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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
OBE takes alot of time to achive and i dont have alot of time So for now im Quiting Obe !
im Moving to Lucid Dreams much more easy to achive

Dani...

Best of luck, man.....but just remember that these things don't come overnight.  I notice that you've only been posting on this board for 9 days, and from what I've seen, most of your posts have expressed some air of frustration and impatience.  This is something that you'll need to work on, or else you'll quickly become discouraged and you won't recognize the progress that you're making.

Everything starts in the mind.  If you doubt yourself in thought, then your actions will mimic that example.



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Sounds to me like you were starting to experience some of the effects that one usually feels when he's aware of being in an altered state of consciousness.

Especially when you mentioned about the blackness you saw with your eyes closed was DIFFERENT than what you normally see when you look behind closed eyelids.  You'll find that many people here see that stage of relaxation as a benchmark to continually get to in order to phase into an astral realm.

If you can reproduce these sensations at will, then you're already farther than you think!


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[Originally posted by Heimdall:]

quote:Originally posted by Heimdall:
I'm asking seriously, because I've tried for quite some time with no results.

Hey man....

Welcome to the board.  I know what you mean, because believe me, I was there.  Hell, look at my picture in my profile and you'll see that I look like your average fun-loving guy.... not some new age guru with a white flowing beard!

I say that because I used to say the same thing, and I know that if I can have an OBE, then ANYONE can!  It's kind of like the dumb kid in class getting an A on his book report assignment.  If HE can do it, then it should be possible for everyone else!

Anyway, believe it or not, what helped me achieve my first experience was to keep a dream journal.  I know, it sounds simple and it may seem like a real pain in the butt, but I guarantee you that it will help you out.  Just every time you wake up, keep a small notepad or something nearby.  Before you go about your day, lay there for a minute and try to recall EVERYTHING that you dreamed.  

What this ends up doing is reinforcing your mind to remember ALL things that you're experiencing while unconscious.  Once I started to do this, my dreams became more vivid and I rememered more of them.  Also, you start to realize that you dream every night......unlike my girlfriend, who says she only remembers a dream once in a blue moon.

Anyway, once you start to remember your dreams every night, your mind begins to build up it's 'perception muscle' (I just made that up) and it helps you to get to the 'mind awake, body asleep' state......which is exactly what you need to project.

Best of luck, man.


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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
This is what im doing when im trying to get into a trance please tell me what im doing worng.
ok im Liying in my bed then i close my eyes, im trying to relax my body
i start from my feet then i move to my head, then after i feel my body is relaxed i imegine im going down in a ladder then after few min i do the Rope
method
WHat am i doing worng ?
How should i feel when im doing the Rope method  ?

Hey Dani, let me ask you.......do you ever have problems going to sleep?  When you've had a long day and you just want to go to bed, do you ever toss and turn?  Most people have trouble falling asleep, and yet, people seem to think that getting into a trance state is completely different than this.

My advice to you is "don't try so hard!"  It sounds like you're trying to concentrate on too many things.  Just do some breath awareness techniques, and that's it.  Don't bite off more than you can chew.  With certain breathing awareness techniques, you will find that your body naturally begins to head towards the trance state.  Focusing on your breathing (as opposed to your physical body sensations) is smarter anyway.

There have been many posts recently regarding breathing techniques.  Do a simple search for them on this forum for more info......but  the bottom line is for you to not try so hard.  Only focus on one thing at that is all.



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[Originally posted by auraseer:]

quote:Originally posted by auraseer:
Hi,
When you know your out, how do you walk and stuff? Do you just walk normally?

Yes!  When we say that being out is just as real (if not MORE real) than your waking physical life, we mean it!  The mazement you would feel if you thrust your hand through your computer monitor is the same way it feels when you're out.

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Edited: Oh yeah, does your whole body supposed to get heavy and paralysed or just a certain area? Because all of the sensations only are felt from my waist down. I feel no sensations at all above my waist.

If you're still sensing your body, then you have a ways to go.  You can't even give  a second thought about your body.  Just forget about it and let it relax while you occupy your mind with other things.  This is why a lot of us project after we've slept for a while, because it's given us time to forget about the body and keep our minds occupied on something else.


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[Originally posted by auraseer:]

quote:Originally posted by auraseer:
Is it best to close your eyes or open them?

It depends on the individual, but I would say the MAJORITY of people do their relaxation techniques with their eyes closed.  THe whole point of getting into a pre-OBE/AP state is to relax your body, forget about your surroundings, and look WITHIN yourself.  It's a little hard to do that when you're still focusing on something in your house.

quote:
How many tries does it take to have an OBE?

Again, that depends on the individual, and how much control they have at phasing out of the physical and into the astral.  For advanced people, it's as simple as switching frequencies on a radio dial.  For dopes like me, I only have a successful projection once a week or so.  It also depends on your mental state at the time, how tired you are, and the amount of distractions that you're dealing with at the time (spouse snoring, sunlight, etc).

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How do you know that you are in OBE form? Does your vision switch over to your astral body?

All I can say is that when you're out, you just know.  Usually, I KNOW when I am projecting....but then I start to doubt myself.  Because it's almost indistinguishable from 'real life,' I usually have to push my hand through a solid object just to convince myself that I'm out!

Don't expect to have different 'astral vision' when you're out, because once you start assuming things and expecting things, it will greatly hinder you.


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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
What do you mean "When you're OOBEing, you're aware that you're not dreaming."  isnt OOBE is kind of a dreaem too ? your body is still in bed

OBE is completely different than a dream.  In a dream, you don't remember it until you wake up.  Your full waking consciousness is not aware of the experience when you're normally dreaming.

When you OBE, your full waking consciousness IS present.  You can think, react, make logical decisions, and do anything else you would normally do in 'real life.'  You can remember every little detail AS ITS HAPPENING as opposed to dreams, where you only remember when you wake up.

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and i got another question  can you Become OBE From Lucid dream ?

Yes.


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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
im liying in bed Trying to get in to trance, But it doesnt work i wait like 10 min And im Still where i started, maybe my technique is not good.
Can you tell me where can i learn Good techniques or somthing ?

Why don't you tell us what you're doing while you're in bed, and maybe we can tell you what you're doing wrong.



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It's funny you mention this, because ever since I started having my OBE's, I've acquired a somewhat acute psychic ability.

For example, right now, I have a strong feeling that I'm not going to finish this sent......


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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
How can i know if its a lucid dream or a OBE?
i had a lucid dream that im in my room sitting near the computer
isnt it the same like in OBE ?
How can i tell the diferrent between The two ?

To put it bluntly, when you're lucid dreaming you're aware that you're dreaming.  When you're OOBEing, you're aware that you're not dreaming.

It all boils down to how much conscious awareness you have at the time of the experience.  If you have awareness but you don't have good control over your mind/imagination, you will be in a lucid dreamlike environment.  Otherwise, if you can control your mind and keep it at bay (without having it run all over the place as it normally likes to do), then you can have a controlled OBE.



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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
i never had a OBE before or Astral Prjection or any thing else(accept Lucid dream), and i dont reall know what is the difrrenet Between all of this, but is it true that u canReally be in The Reall time zone While projection ?

Yes, it's true.


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[Originally posted by Leyla:]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla:
What's up with that? Is this anyones elses experience? I see vivid color on the astral- but in real time it's all black and white.

In fact- often I will slip out of body and then look at my comforter (red, green, and blue) to check and see if I'm out of body.

If it all looks grey- that's how I know I'm out.

That's strange!  I can't say that I've ever experienced only black and white vision.  However, when I have real time projections, it's usually at night, so it's hard for me to see color in that environment.  But whenever it's been daylight, I've had no trouble seeing color.

Maybe it's a mental thing with you, where now, everytime you find yourself out, you're subconsciously convinced that black and white vision is a GOOD thing, so you end up seeing things that way whenever you rollout of your body.  Just a thought.



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[Originally posted by dani:]

quote:Originally posted by dani:
i Never had OBE before but i had lucid dream How reall OBE's can be ?

Holy christ!  Allow me to regain some of my hearing back after you screamed your question in here!

Just kidding.  As fURIX mentioned, when you have an OBE, they can be more realistic than your everyday waking life.  Many times, I've gotten out of body, and still I doubted if I was awake or having an OBE.  It wasn't until I thrusted my hand through a wall that I was able to convince myself that I wasn't in my body.


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Ginny,

It's good to see you posting here!  I hope you stick around.  I don't have time to read your account right now, but I just wanted to drop you this quick line and say "Welcome to the forum!"


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Donna....

If Adrian doesn't get back to you, send me your emails, and I can throw them up on my server.....that way, we can just post one link to everyone and they can view them online that way.  Could you save you a lot of time as opposed to emailing everyone all the time.


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[Originally posted by Nate:]

quote:Originally posted by Nate:
this morning I woke up to really heavy vibrations and I was having problems keeping my eyes open. When I did have them sort of open I saw purple elephant-man people with spears drawn on the wall. There was also two millenium items (something from the cartoon Yu-gi-oh) hanging on wall. There was the millenium ring ( that's in the show) and under it was the millenium hangbag (that one's not in the show).  Of course at the time this all made perfect sense.
Anyway, the vibrations were getting intense so I tried focusing on falling hoping that I could get out of my body. I ended going back into a dream where I was working at the dump moving bails of hay.
I'm still trying to figure if it was all a dream or if I was really almost projecting. Who would have thought this would be all so complicated?

Do you have any idea how BORING immortality can get?! -Defalco

In my opinion, which seems to change a lot after each experience that I have, there are two KEY things to projecting:

1) Maintain a high level of consciouss awareness
2) Having strong control over your thoughts

If you only have a high level of awareness but you can't control your thoughts, then you experience something like a lucid dream, where you see lots of wierd things like purple elephant people.  You're aware of them, but things are so dreamlike that you become confused.

Consequently, if you have strong control of your thoughts but you can't maintain a high level of awareness, you may wake up in the morning with only bits and pieces of  memory recall of some OBE that you had.  You may remember vibrations and that's it.  Or you may remember talking to someone and nothing more.

So you see, the balance is to have BOTH a strong degree of awarenenss AND a good handle on your thoughts/imagination.



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[Originally posted by Leviiathan:]

quote:Originally posted by Leviiathan:
Okay, let's try something a little more open-ended:

What problems did Projectioners first experience and how did they overcome them? It seems no one's responding to my questions. Is it because they can't relate, or because they don't know? Or is it because they feel my questions don't warrant an answer?

Hey there....

I just hadn't responded because I've been very busy.  The main problem that plagued me for a very long time was getting my vision.  You can do a search through all my posts on this forum to see how I overcame that (basically by remaining calm and taking a few deep astral breaths).

Now I still battle with getting out of the black void without becoming disorientated and losing control.  This doesn't happen all the time, but every now and then, I blow a good experience by not being able to convert this emptiness into something visual and tangible.

To answer your ROPE question, I can't really help you there, since I don't use the ROPE technique.  For me, I usually roll out of my body, because it's very natural and something that we're used to doing everyday when we get out of bed.  I don't know about you, but climbing a rope is just not something I'm used to!



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[Originally posted by Zarklon:]

quote:Originally posted by Zarklon:
What could that possibly be ? Has anyone had that ?  I think it was my astral bdy trying to come out or something but I was just stuck and it kept zapping me back before I could get even an inch out =P  Does this sound normal to anyone?

You know, a person should always go with their first instincts!  You said exactly what I was going to say.  It sounds to me like you were trying to separate, but you were focusing on the membrane that you pass through from physical to astral, if that makes any sense.

On many occasions, when I've analyzed the sounds I hear when separating, it sounds very electric.  It almost sounds the way those light sabers sounded in Star Wars when they were turned on.

I've also noticed a sound similar to this when I pass through solid objects.  

Anyway, I wouldn't worry....it's completely normal.




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[Originally posted by Meg:]

quote:Originally posted by Meg:
Sorry folks, I just thought of another questions I've been meaning to post. Everyone is always saying that when you strart hearing voices and images pop into your head, that means you are getting close to the astral.  This happens to me frequently just as I am going to sleep - sometimes an OBE follows after the aforesaid 90 mins, sometimes not (or else I have forgotten.) Now, my question is this: HOW exactly do I go from the point of having this "astral perception" to actually being out of body? The images/voices don't necessarily accompany any vibrations, mostly they don't, in fact.
Ta,
Meg

Meg, I Know what you mean.  The majority of my projections have happened after I've drifted off to sleep, only to snap back to my full waking awareness some point later.

This is what I believe is the key to making a full, conscious projection without losing awareness.  First, you're on the right track by relaxing and analyzing any hypnogogic imagery that comes before you.  As I've mentioned before, I always try to hold a stare on these images, which become incredibly vivid before disappearing.

The more these images come to me, and the longer I can hold them, I take that as a sign that I'm getting close to the astral border.

Now the tricky part, and I'm only speaking from my experience here.  It may be different for others.  I think at some point, you have to "let go" and let the built-up INTENT that you've created propell you through that thin border of the astral realm and your imagination.

For example, you and I have both seen that after some time to sleep, we seem to "spontaneously" wake up with the ability to leave our bodies, right?  Well, I think if we were to not necessarily lose consciousness, but lose control (e.g. get out of the drivers seat for a couple of seconds), that's all we need to have our INTENT take over and push us into that point where we've crossed over and we're ready to exit.

Make sense?  This is why it's constantly stressed that having a STRONG intent is key, because when get to a certain point, it's this built-up intent which takes over....like carrying a small child to bed from the living room....and places us where we need to be.  Sometimes this carrying process takes a second or two, which creates the illusion that we never gave up any control.  Other times, it takes hours, and we wake up in the middle of the night, already in the place we need to be.

That's just my theory on it.


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[Originally posted by Gandalf:]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
Thanks for that Jeff, I gave it a go last night and after five minutes or so lying in bed, I felt myself relax a bit as you do before going to sleep.
Sure enough, after a few more minutes, faint images of what looked like geometric shapes and also blobs of colour stated to appear in the distance of my 'black' field of vision. (my eyes shut of course) as I fixed on them they disolved however. Am I on the right track here? Perhaps practice every night will imrove on this.

Definitely on the right track, my friend.  The more you're aware of this, the easier these images come, and clearer too.

quote:
Another interesting effect that I have often got before I drop off is this:
Sometimes as I am lying there with my eyes shut staring at the 'black field', waves of white (or greyish) blobs fly past me from the edges of my peripheral vison, they will increase in intensity and speed before fading out again after a minute or so.
Is this effect related in any way do you think?

Could be.  I know that if you see these within the first few minutes of closing your eyes, I usually attribute those as after images (as your eyes get used to the dark).  However, if I'm meditating for more than 5 minutes and I see ANYTHING (colors, objects, shapes, etc), I never take those lightly.  I always try to focus in on those.

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PS, that thing with watching yourself in the mirror till everything fades to black apart from your image... yeah, I ve done that... I dont know what causes it but it sure is freaky!

Yeah, it was a good analogy for what happens to me when I stare at the blackness in my field of vision.

quote:
The fact that your face changes out of all recognition is also weird, of coure I think the whole thing is brought about from keeping your eyes open for to long.... so its probably not very healthy for them!

Yeah, you can get some pretty freaky distortions when you do that.


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[Originally posted by fURIX:]

quote:Originally posted by fURIX:
Is there anyone else that experince thishttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_question.gif" border=0> [/font=Arial]

All the time...except I mostly experience this as a blackness as opposed to a grayness.  It's extremely important that when you're in this void, that you remain calm.

I still have trouble most of the time when I find myself flailing around in this void, but if I remain calm and image myself grabbing onto something...anything....then I get my bearings back and my vision slowly kicks in.


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[Originally posted by Tracy:]

quote:Originally posted by Tracy:
5.  Favorite kind of films?  Phenomenon with John Travolta, A Knights Tale, and others and I like MASH.

Awwww.....I knew you liked me!


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Hmmmmmm........so they claim it can be done, but you have to pay an official ADC Therapist to assist you?  Unless I'm missing something, that sounds awfully fishy to me.  Just come out and say what the techniques are, for God's sake!


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I don't know about that, my friend.  Last time I tried to focus on someone like that, I was physically injured.

Of course, I was in a bar, focusing on some girl's breasts before she slapped me......so I think I might have something to do with it.

I'll have to research that more and get back to you.


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[Originally posted by Zarklon:]

quote:Originally posted by Zarklon:
this is what gets me ... I heard in the treatise on OOBE that you should like .. move with your mind and stuff .. well , why do I hear that some people that go astral have a hard time sometimes figuring out if its real or astral and they dont move with their mind at all .. itsl ike moving with their phsycal body but instead its their astral one .. IN the treaties it explains how you have to think about moving .. doesnt it ?   So when someone said that "When you get paralysis you should try moving with every ounce of energy you have until you break free from your physical *even though it doesnt respond to movement* "  could they be all wrong or what ?  When you go astral is it more like movin in physical or is it totally different? I'm confused now ... http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_evil.gif" border=0>

Can anyone clarify this for me  ?Thanks

Zarklon.....

I know it sounds confusing....that is, until you find yourself doing it.  I think once you're in this altered state of consiousness, a lot of the movement and motor skills come naturally.  After all, we're all spiritual beings by nature.

To try and answer your question, you are indeed moving by thought alone, but if you think about it, this isn't any different than the physical realm.  

You see, we're all indoctrinated from birth to believe that in order to get from point A to point B, our legs take us there.  But everything begins with a thought, in your mind.  You think about getting something a drink, you tell yourself to go, and your body just follows.  

It's the same in the astral.  You think about walking through a wall, you tell yourself to go, and your astral body just follows.  The reason why many of us find it hard to distinguish between the real worl and the astral is that a lot of the same, physical like sensations still carry over.  Solid things still feel solid.  People and buildings and cars still exist.  For all intents and purposes, it can look exactly as the real world looks now.  

The only difference is that there is a knowing that you're not in your physical body, but that somehow, your consciousness is detached from it.  It's quite amazing.




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