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Opiate, where are you getting your information and why do you think it is not a science? I do not know a lot about it, but I have heard many good things about people who have been to a Chiropractor.

quote:Originally posted by Avalon

"I will know when it matters. Live life as best you can, Love as much as you can, and Learn as much as you can. What else is there?"

Great philosophy, simply put and it gets down to the basics.

Thank you [] What better place to start than simple and basic.

Sorry, my bad. I forgot 0^0 = 1.

What are the effects of alcohol on the immune system? It can make you feel better, but does it hinder your body's ability to fight illness? Seems like I read that somewhere, but since most medicines contain it it must not be too much of an effect.

The Vick's Vapor Rub helped a lot. Tea and honey helped with the throat and cough. Before bed I had a glass of red wine. That made me feel better, eased the pains, and helped me sleep. I feel a little better today.

Thank you two for the advice. []

quote: I find you to be evasive.

Who are you talking to? If me, I am far from being evasive, unless by evasive you mean that I will not whole heartly accept your point of view then yes I am being evasive. lol

quote:Exothen is challenging your beliefs and asking questions, if you do not want to concede to him being right you should answer.

Is this your and exothen's purpose, Musterseed. To be right? No one can prove to be right or wrong, because everything relies upon opinion and beliefs. There are no facts on this. If you two wish to discuss, that is great. If you wish to prove yourself right and those that disagree with you wrong, well that is never going to happen, atleast in this life time. []

quote:Then please, enlighten me if I am wrong instead of just stating it.

I did. lol

quote:If time were infinite, that means infinite into the past as well. But if we are still here trying to progress through an already infinite amount of time, then obviously we should have been perfect already.

I see the problem. You are trying to put your beliefs into a part of another belief without trying to see how the two could fit together.

Let us say that time is infinite. If it is infinite then your view of finite souls does not work. It would have to be a cycle. The way I see it there is the source, we will call it God for your sake. Souls flow out of God infinitely, come to Earth, then flow back to God. It is an unending cycle.

quote:You would have to prove some correlation between time and the number of souls.

But you do not?

quote:Yes, God is infinite. You answered your second question yourself. A 'creation' is something that is created by someone else and implies that it came into being at a point in time. How can a 'creation' be infinite? It wouldn't be a creation if it existed for eternity.

If God is infinite, why can he not create something that is infinite? You are thinking in linear terms. An entity that is infinite would not be linear and could create things that are not linear as well.

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And why would reincarnation be so hard to grasp from a Christian point of view?
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Because as I have shown, it is irrational and illogical.

I do not see where you have shown this. How is it irrational and illogical for God to give souls as long as they need to return to him?

quote:Does that not imply good and evil, right and wrong? But you have made the point I was making - good and evil become blended so as to not exist with a karmaic belief system. So why should people get punished for something that is not wrong or rewarded for something that is not right?

It is not about right and wrong, though you can view it that way. It is more about what is productive and destructive. As from my example, you hit someone they hit you back, if a person likes fighting they are not being punished. Punishment is only point of view. We lean towards those things we like, and not everyone likes the same thing.

quote:1. Moral argument: in pantheism "there is no source for the moral standards that karma enforces." Since there is no ultimate difference between good and evil, all morality becomes relative. But if nothing is right or wrong, then "karma has no business punishing anyone for it."

As I stated it is not about punishment. It is about experience. It is about learning. You hit someone, they hit you back. If you like the pain and fighting you may do it again. If you do not then you will not do it again. It is about learning.

quote:2. Social argument: if we have had hundreds, or more, chances to improve over millions of years, we should have made moral progress, but there is no evidence of that. As an aside, morality has to be absolute in order to even draw a comparison, otherwise, to what standard is one comparing?

This goes off the assumption that everyone existed at the beginning of a finite time. And then was given time to follow a certain path. But if not everyone was present millions of years ago as individual souls then they all are on a different time scale. Some souls can be incarnating here for the first time. And who is to say what the purpose is? Does it have to be a Christian morality? What if all are just here to learn and experience?

quote:3. Problem of Evil and Infinite Regress: "if suffering in this life always results from evil done in a previous life, then there would have to be an infinite regress of past lives. But an infinite regress in time is not possible, since if there were an infinite number of moments before today, then today would never have come." Since today has come, there has not been an infinite number of past lives. And, of course, science tells us that time isn't eternal.

"On the other hand, if there were not an infinite number of lives before this one, then there must have been a first life in which a previous incarnation was not the cause of its evil."

I do not think that suffering comes from evil, as I do not believe in evil. So I will not comment on that. What I do not understand is this statement: "since if there were an infinite number of moments before today, then today would never have come." If time is infinite then there is also infinite number of days after today. Today is within time. Saying that infinite time does not exist because today exists is illogical.

quote:4. Problem of Infinite Time and Lack of Perfection: "In an infinite amount of moments there is more than enough time to achieve the perfection of all souls which reincarnation is designed to do. In short, all souls hould have achieved oneness with God by now, if there had been an infinite amount of time to do so. But they have not. Hence, reincarnation has failed as a solution to the problem of evil."

Reincarnation is not a solution to evil. Evil is reletive. As I stated above infinite time is possible if the process of the soul is a cycle. You are stating it is linear. Viewing it as linear then no it is not possible to be infinite. But as a cycle it is possible.

When I was in high school I had an a spontaneous projection. I did not know what had happened at the time. A few years later I told a friend about the experience. She told me what it was that happened. After that I have been interested in it. Though as of late my interest has actually faded a bit and have been interested in energy work.

quote: 0^0 * 1^1 * 2^2 * 3^3 * 4^4 * 5^5

Isn't 0 * any number = 0?
Better take the 0 out of the equation. []

Work on your posture. During the day sit up straight. It might feel odd at first, especially if you are not use to sitting in the proper position, but give it a week or two and your back will feel a lot better. Worked for me. Sometimes I slack of, like when I do not feel well. If I do so for too long I start having back pains again.

As for wanting to sleep, try not to let your thoughts drift during the day. Try to keep control of them. Pay attention to what you are doing. When your thoughts drift off, bring them back as soon as you notice. This will help when you are wanting to meditate and/or project and your mind will not stay on what you are wanting to do.

I read the e-book. I think it is a very good read. I do not know if it is fact or fiction, but I don't think it really matters. It points out the flaws with our current society, those things which are truly dangerous to us morally. Of coarse there is no suggestions on how to really go about fixing these things. It is probably because of this lack of information on how that makes it seem more fiction. I mean, what is the point of an alien race coming here, picking up the guy, and then only point out the things that are wrong with our society, all of which any person that opens their eyes can clearly see. An example is money. They say that we must do any with our current economy system that promotes greed. But how? Many people cannot imagine life without money. So it does not seem like something that could just happen over night. Why don't they offer us ideas on how to change to a moneyless system?

The stories they give on Earth's past are definitely interesting. I cannot say that I believe or disbelieve them, but they are interesting.

Read the book. It is well worth it. Then you can decide for yourself. If you enjoy reading a good story then your time will not be wasted.

Thank you, Links. I have been drinking green tea today. Luckily I usually have some with me here at work. I did not think about Vick's Vapor Rub, thanks. Now it is about time to head home for a dose of honey. I don't think cough syrup works all that well, atleast it does not for me.

Thank you []

But how do they know he is conscious, Lighthouse?

It would all depend on the damage, but does not coma mean unconscious? How is coma defined?

I am not perceiving what you have posted as Christian, or atleast totally Christian. I was referring to all the posts in this thread. Some contain alot of Christianity. Also I was not referring to this thread only, but to the topics in general. Christianity seems to follow into Atheism areas, but likewise Atheism seems draw into Christianity areas.

I am not truly an Agnostic or Atheist. We could discuss our spirituality, but that is probably best put elsewhere because I really would hate to draw a sticky thread totally off topic. But I do associate some with Agnosticism because for the most part I truly do not know. I also feel that it is not as ultimate to know as some religions like to promote. I will know when it matters. Live life as best you can, Love as much as you can, and Learn as much as you can. What else is there?

I usually sleep on my sides or stomach. I meditate, energy work, and project on my back or sometimes sitting. I don't think position is as important as being comfortable.

I do not know for sure, but I would say that you are right in part. They are not exactly locked out as you don't ever leave your body. They probably are conscious on the astral. But on the physical their bodies are damaged that will not allow it to function in the physical body, so they are not conscious on the physical. You could say they are locked out in a way. But this is just my thought.

quote:Many people reject the religion of their childhoods and turn to a period of constant evolution in discovering who they are.

I disagree with this. Those that choose to explore beyond what they have been taught, then yes this is true. But I do not think that many people do this when looking at the population as a whole. But I live in the Bible Belt. Almost everyone I meet is of some form of Christianity and never consider anything else. They may switch between different forms of Christainity (if that is what you mean then ok I agree, but that is not what I see you saying), but they never look at other religions such as Islam, Buddism, etc.

I am not saying that opposing views are not good. I am asking why does Atheism and Agnosticism seem to go hand in hand with Christianity. You rarely see just Atheism and/or Agnosticism discussed by themself. You don't see Christianity brought up in the Taoism, Buddhism, or Druidism sections. Nor do I seem those brought up here.

I will try to bring this discussion onto topic. []

Christianity offers no true proofs of anything of a divine nature beyond this world. If such were true, then the divine would offer reasonable proof for those "created" by such a divinity with a reasoning, rational mind. No proof is given so even if such a thing should exist it must not be of any importance for us to believe and worship it.

All of the moral and society teachings within Christianity, and all religions, are really based upon common sense and possibly trial and error of what works in order to maintain order within a society.

Love is something we all experience. We all long to be loved and accepted because we are a social species. Safety in numbers. A large group of humans had a much better chance of survival than a lone human. It seems entirely logical that we developed emotions to encourage and maintain social groups inorder to ensure our survival. Love does not prove any divinity exists.

Being social animals love and caring is important for the group. By caring for the group over self the species as a whole is better ensured survival. So love your neighbor only makes sense. It does the group little good if one person eats their fill while others starve. The others die off, one is left, one is less likely to survive.

I find Exothen's quotes about Karma and Reincarnation to be rather foolish and express a lack of willingness to even try to grasp their concepts. I do not believe in reincarnation, atleast not as most people do. What I do not understand is how the conclusion is made that if time were infinite then all souls would be perfect by now. What? Infinite means without end, meaning time still exists and thus we still exist. We are in the process of infinity, not outside of it. It also implies that there is a finite number of souls. If time is infinite then souls are infinite. From a Christian point of view, do you not believe that God is infinite? If so, why not his creation? Would there not be an infinite number of souls to match his infinity? And why not time? And why would reincarnation be so hard to grasp from a Christian point of view? If the Christian God is as great as people say, a loving, merciful God and that God is infinite, then why would he not wish to allow those he loves infinite time to reach the perfection he desires?

It is my understanding from experience that Karma is not about right and wrong, good and evil. It is merely a reaction to an action. Put simply, if you hit someone you will most likely be hit back. If you hug someone, sharing love, you will recieve a warm loving hug in return. Now it can and usually works more indirectly, but it is basicly like the concept of you reap what you sow.

Why is it that we cannot talk about Agnosticism and Atheism without also talking about Christianity?

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer


Nobody can offer proof to any of this stuff yet, don't let any scientist tell you other-wise.  However, it's much easier to accept that there is a creator that created everything, rather than something changing into an entirely different thing over time for no apparent reason, and on top of that we're also supposed to accept that humanity ( and everything else ) occurred out of "chance".  I'm sorry, nothing forms out of nothing.  Something only forms out of something.  There needs to be an action before a reaction, other-wise nothing ever happens.

Maybe it is easier for you to accept the creator theory, but clearly not for everyone. And even if there was an intelligent entity that did create, that does not mean that the creation did not evolve. You are correct in that nothing evolves for no reason, or so logic would dictate anyway. The theory does not say things evolve for no reason. The theory is that things change to adapt to certain changes in the environment and to become more effiecent.

Who knows if something comes from nothing. You are trying to apply laws of the physical to an environment that existed before the physical. No one can really say what the laws were before the physical came to be. Maybe there was no beginning and no end.

You are welcome. []

quote: Has everyone missed a potentially very important discovery Osman may have made here?
A new use for Salvia Divinorum?
Forget about OBE enhancements, think aphrodisiac!!!

Or better yet combine the two. Think of the marketing potential!
"Salvia - for sex that really is out of this world."

James.

LOL good one []

Masturbation and/or sex are beneficial to having a healthy life. There have been studies on this. Of coarse anything in too much excess can be unhealthy, but it is highly unlikely that the average person is going to have to worry about this. Learning about how to retain and store your sexual energy can improve the benefits even more.

I do not promote the use of drugs to have OBEs/APs. I do not feel that you are fully ready for the experience until you can do it on your own. Doing it on your own gives you much more control over the experience, whether you realize it or not. But if you wish to use drugs then do as you wish. To each their own.

When in doubt check www.snopes.com

Seems it is sort of true, but out dated. Nothing to worry about.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/slavemas.htm

Origins:   Information  
goes a long way in the Internet era, and this one's got the legs to outlast even AOL. There is some truth here, but the warning is outdated.

John Edward Robinson Sr., 56, was arrested on 2 June 2000 and charged with sexual assault on two women in the Kansas City area. Robinson lured the women (as he had others) into participating in sadomasochistic sex by contacting them over the Internet under the name "slavemaster." The two women filed charges after Robinson "brutalized them in a way that went beyond what they intended."

After Robinson's arrest, law enforcement authorities discovered two 55-gallon industrial barrels, each containing a woman's body, on land Robinson owned in Kansas. A few days later, they discovered three more bodies in barrels kept in a storage space Robinson rented in Missouri. All five women appeared to have been bludgeoned to death.

Robinson was also suspected in the mid-1980s disappearances of three women and an infant whose bodies had not yet been located. One of the bodies Robinson had stored in barrels was later identified as being one of these women, and the missing infant was discovered to have been adopted by Robinson's brother.

In October 2002, John Robinson was convicted of the murder of three women, the two found in the barrels on his land, and the third disappeared mother of the child he placed with his brother. In January 2003 he was sentenced to death for these murders. He has also been charged in the deaths of the three women found in Missouri.

The "slavemaster" is monstrously real, but so far he's well short of the 56 victims claimed for him, and he remains behind bars, not out trolling the Internet for additional victims.

This internet warning has taken on a life of its own, one quite independent of the facts. The small grain of truth (someone using the screen name "Slavemaster" has been arrested for the murders of women he contacted on the Internet) had almost been lost in the sandstorm of claims that he's out there now looking for more victims and that he's killed 56 so far.

As well, pranksters have been pulling off jokes by substituting their acquaintances' screen names in place of "Slavemaster," so now versions are circulating that warn netizens to be on the lookout for someone using the handle "SweetCaliGuy4evr," "ooosparklesooo88," "Monkeyman935," or "Free_mumia911," screen names that have nothing to do with John Edward Robinson.

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quote:When Earth ascends the Etheric Sirians will take over as guardians of their planet.  Those in aquatic form will have the choice to change form and take on a human body, walking the earth as a land guardian.  Many of the Etheric Sirians in aquatic forms are making this choice now and, therefore, are beaching themselves.  They are returning to the Nommos homeworld for training on being in a human body so that they can return to earth as land guardians.

That has to be the most odd reason for whales beaching themselves that I have ever heard.


I had a dream a few months back about dolphins swimming in a pool that was inside a temple. I only saw it from inside this room so I do not know if it was a pyramid or not. I then jumped in and started swimming with them. I grew gills and started swimming like a dolphin would. It was interesting. Ok, this may not help but it was about dolphins and temple/pyramid so I thought I would share.

Well, onefromsomewhereelse, that is ... umm ... definately different. Never heard that theory before.

quote:Actually I do. Furthermore, the christian notion that we have just one chance and thats it for ever, comes across as absurd IMO, not to say an awful waste of resources.

Not really a waste. Heaven is a small place but it is cold there. So it needs a big furnace with a lot of fuel. []

Sometimes I will feel energy without trying. I have woke up many times and started drawing up energy and storing it in my sub-navel without thinking about it or trying. I have even done energy work in my sleep and dreamed about it a few times. I would say it is a good thing and probably like any other habits, you just start doing it without thinking about it.