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#76
Hmm I am going to disagree with you on this one Astral traveler, not to be a devils advocate. I disagree with you in the fact that we often forget our projections. There comes a point for me atleast where each experience is vivid enough to recall most of the details. I think there are ways to increase your dream recall too, such as buying a recorder, etc: which helps you get in the practice of remembering dreams/or OBE's. Some of my earlier experiences at the age of 16 I remember as clear as day. At the same time they were also spontaneous like yours and not planned by any means. Unfortunately they were not genuine experiences, as they were occuring when I was taking Ambien for my sleep problems. I did not have genuine experiences until after the age of 18 and even then it was a regressed versions of the ones i experienced at the age of 16.

I also learned how to willfully trigger them--but it also depends on what kind of day I want to have. Often if I project several times in one morning I will be mentally exhausted most of the day. I can have several OBE's each week, or I will not have any for a month or two. It depends on my schedule and what all is going on in my life.

I agree its important to be conscious of the astral projection. It is also very important to have a goal or intent for your experiences (which we discussed in a previous thread).  Once you get to a level where the first thing you do when OBE is recognize your OBE, then I would say you have exercised a level of consciousness which validates the experience itself.
#77
You can have some inconsistencies. To be honest you will recognize an OBE when you have one and it wont be questioned. Some of my experiences have matched the clarity of physical consciousness.
#78
I dont have vibrations at all and thats never deterred my experiences:)
#79
Just because you dont get vibrations doesnt mean you cant project. I've had probably over 500 OBE's and ive never once had vibrations unless meditating at night and even then i barely ever noticed them. To answer the question about hypnagogic images. They are usually referred to as hypnagogic hallucinations--which occur when your dreams invade waking reality. Heres an example:

10/29/2008 – 12:09PM – Felt that I was leaving my body so I simply grabbed the side of my bed with my other "hands" and got up for the day :). I walked into the living room where everything was quite blurry. I shouted the command "clarity now" and it actually became much clearer, which is rare because commands usually dont work for me. When I did that I actually fell through the floor of my house in the experience. I quickly returned to my body where I had a hypnagogic hallucination of a spider on my ceiling (it was black). 2nd occurrence occurred shortly thereafter while laying on my back. During this experience I exited my body the same way but I went outside the window. John my next door neighbor was mowing his yard with a tractor that had no wheels (quite odd huh?). Probably just dream imagery invading the experience.

11/5/2008 – 12:01PM – Today marked a frightening experience while inducing an OBE. The first time I tried to induce an OBE I flew out the corner of the room and I flew so quickly that I was frightened and forced myself back to my body. The 2nd experience felt actually very "evil". I was looking down at my legs floating out of my body and I noticed how high they were from my physical legs. I think this has something to do with my metal cross that binds me to my body. I began to detach from my body and I flew forward and suddenly there was a fire amongst other things (black smoke). There was some audible noise of lightening (which is interesting because I usually don't experience noise in my OBE's unless I am shouting something). When I woke from the experience there were multiple hypnagogic hallucinations. There were these black feathers falling into my room itself. There were also parts of my ceiling that were similar to an effect of a black hole. It was literally black and appeared as if it was sucking in other parts of my ceiling. It was quite strange. Ill be quite frank when I say this experience was as if I was entering "hell". It was one of the worst feelings I have ever had during an OBE. 
#80
I've projected at night but not great results and VERY VERY rarely. 99% of the time I project in the morning and often have multiple OBE's while laying on my back. (meaning I project, return to body and physically awake then repeat)..
#81
I already am sleep deprived so that could be a means for my projecting so often. however i would never negate food in my daily life to project on a more regular basis...unless i was unemployed and didnt have to worry about bills and school.
#82
I also had an experience where i felt a dual consciousness that i am willing to share. Just thought i would add my experience:

10/26/2008 – 8:44am - It seems that today I started some type of astral travel today but it seemed like it wasn't in my actual body because there was no separation and I actually started off on top of a mountain. My body was on top of the mountain and my body itself is on top of the mountain but I can actually create a second projection that was moving around and hovering below the treetops of the lower parts of the mountain and exploring areas around the mountain as if I was flying in precise detail. Something else to note is that the 2nd pair of eyes I was looking through I was standing as if I was physically awake somewhere else and then I am actually just closing my eyes and being able to project consciously within the lucid dream or something more that I cannot define right now. The projection was consciously from the body on top of the mountains. I did feel like I had a separate time frame in a different place. It didn't feel like it was my own body projecting but in another vessel or body. Another important thing I nearly forgot that I saw the sun clearly in the experiences and questioned if they referenced "The Horizon".
#83
my started spontaneously happening at the age of 16 without any intentions of projecting.
#84
I dont really think this will help your body achieve an OBE but I could  be wrong *shrug*....
#85
I agree with AT. Most of my experiences happen in the morning. I have had them occur at night but only on rare occasions. There is something to having a "well" rested body that seems to encourage OBE activity.
#86
i usually experience a blue cloud or haze when i first feel separation from my physical body. I am not sure if this will help you. I dont know of many others that experience this. My separation process can always be described as the analogy of my mind waking up from a dark deep lake, and frankly thats sort of how it feels for me.
#87
Honestly I have tried using hemi sync cds but I havnt had any results. I am prone to have many OBE's a month but I have insomnia and cant get to the desired states in the hemi sync cds. Specifically i tried using The monroe institute tapes as well as the abyss
#88
This is very common amongst people that experience OBE's. I have had this happen several several times. I have also been able to see through my eyelids in a meditative opportunity. The hallucinations you may be experiencing are hypnogogic most likely--where your dream imagery invade waking reality ;D
#89
Its not a dumb question but you wouldnt appear at all. Infact even if you were in the RTZ i dont think you would appear...only an individual keen to some energies would recognize it i believe (in my opinion).
#90
Welcome to Dreams! / Opinion on a dream log
October 28, 2008, 01:29:12
I had a dream on 8/27/08 that I would be willing to share and would like some interpretation on. I have heard some other individuals who have experienced OBE's hear of "the horizon" or "horizon". I wanted some feedback if possible. I am quite adept at OBE's according to others and would enjoy some feedback on this lucid dream. Thank you!

8/27/2008

There was a dream that occurred around 9:30am that was of enough significance to write down. I consider it a lucid dream as I was having interactions with a dark toned girl and a school bus full of children. I remember in the dream only a few of the kids actually saw me. It felt as if I was living a parallel life as another school boy. I remember saying to the children that saw me that "I had been here many times before and I am trying to find a way off the bus"... I ended up getting off the bus with the dark toned girl and approaching her house. I was welcomed inside by her mother (who also saw me). The mother said I could do many things and I would soon learn how to fly and she told me to start researching "The Horizon". I couldn't read the address properly in front of the house (there was a piece of slate that had the address written on it). I tried touching it but I seemed blocked by some force. I asked the girl before I got off the bus what the address was because I wanted proof of the experience. She said the road was Mary May Ridge (or Rd.). I remember the door to their house was wooden and had some sort of symbols on it. It was a dark cherry wood color. I asked the mother what the full address was to the residency and she told me 9. Mary May Ridge. I found this lucid dream of enough importance to write it down. I will do some research on both "The Horizon" and this address to see if I can get any leads. I did not get the mothers name but I felt at peace inside the house. This experience had some vividness of being an OBE but no feeling of separation between my body. I am not sure what to make out of this experience yet. It seems I am having problems reading signs and other guideposts within any of my OBE's or lucid dreams. Maybe the address was not an address but significant of someone's name?
#91
Great question...I believe "seers" can but eh..thats just my random opinion for you. Its a very open question for debate.
#92
i'd elaborate more if i had more time..But overall i always lay on my back..sometimes i been able to project on my side with a inducing a swaying motion.
#93
i can agree..sometimes I have seen my body and other times my bed appeared empty ;X
#94
Your "ideal" of astral travel is something I wouldn't participate in. I'm not offended but I am not appeased.
#95
I'd recommend stuff from the Monroe institute but I have never had much luck with these kind of tapes...its likely because I have insomnia and can not easily control when i fall asleep.
#96
During the summer I would have multiple OBE's every week. My journal really reflects that. Now that school has started back up they have slowed down. I bought a voice recorder so that has helped transfer my recordings to writings. I got to the point where I could induce them but the further I would travel would be in the vicinity of my house and yard. Now that I have been really busy I found it a bit harder to induce them while laying on my back in the morning.

Honestly i dont think theres a "fully trained" state. Its always a learning experience...And i can only induce them during the morning after a full nights rest. I simply cant just lie down and project at will at night or through meditation.
#97
my waking state and the state out of body are often identical (with clarity being the same on some experiences). Most of my OBE's are a little less vivid but are matched in how "real" they feel. As one above poster mentioned, I can consciously feel my body separate and say "Ok Im out of body, what do i want to do today?"
#98
Hmm my opinion on this is from a christian standpoint and also from my opinion putting my religion to the side.

When my experiences first started happening at the age 16 I did not try to tie the two together. At first i was extremely scared and wondered why I could only travel as far as my memory had served me. They stopped for a few years and then slowly they have been creeping back in to my life. The first dozen or so I had at the age 16 were more vivid than any of the ones I have now, even though many of the ones I have now represent great clarity. I felt as if I had unlocked some doorway full-throttle and then I regressed to nothing. Slowly I am working my way back to that door that I had opened and I am still making current goals in all of my "experiences".

In the past 6-7 months I have been seeking my own answers in terms of tieing my OBE's to beliefs. Not only do I feel they have made me closer to God (or my belief in god), but they have also made me aware of more things in my physical state. I have done a few things to confirm that they are of God. I have prayed and asked if they are not of him for them to stop happening to me. I have also worn a cross (metal) and my experiences still occur...with interesting results. At this point in my journey I feel as if I will only continue to grow and that in the end I hope that my experiences are used in a way God sees fit to help others and not for my own desires.

I am not gifted and I dont feel that way. It just seems that these happen very naturally for me and I am at the point where I can induce them and I have a technique that works for me. This is all for now as i am sleepy.....
#99
i've had multiple exits in one morning but all start off again with me leaving my physical body, so not an exit within an exit..
#100
Sounds pretty much like a confirmed experience to me. I would say that the noise in your house could have actually helped your experience occur...Check to see if anything is binding you to your physical body.