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Thats not actually true salvia is legal. Alcohol is legal and very strong very altering. The thing is you dont need drugs to get to an altered state. They actually hinder any processes of dreaming and recall.

The problem is finding facts. If you believe that it was a terrorist attack or not. Anyone can say "this is what happened" and its still just a made up lie. In reality who cares? Does it advance you as a person in any way whatsoever to know? Can we do anything about it even if it was a hoax by our own government to create homelandsecurity Hell no we cant. The entire problem lies with there being people that think we need to classify information as classified, secret, top secret...LOL what a load of excrement. The only things that should be allowed covered up in this whole damn world is IMMEDIATE military plans period. What because we are not part of the government  we cant handle the truth, we are just young children that need our hands held. Classified information is bull excrement. There should be NO secrets from the general population and if there are the people responsible need to be in prison. Hell even this is a waste we need an entire new system a complete overhaul. The wicked, materialistic, greedy, rulers have gone on long enough. Any time you can apply all ten commandments and all seven deadly sins to your government and say yes they have broke all of them...its time for change...So this one incident this new bovine excrement is just another drop in a bucket that has overflowed long ago. I pray for all the 9-11 victims and its unfortunate that we live in such a dishonost society we cant just mourn for them and take the PROPER steps to eliminate the people who did it....We cannot find bin laden my butt. We can see a dime from space and read the date. and we cannot find him? BS.   

Ok so we changed subjects its still astral learning. Im trying to say you can learn and do anything. Anything at all. Famous martial artists bahhh that makes no differance. There are a thousand martial artists that are as good or better. Old men that can kill you with a few correct taps to your energy centers/ pressure points. Fame means nothing nodda. 

I feel you are thinking a bit to linear. The download (i hate that term) is not something i would ever want...
When i speak of higher self,emmisary,gaurdian angel,blue entities,daemons and angel studies. All of these and the akashic records (done by yourself) are accesible in the astral.
In the practice of learning to speak to these beings it is talking and feeling them not some massive Matrix download.
You can indeed learn martial arts of any kind while in the astral. I can give examples all night long of people who have done this. One example the seth books. seth is not even living (here) but his books are poreing out through the dreams of Jane Roberts. You think its bs? Than read the books they are some of the best material around on dreaming. as i said if you want more examples i can but we need to stay on topic.
I have learned about meditation, about many things esoteric from my guide.
and they all work very well.
My first ever encounter was on a night i was scrying. I heard a voice that began to explain how to overcome any fear of dreaming and obe that i may have had. Fear by the way is #1 to overcome.
Since than i have had many talks and learned much from my guide. I will not tell everything because in all honosty its the esoteric way. One must learn for themself (for certain things). am i willing to explain how? sure. will it help NO you have said yourself people always rush. They all know how i did it. They just dont take the necesary steps to do it. ALL of my chakra were open i had kundalini flowing (not awakened flowing) and i was tuned in perfectly. I have one thing that started me on this path and that is im a natural when it comes to energy work. But EVERYONE has something they are good with EVERYONE.
Use that special "thing" to progress. In the end it matters very little what your good at. It all leads to the same place.
Anyways daily meditation, and study with scrying is where it started. after you achieve something just one time (better be paying attention) you should be able to recreate any occurance. Dedication and intent is key. You cant just go to bed and try to get results. You have to make it your way of life. use your ajna chakra daily just as if it was another sense (it is). You have to practice reality checks, practice living in the here and now. See where im going? we can all do it. But are we willing to make it a dedication? Be as dedicated as if you were learning to do something you love. You will only ever get as far as what you have put into it. That my friend is the problem with most practitioners ONLY you can get you there. Its no team effort (until later).
I choose to make this a huge part of my life. It consumes much time and effort and energy. But its what i strive for.
   http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/

Just for referance my first obe is posted here also

The agenda is more than oil. It was also to create HomelandSecurity. That scares me more than any terrorist. One huge controlling entity...
The ability to destroy the constitution lies with homeland security and its already started with spying on all of us.

It is the age we live in. we are bound to see a huge wave of awakened people soon .
Yes people try to hurry and i try my very best to make people realize it does not help. any time you try and "force" esoteric or occult work it only ever slows the real process.

The root and first chakra are one and the same. Associated with the color red. The rainbow was given to humans after god destroyed the world the last time. Some think it is completely associated with the chakra. It would make sense because many obe experiances are through a chakra.

There are many chakra. But as far as the major ones it goes to 12 or 13 some that go into the earth below you and some above the crown. Just use what feels right for you because everyone has an opinion on this. I prefer to think it is 12 because that is how many times the tree of life branches off. But 13 would also make sense. As long as you learn to use the seven that are your energy centers first you will do just fine.

I dont know sharpe. There are lots of present works out that are fantastic. For some reason it just seems more fitting to use esoteric material. But on the other hand the newer you can find the easier it is to read. Its kind of like the bible the newer versions are easier to understand.

Vvid --that book is fantastic stuff. You can literally follow the gates and become a dreamer just with the aod.

Awakened...I tend to agree with you, the problem is that most people have such a huge block from obe that its debilitating to an almost unworkable degree. I prefer to start someone with lucid dreaming than move on to the obe. It is easy and by the time they realize that alot of there lucid dreaming was actual obe they are good to go.

AAnother thing i really like to do in the darkness like that is to see the moon in it. Or even to "fall into the light". If you want to learn many many gate techniques for this black zone try Robert Moss''s book called dreamgates. His books are all up there with Castaneda and the Seth books.
Of course only experiance is ever going to get you anywhere so just use books for a guide. An ally persay.

Yup. We are in just one of many of the lords mansions.

UMMM ok......Its not downloading its speaking to higher self, gaurdian, emmisary whatever you like to call it. And YES you can.

My only point here would be that without GOD there is no astral projection. At least as i see god as being the ALL. But hey we all have a path and as long as belief in spirit continues that is what matters. 

Exactly...that would cover being illuminated.

ahhh so you just mean the blackness that is utilized in the twilight state? Use this state to visualize. After a short time you will naturally see things in that state. i use a point of light. And follow it with my conciousness until im wherever my mind decides or wherever my intent was set to go. 

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Honestly this is the only thing that makes me excited about life anymore. At the very least one thing I learned is that there is something beyond this state, even if I've only touched the very tip of the iceberg. I feel I have psychologically prepped myself to reach into the unknown. I'm not scared anymore and am ready. Just trying to determine now what I should be doing

Dont let this experiance make life dull. It is hard and i think we all have that at some point. Be aware that in wakeing life you can progress with dreams and sorcery more than you would with just sleep alone. Alchemy is a huge part of wakeing that will help. Intent, reality checks, Shadow play, day dreaming, and living in the here and now. All have huge affects on "dreaming". Not to mention diet and of course studies.

It must affect, anyway talismanic magick would have no sense  But it all affects: from herbs, to crystals, from stones, to metals.

But if that's inside yourself there must be a reason for it, so don't worry and go on working with it, as if it would be a new tool, oportunity or challenge, whatever you call it.

Investigate a bit your astrologycal chart. Search the planet who rules that metal, and the one who rules that shape, and finally that who rules that part of your body. If must be reflected in there, and they can give you enough clues about its meaning and its function.

(Anyway your mind's power is far more powerful than any condition that gets in your way, so despite you have inserted in your body your mind's power can surpass it).

Crystals, stones, metals and even wands are nothing but focuses for the person useing them. Yes they have energy of there own or a good vibrational state but that just makes it easier to utilize. With the exception of the herbs, but they are a living thing.   

It is always luminous. The halo is still a conroversy. But yes it does have to do with the aura. Some think its the Kundalini after riseing. Some believe illumination is the only way to earn a halo.

To each his own. If he were to learn about dreaming he would soon see that balance and harmony exist..( barely sometimes) and if his truth were true we would have ceased to exist long ago.

God is everything he is not some immortal being of myth like zues...etc. He is literally everything in existence. The ten commandments are standards to live up to. The only time you will have problems with the ten commandments or the seven deadly sins is after you die. You can tell when your doing things wrong...Everyone can. Dont lie to yourself. Ahhh i forgot you can have problems with your sins in dreams also. Every religion (almost) believes in the one true god. He may be under a differant name in all religions but he still exists. But even satanists believe in god, If they did not it would be foolish. 

The plate itself has energy. I doubt very much that it would affect your stronger energy centers. Maybe some small points in the area itself.

Dark, light, it matters very little. Backgrounds can interfere and clothing. Everything has energy and an aura. Not the same but enough to see the wrong thing at first.

Although i have some experiance in explosives. I have very little experiance in demolition. So i could say well yes an impact like that would possibly send out other debri from secondary explosions or from massive amounts of concusion. But in the end im only applying what i do know for sure. And like i said no experiance in demolition. 

I like that Ryuji.
By the way HELL is real although i prefer underworld.

I can see that..Guess in my own case it would just have to be a very long time.
If there anything we can do to help let us know.

I have such heavy activity in my third eye that i never use Mantra for it. Unless you consider Ohm but i use that for most everything. The key for (me at least) useing the ajna chakra is to focus its "lens" on your aura (even if you dont see auras). And also to make sure you use it daily just as you would your other senses.