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Hi C
Well that would have to be taken in context, as I said:

Never let her near where you sleep, start to clean your own bedroom and take on a more vigilant attitude so she can see you can do without her.Go through your bedroom and remove anything that has been in her presence, especially ornaments and furniture and pictures.


What I am referring to are things she has owned or used, that she has had a chance to bond with and attach to. Not things she has cleaned. A little note. The more you "emphasise" this in your life the more strenght you give it. Scale down, and focus on the power instead of the problem, focus on the solution rather than the view , symptoms signs etc

Regards MS

Dear Cprince

Ok Well first of all I must make a disclaimer. As I am a Christian these things have worked very well for me but if you are not they might not work for you. Robert Bruce talks about this point in his book and encourages people to use the Christian "way" if they want to but to also consider this path their own if the problem is releived. This is not an attempt to convert you but more along the line of passing on info, and I believe that Roberts points are good and valid.

1.First I would start with Prayer. I would chose a time and setting preferably at another location than home and have a good talk and prayer with your wife, and see if you could agree to fire your maid. Explain your concerns and your opinions in a non threathening / blaming way. In other words Unite. One can chase 1000 but 2 can put 10000 to flight. A united approach is very important.

2.If you have Christian friends who believe in the Power of the Holy Spirit, talk to them and solicit their help. You could have a exorsism after she has left, or even while she is still there, but if she will not let it go you cannot force her to do so.

3. If this is not an option, I would seek to confront the maid, and the entities she in using. Most likely it/they reside in her or in the presence of her, and her things. Jewelry clothes etc. The reason is to expose these entities, and "let them know you know". You could have a "talk" with her, but as you sit down to start your conversation, focus on and talk to the entity, ask questions that it will have to answer, and make it an ultimatum. You should definately take over in the spirit and show an assertive attitude full of faith and resolve. A bothersome spirit as this one is often removed, by removing its "payback" so try to figure out what she is gaining from her attachment the "payback" and attack that issue instead, the supply lines so to speak. In your own life clean up your act if there are things that are not right. If you have resentments bitterness or inappropriate amounts of pride selfishness and ego in your life, go to work on that. This includes any abuse problem or sexual activity that you yourself find troublesome. These attitudes enhance your suceptability and vulnarability to attacks. You should try to figure out why it is affecting you so much!!!!

4.Get stricter with the maid, ban her from certain rooms and make it difficult for her without becoming harsh. She seems to thrive on the power she has over you through fear so show yourself fearless, and let her know you are in charge and have her number. When you talk to her always look her straight in the eyes without hesitation, and try to be the one to control the conversation. Never let her near where you sleep, start to clean your own bedroom and take on a more vigilant attitude so she can see you can do without her.Go through your bedroom and remove anything that has been in her presence, especially ornaments and furniture and pictures.

These are just a few suggestions and observations. I have been part of and performed many exorsisms over the years, especially people tormented by this type of entity, (she is also a victim!!)so we could maybe engage in a remote exorsism if you see the need. This would require some advance notice and quite a bit of PMing or posting back and forth, but I would be willing to do that if you think it would be nessesary.

I hope this is a help

Regards Mustardseed

Dear C
It seems that you have recieved a lot of information and counsel, and I have been reading most of it. I sincerly hope and pray that you are finding a solution to your problem. If however it presists, I have a few practical aspects and points that might be a help.

I have had many experiences with similar problems and live in maids as well, and thanks to God I have always been able to succesfully resolve them. I lived for many many years in India, Nepal as well as Afghanistan and the Mid East, where I was working as a Missionary, and my input would more be along actual behavioral issues that you can adopt to effectuate a change.

As I said, if you are having succes all is well, if not I can give you some very down to earth help.

Regards Mustardseed

Dear Frank

I always read your posts with interest, and this one as well, and appreciate your insight and help a lot. I have a few questions along the line of the topic at hand, that I have been thinking about for a while, and would appreciate your observations and input if any.

Since getting back into the Astral experiences, (dormant since teen years)I have made a effort to grow. I am still not very experienced in "proper" exits but my own experiences seem to be very "whacky" or different in nature. If there is such a thing as a concious exit "by the book", (and I almost question this these days[]), I have only had 11 . I have had numerous WILDs and Lucid dreams as well as scores of experiences with Astral sight. Altogether some 120 what I would call OBE experiences over the last 14 months.

My question is this. If one assumes that various tapes drugs and artificial aids, "screw up the brain" as you put it, would one be right to assume that laziness, lack of proper discipline and fear does the same?. Or put differently is there in your opinion a linear experience, a step 1 step 2 step 3 etc that one can "screw up" or do you think that we progress as we are "meant to"?

It seems clear to me that basically I get back in experiences what I put out in time and effort, but what about natural gifts as or even divine intervention perhaps, how does that factor in to the equation. ?

Sometimes I wonder if I am messing up my "path" by not reflecting enough and taking enough time to practice meditate and pray, but life is not static, and the body needs food etc. One also have responsibilities and often many people depend on us,to reach their potential and get a meaningful life as well. There is a very nice movie I saw long time ago called "Mr. Hollands opus" . The story is about a music teacher who gives his entire life to teaching kids, all the while never getting to finish what he considers to be his own life accomplishment. A interesting story with far reaching implications. In the end he finds out he himself recieved as he gave out to others.

I see that you are retired. Any words of wisdom experience to share on these matters. This goes for everyone else as well ofcause.

Regards Mustardseed

Wow......this really sounds like someone feeling threathened about the validity and basis of his "beliefsystem". But since this is not a slam on Christianity and the Bible it would then be ok to say..   "My mind is made up....dont confuse me with facts"

I feel with you brother, []

On 2 different occasions I had a similar thing happen. During  obe attempts, I gained astral sight and saw what looked like geometric figures equations or fractions including shapes and a strange kind of numbers. It was written all over my wall as if it was being used as a white board. I just lay there looking at it trying to remember the different shapes. After I woke up I was able to transfer maybe 90 % to my note book. Now 1 year after it happened I still have not a clue what it is or means.

Regards Mustardseed

Well lets just imagine that Roberts theory is correct, we would then be already in a dream state/astral inviroment and our 3 etheric body would be doing the "exit". Is that correct?. If so, it is all the same and if the down load is functional, and the shadow memmory is remembered it would for all intents and purposes be a "real" OBE. My question is this. Does this type of OBE set a "grove", so to speak making the 1st etheric body harder to activate, and does it after a time become a habit, or does the experiences help towards becoming more adept at mastering the consious exit, or is it just a dream and are the exit symptoms "fake" and not is sequence, so that this type of OBE works against you instead of for you?? Anyone....Frank?

Regards Mustardseed

Interesting points. In my own opinion it seems that people generally seem to be manipulated by the press and that the whole cult scare is an artificial and created fear "fad". In my opinion there have always been and will always be religious and political as well as cooperate leaders who have tried to get people to do things their way. Trying to exercise control over the mind and subsequent desisions of others is as old as the ages. In this day however it has taken a life of its own so to speak, and has become a "fear" that preys on the minds of humanity. It is like the fear of childabuse. It is tormenting the minbd of those who yield to it, causing them to trust noone and be suspisious of everyone, including your own family members. It has gained strenght by the false and unsubstantiated notion that "brainwashing" is possible. The very idea of brainwashing a term coined during the Korean war, has been totally debunked by countless psycologists, but still is thought as valid. Waco is a good example. In the name of saving these misguided religious nuts it seems that the American Govm. basically slaughtered scores of innoicent children and adults in the most horrific way.

How about the Astral Pulse is that also a cult. I would say that by the meassuring stick of many hate groups and anti cult type of inmdividuals ,yes. Do we think we are in a cult becourse we post here..no of course not.

Like so many things in our modern society ....fear becomes the motivating force and the world is poorer and more confined as a result, Trust noone, go nowhere at night, check everyone for alteriour motives, spy on your neighbour , report anything suspicious........

Just my opinion. Live in the sunshine, we are all big boys and girls right....let people make up their own mind about what they will believe.

Regards Mustardseed

Hi All
I had a few questions that I hope you can help me with.
Over the last 1 years I have had 102 OBE experiences. They have varied from concious exits, in to the RTZ to Luzid dreams turning to exits and everything in between.

I have noticed that I am now able to induce a very deep trance in a relativly short time, but my Astral trips that used to in the beginning regularily be WILDs seem to have disappeared.

I often just enter trance and lie there, with hypnogic images floating by as I drift in and out of the images. How do I proceed, what stages am I in. I loved the astral trips but the relaxing maybe more needed. Is there a possibility that I passed the astral stages? or is the astral stages the last ones.

Regards

Mustardseed

Dear Beserk
I apologize for my lateness in answering your post, I am very seldom on the net these days.

I appreciate your observations and have a few questions and thoughts myself. While I originally intended for my post to be a little iconaclastic it was no less a serious question, intended for a discussion, I am glad you took it that way.

I have always thought that the Jewish stand on pre maritial sex was qite liberal. It was under the impression that it was accepted that Jewish men visited "women" and that fornication or adultery was meant to be for women being unfaithful to their husbands. Hence the women caught in adultery was alone as the man was not seen as equal in this "sin". What are your sources that explain otherwise.

As regarding Jesus own words (as they are recorded in the Gospels) extolling celibasy it is indeed a possibility that He was talking about this in a spiritual context as a alegory of devotedness in the spiritual through closeness to God. The Bible as you no doubt know speak in other places about "in the latter days some shall depart from the faith ....forbidding to marry ...." (I am here qouting from memmory and do not put the ref.)

Very little is known about Jesus actual life, and most guesses regarding his lifestyle are based on how society around him behaved, assuming maybe rightly so, that He would in at least some way emulate this behaviour. This is however as far as I can see a asumption and not based on circumstantial evidence and not fact. What do you think??

Your insight is very much appreciated and I look forward to your reply.

Oh Beth, good to hear from you. Hope all is well and that the book is coming along well.

quote:Originally posted by James S
There is one very important point I would like to make here however:
No matter how nicely it it put, this forum will not tolerate religious evangelism in any form.

If your purpose in coming here is to only preach your religion in a closed minded manner without consideration of the beliefs of others, then I suggest you leave now.

I don't say this to be harsh or threatening, as we do welcome people of all beliefs here. We just ask that you recognise that this forum is not aligned with any one religion, and we do take a grim view on those who would look to come here seeking converts.

Kind regards,
James.

Dear James
Hope you are doing well and thankyou for your always welcome and wise comments and observations. While I certainly understand your message above, I would like to make an observation and state an opinion.

As you so rightly observed the above was a plug for the posters brand of Christianity, what he believes to be "the only way", and as such will appeal to very few on this forum. Your reply is in my opinion therefore unnessesary and moot. However since you made it and it now stands here for all to see please accept my opinion as gracefully as you would have our Christian poster accept yours.

It is my personal view and possible the view of others as well, that the AP is in every way a "beliefsystem" and religius conversions of all kinds or "forms" take place here on an ongoing basis. It is however mostly attempted reverse conversions from Christianity to a broader based pagan animistic or alternative life view. Books galore and information and religious probaganda are being shared ad infinitum such as Findley etc etc. (the list of recomended books is very long James)

Now, if you wish to ban pro Christian conversion attempts please feel free to do that, but do not do it by claiming neutrality or innocence in relation to conversion by the members. Accept that this forum is by no means neutral nor is it unbiased. There is a very very strong New Age and anti evangelical Christianity dominance present here on the AP. Many of us feel this and we all all know that we have to accept it as the conditions one comes here on. It is indeed the "faith" and seeming purpose of the moderators and administrators as well as RB himself, to "enlighten" the "misguided" masses of Christian "zombies". Hence the phrase, "a little light from down under". Do check out the Stickys and feel free to give me your input on this aspect of the AP, without insulting my intelligence by claiming they are non religious, neutral or unbiased.

You might or might not have heard some wise words from the Bible, relating to an incident where some "non Christians" wanted to stop others from becoming Christians, I will share them in any case. One such man was cautioned against such activities by a wise friend who told him:

"Leave it alone, if this thing is of man (Christianity) it will fade into oblivion, but if it is of God no man can stand against it, beware lest you be found to fight against God".

It seems in my humble opinion to be evident, that if there is any truth to Christianity and if God is all that the Bible says He is, he then takes a very "Grim view" on those who oppose his attempts to preach the love of Christ, through believing Christians, no matter how brittle and docmatic their doctrine and life may appear. (as you said yourself this is no threat just kind advise)

It is my very best hope that you do not get offended by this post that is not the intent, I count myself your friend, and that is what friends are for to tell the truth as they see it. Wether you recieve this, my opinion as TRUTH is ofcause up to you.

I remain

Yours

Mustardseed

This is actually a Biblically supported doctrine and quite radical. Apparently these Giants were "agents" of darkness and were sent to be the tool by which man was to learn and perfect the arts of war metalworks etc etc They basically tried to infect the genepool and were partly succesfull. Genesis as well as other books talk about it as well.

To revive a old thread I have a little thought for you FT, I mean no offence but found this profoundly surprising and felt led to include it here.

Your "destiny" is not entirely "your own", and as such sometimes "fighting" too hard to attain some sort of spiritual state, that you believe to be of benefit towards your spiritual journey, at times becomes exactly the thing that holds you back from reaching your full potential. The solution is in letting go of the trying part and letting the me take over through using your intuition which is your contact with me. There are ways you feed your spirit and ways that your soul is strenghtened. By loving. There is no fear in love becourse perfect love casts out fear, becourse fear has torment. When you fear I am showing you your boundaries, you must be fully convinced in your own mind that you are doing the right thing, before faith can take effect. Love is not a passive thing, for to love and to recieve love requires a lot of the human soul and strenghtenes the very fabric of the spirit, and in time this strenghtening is emulated by the mind into faith. So follow after love, and while you are at it check out patience moderation temperance. This effort will in time change from something you do, to being part of who you are, and as this happens and you realise who you are you will know what you must do to first find and then fulfill your destiny.

Dear FT
Just my little blurp here to add to the thread of counsel you have all ready gotten. I suffered from S.P. for a very long time myself and have had to come to grips with this and it actually sorted itself out.
My observation in that maybe you need to consider that OBEs is at the present time not for you. I realise that might tick a lot of people off but tis is a reality of life and a possibility that you will have to consider. Life is sooooo much more than OBEs and sometimes "real" life is where you need to put your effort. In time it is possible that you will again get the urge to try and maybe you will mature more or have other life experiences that will change your spirit to be more resiliant.

This is not a bad thing at all.Its just life.

Regards Mustardseed

Hi Beserk
Interesting reading. I will have to read it again but it sure sounds right on to me.
Regards Mustardseed
PS why the name Beserk, do you know what it means?

Glad you like it [] God does have a sense of humour , believe me I have that from a reliable source[]

I would agree with you were it not for a Lucid dream I had a while ago. I learned that the people we meet in these so called "fictional" or "generated" dream inviroments are not all the same. Some definately are fiction dream created but some are observing us and what and how we act and some are "players" but much more real and seem to be travelers themselves. Maybe thy are dreamers. I could write the experience in detail but it is soooo long.
Regards Mustardseed

In 3 words.......ohhh yeah absolutely

Well ...again I am not explaining this from a textbook point of view, these are my own findings. It seems that certain demons are banded together and under the rule of a stronger demon. Wether this demon is able to actually "copy" himself, as RB theorises (I think this is very possible) or wether the demon takes or is given rule over minor demons and is imparting his image, seems to be a moot point. It is important to know the demon by name but if it is not possible to know the name they can be adressed in 3 person or by the nature of the power they seem to be connected to. This could be say commanding a demon of Pride, bitterness or whatever, or one could address them, as "I command you who is tormenting (name) through ......." etc. The most important point is that the one doing the exorsism must take authority and talk straight to the entity itself, and this can be very difficult. If succesfull the person with the problem, will often start talking in very cryptic ways, and make faces they often fart or burp belch etc. I would as I said before be very very careful attempting a exorsism with an unwilling victim. Actually the thread is starting to turn off a bit to exorsism but maybe that is ok. Lola thanks for the link ..very interesting things there.

Regards Mustardseed

Hi Nay
Just a little itsi bitsy note....of self justification[:I]. Very early on I made it a specific point to explain that none of what I channeled should be taken as a way to get answers to questions folks should be answering themselves. I refrained from questions that had that feel to them as it was and is my belief that God was not happy about people using the "answer book" instead of taking the test! I also mentioned that I myself believed I was channeling God (and still do) but I strongly advised everyone to make up their own mind on this point. On a side point you could ofcourse say that We were both wrong in our channeling about each other ......or that one of us was right, him or I ie The Arc Angel or God. I would agree with you though for the most part in your statements. It seemed that Mayatnik had the Floor .....but has it no more. At least not alone.[]

Regards Mustardseed

Well....ok then. I guess I could try to explain my point a bit better. Most of you here on the thread seem to be younger and no offence maybe not as seasoned in "life" as some of us old fogies. While youth has its advantage in strenght and courage, age has its force in wisdom and lessons learned. I think most of you are a pretty reasonable bunch so while I would like to add my own experiences to the thread please note, that I am not really interested in any agression or hostility. I have no problem with you not agreeing, but let us reason together and maybe you could just consider my points as advice, to use or disregard at your own discresion.

As we all know Demon is a buzz word. It covers a wide variety of entities. They do not call each other demons but rather its a title we give them. This seem to be based on the Chistian concept of Angels in rebellion and so forth. It would therefor be important to define Demon. My comments above were based on this statement. RB also covers this in his book. From what I have experienced, talking to a few of them and seeing them at work, a true demon was never human, it never inhabited a physical body. It is a creation as such cannot be destroyed by man. This theory takes root in and is in alignment with Christianity (not to be confused with Churchanity[]). No one except God can destroy a Demon. However one can banish a Demon from this dimension. One can also bind a Demon in certain place and get a "restraining order" so to speak, banishing it from certain places and people. Lesser evil spirits are also subject to the same powers and limitations, with some small differences.

If a human comes near certain "places" inhabited by evil spirits (Demons etc) without having a very good reason to they subject themselves to these powers. These places are sometimes physical places and at other times certain activities, or attitudes. Someone mentioned drugs and that is an obvious one but other attitudes such as rebellion, extreme pride and bitterness are also ripe ground and "thins out the veil", making Demonic influence possible. The list though extensive is mostly on the baser side of life excess etc so as I always say....be safe stay in the sunshine!!

What it is that actually Banishes a Demon or evil Spirit is in my understanding sheer force, will power or energy. However HUMAN force is very limited. RBs chapter on Passive counter meassures brilliantly explains an often ignored but very affective avenue, and a very very safe one at that, but according to Christianity, not even the Arc Angel had power over a Demon entity called "the Demon Prince of Persia, but had to wrestle with him for a "period of time" . Mostly the Angels use Gods power and seem to be skilled in using the Name of God in a way more effective way than we do. For those interested I could include a string of scriptures to verify this as Christian Doctrine, but I will refrain out of respect to the ones of you who are not Christians. If anyone is interested I could post them later.

The reason we Christian who accept the Spiritual battle are so effective in exorsisms is that we have a lot of Faith as opposed to fear, and believe that we have power over all evil Spirits. Not all Christians have this power as RB also explained. Just being a Christian does not mean that you automatically have power to do exorsism etc On the contrary some of the people I have experienced having the most trouble in Banishments were new Christians, who deluded through Pride and misguided teachings by various Fundies, believed that Christianity gave them power like Jesus, but had no understanding of the Spiritual Principles at work. This is very dangerous stuf. Just becourse you buy a 45 ft sailboat and start to call yourself a Captain, it does not mean that you can set forth and cross a ocean and call yourself a Sailor.....you catch my drift[]

As far as banishing a Demon that is enjoying and cohabitating with a human host, you would be better off leaving that person alone. If it is a unwilling victim, and these are rare, as most derive something from their "pet", the cahnces are better. Mostly true demonic influence is not changed over night but is a result of "starving" it out, denying it sustenance by rejecting the compulsion it is trying to feed you. This is a very effective way as well, but requires much more from friends and helpers. Mostly a period of 3 days is minimum, but it can become a prolonged battle, as they are pretty good at holding on.

Many lesser Spirits pretend to be Demons, and it seems that this might be a mecanism to induce fear in the victim. More fear strenghtens the attachments etc. These are easilier gotten rid off.

Well that was a little bit I hope it explained my warning a bit better and that it is a help to someone.

Yours

Mustardseed

With all due respect....IMO you do not know what you are talking about. Most likely none of you have ever encountered a evil Spirit much less a Demon. Believe me you take this too lightly.
Regards Mustardseed

I have my own THEORY AS MANY DO. I constantly make "deals" with myself. Now before you think schitzo let me explain.[]

Let us take dieting, I fast from time to time and I tell myself that If I fast for 3 days I will allow myself a freeday. I keep my word to myself but if I break my woird I also do not reward myself.

I agree.....kinda' [] Long back I posted a joke about God being white cause otherwise he would have said "I is that I is" and recieved lots of flak from it and was called everything. The thing I am taking note of is that it seems to me one can make jokes about Christians and noone notices, but make one about blacks, gays  or even jews and you might get harassed ridiculed or sued or worse.


Regards Mustardseed