some of those answers may be found therein.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Reyn and welcome
Your enthusiasm is commendable. Just be aware that it might take several weeks or months before managing to get out of body. Good advice is to try as many different methods as possible. Try one for a couple of weeks and if that does not work switch to another technique. Be patient and determined and eventually something good Will happen.

Sincerely 
Grey

Greetings Schockstuhh
Mirrors are very tricky. Some people get transported through mirrors to the most marvelous exotic locations. Other people are unable to get into or through a mirror. Unfortunately I have very little experience with mirrors. So my only suggestions is to set a desired locations ahead of time and try to enter a mirror and transport/teleport to that desired place. Don't know if it will work. But trial and error seem to be called for here.

Good luck 
Grey

Hallo Lucidmage
What you have been experiencing are Probably OBEs. Yet they may be false awakenings. A false awakening is where a person thinks that they are awake but they actually still dreaming.
The Only way you can be certain is to become more lucid/awake/conscious during the experience.
You can try the affirmations that blis suggested, they may work. I suggest that 1) you ask yourself "Am I dreaming?" If you answer yes then it Is a false awakening (which can easily be transitioned into either a lucid dream or an OBE).
2) Try doing something impossible in the waking world. Either hold your nose and try to breath or stretch your arm/hand out an extra foot. If either is possible then you have become lucid.
Remember that the line between a lucid dream and an OBE is Very thin. Perhaps the only real difference is the person's state of mind.  That means that it Is important to decide whether you want to experience a lucid dream or an OBE.

Regards 
Grey

["Wide Ranging Flight"]

Greetings all.
Here is another one of my backlogged OBEs from 2 or 3 months back that I am just now posting. The title is --

"Wide Ranging Flight"

Tuesday, April 12, 2011 (OBE # 107)
   This projection began as a dream. At first the dream was a basic non-descript affair until I began to fly. Once I got airborne my emotions soared making the dream both enjoyable and memorable.
   OBE # 107. Very soon I 'awoke' in astral awareness as the dream had transitioned into an OBE. I was flying over houses in a suburban neighborhood. It was a bright, warm sunny day. There were people about doing various normal activities. Nobody paid me any attention. Flying was very easy and natural.
   This was a very enjoyable flight. During the next 10 to 20 minutes the locations suddenly changed 2 or 3 times. Without warning or reason I quickly found myself flying over a completely different landscape. First I teleported while in midair to a country area of open fields. Few buildings and fewer people were to be found there. Then just a couple of minutes later I again teleported to a forest. Maybe this was a state park or a national forest? All of these locations -- the suburbs, the forest and the country fields -- were unfamiliar to me.
   Lucid dream. Soon the projection transitioned into a lucid dream. Although a lucid consciousness was maintained I was now aware of creating all of the landscapes. And these landscapes kept rapidly changing, going from city to large forest to small woods to country fields to city again to forest again. All these areas appeared and disappeared in rapid succession. The lucid dream continued for about 5 minutes and then I was in waking consciousness in the physical body.
   Notes. Time was between 9:30 AM and 10:15 AM. The duration of the dream was 5 to 10 minutes, the OBE was 10 to 20 minutes, and the lucid dream lasted 5 minutes. I lay on my right side. The locations were probably all physical although one or two may have been BSTs. There were many people about (physical or discarnate?). Deliberate (passive), Emotional, Dream>>into>>OBE, Flight, OBE>>into>>lucid dream, Teleport, Pranayama (before), Meditation (before), Affirmations (before), Rope cargo net (before).

Thanx for reading this.
The OBE was not overly dramatic but was enjoyable. Note also the smooth transition from non-lucid dream to OBE. The lucid dream stage was skipped even though this was not an actively deliberate projection. Rather it was passively deliberate as I allowed the OBE to continue once the separation/projection had already taken place.
Grey

Hallo reinert
You have the Right idea here. Just keep trying different methods until something works. There actually are dozens of different techniques. Some are very basic and others are more mystical and esoteric. In the end the only important point is what works for each person. I suggest staying with one method for ten to fourteen days and then try something else. Eventually one method Will work. 

Good luck 
Grey

Hallo Kaul and welcome
If by "out' you mean got out of body then I look forward to reading your experience posted in a forum here.
Regards 
Grey

Volgerle
Yes, great post. Right, just about the LAST thing somebody suffering a life threatening injury or disease is Likely to do upon going out of body in an operating room is look for a number?!?
So what ARE the people running this experiment thinking of Surely they could of thought up a better experiment than this.
And you are also correct in that the OBE is only one part of the total near death experience. They would likely get much better results with this experiment if it was run in a sleep lab or in a psychology department at a university.
And of course the sample size will be so low that skeptics will claim there isn't enough info anyway. So go figure why they bother to run his experiment at all??

Sincerely 
Grey

Hallo reinert
It may take several weeks before you manage to go out of body. (It took me 6 Months btw!) So Patience is Very important. If you do not succeed at first do Not give up.
Also you might want to try several different methods. Two of my favorite techniques for having an OBE are 1) the rope method and 2) going out of body directly through a lucid dream.

Regards  
Grey

Greetings Leslie and welcome.
You might want to check this site's "Welcome to the Astral FAQ" section. There's a lot of info there and it could provide you with some answers.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings Kelsie
Even the most skilled projectors can have a 'dry spell'. It seems to happen to just about everybody. I only had one OBE over a two year period (about 7 or 8 years ago).
You Can induce OBEs through lucid dreams. This is one of the more effective methods. I can do this on occasion.
Anyway try to remain positive. 

Cheers
Grey

Pauli
Yes, you are correct in using the term incarnate because she is physically alive. I used the term discarnate because she was, at the time, out of body. Perhaps a more accurate term would have been 'temporarily discarnate'.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo K-Toxic

To address a couple of your questions here.
First it is Not unusual to have no people in an OBE (or AP). About half of my OBEs have no physical or discarnate people. However if ALL of your OBEs are without people then perhaps one your goals should be to go out and meet/encounter someone in the astral.
Regarding your "guide" getting cross with you. Personally I am Not a big fan about spirit guides. It is just a personal preference. So when I read your remarks about that person snapping out I thought "What type of spirit guide gets mad at a person for asking important questions?? I think that you deserve some honest answers from this person. If she really Is your guide she should be able to provide clear and understandable answers Without getting mad or upset.

Good luck 
Grey

Hallo Pauli
Yes, She was discarnate but I do not believe that she was a ghost (passed away). Rather I feel it is most likely that she was having an OBE (or perhaps was dreaming?). Now actually I have No definate  knowledge either way about this, it was more an intuitive feeling.
As regards a possible retrieval. I doubt this was the case. I have never done a retrieval. And this encounter with her in no way resembled any of the retrievals that I have read about.

Regards 
Grey

["Mary"]

Greetings.
It has been over two months since I have posted any OBEs here. So it is high time that I posted here again. This experience happened in early April. This OBE seemed significant to me at that time. However, I have had No further meetings with this person, physical, OOB or dreams since then and so now feel that this may have only been a random event.

"Mary"

Tuesday April 5, 2011 (OBE # 106)
   Strangely this began with dream imagery (the dream state) about a family get together in New Castle, IN. It was a large gathering which included my (deceased) father. However, I strongly believe that all the family members there were dream characters and that this was not an after death communication.
   Significantly there Was one person there who was out of place. It took me several minutes to realize that and when I grasped this fact I was immediately able to transition into astral awareness.
   The person who would normally not have been there was Mary G. I knew her from grade school and high school yet could not call her a close friend and she never attended any family gatherings. I should also add that back in school I was very attracted to her, had a crush on her in fact, although we never dated.
   Anyway, after becoming aware of the astral (or ethereal) environment all the family members gradually disappeared one by one. I quite expected Mary to disappear as well yet she remained.
   We began talking and eventually (ten to fifteen minutes later) nobody else remained. She was a bit older than I remembered her yet appeared much younger than she must actually be now. She had a subdued, even sad and melancholy, manner. Yet I found it much easier to talk to her now than I had ever before in the physical.
   We were together for about 30 minutes. And honestly I did feel some unusual emotions or vibes. It was actually somewhat unusual because I felt sad that she was so quiet and depressed and was also strangely excited to see her again. There was no sex involved although that possibility was certainly not out of the question. So, really, I am unsure of what to make of it all.
   Notes. Time was about 10:00 AM to 11:15 AM and duration was maybe 30 to 45 minutes. I lay on my left side. OBE # 106 was either in a physical area of Pittsburgh or in a BST of same. The only real person there was Mary (discarnate) as all the others must have only been dream characters. Deliberate, Emotional, Dream>>into>>OBE, Pranayama (before), Meditation (before), Affirmations (before) Rope cargo net (before)

Comments and questions are welcomed. 
Grey

Greeting Malys and welcome.
If you had kept on rolling you would have been standing (or floating) beside your bed. The roll out method for going out of body is Very effective.
Vibrations and sleep paralysis are tell tale signs that an OBE is imminently possible.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings openmind

Congrats on your first OBE. Yes it does feel good and yes, it Does leave you with a Lot of questions.
The roll out method is the Best technique for going out of body (OOB)(other than through a lucid dream (LD)).
Confusion and disorientation Are normal for inexperienced projectors. You actually did rather well.
Regarding those questions.
1.The OBE ended when you returned to you physical body. You might have been able to go OOB again. But apparently your astral awareness/consciousness was none too clear and the opportunity passed by. At that point there is probably not much of a difference between an OBE and LD anyway. There IS a difference, but when that close to the physical body the difference is probably only a minor shift in awareness of self and a degree of clarity.
2. Dreams and LDs Are closely connected. The big difference is that in a LD a person is aware that they are dreaming, while in a normal, non-lucid dream the person thinks that the dream is the only reality.
3.The connecting undertone is experience. With more experience comes the ability to induce LDs and OBEs and consciously shift between them both at will. This ability will eliminate most, but probably not all, of the confusion that confronted you on this occasion.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo wow

That Does appear to be an OBE to me.
Walls are sometimes difficult to go through, (for me anyway). Windows offer much less resistance and are easier to traverse.
The confusion that you experienced is rather common. Sometimes astral awareness is very clear and vivid and other times it is quite murky and jumbled. Next time maybe try an affirmation, something like "Clarity Now".

Congrats 
Grey

Greetings
Is this the ghost city filmed from a bridge in a Chinese city? I have seen a short 1 minute excerpt of the video but without sound. So I'm REALLY confused. The news article with the video clip made it appear that the video was of a ghost city. Yet a quick scan of the bridge showed people crossing the bridge and going about their normal business as if normal out of the normal was taking place. And Xanth comments that there is no mention of the ghost city in the video. So's where and what is the big story???  I am completely befuddled here. Anyone have any ideas??

Confused 
Grey

Hallo vf4u6r733jq0-Ap2/7g and welcome
It is nice to be able to communicate with other people who regularly have the same type of profound experiences. That means that you are Not a lunatic. And, if by chance, you are a lunatic then most of the members here, myself included, are lunatics also. 

Cheers
Grey