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Beth,
This sounds interesting about the multilayers of the bible. I'll look forward to this from you.
Well, you made me do a little work Beth (just kidding). I looked and couldn't find my bible dictionary. I did however search out and find this other book I had which contain Hebrew letters, "Hebrew Honey". This is a book I bought years ago when I was going through an interest in Hebrew.It's a collection of 500 old testament Hebrew word meanings of the old testament.  

It surely would be easy enough to search for the Hebrew alphabet somewhere on the net. I will when I get a chance.I'll then post a link.

I could also take interest in what you mention about comparative study of symbols and signs of today, and how it can contribute to knowing more of the astral. Beth, you must study dreams quite seriously? This interest sounds like a real dreamer. []
Do you have any examples of what you think may be new emerging symbols or signs of today? That will be an interesting thing to look at dreams now, since you mentioned it.

Tree of life fascinates me. The triangle is interesting too. Triangle suggests hierarchy to me.  I think a lot of people reject things or groups that uses a hierarchy system. It's a great way to learn for me. It's too bad this system is so easily misunderstood and abused.
I'm dealing with the down fall of this system in my life right now. I'm riding out the storm to see where it takes me.
Ideas are great only if their functional and practical.So far what I've seen in the fallout is disappointing.I see christianity as a hierarchy system (just the structure-leaving the religion part aside temporarily). Now I'm trying to see and understand where the parts fit back together. Times have changed, and maybe there is a reason.  The reason may be a spiritual and/or religious one.Another era perhaps.
This could be a reason I have to agree with you about signs on the astral level and/or dream levels. On a humorous note, I even noticed the pyramid food groups of daily requirements bashed on tv. What is going on? []

Without getting into it, absurity plays a part as a way to look at things. I've been emailing the same person for about 4 years. For the longest time I thought he was some kind of prophet. It was because of his often used style of absurdity. At the time I was also picking up on the absurdities of so many things myself. I believe there is a lot of humor in the astral and spirit realms.

I have to say, I pretty much think we do create our own reality. This is much of what I've been observing in other people as well, those that recognize this, and those that don't.  

Oh yes, "thought" IS.  All there is? No, unless you know something I don't know.  I believe we can know so much!  But yet, we can only know as much as we are safe with knowing. The realm of God is a higher realm. We can tap into it with an invitation. God comes to us, not the other way around. But within our own limits and boundaries, we can gain great things. A person's desire to reach out to God's realm is a personal choice.  There is something in both worlds. My belief is toward God's realm. Those who don't choose that realm may very well have their own, who knows, but them.

quote:Theories and wisdom can be very simple—it is the practice that is the challenge!

I like what you say Beth. For some, I bet that statement can be turned around. I'm glad to meet you Beth.

That's okay Beth. No rush. []

This has to do with perception and communication I found interesting:

I just heard of this study done on the English Language.

It was discovered the English lnuagage can be raed as lnog as the first letters and the last letters are kept in correct order.

Has anyone heard this? I've tried it, it does work!

If I had more time I would write out a sample to show this. Unfortunately, I just have enough time for the sampling in the above sentence.An entire message can be written out in this altered manner, and still be read!  

I'm wondering how this can impact dream interpretations?
And other things too. It's sure something to think about.

Beth,
Wow, some interesting things you have! Yes, please share your thoughts on this. I don't know much about the desciple John.

What do the crosses mean to me?  The only thing I can think of is christian concepts or beliefs. Of course, I can go deeper, and think of the cross of Jesus' crucifixion. This being death, and what his death means. Then this would lead me on to what his death means to me. The meaning of his death changes for me as I learn more. As a child I was relieved to know Jesus did this. It took burdens away I had at the time. What these burdens were(?), I have no idea! I was only 2-3 years old! What did I have to be burdened about? All I know is it did the trick for me. This is why I stuck with the christian faith. Now, years later I move on to wonder what else is this about, on a higher level.

The Roman looking guy wore an off white robe. Before I actually caught sight of him I was asleep. I was awakened with someone touching my stomach. I opened my eyes in enough time to feel a second person touching my stomach. Then opening my eyes, I caught sight of this third person, this Roman looking guy. He was palpating my stomach as if he was giving me a physical like a doctor would do. He then stood upright and said something like, "We're gong to have to have a meeting". He smiled as he said this. I couldn't tell if he was talking to me or someone else. His feet were not on level ground. He walked with his feet being at a lower level that I could not see. He then walked on through the wall and window of the bedroom I had slept in that night.
The only thing I could figure, it may have been about medical condition I had at the time. I later did seek medical care and received treatment of something fairly simple.My hormones were out of balance.

This book is about Edgar Cayce and dreams.

Dreams  (An Edgar Cayce Guide)
By: Mark Thurston, Ph.D


Here's a website showing his dream symbology as well.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/about_ec/cayce_on/dreams/dictonary.html

Beth,
It's interesting about ancient tradition. I have always felt that the Jewish were the chosen people. Not just because of popular opinion, but because I have my own feelings aout this. I'm not sure how the words Jewish and Hebrew are separated, but that's another issue.I know less on this subject than even the bible. I use to read the bible. I read it more for inspiration,confirmation, and connection with God. Most my connection with religion,spirituality, and information has been through prayer and generally talking to God. The bible is great though. There is something mystical about it. I have found that people who can really get into the bible are also able to express themselves about it, and can really write a lot on it. God has been my source, the bible backs up much of what I've learned. I don't have the same ability to express with scriptures. I get lost on this concept and ability. I also get lost in messages obtained this way. Your ability, and what you express in your writing has caught my attention. You strike me as a realiable and a good resource for information. Apparently you seem quite dedicated too. I liked what you said somewhere about your hope to be a good christian. I too believe it is a work in progress too, if that's what you meant.
I have not had a dream I'm aware of that involved Hebrew.I do have an idea of how the letters are shaped. I know the distinctive look your talking about. The shapes remind me off hand, a little like the stones at stonehenge. If they don't, I better find my little bible dictionary, and refresh myself.[]

An interesting discovery I made about the Kabbalah, or I should say, about the tree of life. I grew up with very few people around. And my family are/were people of few words. As a young person I observed a lot. There was this old dead tree on the farm I lived. I was always curious about the history of this tree. It had been struck by lightening. Under the tree sat an old model T (or close to that) Ford. When I began deam studies, I connected with that old car I was so fascinated with. When I read about the tree of life, I thought immediately of this old tree. I realized many of the things I observed as a child, is what led me to my interest in God. From here, I then realized I can use the same principle in my life now. It's been great learning from the Earth standpoint.

I've never been led to the Gospel of John, but that's interesting about the history of critical thinking. I believe I do rationally think. I've always thought of rational as being subjective. I never connected with the critical thinking concept that much, though I like it. I hope I do utilize it!
With "Logical", it gets worse for me. That could be when my source of trouble comes. And then with anal[[]ytical, I'm never that formal or dedicated. I think that's why people lose me with long threads of scriptures and explanations.
I understand abstract thinking very well.
If I think of some ideas and make use of one thing or another, I'll be glad to share some of my thinking ways and/or theories. Sounds fun.

When it comes to language and communication, I have observed that the fewer the words the better to make a point. Sometimes words, or too many of them can obscure a message. Less words suggests more in shared thoughts. I recently met someone who for some reason or another, we can say very few words and understand each other. Sometimes just a simple phrase and the message is received by the other.
The only thing less than this is "thought". This is so interesting.

Just to get things started I have a few. I haven't seen the other thread, so not sure how this goes.

I had a regular dream, it was a white dream. The dream was located on these temple steps. I got the feel of it being a Roman structure.I've dreamed of large tall columns before.
I had a mystical experience which this Roman looking guy came to my bedside. He had a message that I didn't understand. I can describe this in more detail.

Another vision experience that part of the vision was seeing pine box coffins going to this place by way of this arch (semi-circle because I only saw it in part). Within this path of energy I got the impression that the coffins were going to heaven. The coffins had a twinkling of crosses on some of them in an unexplainable fashion(strange visual effect on my part). The crosses were black.

I have a healing angel (no better name for him) who the last time I saw him in a dream years ago, had a cross (silver) on the front of his shirt.
This was odd because he had always given me the impression of being Hindu.

There may be more, but this is a start I guess. []

Thank you Beth. I would love to contribute to more to this!
I'm in the process of reading what you have written here and at the other places. I'm not a slow reader, however I am slow at taking in information in so as to understand it fully, or at least the best I can at the time. You write some very interesting things. And the subject material is right down my alley. [].
I will have to think more on responses to some of your questions.
Yes, I know about the writing on the wall thing. Dream-wise the closest thing so far has been the one and only what I would call a classic out of body experience. The word on the wall was a glowing red neon-like sign. The word was there but I couldn't make out the letters. I was distracted too by the fact I was floating in the air.I was having to think about two things at once. [] This being too, along the lines of language and other things we are talking about. The only other thing I can think of right now (without looking through my dream journal) was a dream of symbols on the forehead of these children. The symbols being on the skin has a special symbolic meaning, just as symbols on the wall do.

I will read more, think more, and get back with you. I'm enjoying reading your material. I will have more to write soon.

Try visualization of a car, truck, or any other vehicle of transport. Hope this works for you. []

Beth, Please don't give up so quickly on this. The subject is interesting. I've been studying in my own way the language of the subconscious. I'm not much of a critical thinker in the commonly way of thought. I don't think I have to be a traditional student or thinker on the subjects of my interests, religion, spirituality, dreams, and the like. In fact, thinking methods are part of the mysteries in my opinion.

I believe the bible contains many hidden messages on many levels of communication. Adrian's explanation of the water turned into wine is an example of how these messages unfold to a person.

I've been studying christianity since an early age. The last few years I've been exploring other faith sytems. There is a common thread among the various religions.

I've also been studying dreams. I've found there is such a close connection between dreams and bible content. For instance, the things you have written on eating is similiar (if not the same) as a dream is interpreted.

Any thoughts on this?

An added note on this. Not only is this important for gaining knowledge, but I also think it opens one up to understanding others.

Hmmm....Good point T_K! This made me think. There are a lot of fake things to deal with in other people, and in society as a whole.

Thanks Radha, your right. I appreciate your suggestion.

I first learned of the guardian of the threshold upon going to an astral temple site. If you need or want the link there I can get it easy enough.  I first learned of the shadow self through dream studies from books, as well as first hand dream experiences.

I was confronted with a wolf upon attempting entry to the astral temple I just mentioned. I've been meaning to get back there but I've been doing other things. There is a lot of focus this site requires.

The shadow self is very much a potential for manifestation.
I don't fully understand it all yet but I've learned that it does exist. Such as, facing the dark shadow head on, and possibly what to do about it. And seeing how it relates to daily living.

The above things have made me understand many things I've experienced in my life. Things that once was a mystery is now to the best I understand it, more like markers or sign posts of my life journey. The enities and their acts played out, are ways of directing me along the way. Still a mystery in a way, but now I'm starting to see the connection, and hopefully the purpose. It could be as simple as empowerment in daily living. So far, I'm a pretty good defensive player.

That's an interesting idea about it being someone else's memory.
Something to think about. Or, would that be a case of denial? Just kidding. []

I have had such a dream. In my series of various kinds of dreams this was among them. It's been a while now, but I recall it as having a deflated feel about it. It seemed like a trick. I think our higher self, or who ever guides us, shows truths. This truth to me is that we indeed can create something that is not accurate.It seems to be a lesson to be careful of false/wrong thinking.
I wonder if the deflated feel that I felt was what many people experience and explain why they are depressed or lack motivation. It provides some insight into others perhaps.
Since then, I have discovered I do dream some false things. It would then seem that one should trust self to a point, but a higher source may be more reliable. Maybe it's an evolving to higher truth. I do know that with synchronicity, things are not what they seem in the big scale of things.
As with you, hard to put in words, this is the best I can do...for now, anyway. I would have to go back and refresh myself from my dream journal for more.

If this dream was created for your own good, is this a bad thing?

Another thought. Do we have to work through our own falsehoods to reach real truth? And at this point, is this when we can begin to effect our waking reality toward a better or more powerful way?

Excellent take on hate, Reason. Hate is an emotion. This emotion can also manifest in your realm of reality. Your observation and understanding is correct. However, you should take counter measures for hate directed at you.
A person with ill intent toward you can succeed, would you want this? Their lesson and your lesson are two different things. Sure, you are aware of what drives this person or persons. Don't you have an obligation to learn more about this? Hate is a result of someone seeing in you what they don't like in themself. By overcoming it in yourself or accepting that part of yourself is not good enough for the one who would like your downfall for it. So, what do you do about it? To allow an authority figure to take care of it may not be the total answer. You are assuming the authority figure is wise and just, and this is not the case oftentimes.
Jealousy is a big cause for a person to take negative action against you. You are a mirror to that person who is after you. You must evaluate something about yourself that this person(s) is seeing in you. It may not be the same thing being focusing on by this person.  If it's a no win situation, are you may be being prompted by a higher power to move on from where you are? Or, can you hold out with patients, and try to perfect that aspect the enemy is seeing in you? Perfectionists are the most difficult to accept a challenge with. Endurance is good, but it must lead to something other than more of the same. What lesson do you have to learn? I had a fairly recent encounter with hatred and actions to bring me and some others down. We chose the stay-put and endure for awhile. In the meantime, we all made alternative plans to go elsewhere.
Before we had time to change jobs, the "hate-force" was met with opposition in their own personal lives. They no longer had the strength to carry on with their original intentions of destroying us. The residual from all of this remains. Nothing we can do now will ever be "good enough". Should we be satified with this, or as mentioned before, move on?   It seems to basically come down to that. The enemy is no longer the enemy. It's now the employer who is in question. They seem to lack the ability of discernment. Would it be any better anywhere else? I doubt it. The same problem will arise again most likely.
The only answer I see is to remain as independent as possible. Self suffiency is the way to go. Because this is such a good move I truly believe a higher power (my own or God) has caused changes in my work environment toward my benefit. This is no accident. If something better comes along I will surely know it now. In the meantime, I have it pretty good. All I have to do is stay sharp. This I can do.
Now, if I can only figure out how this works in my personal life. []

Wow Jeff,
I don't think you could have stated it any better than what you did. I believe the same as you. And I like the fact you gave credit to your christian faith. I think it's a matter of moving on from there. I am a strong christian believer. However, a power beyond me has prompted me onward to a more extended view. It's been scary getting past my usual comfort zones, but the trip has been worth it. I can't go back now. Yet, in no way does it diminish my original faith. Thanks for saying it so well. There is an "irony" factor. I think this causes some of the confusion in  people's thinking.
I believe there is such thing as evil. I don't believe evil is identified correctly. Is it the elusive other aspect of the light, or is it the build-up of tiresome, wrong, and insincere thinking patterns?  I think it's along the lines of the latter. If people could only get past fears, including evil (wrongly identified), death (physical matters), and judgment (lack of surety of one's self), I think wonderful things can happen on a bigger scale.

Hi Tisha,
I know what your trying to say. I've been compared to satan by someone in my life who isn't even a christian,though I am not a traditional christian. I would be a little suspect to attend a church.I've attended a few in the past but it's not my cup of tea as the saying goes.
I've always veered toward the christian belief system because it suites me. I take from it what I find applies to me and is true to me, the rest is window dressing or what ever you call it.Okay...dogma is a common dicription [] That doesn't mean though, it's not important to the next person. I respect that and tread softly around other's beliefs, sacred territory.
I have been always been accused of leaving my mind too open by my mother, my entire life. Yet, today we two cannot be closer and still have varing views on many things. The one thing the two of us are of one mind about is God. We both love God and have learned much through what God has instilled in us. God imparts himself to those who love him. We can sit and talk about God endlessly. My other philosophies are not shared with her. This is an area she doesn't delve into. And I hear a few "oh mys" from her when I say a few things out of her comfort zone, so I back off.

My opinion is your philosphy group did not go away because of christians. It may have gone because it was time, and it is the way the natural order of things fall. No one need blamed for something necessarily. You harbor the thought, but what if you let the old thought go and look at in a different way. I believe more things will open up to you. More challenges perhaps, but also sweet and wonderful things you wouldn't trade for, to go back to your old thoughts.

Christians have their ways for sure, but so do everyone else. I find most christians the most kind and caring people I know. I spend a lot of time around them.

Welcome back Jeff. I remember you very well, and it's good to hear from you.  []

EnderWiggin,
I don't know what prompted your post, but....I like the subject of spiritual warfare. The nature of evil needs to be understood more.

Thank you for such a thought filled piece. The invisible war has been going on for as long as I've been able to perceive it in my life time. I have felt it and know the discouraging and bad feelings that go along with it.

It's existence is partly how I learned about my spirituality. A few things I've learned is that change does occur naturally. This can appear evil but is not necessarily. People make mistakes and are ignorant. This alone can propel evil along it's course fairly well.
Intentional evil (that which is seen as evil in most everyone's view) is the easiest to see.It is well hidden for this reason. It does exist. It takes the cooperation of ignorance to help evil grow. Mistakes made are a cause, but mistakes are replaced by cover-ups which in itself continues to keep evil growing.

The nature of evil is as about as elusive as spirituality. There are different degrees or levels of it. One kind is the mind stealing kind. But then again, someone must offer their mind up to whoever or whatever will take what it can.I see a small scale example of this in the commonly called co-dependency.
So I wonder who or what is evil? There seems to be a cooperate effort in the process of evil.
The other kind of evil are the blatant lies. It amazes me the number of lies. But then again, it takes someone to believe the lies for the lies to continue. People who believe lies are just as dangerous as the liar. This is because many people react accordingly and usually involves a negative effect on the targeted person or group.This is another intentional lie but also involves ignorance.
The most politically popular evil is hatred in the form most people are familar. This is an interesting one because this form of evil is actually misused and warped by persons and groups to bring about political control. This one uses people to the max, plus there is a profit politically.
I can go on but just to say each of the three I've listed is not all the types, but it really is all the same except for the way it's carried out.

Notice there are no courses in the study of this, only the politically correct ones, which really aren't correct either, in universal law (or in God's eyes). Would this be due to design (intention) or ignorance?

Greed, jealousy, and the like are commonly seen causes. Too bad no one seems to notice more causes are from weaknesses including dependency, brain washing,low self esteem,and more.

The popular prejudice ones has turned it into a smoke screen. Why don't people want to look farther at this one?
Even the word hate is being misused and abused.
God hates things, this is important to accept. God's unconditional love is way over played as far as I'm concerned. This is another cover up. The mind of God is JUST, not stupid ( when bad things happen in universal law ). People will find out eventually. In the meantime the same mistakes are being made over and over again.

The fear is about the fear of death or fear of judgment. This one is used polically too.


I'm not writing this as a specific response to something that has happened. What happened, anyway? []

Hi timeless, this may not be addressing your statement, but here goes... []

This is an interesting observation about your waking experience with color. And the fact the experience was similiar to dream color. Some synchrony I suspect.
You may have had a connection with a multidimensional set up (when circumstances fall or occur in perfect order). I don't know if this makes sense to you, but...
A tint in the real sense is when white is added (to color). A shade in the same respect is when black is added (to color). Window/glass is clear, however yellow is present (a primary color).A dark something, added to yellow would be a "fading". A dispersed shadow in a way.

The alive colors would be the light added.The duller cast would seem to be dark added. A balance of  sorts for whatever reason that may mean.

The case of the window you saw may be a symbol of sun energy blended with earth energy (brown) resulting in a duller (shade). Most likely this window had/has sepia (reddish-brown and/or old energy),and therefore, the reason for the earth tone aspect. Black in glass would be a mirror (reflective), and a possibilty as well.

I suspect you slipped into a transitional state with the combination of things which occured (synchrony).
Synchrony to me is when the subconscious (dream level) connects with the conscious state. Your perception of this then followed in predictible fashion by you actually seeing your familiar subconscious state. I have had semi-oobe experiences with similiar effects.

My take on this anyway.

Thinking on this finally gave me an idea about what the grainy black and white meant in a recent dream I had. Transition to a higher realm. The dream scene with the grainy part was/is a mid-air scene.
To bring in aura color I often see black dots just before the aura color comes into my perception.  

Another interesting thing. Your mention of the yellow coming through reminds me of a dream I had years ago, long before I had regular dream recall ( and knew nothing about dreams really).
The post made by shadowatcher about color in another spectrum happened to me. I called it at the time a new color. It was so cool. I remember in the dream seeing this new color. I knew I wouldn't see it in the same way after I awakened but just the same I did my best to memorize it the best I could. Sure enough, I had a difficult time seeing this color in a waking or conscious state. I did however keep a memory. My hope is to see this again. The best I can breakdown the memory of this color is that it was a green, blue, and sunshine mixture. It was a very rich field of grass I was looking over in this dream. It was one of those dreams you just don't forget!

Most of the dreams I do recall are in color.
I recently had a dream with a section of it being a grainy black and white. I can't figure out what that means?

How about white dreams? I've had a few of those. Supposedly a person can get beyond the concept of color and dream an all white dream.
Those are interesting and seem to have a spiritual quality to them sometime.

Some dreams I've had, a particular color stands out more vivid than the rest. I wonder if this is a message about energy centers?

This is a sensitive and hot button for me too.

The christian's word's and actions are put under a microscope. The foul things that can be said about the christian faith is awful.

Many outside of christianity are quick to call out hypocrocity about the faith and faithful. Hypocrocity is just as evil whether your a christian or not.

Those who choose to not recognize God is one thing. Those who prey upon the believers of God are something else. Allanon is correct about the wrath of God.  

The bible is a tool to teach one how to think for oneself. Believers are extremely underestimated. And....God will not be mocked.

If only more people can understand the awesome power of God!

A copcat action is taking place in my state by the ACLU regarding the removal of the ten commandments in the same manner. I feel the evil in this whole thing!

It sounds like your on the right track to figure this dream out.
You may be appealing to your female higher self for attention to/for something.
Fence usually does mean an obstacle in dream symbology.

Does anything relate in your waking life about this? Something maybe
about pain or discomfort getting under your skin? Is something irritating you?

That's a very good question.
I'm quessing but I think my astral body has various forms.It may be invisible (I perceive it without vision), it may be an orb, and it may be in various human shapes or forms as seen in typical dreams.

And I'm wondering too if it can't be in more than one place at a time.

Allanon:
You may be getting your self disipline mixed up with your application of practice. Jesus had a message. Jesus never claimed himself a diety.He is the son of God. The bible is a tool used for learning and understanding oneself. Jesus put in practice his disiplined belief. After Jesus died on the cross his diety is a matter of personal interpretation. "Follow me", according to Jesus can be seen as, "See how it is done". He speaks of a kingdom to come. Does one choose to live in the day when touching his garment brought healing, or live in the day to come? I believe we are living in the days he spoke about. My choice is to use my God given ability to think and learn. Jesus is there for me all the way.
You make your choice too, Jesus is a diety to you because you believe this way, good ( He is). I choose Jesus as my friend. And I thank God for him. Right now in my path, my friend is showing me a new dimension. A world in which he is in, but for now, standing on the other side of my window. There is much to learn with him on the other side of the window. I am no less faithful because of this!


LA FORET MAUVE:
Thank you for the interesting response. I couldn't tell how serious you were about religion until your answer.
What you say makes perfect sense. Heaven is just what it is suppose to be. If heaven to you would be an incredible complex and amazing world, then it is, or will be. Isn't that what heaven on earth is about?
I personally think if we don't know what heaven can be while we're alive on earth,how will we know what heaven is in another realm of existence. []

LA FORET MAUVE:
You voice an apparent bitterness toward Christianity.So why are you requesting a Christian's point of view?
Are you judging a religious system by the personal experience you had back then? Are you letting detractors effect your personal journey? The opposition is everywhere.

What are some of the contradictions you speak about?

If the subject of heaven was one of your favorite things to think about, why did you stop?

Heaven to me is peace, harmony, contentment, and much more. It's my ideal environment.The journey is full of surprises with twists and turns. Heaven is the ultimate goal, getting there is half the fun.

It's not about religion in the long run. Religion is a spring board. Don't let the springboard or the others around you trip you up.