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yeah there were plenty of dream signs that i missed this time around before i eventualy found lucidity
the greys thing was more of a surprise than anything i was not at all aware when then appeared if i had a higher level of awareness i might have been able to confront them head on
maby see how they like a finger up their bum lol

went to bed with intent to astral project did a few relaxation techniques and then tried phasing but must have drifted off
was woken by my youngest she was very unsettled so i feed her a bottle and brought her into bed with me im always very conscious of her being there and i wake alot i seem to sleep lighter when she is next to me
eventually we must have both drifted off a little deeper and i was dreaming that i was outside a building where i saw two shifty figures lurking outside a doorway i walked closer to investigate and it was two very malevolent looking stereotype grey aliens with very skinny bodys this took me by surprise and a instant wave of fear shot through me (ive not had dreams about aliens like this for many years i used to get freaked out watching films like fire in the sky and communion when i was a teen, and i also had a section of my life where i was using far to many amphetamines and experienced a grey alien psychosis for quite a while witch until i stopped using and got my head together seemed very real at the time, but these days its not something that bothers me so it was strange to see a return)

this freak out must have caused me to want to wake up and i did or so i thought, i woke up in a bed and this time my daughter was much older than she is now
i woke up about 10 times in different scenarios some normal some with a slight nightmarish vibe ,and then at one point in one of them i remember leaping into the air as if i was going to fly and being so surprised when i actually did that i instantly became lucid the dream was so real and mundane that realizing it was a dream also took me by surprise i struggled to hang on to clarity and was losing control rapidly (i think at this point the shock had woke me properly and i gradually came around in my actual bed)

i dont get false awakenings that much but when i do they are always multiple awakenings why do you think this is ive heard lots of people get the same thing is it some kind of feedback loop ??

went to bed with intent to astral project did a few relaxation techniques and then tried phasing but must have drifted off
was woken by my youngest she was very unsettled so i feed her a bottle and brought her into bed with me im always very conscious of her being there and i wake alot i seem to sleep lighter when she is next to me
eventually we must have both drifted off a little deeper and i was dreaming that i was outside a building where i saw two shifty figures lurking outside a doorway i walked closer to investigate and it was two very malevolent looking stereotype grey aliens with very skinny bodys this took me by surprise and a instant wave of fear shot through me (ive not had dreams about aliens like this for many years i used to get freaked out watching films like fire in the sky and communion when i was a teen, and i also had a section of my life where i was using far to many amphetamines and experienced a grey alien psychosis for quite a while witch until i stopped using and got my head together seemed very real at the time, but these days its not something that bothers me so it was strange to see a return)

this freak out must have caused me to want to wake up and i did or so i though i woke up in a bed and this time my daughter was much older than she is now
i woke up about 10 times in different scenarios some normal some with a slight nightmarish vibe ,and then at one point in one of them i remember leaping into the air as if i was going to fly and being so surprised when i actually did that i instantly became lucid the dream was so real and mundane that realizing it was a dream also took me by surprise i struggled to hang on to clarity and was losing control rapidly (i think at this point the shock had woke me properly and i gradually came around in my actual bed

i dont get false awakenings that much but when i do they are always multiple awakenings why do you think this is ive heard lots of people get the same thing is it some kind of feedback loop ??

do thirteen year olds usualy use the phrase nice booty ?

My own personal opinion is that religion (not just Christianity) is a control system
I don't believe in demons there is no battle between good and evil over you soul
Astral travel is just a exploration of your own consciousness
There is nothing evil about delving deeper into learning about your higher self
At the end of the day there is only you here now in this moment perceiving the phenomenon of existence let it unfold in front of you and you don't have to fear anything about just being because that is your true nature

grats glad the hard work payed off
feel free to describe the whole experience i love reading other peoples projections

read this thread a while ago and forgot about it thanks for bumping
im going to give phasing a go a bit more
my usual way to enter the NP has been from awareness in a dream or sleep paralysis ive never succeeded in actually crossing over from a meditave state or as im falling asleep
my main issue is im always so tiered with young kids wearing me out and keeping me up
so with early starts for work aswell at the end of the day i just tend to pass out into unconscious bliss lol

had the same problem for a while every time i would become lucid in a dream i would go find the nearest female to have my way with
in the early days i would always go flying but then this rather lengthy patch of lust kicked in
one of the last moments i had i could actually witness myself about to do it again and kind of took a step back in the scenario and made a conscious decision to go and do something more constructive

i think its just another little hurdle we have to overcome (and im by no means there yet) but having a goal in your head and actual intent on what your going to achive will help rather than just bimbling around in default pleasure mode
i dont think theres anything wrong with it but agree its basically mental masturbation and time that could be spent digging much deeper 

possession is 9/10ths of the law 

means she needs to go a little less heavy on the gorganzola before bed 

i defiantly agree on the survival idea
that fight or flight feeling can lead you to do some very out of character things
i remember a news reporter talking about the fall of saigon he was there and they heard that the tanks were on the way and it was basically time to get the hell out of there and in his words he did claw and he did bite to get out

nothing is ever black and white
good people do bad things
bad things happen to good people

i use the same technique as you write notes on my phone usualy as its closest or put notes into a notepad and right them up later using the key poins to recall as much as possible (ive now started keeping them in an online blog for extra digital copy)
dont sweat the recall it shouldn't feel like a job
just keep at it i always got good and bad spells of recall the fact that you are doing all that you are will lengthen your dream memory in the long run just keep at it and you will get good results just dont feel let down that sometimes you forget it happens
you probally need the sleep

i have two kids that are great at waking me up at all sorts of ungodly hours that have been amazing for the WILD technique but some times im just so tiered i need every bit i can get and even if i had a really long dream i just dont even bother to record it as there will be plenty more and the really outstanding experiences will stay with you anyway

im getting to the point now that im not even that interested in observing the non conscious dreams as funny as they would be to put on paper i am documenting all the non physical aware/astral projection moments and hoping i can get to a point where i can also just passivley observe them without the need to document them but its still all new at the moment so thats my main focus

intent focus and repetition are the main tools really in my opinion but dont make it feel like work

This is an open forum. State your beliefs. I don't know that I am any more right than any one else.

perhaps i should of added the word "personally" i have no objections to what anyone else wants to belive 
let me elaborate, i dont believe in the concept of heaven or hell i think that this is something that people of faith will naturally encounter due to thier own personal conditioning
the idea that there is a place that certain people go if they are deemed good or bad leave far too many grey areas it would be a logistical nightmare to sort out which pigeonhole people need to go in

i think that people experiencing demons and hell etc are just witnessing their own fears stress and guilt manifesting   
the one thing that i can say for sure is that i am here now in this moment experiencing consciousness and as nice a idea as it is to think there is some all powerful entity watching over us i think its doubtful
i hope that my consciousness transcends to another place when i die but if it dosnt well i got on pretty well all the time before i was born so it shouldnt be a problem  

in the meantime i am trying to live my life as a good human enjoying this gift of the phenoenom that we call life whatever it may be and will continue to experiment and practice these little trips to the non physical

you can be a spiritual person without tacking on one of the many thousands of gods that have been and gone
my original post was not posted to offend

welcome to the pulse happy travels

neither are a concept that i believe in

i come here for expert advice and constructive comments

my main goals are to go on a internal exploration and to hone my consciousness in general
learn lessons and in general id say you spend a good portion of your life in unconscious sleep or even not paying attention in waking life
so to spend as much time in a lucid level of awareness is my ultimate goal both awake and asleep

listened to your portion and you came across really clear and explained it perfectly
the next guy was a bit to final with his point, of course you can do something about it its not easy but you have to have intent
scary excrement but like you say facing it head on and trying to turn it around or observe things objectively

firstly thanks again escape velocity for your structured feedback to my experiences it really is appreciated as for your question about knowing the people in the garage i didnt know them they were just random dream chars i think

but anyway its update time again as in the early hours of this morning i had a pretty much textbook exit and projection

its early morning im guessing around 5.30 – 600 ish i wake up to strong vibrations in my body i dont move and go with it there is absolutely no fear the vibration get stronger with a pulsing sound in ears i get a rising floating sensation feels as if i have raised about a foot or more off of the bed but this time i now feel myself exiting out of my body sideways my head is Anchored still but the rest of my astral body is moving clockwise the best way to describe the feeling would be if my real body was the non moving hand of a clock pointing to 12 and my astral body was ticking around to about 4 o clock with my head being the center of the clock and my feet being the top of the second hand

during this lifting out sensation i was suddenly aware of my eyesight going from black to fading into actually being able to see and when i did i was on a staircase i recognized everything perfectly and it was super vivid and everything appeared in the places that it should , i walked down the stairs through the kitchen and into the lounge all the time thinking how amazing this was and that i was in the real time zone (it wasn't until i actually awakened that it dawned on me that i was in my dads house not my own , and even later still i remember that the front door was the old wooden one that was there when i still lived at home so it was actually more like a trip to the past) anyway in the front room i decided to pass through the window i dived and floated through the glass effortlessly belly down out in the cul de sac im just in awe of how realistic everything is and im finally projecting how ive always imagined it to be

there were some odd animals that appeared and i wasn't that happy about them so i tryed to fly but i just jump i start finding it hard to move it feels very sticky and i think to myself that i must be starting to lose clarity so i decide to fast travel back into the bedroom with a conscious effort to not let the experience last to long as i dont want to forget anything , i did manage to fast travel straight back but must of drifted back into a non conscious dream about being in another country trying to get on a bus to taxi us to the airport

i awoke properly now and almost didn't remember having the projection at all but something triggered the memory and i got up and went to get my phone as i had nothing handy to write it down on and didn't want to risk drifting off again

this really feels like a monumental achievement for me ive been interested in astral travel from right back at the age of about 7 or 8 reading Arthur c clarke mystery books and ive been practicing with varying degrees of failure and success from about the age of 18 until now im 40 in july and im hoping that this is just the beginning of finally honing this skill

been making good progress sinse this last experience many lucid moments and think i finally cracked it last night

here are a few extracts from my journal

i go for a walk around town im in a shop that used to be diamonds its a sweet shop and im adding up the price of sweets i come out of the shop and outside sarahs dairy is jamie cornhill with a really retro stone roses poster ready comes over and the street is really busy and vivid now tim fryer comes past in a convertible car and high fives me this triggered lucidity but rather than entering a lucid dream i transitioned to a lifting out sensation i could now see all the micro chips again that i saw in my last astral travel i kept calm trying to move away from my body but suddenly aware that ive awoken


this set of dreams featured many moments of lucidity and slipping back into dream state some moments included total control and perception on waking the downloading process was difficult and i found it hard to remember all that happened as it lasted so long the only things that i managed to write down were that the same building triggered lucidity twice in the same set of dreams , while lucid/astral i flew around and flew straight through a car windscreen and slowed down hovered above all the people inside the car
had astral sex with some other light beings
another moment of becoming lucid after slipping back i remember standing with my arms out in a crucifix position and taking off straight upwards
all through out the theme was looking for a room number cant remember the number though


woke at 4.00 am to feed lumin put her back down after about 20 minutes and tryed to get back to sleep after another 10 – 15 mins i had exit signs very strong ringing in my ears usual buzzing i could see hypnogogic imagery and i was trying to leave my body by tumbling out or lifting but niether were working i just retuned to the same state of awareness as before this time the images were getting stronger and i decided to try to step into the dream
the dream from now on was on a bed in a apartment that isnt my bedroom the levels of lucidness came and went and also got a bit nightmarish for a short while with baby lumin wrapping around my face stopping me from breathing i eventually took control got out of bed walked around the flat and then up to the window i attempted to push through the glass and even though it felt really sticky (like stretching through clingfilm) i succeeded
i was in a very high awareness now i was thinking differently than i usualy do with my new found understanding of labeling i now knew i was astral projecting and proceeded to try instant traveling to a destination rather than flying there i concentrated on my dads house i started moving there but it wasnt instant it was like i was just moving so i tryed harder and suddenly i was there
then i tryed instant traveling to annas parents house another familiar place this time it was instant but the house was not the same as in waking life , i peered through a small round window and fred was the other side smiling back at me he came out to talk and at the same time penny came out from a corrugated tin out building that was an outside toilet i think from there house i went out exploring flying around and i remember thinking to my self this has gone on for ages i should try to wake up as im not going to remember all of this and this is to much of a breakthrough to lose
i dropped back into a semi lucid dream based near a garage in chard i was with a guys wife in the garage waiting room he came in and was angry with me for some reason but i think i raised my awareness again slightly and was just really polite to him taking control of the dream and it diffused the situation i awoke at 5.30 a good hour long experience from start to finish but as i feared a large percentage of what happened was lost even though i tried to instantly write what i could in my journal ,my body still felt in a odd state i thought i could slip back in quite easily i also had a couple of pangs of fear about sleep paralysis eventualy i dropped off and had one more normal dream before morning

i love your blunt break downs xanth
you have very much confirmed what i always really believed that its an internal exploration rather than an actual exit of your soul or what ever you want to call it
ive wasted many years so far (well not actually wasted its always been fun) but striving for a more "real" experience when all along ive been looking at it all wrong
alot of posts here over the last couple of weeks have helped me define this

in waking life i try to be as present in the moment as much as possible and view as objectively as possible trying to hush that naughty ego as much as i can and thats the way im going to look at the non physical reality as well from now on what ever happens, happens and just enjoy the moment and learn from the experience without adding tons of labels and expectations to it

the wind sound is an aural hallucination associated with sleep paralysis 
many posts on these forums experience wind sounds

i get loud cracks alot

a typical example of adding fuel to the fire

https://sandora.homeserver.com/portal/2015/07/27/how-to-defend-yourself-against-astral-energies/

make the most of school now
if you cant hack the bordom of school you will never make it through the mundaneness of getting up and going to work in a souless job you dont really like for the rest of your days
think of what you love and try to work towards a job around it,if you love doing something its not really work
people dont lie when they say school is the best days of your life
enjoy it now life hasnt even begun bonking with you just yet lol

i haven't had a nightmare for many years
the closest thing i do have is reoccurring zombie dreams but im never afraid im always just dealing with them jumping up onto walls pushing them out of the way taking them out
i watch far to much walking dead and that genre film to find it scary if anything there quite entertaining dreams especially when they are becoming more lucid

i think alot of fear come from what background you have people with religious backgrounds tend to attach more demons and that sort of thing to their oobes i personally am an atheist i believe that the only real thing that i can say is i am here now experiencing consiousness and everyone else around me i really cant vouch that they arnt a part of that also
i still get the fear kick in when trying to project but thats more the fear of the unknown and just a internal battle i truly believe that there is nothing in your mind thats going to harm you 

the void sounds like complete ego death
just being without identifying with anything and no external stimuli