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When I was first successful at meditation, I was focusing on one point on my ceiling and eventually all of those extra thoughts kind of melted away. That's how I managed to get in a full "trance" state.  I stayed in that particular state of meditation for a long time.  From there I started to project and also experience 'obe'  That was before I knew what any of that meant. And from there I had VERY psychic dreams.  Nothing as spectacular as the fate of the world.  Just small instances throughout the next day.  I hope sharing what I personally experienced is of some help to you. moni

I had an experience very similar to this falling thing your talking about and it scared the crap out of me. Because, I was floatin around my room all happy staring at my boyfriend and then it got black and the swish sound and I fell right into myself and my eyes popped open. I jolted straight up and caught my breath and was just WOW! I'd only violently fallen into myself a couple of times so it was a little shocking. Maybe you had an obe but just weren't aware of your surroundings and your body wanted you back. Anyway, I'd take it as a positive sign that you are getting closer to "full" obe.
-monicat

so then none of it matters. mundane bla bla bla.  on earth for no purpose of evolvement? resulting in the idea of no purpose at all?  not the opportunity to be humbled? to further the appreciation of "the great beyond"? no real individualality when it comes to the soul? just part of one great big peaceful blob? that sounds really really really boring. i hope  things are a little more interesting than that. like maybe an infinate collage of energy and awareness..where somehow the pieces fit but everything is different but still part of the same piece. growing and changing constantly but with constants.
just the here and now...i want to have things to look forward to. i want to have a  choice of what those things are. i dont wanna just be, i wanna live..on whatever level. i think thats part of my spirit not part of my khakis. maybe im crazy. if you can further yourself spiritually here...which obviously a lot of us appear to at least be attempting then i believe there is no end to your spiritual devolopment and experience leads to knowledge and knowledge leads to the next thing and the next and the next and the next. and i think that energy creates and shapes "place" after place keeping all of it totally expanding and so on. i HOPE infinately to no end so that I for one can LIVE and experience the way that I, yes I..want to.  even if i am only a little splat on the windshield of life.(okay im gonna stop right there)lol

Well, I guess I have an unpopular oppinion.  That's okay.  Because, when it comes to this particular subject I do know what I'm saying.  The only reason I brought this to the attention of the readers is because I think it's important that people understand not only the good stuff but the negative possibilities as well.  I'd like to add that k is not always reliable and you don't always know what your getting.  So, it does'nt always take a whole lot for things to go wrong.  To induce an obe through the use of k implies that you would be using more than a little.  I have had more than one experience with a lot of things.  I think it is to everyone's benefit to understand what you are putting in your body and how it affects you.  The complete history of k and how it was used in the past is of no consequence.  Safe etc. etc. it is not.  Experimentation is fine but the reality is it only takes one time. That is not me being a "square"...that's REALITY!  I just don't want to see drug use made into this purely enlightening thing where everyone is happy and things are just grand.  And, I'm certainly not running around like 'just say no'.   But, no one needs to die about it.  And, you absolutely most certainly can. That is the point, simply.  Don't go running around acting like an herbalist either.  You can hurt yourself, open a book.  ANYONE AGREE WITH ME AT ALL?

Im not going to say that the stuff you guys are talking about does'nt induce obe. But as far as ketamine goes..if you think it's totally safe, your wrong. Further more..how far are you really going to go with the additive of an herbal or otherwise drug. You are'nt training your mind, you are inducing an experience . if you can't make your own herbal cocktail to assist in some type of journey you are'nt schooled enough to be messing around with anything!! I don't mean to be critical, but this sounds rather irresponsible and like a short term.."look what i can do!!"  That is'nt a long term goal of  heightened awareness or any way to increase growth.  Experiment I guess but don't think it is like a shortcut. And for the love of God be careful. ketamine can depress your system to the point that you are non-responsive and your heart can stop and you can stop breathing. It's called a k-hole and you can't always get out.        
                                         love,
                                             Monicat

Hi. I read your post and I can't help but assume that the one poking your eye and "healing" you was a guardian. I don't know if you are familiar with your guardians? Eye poking is common in my oppinion. It seems to be a way of transfering energy or information.  This has been my experience.  Also, since you seem to be well learned on the occult and so on...I advise you never pay someone again to "heal" you.  An example why not...."im reading your aura bla bla...telling you what you already know and have told me but in different words bla bla and in some way you are cursed bla and i can help you for a certain ammount of money and without this "procedure" you are surely doomed.lol (sorry for the sarcasm..but am i wrong?) *) If you are as educated as you seem to be, you can identify and correct these matters on your own. Don't seek out mere validation, have faith. If problems persist to a point which you can't handle then consult someone with a like-mind who can help you reach a solution. Good example would be this post for instance.
   My last bit of advice for you is...If you explore the dark as well as the light but you are neutral and your eyes are constantly being open to new things it's important to remember that you just might be kinda' powerful.  And certain things will automatically gravitate to you if you are sort of a "teenager" in the spiritual realm. Specifically because they want you. Many would disagree with me I'm sure. But this is my oppinion because that is sort of where I am as well. Absolutely get to know your guardians!(if you don't already)It is so important I can't stress the point enough. And don't let your experiences develop your spiritual self, you decide what you are and where you want to go. I hope I've been of some help.

              all the best,
                      moni

I'd like to elaborate on my friend's post. I'm interested in this topic as well but I have'nt had any experiences with astral wildlife.  I myself am interested in hearing about any experiences people have had regarding this topic.  So any and all posts would be more than appreciated. Again I find this topic in particular highly interesting.
               thanks
                  moni

to:manfred

    I know this particular "thing" was there completely to mess with me.  It just bothered me because it was without my consent and normally obe is a smooth ride for me. I don't fear obe because it's always seemed quite natural.  How do you ground yourself to not become  distracted by things like this? I can't picture myself saying somthing like "back off I'm busy..." without losing it completely. It's not been somthing I've had to control, it's just happened and that's that. I totally enjoy it, but I don't want to have to try or work at it. When I do try it seems to occur even less.  I guess what I'm asking now is there a safe gaurd against this type of thing or will I have to start being more pragmatic about my psychic abilities as opposed to letting it happen naturally as it always has, due to these little visitors?
                       ANYONE?

I heard the Art Bell show last night and I was wondering about creatures and things. You commented that sometimes demensional beings or creatures will present themselves at the beginning of obe maybe standing by your bed.  Is this common? Why do they come then? Are they meant to deterr you? What are they? Mine in particular was a grey skeletal googley guy short with little horns standing right by my bed right before the point of sleep(for me the beginning of obe is at that point) It was quite scary and i wanna know what he was up to or where he came from...was NOT DREAMING!
ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!! thanks