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If you were awake trying to project and then were suddenly cousciously outside of you're body I'd call it a projection. Whether it was an obe or a Wake Induced Lucid Dream who can say, but both are types concsious projection.

Personally, I dont think all LD's are strictly the same as AP's although I can accept that they all take place within the same locale if thats the right word. In my experience I've had two different types of LD.

In some dreams where I become lucid I'm not able to examine any details closely; If I try and read writing
I realise nothing is actually there, things start to fall apart and I wake up. The same happens in these dreams if I look at the sky. Its like my imagination isnt strong enough to create realistic sky. I dont have a full field of vision with everything there like waking. It's like I've just got a vague impression of things.

There are other dreams in which I become lucid though where I can scrutinise details and can look at the sky and have full vision like when I'm awake.

People also feel different in the two types of dream.

I suspect that the first type are dreams created by my imagination and that the second type are where I've been AP'ing in pre-existing places while sleeping and have just become lucid part way through.

Dont know if this qualifies as a technique exactly but it just got me over a three month obe dry patch.

I'm currently reading bruce moen's book 'voyages into the unknown', and in it he mentions that when he first started talking to his I-There he had to use NVC.

So I decided to ask my I-There or subconcious or whatever for an obe.

I visualised myself on my knees with my hands together as if praying with a look of anguished desperation on my face. I then visualised myself floating up out of my sleeping body flying up to the moon and doing a little dance of joy on the moon. I went back and forth between the two for a couple of minutes.

Two nights later I woke up paralysed, got out of my body and went for a fly around outside. Still cant manage to fly fast or high enough to get to the moon but I'm sure I'll get there eventually.

When I woke up again I thought I should let my subconcious or I-There or whatever know that it had interpeted me correctly so I replayed the visualisation of me asking for an obe and at the part where I get to the moon I overlayed a big green tick over everything. To show my gratitude and how much it meant to me I then sent an NVC for 'I love you'. A bit soppy perhaps but it meant a lot to me.

I also feel I should mention something glaringly obvious that I figured out just incase theres someone else out there with the same problem. I've woken up paralysed so many times and only just figured out how to get out of my body when in that state. The problem was that I wasnt keeping my eyes closed! I'd wake up, unable to move a muscle except my eyelids. When I'd close my eyes it would feel like I was able to move again so I'd open my eyes only to find I was still paralysed and in the same position. I used to go back and forth like this until I finally woke up. Now I keep my eyes clamped shut, feel my way out of the building and before long I get my astral sight. To think of how many more obe's I'd have had if I only kept my eyes shut!

Weird coincidence, I just tried that this morning for the first time(sort of) and now I'm reading this.

I've got a bad cold and had recently read about the technique in a book on therapeutic yoga I got from the library.

So when I was in the shower this morning I tried tilting my head round so the water could go up my nose. Needless to say it wasnt a pleasant experience lol. I'll need to try making one of these neti pots. I reckon a plastic bottle and small plastic tube like a pen should do the trick.

Thanks for the advice.

Well I looked up kundalini psychosis and it succeeded in scaring me off learning kundalini yoga from a book. So I thank you for that. I'm definitely leaving it alone until I can get a teacher.

Cant we all get along though and have a respectful adult discussion about our different viewpoints? If you post in anger/scorn all you get back is the same. No one wins.

You dont believe in karma!

I almost stopped believing in it myself when I realised the freedoms we have. But I came to reconcile my beliefs in karma and our ability to choose our next lives and where we go when we die.

I now believe we do choose where we go after this life but that we do so by our actions in this life(karma).  For a person who's chosen to lead a "normal" life that could land you in a belief territory or wherever your actions/expectations take you. A person who's chosen path has lead them to AP or other ways of finding truth gains a certain amount of freedom in what they do next. Its still their karma, the results of their choices in life, that gives them those options though.

Thats what I currently believe anyway. My beliefs/ideas are prone to changing though so who's to say what I'll believe tomorrow.

Nice blog btw.

Stuff from the Vedas. I havent checked but I assumed thats where the kundalini stuff comes from. I thought all the old indian stuff came from the Vedas. I read some of the srimad bhagavatam years ago and found alot of wisdom in it. It got me interested and I started looking into the upanishads and other stuff. I've had a lot of respect for vedic knowledge since then. I even started trying to teach myself to read sanskrit before I got sent to prison. It was super hard though so I dont intend to take it up again.

All through my childhood I had not quite recurring dreams but dreams that were set in a reccuring environment. It was glasgow, the city where I'm from, but very different from the city as I know it. It was, well... sort of like in a post appocalyptic film. Buildings were in a bad state of repair, alot of them falling to pieces, alot of them not standing at all. Not many people about.

Most of these dream were me trying to travel across glasgow to find family/friends. It was difficult though as a lot of the city was under water. It was only as I got older that I realised that the places that were under water were the lower parts of the city. In places it was as if the sea had extended inland. The wierd thing is that even though I was a child at the time, in the dreams I was an adult. I still have a fairly good mental map of how that glasgow was layed out.

I've had semi-prophetic recurring dreams that have played out so I'm half expecting something big to happen in my life time. When I say semi-prophetic I dont mean dreaming of things that have happened,  but normal dreams where there are people who I know as a good friend in the dream even though I've never met them in real life. Then years later I've met the person and become good friends with them.

I've kind of got a theory that you can access the normal everyday dreams that you're going to have in the future. Like the place where dreams take place are outside of linear time so the future ones are already there for you to stumble upon sometimes. This isnt a strong belief I have or anything, just an idea.

So as I said, I'm half expecting something big to happen in my lifetime. I'm not making any predictions but 2012 seems as good a date as any. I could be totally wrong of course.

I'm actually with the Capt. here.  I'm really starting to believe that Kundalini is nothing more than a superiority complex.
It's just a new age metaphysical reason for people to feel superior over others.  Nothing more.

I'm tempted to ask why you think that but I dont want to prompt something that might offend others.

I've no experience of kundalini so I cant speak with any knowledge of its existence but I tend to consider vedic knowledge rather credible.

I'm not speaking for your case as I dont know you but with myself I often find that when I feel people are feeling superior its actually just my own inferiorities that are making me feel that way. Not always of course because some people do just have superiority complexes but if its getting to me then thats usually a pretty good sign that I should look inwards. Again I'm not accusing you of anything and dont mean any insult, its just an insight I've made about myself that may/may not apply to others.

All good points.

I actually started reading a book earlier and tried an exercise where you do alternate nostril breathing while pulling energy up to your brow chakra through the nostril you're breathing through. It made me feel a bit wierd.

I think I should probably take your advice and speak to a teacher before I do anything else. Without guidance I dont know if what I'm doing and the effects I get are what is intended or something else.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I disagree, kundalini is new age garbage, and gives you kundalini psychosis with waking hallucinations. That or it just makes you really arrogant and act like a know-it-all when we all know you know nothing.

I'm genuinly surprised that someone who has an interest in the topics discussed on a forum like this would put down people's experiences in such a way.

You're giving of some bad vibes mate.

If its the kundalini you want to raise can I suggest LSD!? 

Yikes! It's taken years for my mind to recover from LSD. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone. I'm not in any great rush to raise my kundalini.

I wouldnt be able to see a teacher often as they only let me out of prison one week each month and I've got very little money for classes. I might do the same as you CFT and take a few lessons and then go it alone with a book or something.

Thanks.

Something I do throughout the day is regularly still my mind. I find when I try and hear what sounds are present around me my thoughts cease. Just stop moving for a few moments and concentrate on hearing the sounds around you like you do when you are trying to pick out a quiet noise thats hidden behind  louder ones.

If I'm intending to attempt an obe at night I try and spend as much time as I can throughout the day visualising myself having one. I picture myself, in the room I will be in, getting up and out of my body.

I'd heard of Moen but never got round to checking him out.

Thanks for the reviews. The books look interesting. I've thought I'd like to do Gateway/Lifeline courses some day. Didnt know there were books out there of other people's experiences of them.

Gonna see if I can find any of them in the library.

I've been thinking I'd like to start doing kundalini yoga.

Does anyone here practice it? Is it the sort of thing I could learn from a book or would I need a teacher? I've got no prevoius yoga experience but have been meditating and doing energy work for a while now. Kundalini yoga is like a combination of the two right?

If learning from a book is do-able any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks, 'blis.

I get it all the time with all sorts of people. It's generally them saying what I'm thinking rather than the other way around.

It used to trouble me quite a lot. I knew people were reacting to my thoughts but I didnt know why. I came up with all sorts of crazy, paranoid ideas as to what was happening.

I'm ok with it now that I understand it and have more control of my thoughts though.

Sweet, the forums are back up!

Had my first Wake Induced Lucid Dream last wednesday. It was awesome!

Maybe it's just because I'm short sighted irl but it actually looked more real than reality.

The funny thing was I wasnt even trying to have one. I'd been struggling to get to sleep that week and was really tired so I was determined to get to sleep quickly that night. I just made sure not to move and to keep my mind quiet. It wasnt too long before I suddenly faded in to the most lucid dream I've ever had.

It cheered me right up. I'd been getting a bit down about the fact I havent been able to project for two months. I never knew dreams could be so awesome!

lol that explains it.

I've got plenty of mental and emotional issues. Guess I need to start meditating more.

When I spend days on end reading fiction I start to dream in spoken narrative.

Like instead of seeing anything, my dreams will just be like, "As he walked through the desert, the sun shone relentesly down upon him." etc, etc.

Whenever I've woken up in the middle of a sentence with no memory of before I've always just assumed I had been having one of those dreams.

I had been doing energy work pretty much every day for the past four months and it was going great.

I went five days without any though and when I tried doing some yesterday I had loads of blockages.

I know I'll be able to get rid of them again but I was wondering if anything is known about what acually causes blockages.

I only have access to the internet for one week out of every 4. My projection attempts actually go better during that week. It's probably because most of the time I spend online is reading about astral experiences and projection techniques.

Ooh, I just had an idea. I'm going to see if I can write a program that will regularly flash subliminal affirmations on my screen.

I just applauded you cause you'd been knocked down to -1 and that didnt seem fair because you only asked a question.

I notice it doesnt let you say why you're applauding them. I've been on some forums where you get to send a short message with any positive or negative rep. Smiting can become kind of constructive then because people can see what it is about their online behaviour that is offending people.

lol I just realised a cd in its case is a circle within a square. I had just read the previous posts. I guess I'm pretty susceptible to the power of suggestion.

I wont make any more guesses unless I think I've actually gotten to the island and seen something.

I havent actually tried going to the island yet but I just closed my eyes and thought about it for a second and saw a blue transparent cd case with a cd in it sitting on a beach.

On two occasions in what felt like the RTZ I looked in a mirror. The first time my face looked like some kind of ogre or something. I wasnt trying to look like that though. The second time I was human but I had someone else's face. That was pretty scary/confusing.

So do you just think about how you would like to look and it happens? Because I wouldnt mind being able to put on some clothes.

Maybe try and convince yourself that it's really important you do it.

If it's really important that I dont oversleep I always wake up early. If I really have to remember something then I somehow do even though I have a terrible memory.

If your computer is in your bedroom you might try setting it to play a soft recording of your voice at a set time telling you, "Wake up," or, "Its time to become aware of your body now and obe". I've no idea if it woud work or not, its just a thought.