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Nice post, Tisha, I am entirely behind you.  ::glances at clock which reads 3:55:: no joke.  I keep telling myself the chances of getting a double digit number are the same as getting any other number....(scientifically true)   But I can't help but laugh out loud out of mystery when I walk into my room for a long time away several times throughout the day and see this double digit phenomena.  I also tell myself that these numbers have special meaning to me when I see them ONLY because they have personal significance in the first place.  But it really starts to freak me out when I wake up in the middle of the night and the clock reads 4:44 or 5:11, repeatidly, or when I come home from school and see 2:22, or coming home from a friend's house and see 9:11 as my first sight.  These numbers are definately majority in group, as I see them, also no joke.  One of the things that's really ben getting to me right now is that ever since I've been reading up on this post, they have been occuring more frequently... weird!  One thing for sure though.... everything IS in your head! .. and remember that blessing.  W00t the clock now reads 4:20! you know what that means... heh   ::reaches for bong::

Adam

Blossom- "Going by my name," huh? Tell me, what do you think my name means.  The only explaination you could possibly give is that which you THINK it means in your own unique interpretation.  My name is my business and it's what I chose for everyone to refer to me as.  The sole intention of me writing posts, let alone even coming to this website, is NOT to create a little "static," or whatever, it is for my own personal growing knowledge of OBEs and the input of others that have experience doing it.
    So you think I take no time to try to AP ("what a shame")..?  Well that's another big mistake, I'll have you know that I am dedicating a good amount of time everyday, as a teen these days, in being able to willfully "exit."  I have not yet been successful.  I try every night, along with extensive energy raising practice and meditation.  I am as serious as serious can get about exploring the truths behind OBE.  I don't think you have read my first two posts, otherwise common sense would tell you not to say such nonsense remarks.  Try and "blossom" some non-judgmental thoughts into yourself for a change.

Whether or not my posts were confrontational or non-formal, that's what I wrote and that's how I feel; I am writing casually, I'm NOT writing an essay.  By all means, I am in no way at all challenging Robert Bruce, but AM questioning his statements hoping for more understanding! liefmichael and Lysear, thank you for backing me up

Goldenroses, I feel you when you talk about not wanting to be thought of as crazy and such.  I know exactly how you feel.  OBEs happen whether some people know, don't know, or even accept it.  I seldom bring up this topic around people out of fear.  I am also desperatley searching for someone (in the flesh, not an i-net forum) who has experience at being able to willfully project.  I would love to have a one on one conversation with them and some hands on advise they can teach.  An Astral Projection class would be a dream come true (actually a successful exit would be a dream come true ;P).

So what does anyone think about listening to trance and hemi-sync music/frequency sounds to help induce OBE?  I do think it helps to put one in a trance, giving time and a clear mind.

I would love to see more posts about your (everyone's) thoughts and theories; wildbank and person, you attracted my most attention, Your posts were great.

So lets see some more thoughtful posts and less of those irrevelent, petty comments of complaints!

Adam

Hey again, whoa those were great posts wildbank and person, you definately cleared a lot of things up, and prestented a whole lotta goody information, I'll definately check out that book. nice site btw..

Adam

Hepheastus, I experience the exact same thing and have always wondered why it happens, in fact while I was reading your post I glanced at the clock, which read 4:33.  If you were to ask some phychologist or scientist I'm sure they will say something like "those numbers are completely arbitrary and the whole idea's reality is all in your head."

Double digit numbers are very important to me, for one thing, I'm really into astrology and numerology and stuff and my "life path" number is 11.  You find your life path number by adding your birth year to your month, then to your day (mine: May 18th, 1986; 1+9+8+6=24, 5+18=23, and 23+24=47, 4+7=11! or 2+3+2+4=11, it all works out the same way).  I was extremely surprised as to how much accuracy reading my life path number report revealed.  But anywayz i was rambling away from the topic....

So as you can see 11 is a special number to me. I also do a good deal studying the cultural beliefs of the ancient egyptians. They're counting system was in units of 11, 22, 33, 44, 55, ect.  I've realized that there must be some kind of scientific significance to these double digit numbers.  So it then became a personal significance.  What i think is... that since my sub-consciousness is so involed in this sort of area, that I kind of shape the reality around me, suiting my sub-consciousness.  You know how spiritual teachers always say stuff like "your reality is but a reflection of your subconsciousness, or super-ego."  Then again I could just be crazy and it IS all arbiturary, and it's just when I notice these random events that they have any meaning to me.  Oh well there ya go have fun
(PS.. 11 is the dominant number that i notice, especially at 11:11 or something, but statistically, the odds of getting one of those numbers are the same as getting any other number, despite how supernatural it may seem.......)

ADAM

O.K. I have now, new comments to make, and very eager to get them clear.    I am willing to accept the self-awareness astral body concept (supporting the point of awareness), it all makes sense.

Adrian, I am inclined to disagree with you when you say, "Astral separation (which is not the same as OBE or phasing), eveything in the Astral is very solid and real and consistent."

On contrare, I say Astral seperation, or projection, and OBEs are the EXACT same thing.  When you "seperate" from you physical body during AP, it would be safe to say you are OUT OF YOUR BODY.  Thus, OBEs and AP are the same thing, just different terms.  Another idea supporting this is- when you are having an OBE... where do you think you are..?  In the Astral, of course!  Also, when you say, "eveything in the Astral is very solid and real and consistent."  I must also disagree.  Judging not from my experience but from my knowledge, EVERYTHING in the astral is SUBJECTIVE, except for the real-time universe Astral, where you can witness things on Earth AS it happens, you can even confirm what you just saw, thus making it OBJECTIVE.  But the mind starts to wander, as Bruce describes, and creates a reality from your SUBJECTIVE thoughts.     I say the planes of existance above the physical and "real-time" planes are entirely subjective.  Bruce even states this.

Tomasz, when people jot down their experiences and some say they feel extreme pain (only way i can describe) do you deny that?  I really don't see how fear can cause someone pain, but CAN see how fear can interrupt the mind and yank it back into body.  Now I REALLY dissagree with you when you say, "but the evidence is that any signal from the body via the Silver Cord causes immediate return and awakening."  Tomasz, first off, what EVIDENCE? How do you think the mind/consciousness operates external of its own physical body?  Your astral self is CONSTANTLY receiving and sending signals back and forth via the silver cord.  How could it not be so?  When you are projecting, and want to raise some energy to make the experience more vivid, or to ease the experience, where do you think the energy comes from?  Your physical/etheric body creates the pure energies and sends it through the silver cord to wherever you are in the astral.

Goldenroses, I consider myself very knowledgable in the topic of OBEs.  I've read entire books solely compiled of the personal experiences that people have, which they wrote themselves; and have read books about theories and deeper philsophical issues shrouding the origins of OBEs.    I believe one can gain an extrodinary amount of spiritual growth and enlightenment from the exploration and time spent while out of body, considering all that is involved in sucessfully exiting the body.  The few people that can willfully AP on this planed are gifted and I admire them.  I'm 16 years old and have yet to have an out of body experience and the day it happens, I'll probably excrement in my pants out of amazement.  I try just about every night before I go to sleep, and sometimes I meditate while listening to trance and hemi-sync music, still trying to leave my body.

Well, I guess what I'm really trying to say is... how could other astral traveleres and beings SEE you if there is no actual body?  Unless they see your self-awarness body.  Which I think is the most likely factor.  They see what you imagine yourself to be.  But then how would you explain pain?  I still say it is possibly (and probably) the physical/etheric body sending these sesations via the silver cord.  Maybe because of lack of energy development, and the body is not quite ready and trained for such massive energy being held in the body...? It's what i think.

Well, anywayzzzzzz my fingers hurt and so does my head for thinkingngkjsdgh arrggg!!!!  Replies are APPRECIATED!  also.. any tips for me and projeting?

also. one more question... approximately how long does it take for the average person (i mean you) to sucessfully pull out of body after the simple relaxation step? i would expect more than 20 mins? ranging by experience and skill, of course