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Hallo Skywalker and welcome Back.

It's good to see a former member return. There IS a close link between dreams, lucid dreams and the astral planes. My recent focus has been on converting/transitioning lucid dreams into OBEs. This has worked well this past month and many other people have been successful at it as well. So this is a method that Can work for you too.

Good Luck 
Grey

Hallo Tyronne and welcome.
I second AstralBloggers comment that 2 LDs a month is actually a lot more than most people can manage.
So if you are interested in OBEs I suggest that you check out the FAQ forum. Read about several of the OBE methods, pick one or two of those and try them for a few weeks. Keep trying different methods until something works.

Good Luck 
Grey

Hallo Fourthdimension
I read somewhere that most people actually Do lose consciousness for a second or two when going out of body. This probably occurs for some people from time to time and does not apply for everyone. Or maybe strong emotions prevent you from going OBE?   An alternative is to project directly out of a dream or a lucid dream where there is already a continuous state of consciousness.
btw what technique do you practice? Have you tried the 'roll out' method?

Regards
Grey

Hallo the8reader
My advice is to talk to those youth on a one on one basis. Don't bring the subject of OBEs and astral projection up on a group level Because there are certain to be people who will be close minded and skeptical and that can immediately kill any meaningful discussion. So talk to as many people individually as possible. If a particular person is close minded or skeptical and refuses to believe, makes disparaging remarks etc then let it go and don't press the issue. Discuss OBEs at length only with people who show a positive outlook or who are open minded skeptics. That way you won't rub anyone the wrong way or waste your time.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings apsinvo
You asked,

Was this an almost OBE?

Exactly, yes an almost OBE. Or
You actually did go out of body for a few seconds = a very short OBE, but with no astral eyesight or
you had a partial separation, meaning a partial OBE = not all of your astral/ethereal body separated.

Either way that is a sign that you Are making good progress And are Very close to managing a full OBE.
BTW the 'roll out' method that you used is a very effective technique so try that again next time. And next time ask for "clarity Now !" or "Vision Now" in order to get astral vision.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Jilt
Having the ability to return to a specific astral area and become familiar with the residents and environs there is a BIG bonus. I have journeyed to many unusual astral realms but have Never been able to deliberately return to any of them.  It's not for want of desire or trying, it's just that my own astral travels seem to be mostly random.
So, any advice or info you can provide as to how you manage to return to those same astral locales (like "Zion", and where/what is that btw?)
would be greatly appreciated. 

Regards
Grey

Hallo AstralBlogger and welcome.
I look forward to reading both your astral blog and your posts in these forums.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Pharoah and welcome to Astral Pulse.
Certainly at least one of the experiences that you posted was an OBE so you Do have a skill at projecting out of body. Your next step would be to read about different OBE methods and to try some of those techniques. It is possible to induce an OBE on a regular basis. For most people it takes practice and some effort. This is actually not very difficult. It might requrie continued practice and patience.

Good luck 
Grey 

Hi wisintel
Yes, affirmations Do work. I repeat several affirmations each night before sleep. Included are --
"I will induce and recognize an OBE tonight",
I will remember one or more dreams tonight" and "
"I will recognize an incongruity in the next dream".
Of course these do not work every night yet they work enough to constantly use them.

About having LOOoong OBEs  . Having only a relatively few long projections and many short OBEs is actually the norm. That includes myself too. And yet I cannot figure why some OBEs last hours and many projections only last minutes??

For what its worth I would suggest talking to your great aunt. Actually having a physical person to talk to for support is VERY valuable. Posting on an internet forum is nice but can't compete with actually talking to someone face to face.

Regards 
Grey

Hi scopey and welcome.
You will feel at home here as many of the members are experienced projectors. I look forward to reading some of your experiences in the forums here.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo CANNIBALEX and welcome (back).
I remember you. Good to see that you've returned. Are you still interested in OBEs and astral projection or have you taken an extended break?

Regards 
Grey

Hallo wabisabi10  and welcome.
The books by Rogo and Bruce are interesting and worth reading. I have not read the book by Walker. Here are a couple more books that are well worth reading --- "Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert Monroe and "Adventures Beyond the Body" by William Buhlman.

Regards 
Grey

Hi Dreaming Art
"Her name is Stella.   

That's sweet. If she has a sister then let me know, yeah? 

Regards 
Grey

Hallo wisintel
Your extended journeys out of body are impressive. So is your recall of the events. Many people cannot remain out of body very long. Many other people, myself included, can manage long extended OBEs on occasion but are unable to recall most of the events and details of the experience.
I am curious if any of your family have come to terms with your ability to go out of body and accept your OBEs as genuine experiences?? Or do they still think that you are only dreaming?

Regards 
Grey

Xanth, you wrote

While asking the question of "are we in our body?" definitely has some applicable merit to other portions of our knowledge as such you've pointed out ( Smiley ), I don't believe it helps beginners in their quest of experiencing the larger reality personally.

Yes, I quite agree about it not being much help to beginners.
That is one reason that I try to suggest methods and techniques in answer to beginners questions and try to stay away from theories and concepts.  Let the beginners have a few OBEs/phases/LDs/APs and then let them decide for themselves what it all means.

Just a word or two (or 3) about other people's experiences. Personally I find it impossible to be totally objective and impartial. Usually if a person posts an OBE or phase or AP experience on one of these forums AND that person is a long term member then I am Much more likely to accept that experience as true. It does Not mean that I will accept every part of the account as fact. Yet in general it is safe to assume that an OBE report by a long standing member here at Astral Pulse (or Astral Viewers or Astral Dynamics or wherever) is accurate and truthful.
Also I accept many but not all NDE reports as factual and truthful --- even though I do not know the person who posted that NDE account. Perhaps I am naive yet some things DO ring true to me (and conversely some reports Do sound too much like B.S). So I Do put a lot of credibility in many NDE and OBE accounts --- although I realize that nobody else is under any constraints to do so as well.

Regards 
Grey

Pauli2, you wrote

I

could think of one third alternative to being IN or OUT of body during phase. The concept of 3-D space may not be applicable in the case of phasing, so it may not be possible to talk about IN- or OUT-of-body. If you have no space, you have no place where to be IN or OUT.

Phasers are like 2-dimensional creatures in a 3-dimensional world, who can't grasp the concept of UP & DOWN.  You could of course define _exactly_ what you mean by space in the astral, but I haven't read any such valid definition yet.

Could the concept of no valid space in the phase be the reason to a possible mis-concept about IN & OUT?

Yes, I concur.  And this is why I still have major doubts about phasing being an actual out of body experience. As I posted earlier here I consider phasing to be quite similar, perhaps even identical, to remote viewing. Remote viewers perceive external environments from afar yet they do Not (even according to the remote viewers themselves) ever leave their physical bodies.

Xanth, you wrote

I guess my entire stance on this debate of "Are we in these bodies to being with?" is... that it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Let me here state a very important reason why this DOES matter. The concept of a consciousness existing apart and independently from a physical body has Huge implications for the belief of survival of bodily death.
Now you have made a continued and strong argument for personal experience being the only true bases for belief. That is fine and for the sake of this argument I can concede that point. My argument here is that OBEs and NDEs ARE just those personal experiences that provide personal belief in survival of physical death. NDEs are especially powerful and convincing experiences.
Fortunately I have never had a NDE. Yet I have read a lot of account by people who have had an NDE.
Here is the important point - regardless of how I perceive these NDEs MANY people who have had NDEs believe absolutely and unconditionally that they have been shown that there IS a continuing existence after physical death. To them this is Proof and Many say so plainly and unequivocally in their accounts. So, to summarize these NDEs accounts - a person has a medical emergency, they nearly die, their consciousness leaves their physical body during this time, they (sometimes) see and hear events that they would not normally be able to see and hear, sometimes they meet deceased relatives or friends, they eventually survive and return to their physical body. Sometimes the NDE is immediately recalled and integrated. Sometimes the NDE is not recalled or integrated (understood) for days, weeks or months. Eventually though, for the person involved, the NDE Is the personal experience that provides Belief in life after death.
This is a major life changing event. And, I can also confidently state that some people are convinced about survival after death once they have had an OBE.
This is why the "debate of "Are we in these bodies to being with?" ("to begin with?) Does indeed matter. It matters Very Much in fact. Even if it Only provides proof to the experiencers themselves and nobody else it is a Vital question that should not be overlooked or trivialized.

Regards 
Grey

Noy

I have not left   

Oops   
O Yeah, Whoo Hoo ! 

Grey

Hallo Bedeekin
I am somewhat surprised about your answer to my first question,
1) during a classic OBE (non-phasing, non NDE) does a person's consciousness move outside of his or her's physical body (either in whole or in part)?

Your (partial) reply was

Suffice to say I think that a kind of sensory perception is externalized... or 'out' so to speak. But... this is not consciousness... it isn't a mass of thinking matter.

Based on my own experiences I must state that I strongly believe that the individual consciousness DOES move apart from and outside of the physical body during an OBE. The idea that only

sensory perception is externalized... or 'out' so to speak. But... this is not consciousness.

is more relevant to the process of remote viewing than OBEs. I can't quite conceptualize the belief that an out of body experience is, in fact, an experience that takes place only inside and never outside of the physical body.
Here is where I separate dreams from OBEs. Dreams occur entirely inside the physical brain and the dream locations, characters and events are all internal creations. OBEs and APs occur entirely outside the physical body (where the complete consciousness or at least a certain layer of consciousness) is outside the body. And most of the beings and locations are Not the creations of the OBEer.
Now I have not had several thousand OBEs and APs. I Have had a few hundred. Yet this is enough to convince Me that OBEs are truly experiences out of the (physical) body. I am certainly open to reading any arguments to the contrary. Such arguments are most probably wasted in my case but I will certainly take the time to read and reply to any.

Regards Phasing. I have no strong opinions either way. Again I have never managed to phase directly out of body. So with no experiences I cannot come to any strong conclusions.

Yes the computer and the user Is a decent metaphor for layers of consciousness. And yet it is too limited in scope and extent. Much like trying to use the analogy of a two dimensional map describing the physical objects (trees, houses, cars, etc) of three dimensional space.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings all
I feel compelled to post a response here. I should mention that possibly I have been here the longest among all non-moderators. I became a member back in 2002 or early 2003.
So let me articulate what I feel about the Astral Pulse.
When I started here I had about 6 or 7 years of experience with OBEs but had never been a member of a forum like this. I have never had a serious problem with any member or moderator. Only on two or three occasions have I had a serious disagreement with anyone here.
The only time that I ever became suspicious about anything here was when I read an article, posted on another website, about how Robert Bruce had originally started Astral Pulse and how Robert Bruce eventually lost control over this website to several people. I could go into details and yet will not do so because it is not immediately relevant to this thread. Anyway the gist of this is that I was concerned that Frank Kepple's "phase' model was going to be valued at Astral Pulse to the near exclusion of all other theories.
Let me state categorically and unequivocally that this is not the case and has never been the case. Phasing is discussed here at length, yes but so are all other theories, models, methods and techniques of OBEs and astral projection.
Now Frankly I am not 100 % sold on the concept of phasing. To me it sounds too much like remote viewing. And yet I HAVE managed to phase directly out of a lucid dream, (and a non-lucid dream too btw) into an OBE. So I Am open to discussions of phasing. Even if I was not open minded to it then I would simply avoid those threads about Phasing and concentrate on other posts.
So, let me conclude.
Yes there is probably some bashing. It really is not too bad here although when one is the Target of a bash it can seem excessive.
The mods do a Good job.
Every big site does lose valued members from time to time. That just happens. Fortunately Astral Pulse has managed to keep a solid cadre of experienced, intelligent and articulate OBEers and astral projectors. These members consistently share their OBEs here and try to encourage and help new members.
To new members. Yes, I admit it -- I can get bored to tears answering the same questions time and again. [Anyone care to guess how many posts in these forums are titled, "Was this an OBE or a dream?" (or something very similar).] Try to understand that even the most experienced members here cannot possibly answer most of your questions. Think about it, if you are not sure if your experience was a dream or a lucid dream or an OBE then How is anybody else going to be able to determine that simply by reading your post??   The other members and I can only take an educated guess on many occasions and reply accordingly.
Oh yes, and one more thing, I never had any problems with Noy and did Not want to see him leave. 

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Dreaming Art and welcome.
And congratulations on your first OBE. And an eventful OBE too. Many people, (and I probably among them  ) would be somewhat envious of encountering a beautiful naked women during the first OBE.

Nice 
Grey

[Must]

Greetings
I am getting into this thread a bit late. However, in accordance with good forum ettiquette I did read all of the preceding 5 pages.
Pauli has appealed to someone to spell this all out. Others think that all has been explained. I agree with Pauli.
So, 1) during a classic OBE (non-phasing, non NDE) does a person's consciousness move outside of his or her's physical body (either in whole or in part)?
I strongly aver that the consciousness Does move beyond the physical body. If there is disagreement with this belief then now is the time to express it here.

2) In a "phase' experience does the consciousness move outside of the physical body (either in whole or in part)? I have no strong belief about phasing to defend or to oppose BTW.

3) Any debate of consciousness Must include a discussion of how many 'layers' of individual consciousness actually exist. The simplest level would posit only Two layers -- physical brain and superphysical mind. However, there may be many more as, for example, the various Hindu models that posit three, four, five or even more levels (including a causal body, a mental body, a atmic body and others).
So, obviously the physical brain remains in the body during an OBE (and a phase?, yes?). But what about the other layer/layers of consciousness. Do they separate and move outside the physical body during an OBE? (That is/was the classical theory held by the great projectors of the past (Monroe, Fox, Muldoon, et al)) Or are the other layer/layers of consciousness ALREADY located outside the physical body and the concentration focus is simply transitioned from the physical brain to another layer/layers during a classical OBE? (and ditto for a Phase).
I terminate this post here in order to allow replies of reasonable length.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings
Alright, I just posted a long response (for me anyway) and it mysteriously disappeared. Dam Anyway here is a VERY shorten abbreviated version of that lost post.
First. Vibrations are helpful yet not absolutely necessary for going OOB. In my informal OBE Survey Vibrations were mentioned in only about 15 to 25 % of all OBE reports.
Second Lucid dreams Vs OBEs. Many people Do mistake LDs for OBEs, especially inexperienced projectors. My theory has a "grey area' of consciousness where LDs and OBEs overlap. This allows for dual consciousness, vis experiencing both an OBE and a LD simultaneously. (BTW this is something that happened to me in a recently posted OBE, tilted "New Orleans Phase, which is to be found in this forum).
Third. Phasing. To me Phasing is more like remote viewing that OBEs. Yet I remained open minded. I will admit that phasing out of a dream (or LD) into an OBE is a valid method.  In fact I have managed to do a few times recently. I used the term transition into an OBE but 'phasing' into an OBE is equally valid.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Oni and welcome.
Your written is Okay. It is easy to understand.
Demonology! Wow. I have never met a demon either out of body or in the flesh. That's a good thing! I have encounters demons once or twice in dreams. Nasty creatures.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Astral316
As an add on to the Notes I mentioned that at the point where I got into bed and then got into a fight --- the OBE had most likely become a dream again. My state of consciousness was very hazy and I strongly suspect the experience just transitioned back into a dream. It may have had something to do with energy. If I had enough energy to get outside the house then the experience might have become interesting. But I did not have enough energy so it turned into a dream.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo Mykorock and welcome.
Your written English is quite good.
Those vibrations are actually common sensations which sometimes indicate that an out of body experience is about to happen.

Regards 
Grey