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Greetings Risu,

Any questions are good to ask. What is more important is the approach to the questioning. Deep and meaningful questions are great but there is no need to overlook everyday questions you may have on your mind. Start out with whatever it is that's on your mind. Don't worry about the questions not being 'good enough'....they are your questions and should be what you want them to be. A common misconception seems to be that you have to ask questions of great importance or that you can only ask questions that are strictly of a spiritual nature. This is not the case and in overlooking everyday topics you are missing out on an opportunity to learn from the answers you will receive.

When you use the pendulum and begin to receive answers you will find that some of these answers will spawn questions that you had not previously thought about. This is how a session with the pendulum can go on for such a long time. One question leads to another and you find it is quite natural to still be sitting down with your pendulum hours after you had begun. Personally I never have more than a couple of questions in mind when I pick up my pendulum. I check the clock after a time and am often surprised at how much time had lapsed. It is the same as getting caught up in a really interesting conversation with a knowledgeable friend.

Also, reading the Q&A sessions that others have posted often gives you ideas about what you may wish to ask the pendulum. I have found that by reading others' sessions questions have come to my mind that I wish to investigate, the most recent post of such being from Squeek. This is why it is so beneficial for members to post the results of their sessions with the pendulum on these threads, for others to share in, and get ideas from.

With best regards,

Dave

[Squeek,]

Greetings Everyone,

There are some interesting comments and questions in these last few posts. It is always nice to see a bit of diversity.

Squeek,

Some excellent questions you asked there. As you can see, it makes it easy to remember your sessions if you log your questions and answers. Even just the act of writing them down in and of itself will make them easier to remember.

You raise some interesting topics which would definitely benefit from further questioning. What you are seeing with the answers you have received is a 'snapshot' of the whole story. Investigate further and you will get more and more information and be able to construct a fuller 'picture' of the reality. A couple of your questions in particular got my attention and I will be doing a little investigating of my own. This is why it is of great help to read other people's questions and answers. It sparks off fresh ideas and new lines of inquiry. Thank you for posting them.

Novice,

You don't need to ask any favours of me. This is what I have been selected to do and what I have agreed to do. All you have to do is ask, as you have done before.

I asked Karek if you are doing something wrong and she replied "no". As you know this question is far too general to discover anything really usefull from the answer. If you tell me a little more about how you are getting on and where you feel you are having difficulties I will be able to ask Karek how best to address these problems. An example from one or more of your sessions with the pendulum would be great.

Spellcast91,

Again, I'm afraid that you will need to be a little more specific here. There have been several references in this thread alone of the phrase/'term' "6 years". I could also tell you that in six years it's going to be 2009 but I don't think that's what you are looking for. You can send me an e-mail via my profile if you would rather do that than be any more specific here. Or are we playing a guessing game here?

Edi,

quote: I had an other idea today we could try. I'll assemble a list of independent questions, if I select them with care most people here shouldn't know the answers to them. I'll post the questions, everyone who wants to contribute sends me his responses and afterwards we can compare - if the answers are the same, fine. If not... no idea. Let's see  It'll take some time and thinking so give me 1-2 days for it.

Love and Light,
Edi

I am looking forward to seeing what questions you come up with. This could be quite interesting. A couple of suggestions if I may.....

The questions should not be of a personal nature as most everyone will not be entitled to receive personal information on another person. Privacy is respected and if you don't need to know, you won't find out. Also the information should not be readily accessible on the internet or by 'normal' means. The reasoning for this is obvious I think.

After that, I leave it in your capable hands. I'm not trying to suggest what questions you should create, just pointing out a few 'potholes' to avoid.


With best regards,

Dave

Dear Chill,

I will not be making any effort towards answering your questions here as you have shown me on the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN- You'll see!> thread that you have no interest whatsoever in any reply I may make. In your latest post on that thread you make no reference to my reply, choosing instead to slate Daniel, MAYATNIK and the "Pleiadian's Dogma". I had in fact, explained how the Pleiadian teachings are completely in contrast with 'dogma' in the post you chose to ignore.

Please note that I am not offended in any way, nor do I think that anyone should read my posts just because I put them up. I will not however waste anymore of my time.

I wish also to point out that I feel it is inappropriate to pass personal remarks on people here at a spiritual forum. Not only do I feel that this is the case but it has also been pointed out on several occasions.

Regards,

Dave

Dear Chill,

My thanks to you are from myself personally. I know there is a lot of information already posted in these threads so I honestly appreciate your having taken the time to read them. In response to your latest post: You said....

quote:Actually I don't think I have missed the point entirely. My questions did go beyond the trivial.

I went beyond asking about my life as a human being.

I actually *learnt* many things on what is otherwise invisible to me, things that I cannot verify but rather must receive with a positive open-minded atttitude, as is.

These 'things' are verifiable, but not in a scientific way.  The most obvious in this category are things that society accepts as 'truth' but which the Pendulum says otherwise – in this way it is paradigm breaking, giving the user information to rethink their conditioning.  This is akin to to a Newspaper exposé of a scandal such as in government circles where the reader has to literally form a new 'base' of knowledge from such revelations in order to survey the changed 'landscape' of the hitherto supposed reality.  In our known world we may not have access to the 'facts' (since governments cover up their real activities and we see only the 'public face' to evaluate).  But, evaluate we need to do, and if government ministers were to be more open then we could enquire much deeper to obtain a better picture.  However, even if this was the case, there are areas of 'technicality', and background that needs to be absorbed in order to evaluate well (such as the exact situation in two countries that are "in conflict" according to government officials)... and all this needs to be examined in order to obtain a better perspective for evaluation.

The position with investigating via the Pendulum is actually easier, because the Pedulum will answer questions (unlike government officials!), but it will want you to have a good perspective since just giving 'answers' will not lead to a true understanding unless the background and other factors have been asked about and some information obtained as a result.

If the Pendulum is approached in a positive frame of mind, then it can be viewed, by analogy, to a friend who 'knows things' in higher circles that are not normally available to the public, and who trusts you to tell you these things.  Of course this 'informant' is wiser than any human being if you accept that the Pendulum knows all things so has a global (even galactic) perspective on the 'real' situation.  Also, it has to be said, that the Pendulum will want you to ask more about the subject and to not just accept the 'face value' answers, since a grasp of other factors is essential for a good overall perspective – therefore, the Pendulum will not immediately give you all the facts, but will be watching to see how you are taking these things.  In this way, the Pendulum has your best interests at heart, and its 'priority' is always for the person's inner-development.  So, it is a balancing-act in the Question-Answer session, at the end of which (provided the session is long enough) there will have been some considerable depth covered, leading towards a much better understanding.  Thus, it is not a simple matter of 'verifying' because there is often no look-up in some Newspaper archives (although sometimes it can lead the person to finding information by archive checking – this is something that MAYATNIK did in order to trace many members of his natural family who admitted that if it hadn't been for his 'ability' to do this then he would never have found them, since they'd covered all tracks and documents could not be accessed in the normal way as names etc had been changed to make this impossible).  At the end of the day, however, the Pendulum can produce the answers that enable the person to verify to their own satisfaction that things are not the way previously perceived.

If the Pendulum is regarded as an access-device to a 'file' system, then there arises the question as to what exactly can be investigated, since the Pendulum will not allow intrusion of anyone else's privacy.  This is where 'status' comes in.  As the Pendulum user gains rapport with their questions the 'relationship' grows and the person gradually gets told little things to 'test' them, to see how they will react to this responsibility of knowing something revelatory but not private.  If the person reacts well with increased responsible attitude then they are given higher 'status' on a "need to know" basis.   This is how MAYATNIK works in his healing and counselling, since he is given private information very often about the person but will not reveal it (not even to the person, as they may well have something they need to 'work through' in their life-experience and MAYATNIK will know this) so he will only offer guidance in the right direction – and it is then up to the person, of their own Free Will to follow up if they so wish, and they will not be even overly encouraged to do this since that would be coercion (even if with the best of intent).

It will be seen then, that what may appear to be 'wrong answers' may just be in-credible.  They may appear non-credible if the person has a high level of conditioning, so the first step of the Pendulum in this is to break paradigms, and then to advance the frontiers of perception.  The best and most open approach will always be to assume that nothing in this world or out of it is the way it seems, and then new 'foundations' can begin to be laid for higher perception.  For this reason, the Pendulum user will from time to time have their sense of 'reality' challenged by what the Pendulum reveals in its answers.  The best way forward if unsure is to ask the Pendulum, "Am I thinking about this in the right way?" or similar question.  Then follow up on this.  If the Pendulum seems reluctant to give answers to questions from a certain point, then the user should respectfully say, "May I ask further on this particular line of questioning at this time?"  If the answer is NO, then you should alter your line of questioning.  Maybe the questions were getting into a 'sensitive' and/or private area, so broadening out the questioning line may produce answers that will give clues to this as well as further information and inner-learning and development also.

As to what is 'private' the rule (unless one has the status to responsibly know and not interfere) is that each person has the right to Free Will, and that means to do as they will even if that is considered by another to be immoral or even illegal.  The person may well have to come to terms with whatever they do, but it is their 'private' concern, and nothing to do with anybody who seeks the information via the Pedulum.   On the other hand, anyone who makes public any information (such as in a newspaper, or on the internet or in a book) are inviting comment and speculation, and therefore questioning is permitted regarding those issues made public as well as contributory factors provided they do not infringe 'privacy' (for example, a person may make something public but not reveal their 'source'.  In that case their source is private, but it can be asked whether the source is telling the truth).  With 'status' these rules do not apply, since the information will not be passed on to anyone else, and is only given in order to gently guide without giving the answer.

On the point you make about 'addiction' to the Pendulum:

quote: Problem 2. Becoming addicted to it. For day to day guidance on every aspect of living as a human being.

Of course if you become a 24hr a day (or 60 hr a day, in the case of Edward AKA Mayatnik) channeler, then you no longer need the pendulum.

The Pendulum can become addictive – and, in fact, this is the normal process of developing a relationship with a good friend... one simply spends more and more time with that friend, and discusses many things to the extent that the first thought is to pick up the phone and invite the friend over for a good in-depth conversation – or in this case pick up the Pendulum and have a good long session.

In that sense, the 'addiction' is very productive.  But, a wise friend will not tell you what to do – only discuss it, and the Pendulum is the same.  So, the situation may arise that a person may become over-addicted to that 'wise friend' in which case the Pendulum will do a careful balancing-act and try to wean you off it slightly (you may notice an increase in wrong answers initially, and these are designed to get you to do some lateral thinking about your issues, because the Pendulum does not want you to rely on its answers as such but to learn from them by thinking deeply).  On the other hand, if you are not having good in-depth conversations with the Pendulum it will try to encourage you with interesting answers that will provoke thought for further questioning, and so get into deep conversation with it.  So, you see from this, that the Pendulum can do an awful lot just with YES/NO responses (as well as you finding questions that suddenly  'pop' into your head from seemingly nowhere) – so the 'source' is not  only very wise but the perfect teacher that helps you to work through things.

Remember also, from the moment that you pick up the Pendulum and it 'logs on' to you, it knows everything about you – and knows you better than you know yourself.  So, it knows when you really need to ask 'everyday' questions because there will be times when you need to explore those situations to get over some conditioning or pre-conception, or even need support for an 'emotional' level.  It is always best to go with how you feel, so if you feel the need to talk then the Pendulum is ever-patient and will respond as a wise friend and teacher.

As for Channeling in the proper sense of the word (implying great accuracy in the transmission of information) not everyone will become a channeler from using the Pendulum – no more than anyone with a knowledge of electricity or plumbing will take up those professions, but may instead become not only a great Do-It-Yourself expert but will along the way be able to assist others in many ways, and the guides know best which gifts to give to that particular person and how they can best be used.  One thing is certain, that nothing more is ever asked of the person than the person can easily accomplish.  So, as in the case of MAYATNIK, even if the person is disabled and lacking in formal education then nothing will be a problem and the person is helped by the guide to be able to do all that is needed, and even the energy is given to do this. So, while the Pendulum does indeed lead to natural telepathy with a guide when the person is 'attuned' this may manifest in several ways.  For instance, the person may not hear a 'voice' at first but may sense the urge to write without consciously thinking; this is what I have found of late to be the case for me, and I am now at a stage where I just put my fingers onto the keyboard and it seems to flow without any conscious thought or intervention in any way.  Only when I have finished writing do I then read what I've put.  At that that point I check each part with the Pendulum to ensure that it is correct in every way, and that is how my ongoing training is proceeding with Karek, along with lessons from MAYATNIK on what is happening and how best to get the maximum benefit from this stage I am at in this developing 'awareness' of what is being gently  channeled to me to write and to think about.

To give you yet another idea of how telepathy is developed, I have been practicing on the instructions of MAYATNIK at receiving 'pictures' accurately.  The procedure is simple.  A 'monitor' guide is always present, so all you have to do is confidently say (seemingly to thin air, but not the case) "Can you send me some numbers please, one at a time... so that I can check with you whether I've received correctly?".  Then (closing your eyes, in the initial stages until your reception is clear under any conditions) just breathe naturally and 'look' at what will appear in your mind.  It may be like those numbers that one can buy for the front door, a wooden or metal one – and it may be a particular colour, say blue or red.  Maybe it has an 'outline' in a different colour, say yellow or white.  So, all you have to do is ask, "Is it a number 4?", "Is the body of it green?", "Has it got a blue edging?".  The numbers given could be single digits or, as you progress be any number up to 1000.  When you describe what you see, then you may 'hear' in your head, "Yes.  That's right" or similar.  If you're not sure whether you 'heard' correctly, or if you would like the 'picture' resending... then just ask, "Can I have that [can you say that] again please?".  If you are uncertain whether you're 'hearing' anything (or if it seems too quiet to hear) then ask the Pendulum those questions, and observe the YES or NO answer it gives.  With practice your confidence and ease of reception will improve, and the guide will then take you on to further exercises to increase your growing telepathic ability – maybe a 'landscape' picture that you can check for accuracy by asking questions about what is in the picture, and this will increase your ability to start having proper telepathic conversations.  You'll find it much easier than you think!

Thank you for the link you obtained as a result of your search for 'PLEIADIAN cult'.   Readers should note, however, that the Pleiadians are not a 'cult', nor do they have any following that is indicative of one.  The Pleiadian teachings stress the need to avoid any cults and instead be individual in your spiritual growth rather than following like a sheep or having 'blind faith' in what people say. Think always for yourself and from your inner-self especially.  For those who have not seen the link that MAYATNIK gives for a broad view of the Pleiadians and all that is concerning our True Origins and what is yet to be, then I repeat that link here for hundreds of channeled and unbiased scientific articles for the serious researcher into Truth:
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/  
also    http://jump.to/gibbon

Regarding your request in your earlier post, for MAYATNIK to tell you your mother's name, you add more information here:

quote: I am in the process of finding my biological mother. That is why I was aking the question. I cannot ask the question myself because I am emotionnally loaded with the question. Do you understand ? I meant to ask Mayatnik for a few days, from the time I read some posts of him in another forum of the AP, on astral projection. I would really appreciate if you could pass along the question to HIM, thank you. Mayatnik is a sensitive and very wise man, and I would rather have him respond to this, when he finds the time. It could be this week or in a month time. I am eager and at the same time afraid in my personnal quest, so I know that in a month time, it will probably still be time to give me some pointers.

MAYATNIK has asked me to tell you that he will respond to you privately regarding this matter, and will help you in any way he can.  He says to tell you not to worry about this, as all will be made right and he will be very happy to discuss this matter with you and give you some confidential pointers to help you with your quest in due course.

With best regards,

Dave

Dear Chupucabra,

In reading your post the thought occurred to me that here we see a prime example of man's arrogance towards such things. You do have Free Will, that is a fact. This is a Free Will Galaxy and was designated as such so that anything is allowed. Why though would this lead you to believe that you automatically have the right to go where you please and do as you please? Could you now decide that you wish to find out what the U.S government does behind closed doors and walk into the Pentagon or the White House, announce your intentions, and be given free reign to do as you please?

Just because you have Free Will does not entitle you to do as you please. Remember also that everyone on this planet has Free Will also and as such, are free to try to prevent you from doing certain things. Proclaiming that "I am man" does not automatically entitle you to anything.

With respect to astral projection it is entirely up to you whether or not to try. It is entirely up to the guides however as to whether or not to assist you. There is no reason why you should expect that they have to help you in any way . In this Free Will sector of the Universe, do you imagine that Free Will is restricted to us humans?

You say that it sounds as if the guides have your life figured out for you already. It is in fact yourself that has "scripted out" your life. Whether or not you realise this does not alter the truth of it.

You ask if MAYATNIK's experiences  are just his when he has quite clearly said that he was refering to not only his own experiences (and in particular what his guide has told him in great detail) but also that of others. The experiences of MJ-12 for example – where it is well documented about their 'frustration' in not being able to go just where they please to 'visit' at a particular time using Remote Viewing techniques that the Military have proven to their satisfaction work for them, but clearly admit that they find they are restricted to certain areas by higher beings ("the 'aliens', who have control over what can be seen", as they put it).

The guides are not trying to dictate what we may or may not do. What does the word "guide" suggest to you? We are but infants in terms of galactic evolution and some of us have yet to learn how to crawl, never-mind how to walk. Would you allow an infant to have free reign to go wherever they wanted to, even if this meant them crawling into the middle of the road. Or would you keep the door to the nursery closed to them until they had learned how to be safe? Perhaps you would allow them do as they wish regardless but that would make you a poor 'guide' would it not?

Who am I to speak of such things? I am nobody special. All that I have done is to follow the guidelines to the correct use of the pendulum by MAYATNIK. In doing so I have learned quickly how to find the answers I seek. I have been selected by Karek, MAYATNIK's guide to respond to questions posed to MAYATNIK in these forums. As a result of being given the day-to-day management of the two MAYATNIK threads
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
and
<QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
(both now located as 'sticky' in the Prophecy and Divination section)  and my ongoing advanced training with telepathy - which the Pendulum can easily lead to if the user is diligent - I am learning a great deal and hope to pose as an example of how easy it is to learn the truth. There is nothing that I have done that anyone here can not do also.

I ask you to leave the attitudes, preconceptions and belief systems behind and see the truth for yourself. I can answer any questions you put to me but what purpose will it  serve to just present the 'answer on a plate'? These things are there to be worked through, so I am instructed by Karek to offer only guidance along the way.  In the Higher Realms the way is there to explore under guidance and with awareness that you will only be shown what you are ready for.   As you grow in awareness then, provided you have respect for those in the Higher Astral Planes of existence then you will discover the answers for yourself.

With best regards,

Dave

Dear Chill,

Welcome to the discussion and may I extend my thanks to you for taking the time to read the thread before deciding to post.

Just in case you are wondering why I am replying to you instead of MAYATNIK when you addressed your initial question to him I shall explain. At this time MAYATNIK has moved on to other important work, my advanced training for example. I have willingly undertaken the job of responding to inquiries to the two MAYATNIK threads. MAYATNIK's guide Karek, who is working directly with me at all times in this, has selected me for the task. I presume you knew all this already though as it has been stated before in both threads.

Eight years is indeed a long time to be using the pendulum. Have you ever thought that you are missing the point entirely? The pendulum is designed as a learning tool, a precursor for telepathy, and is meant to be used as a springboard to advanced learning. To give you some examples:  MAYATNIK moved from the pendulum to telepathy in a matter of weeks and has not used the pendulum for over six years now except to teach its correct use to others. Samuel (SeekingAnswers) progressed from the pendulum to full telepathy after just three days of using the pendulum. I am currently working on improving the telepathy I have realized I already possess.

So you see, to use the pendulum for eight years is akin to riding your bicycle with the stabilizers on for the same amount of time. You even refer to it as your "Fisher-Price phone", which tells me a lot. ( I'm not sure if everyone is aware of this or not but "Fisher-Price" are makers of children's toys). Why have you continued to waste your time with something you regard as a children's toy?

All hope is not lost however. The reason that MAYATNIK started this thread in the first place was to provide those who wished to learn with information on how to correctly use the pendulum. The guidelines that have been posted here are to enable ANYONE who sincerely wishes to learn about it to develop with the pendulum. There is no time frame for advancing. It is all down to the individual. Again ANYONE who wishes to use the pendulum to begin to discover the truth for themselves will, with practice and the right approach to questioning, find that the answers they receive will continually and consistently increase in accuracy. The pendulum is the starting point and telepathy is the next step. I myself have been using the pendulum for an extremely short time and my eyes are opening to a world of truth and explanation.

You can of course continue to fool around with your "Fisher-Price phone". That is your choice. You can continue to test the pendulum as you have been doing and not learning from your mistakes. You are free to ask questions such as "MAYATNIK, can you please tell us my mother's name?", but do not expect a response, since it is for the individual to progress with the pendulum at their own pace. If MAYATNIK or myself were to tell you your mother's name, and the names of a thousand other people you can think of, it will not act as proof to the individual. The only real way to learn is by personal experience with a positive approach.  Your view that the Pendulum may be building up a 'storyline' as you add questions is your perception; consider what happens when the Prime Minister builds up a 'credibility' line to the public in what he says – it is up to the individual to interpret that at each stage, and not just go blindly along adding each bit to their 'foundation', and the source at the other end of the Pendulum is simply answering your questions for YOU to build up, so nothing is being fed to you as is the case in the physical world we live in.  In this thread is all the information you need to assist you in finding out the real potential of the pendulum, should you choose to apply it and I will be only a post away to help you along in anyway I can.

It's take it or leave it. It's up to you. Its your Free Will.

With best regards,

Dave

Greetings!

It is great to see more people experiencing positive results with the pendulum! Everyone is different of course and as such, will have different experiences. The key to uncovering the truth of any matter using the pendulum is not to test the intelligence of the pendulum but  to check use the answers to your questions to build a up a clear picture. Cover all the points and investigate as much as you possibly can. Do not make the mistake of taking the first answer as correct. It may well be but the more you investigate the deeper the understanding you will have. To ask just one or two questions is like seeing the picture of a house in the realtor's shop window. You may know what the house is but how much do you really know about it? Deeper investigation and continued questioning will lead you to be given the guided tour. Upstairs, downstairs, over, under, inside and out. You can find out as much as you want to learn on your guided tour. Just ask the guide.

I am only too happy to explain why those two questions of yours may be causing some confusion Cainam. Before I do so I would like to share a few observations of mine on your recent questions/answers session. It seems that you may be too anxious. Sometimes we can miss the obvious if we are looking too hard for something more.

In question 3 of your session the pendulum circled counter-clockwise.  There are several meanings to anti-clockwise...not just <delete>. What happened in this case was that the pendulum searched BACK to check what actually occurred...and made an evaluation on the 'data' with all known facts as a result. This is not something to bother much with for now. Just be aware if it happens so you can then benefit from asking questions about that movement.

With question 13 you got NO, circle clockwise, and then YES. What happened here was more than just an answer but almost a sentence, if understood correctly. NO , SEARCHING (for data to do with hypnotherapy particularly related to you), then YES. Meaning NO (not normally the case) ...but <search>....YES (in this particular case)


You may benefit here by asking questions related to your hypnotherapy sessions. You might also wish to investigate your empathy. What seems to be needed more so than anything else is really just getting used to the pendulum. This is easily done with practice and investigating as deeply as you can to get the clearest picture possible. I have found of tremendous aid to improving my questioning skills, the following link as given to me by MAYATNIK on request to help me to compose a response to a question posed to me. This link and others of similar interest are now posted in the "NEW? Planet Approaching" thread in the  OBE Discussions forum.

http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/  

Members may also find the Q&A's posted in the "Question for MAYATNIK" thread to be of assistance in seeing how to build up a clear picture through not simply accepting the answer but probing further all the time.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5318&whichpage=4



With best regards,

Dave

[ON THE SUBJECT OF NIBIRU- and a very recent request for information by No Leaf Clover]

ON THE SUBJECT OF NIBIRU
- and a very recent request for information by No Leaf Clover

No_Leaf_Clover (writing in the <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> thread) had expressed "extreme interest" regarding what Karek might be willing to reveal through myself using the Pendulum on the subject of Nibiru, Mayatnik has informed me.

Because Mayatnik is not now available to respond directly, I have been selected by his guide Karek (who is now working directly with me) to answer all enquiries using the Pendulum, through which Karek replies since I do not as yet have telepathic ability like Mayatnik does.  Mayatnik can simply channel the information, whereas I have to use, , the Pendulum to ask numerous questions in order to get the 'picture' in answer to an enquiry posed by a member.  This obviously takes much time, since the whole purpose of using the Pendulum is not to just 'accept' an answer as definitive but to continue questioning untill a good overview is obtained that I can then present to the reader both as a 'lesson' in how to question and also give the useful information that is the result of that session. – that is my assigned task by Karek for my present work here on this website.

In view of the fact that the question concerning Nibiru is a big one, covering many aspects for the reader to assimilate in order to get a good perspective on this, Mayatnik suggested that he could save me much time by himself researching links to websites where  I could then use the Pendulum to form questions based on the texts there.  I left this then to him in the meantime, saying that I would look at the data on those sites when he had made a list of them.

Mayatnik then proceeded to do this, but it was not untill over 2 hours of work later in compiling this list that he happened to notice the post by No_Leaf_Clover in <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> had by this time been deleted.   Karek is not pleased that, after the amount of time involved already in this work, the question posed with extreme interest has been withdrawn, especially since many hours of further work had been planned to be willingly undertaken.

As a result, Karek has decided for information to be posted here, in the <"New" Planet Approaching> thread, for the benefit of members in general.

However, she does not consider it appropriate (since this is not a Pendulum related thread) to give an extensive Question/Answer session (any members interested in learning to use the Pendulum are referred to the appropriate threads in the Consciousness section:
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
(for Pendulum instruction)
and <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
(for questions to put to the Pendulum)

Instead, a wide cross-section of links provided by Mayatnik are listed below for the readers to investigate themselves.  These links cover both websites that are skeptical or negative,  and websites that are Informative with a great deal of positive background that will give an unbiased picture.  This is a Free Will World, the Pleiadians inform us, and so all is allowed and should not be restricted from viewing. It is for the reader to make up their own mind, and this can only be done by reading as much as is available with a positive attitude.  So, thanks to Mayatnik, here is an excellent resource list of websites and articles on the Internet:

(below this is a short Q/A session – so before you jump to the links you may find the Q/A session beneficial for your exploration)

USEFUL WEBSITE LINKS TO INVESTIGATE

GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/  ...also: http://jump.to/gibbon
This is an excellent well-established site in the Netherlands (where Free Thinking is not repressed) and has hundreds of articles not only from Channeling sources, but also scientific and archaeological and other disciplines that give a wide unbiased picture for the reader who wants to know the Truth.
The website main page gives a 'menu' of links to articles, such as:
   Digitaria, Sorghum, Nibiru and Earth   (see also *extract* below)
   http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/digitaria.htm
which in turn contains links to further relevant articles on Nibiru (in this case), such as:
      Dogon and Sirius
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/dogon.htm
      Enki and Enlil – and the possible beginning of Mankind
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/enki_enlil.htm
      Solar System
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/solarsystem.htm#vibrani
The "GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE" is the definitive site used by serious researchers who can then follow up the many references clearly given to reliable sources such as books and University Articles elsewhere.

The 'official' website of the Zeta Reticuli contains all the background to their involvement with the Earth at this time approaching the Pole Shift – not only Nibiru, but all aspects surrounding this event (where the governments stand in all of this, plus full details about 'density'  [4th to 6th Dimensions], and how teleportation and other higher technologies are used plus much more, so worth a good reading through the whole site to form a comprehensive picture.

ZETATALK Website  (and it's associated site "Troubled Times")
http://www.zetatalk.com/
The Zetatalk main page lists links down the left-hand panel to main sections.  Along the top are links to update sections, and the main page itself is in the form of a summary with embedded links.  Each link leads to a further page, a short article relevant to that topic (again with embedded link-words that in turn give onto another page of explanatory text).  Thus, the very large amount of information on the Zeta website is very easily accessible at a click of the mouse (the browser's back-arrow can at each stage return the reader to the previous higher-level page in this well thought out menu system).

POLE SHIFT PREPARE website:
www.poleshiftprepare.com
This well established website gives balanced information and editorial updates, plus scientific information and survival tips along with links to suppliers of items that will be vital in a forthcoming catyclism of whatever magnitude.

Yet more websites - here three of many such 'general' sites in this area:

CRYSTAL LINKS website:
http://crystallinks.com/nibiru.htm

PLANET X –  (from "Choices for Living" website)
http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/planetx.htm

EARTHFILES Website
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=483&category=Science

While it may seem a shortcut to just jump to the sites listed below that are in  opposition to the ones above to look at what the opposition call the nitty-gritty, it is worth mentioning that such sites only talk about a very small area of the whole subject whereas the above sites give a very broad picture and therefore put it into perspective since much that is discussed is far above the level of what is known by science, so the reader is advised to read as much as possible.

DENIAL OF NIBIRU AND THE POLE SHIFT websites:

Several websites have sprung up to throw scorn and skepticism on the whole thing and to denounce it.  These such are mainly 'science' oriented (based on their current knowledge, and pushed by the 'establishment' – although Free Thinking scientists have broken away from the restrictive science-dogma).  One of the leading adherents to the 'science based facts' in the "this can't be possible" camp, is Tim Goodness who gives links to sites that advocate such thinking – and these are listed below for the reader to peruse (the Pendulum will be found especially useful in checking 'facts' on these sites).......

TIM GOODNESS LINKS:    Planet X web sites:
Dr. Philip Plait's web site, Bad Astronomy:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/index.html
Planet X and the Pole Shift:
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/index.html
XFacts, Planet X page:
http://xfacts.com/planetx2003hype.html

REGARDING THE PENDULUM.....

PLEASE NOTE:  If any readers feel, in their perception, that the Pendulum is an unreliable tool for Divination of Truth, then apart from the hundreds of years that it has been consistently used with proven accuracy by Dowsers, the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!> thread was set up for [I[INSTRUCTION[/i] in its accurate usage, and quite a number of members are now gaining skill in its use by following the guidelines given in the thread.  But, if any member nevertheless feels strongly against its use (and a full carefull reading of Mayatnik's posts and other positive contributions in that thread is essential to understand what the Pendulum is really all about), then they are, of course, free to express this. However, I would respectfully suggest that the best way to do this is not by disrupting the positive flow of the thread and the progress of those who are keen to follow the Pendulum course  set out in that thread and for which purpose it exists.  Rather, it would be far more usefull to all if such dissenting members were to start their own thread to debate this, since the Pendulum thread by Mayatnik is NOT a debating thread but an Instruction thread and its efficacy to members is prevented by such negatively inspired intrusion, so for the benefit of all a separate thread by and for all such objectors is the best way forward for Free Will to be preserved.  Mayatnik would not dream, for example, of intruding into such as a Psychic Defense topic to denounce or otherwise seek to demean it – as there is a purpose in everything, and a place for everyone to pursue their path of enlightenment without oppression.  The only reason why this post is here in another section is purely to give POSITIVE reinforcement to the topic that this particular thread here discusses (hence the links to useful websites, and minimum Pendulum divination given).  It is up to the reader therefore, on a take it or leave it basis, whether they wish to follow the links or indeed take any notice of the short Pendulum Q/A session given below and which offers further enlightenment.

QUESTION – ANSWER SESSION follows:
(I am permitted to use the Pendulum to talk to Karek directly)

Have you, Karek, asked for this post to be set out in this way?
YES

Was it your intention to give answers on the subject of Nibiru?
YES

I understand that you have since decided that readers should investigate this for themselves in the main.  Is this so?
YES

Is this since the question by a particular member was deleted – effectively withdrawn – and other factors at this time?
YES

So, as a result you are not prepared to go into detail regarding what I might have asked concerning Nibiru?
NO

But, may I ask a few very general questions?
YES

And you will decide which of them I can make known?
YES

[I then asked a number of questions, and the ones I am permitted to use here are given below]

Does Nibiru exist?
YES

Do the ancient texts speak about its coming in those times?
YES

So those texts were accurate in their descriptions of this event. Is this correct?
YES

And is it on it's way again?
YES

Will similar events follow as described on the Zeta website?
YES

Will there be a Pole Shift?
YES

And there will be large-scale, Richter-15 earthquakes, , plus volcanic activity, in certain areas as detailed on the Zeta website?
YES

..... and Tidal Waves?
YES

Is this what happened at the time of Noah and the Flood?
YES

So, people can read about this to prepare, if they choose. Is this correct?
YES

Is this why the above links have been given at this time?
YES

Will there be mass panic at the time of the Pole Shift?
NO

Will people get adequate warning as the time approaches?
YES

So, they will know for sure?
YES

I understand that there will be 'signs' – as was given in the ancient texts, and has been further explained on the Zeta site – to indicate the time-frame of events. Is this correct?
YES

So, people can read and prepare?
YES

Are you willing to permit me to share any further information you have provided me with on the subject of Nibiru?  NO

But you had intended for me to share much more of this information prior to the post by No_Leaf_Clover being deleted? YES

It appears to be quite obvious that certain individuals are not happy to see the pendulum being used by members in a positive way to discover the truth for themselves? Is this the case?
YES

Neither MAYATNIK or myself have tried to discredit Psychic Defense or Astral Projection. Nor do we intend to.
NO

Thank you for your responses, Karek.  Is this reply ready to post now?
YES

With best regards,

Dave

Greetings Joyrex,

I am delighted to take the opportunity to respond to your excellent questions. This is a topic that I have been giving much consideration to and now, with the pendulum, I have the means to find out the truth of the matter. Posted below for your consideration  are the questions and answers from my session with Karek using the pendulum.

** Any notes I have made for this post will be typed in green


Hello Karek. May I please ask you some questions at this time?   YES

As joyrex has mentioned, Einstein said "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet". Is this true?    NO

Is becoming a vegetarian crucial for mankind's development?  NO

Is becoming a vegetarian important to mankind's development?  NO

Will eating meat obstruct mankind's evolution?  NO

Will becoming a vegetarian make a person become healthier?  NO

Will becoming a vegetarian help psychic development in an individual?  NO

These answers are contradictory to what I had believed to be the truth. So naturally I was not satisfied to leave it at that. I continue with further questioning.

Is the Human body designed to eat meat?  YES

Has this always been the case?  NO

Has man always eaten meat?  NO

Is it true that mankind is not supposed to eat meat?  NO

Did mankind evolve to become meat-eaters?  YES

Did man take it upon himself to start eating meat?  NO

Did it become necessary for mankind to start eating meat?  YES

Was it necessary for mankind to become meat-eaters?  YES

Was meat always available for mankind to eat?  YES

Was there a shortage of other foods?  YES

Did mankind use up the other food resources?  NO

Did food just stop growing?  NO

Did Man become unable to grow food in the soil?  YES

Did food growing fail because of bad soil?  NO

Was there a drought?  NO

Were the crops drowned?  YES

Were they drowned in heavy rainfall?  NO

Were they drowned by rivers overflowing?  NO

Were they drowned in a flood?  YES

Is this flood recorded in history?  YES

Was this the great flood in the time of Noah?  YES

So, before the flood mankind lived as vegetarians. Is this correct?  YES

After the flood, because of necessity mankind began to eat meat. Is this correct? YES

When the land became dry again should mankind have stopped eating meat?  NO

Would it have been of benefit to mankind to return to vegetarianism?  NO

When the land became dry once more did the food begin to grow in the soil again of it's own accord?  NO

Did mankind work the soil to bring back the crops? YES

Prior to the flood did mankind know how to grow and cultivate crops?  NO

After the flood was mankind taught how to grow and cultivate crops?  YES

Did this teaching come from the higher realms?  YES

Was this teaching attributed to the 'Gods' of that time? YES

Was it these same 'Gods' who taught mankind to eat meat?  YES

Was mankind taught to farm and eat meat for the benefit of mankind?  YES

Zecharia Sitchin in his translations of ancient texts tells how the Gods created certain crops of wheat and rye that could be grown and harvested to produce good yields, but that the Gods also taught hill farming and shepherding of animals to give a source of food where agriculture was not possible.  Is this what happened   YES


Was it in mankind's best interest to continue to farm meat along with the cultivation of the crops?  YES

Is this how civilisation began to develop to the way it is today?  YES


....which brings us back to the present day.



By now the human body has become accustomed to meat. Is this correct?  YES

Would it be harmful to revert back to vegetarianism?  NO

Would it be harmful to revert back to vegetarianism completely and immediately?  YES

Would it take time for the body to change to suit a vegetarian diet?  YES

Is it necessary to begin the change back towards a vegetarian lifestyle?  NO

Would it be beneficial to mankind's development spiritually or otherwise to do so?  NO

Is there a direct connection between psychic development and vegetarianism?  NO

Is it true that many psychics believe that there is a connection between psychic development and being a vegetarian?  YES

Is this related to the fact that in Eastern cultures where greater emphasis is placed on spiritual growth, they eat less meat?  YES

Do these cultures eat less meat because it hinders spiritual growth?  NO

Do these cultures eat less meat because the conditions in these countries are more favourable to towards fish and crops that are grown?  YES

Is this the only reason?  NO

Do some people in these countries believe that meat hinders spiritual growth?  YES

Is this a misconception that has grown over time?  YES

Is this due to the fact that because of conditions for growth and farming they have always eaten less meat than in Western cultures, who place less emphasis on spiritual growth?  YES




I know you did not specifically ask but since we are on the subject of vegetarianism I decided to go that little bit further and ask about genetically modified foods.


Are Genetically Modified crops good for human consumption?  NO

So, are they harmful to humans?  YES

Do they cause illness   NO

Will eating them make us ill?  NO

But you say they are harmful to humans?   YES

Are they harmful to humans biologically? YES

Do they harm human genes? YES

Are they harmful to humans in any other way?  NO

Are they harmful in any other way?  YES

Do they harm the planet?  YES

Do they have an adverse effect on the ecology?  YES

And this would cause many problems. Correct?  YES

Would this seriously affect life on the planet?  YES


Here is where I ended the session.



I hope you find these Q&A helpful to you joyrex. It has taken me several hours of questioning with the pendulum to arrive at the questions and answers that I have posted here. Due to a shortage of time I leave the other question (communicating with 'higher beings') for you to ask the pendulum about.

With best regards,

Dave

[Branden says:]

Greetings everyone,

First of all, I have to say that I fully agree with James S with respect to how this discussion between Timeless and Daniel (SilentWitness78) has transpired. James, you write with respect and objectivity and your post is a fine example of how open and healthy a debate should be. You have excellent moderating skills.


Dear Daniel,

I appreciate the effort you put forth into this thread and I can see how you got frustrated here, with Timeless deliberately avoiding to answer your questions. However, your approach was wrong. You were disrespectful and allowed yourself to be drawn into a defensive position. Timeless is fully entitled to her opinion. She has the right to say what she likes just as you have the right to disagree.

Your intentions are commendable though and Karek has asked me to thank you personally. I am told you got very few hours sleep as a result of trying to defend the members' interests and that you were on the steps of the library this morning before it opened to get a copy of "The Keys to the Temple" so you can study Sacred Geomancy. (This book is one of the many recommended by MAYATNIK and posted by Frank in the Astral Library, along with MAYATNIK's reviews.)


Permit me now to address the post that started all this commotion in the first place.
Originally posted by Timeless:

"Dear All,

I am never up in these forums but a post in another forum caught my attention.

I am not a fan of the pedulum.  I would recommend asking the level of consciousness the 'one' guiding the pedulum has before trusting the information coming through. Just go through levels asking Yes or No.

I did pendulum work in my ancient past. I found I would get good information mixed with inaccurate information. I find I get more accurate, consistently reliable information when I ask questions in lucid dream state or meditation. This is just me though. Maybe I am just not good with the pendulum. Also, it is a really painstaking way to get info. I find higher astral entities and advanced alien consciousness's tend to use more efficient means of communication.  I see the pendulum as a side road on the spiritual path. I decided not to stay on it too long but instead sought better means of communication. Just my opinion. Hope I did not anger anyone.

Respectfully,
timeless  "


Dear Timeless,

You say you are not a fan of the pendulum. You have not read all of the information and guidelines posted on this thread about the correct use of the pendulum. Might I ask then as to why you feel you are qualified to make recommendations as to it's use? You are of course entitled to make any comments you wish but how do you know what has already been explained without first reading the thread?

I also "did pendulum work" in the past. I also found "I would get good information mixed with inaccurate information". So like you, I put down the pendulum to pursue other avenues. Unlike your good self however, I was willing to entertain the possibility that I had not been using the pendulum correctly and as such was getting somewhat unreliable information. When MAYATNIK started this thread I was open to the possibility that I may have been wrong in my methods and that this person might know more about the pendulum than I did. With an open mind and positive approach I took up the pendulum again and used it in the way suggested by MAYATNIK. I ignored what I had previously "known" to be the way the pendulum works in order to be open to learn.

To quote from your original post, "Maybe I am just not good with the pendulum". I suggest to you that it may be more a case of not knowing how to use the pendulum correctly. Having admitted this though, you then proceed to make further allegation towards the pendulum.

"Also, it is a really painstaking way to get information."

I respectfully disagree. The above statement is simply untrue. When you use the pendulum correctly you build up a rapport with it. The questions will begin to flow freely and easily and it becomes just as having a conversation with an old friend.

"I find higher astral entities and advanced alien consciousness's tend to use more efficient means of communication. I see the pendulum as a side road on the spiritual path. I decided not to stay on it too long but instead sought better means of communication. "

Yes, you would do. I too did not realize just how effective the pendulum is before I learned of it's proper use. If you can put your skepticism to one side and approach the pendulum in an open and positive way, you too will realize just how powerfull it really is. Of course, you would have to read MAYATNIK's posts first to learn how to properly use the pendulum.

The main problem we seem to be having on this thread is people joining in without first reading all of the information contained herein. This is happening all too often which is why I have temporarily taken over from MAYATNIK on the two threads pertinent to the pendulum. In so doing, MAYATNIK has available to him more time to compile a summary of all the information posted here. This will take some time to do and in the meantime I ask that before anyone contributes to the thread with their comments and complaints that they at least take the time to read the thread first.

My biggest concern here Timeless is not what you say in your posts but rather what you do not say. You have made many allegations towards the pendulum. And not how you 'think' it is not extremely valuable for spiritual growth but how you 'know'. Daniel has asked you time and again to explain how you have come to these assumptions. Instead of explaining why you 'know' these things you have completely avoided the questions. Perhaps this is due to the manner in which Daniel responded to you. If so I can fully understand. His tone was indeed defensive but his intentions were good. Also, I suggest you knew full well that your post would inspire defensiveness and counter-attacking in people.

I respectfully ask that you please explain how you have come to form your opinions on the pendulum. You have said that they come from personal experience so you should be able to give us a first hand account. I have very good reason to ask this of you.What you have wittingly implied in your posts is that the pendulum is not beneficial to a person's growth, spiritually or otherwise. You have made claims to know such things without giving evidence to back it up, implying that you know these things and that's all there is to it.When one takes into consideration that you have recently obtained the status of moderator, one can begin to imagine the negative influence your posts are having on the open minded people who read this thread.

Neither myself nor MAYATNIK are telling anyone what they should do. On the other hand you are telling people what not to do. Not by your words but by your omissions. There are many people who read this thread but do not post here. By your implications and the fact that you are a moderator, you are creating doubt in the minds of people who wish to learn. I have been given permission by Branden, one such member, to post excerpts from his messenger conversation with MAYATNIK. This is to pose as an example of one (of many) members who are eager to learn but have been negatively influenced by Timeless' posts.

With my thanks to you Branden:

Branden says:
you should have told me which pages to just skip over in that thread, even though i fully believed or thought i did in the way the pendulum worked, some of these posts have made me aware of a level of doubt

MAYATNIK says:
This is a Free Will World.........where people can say what they like........ so you will encounter such people, for you to 'know' and choose as a result.  There will always be 'doubters'....but usually you find the doubters haven't even read the thread, as you'll find most often is the case.
MAYATNIK says:
The very latest post (on page 15) from Timeless, is a prime example........he wouldn't be making his statement if he'd bothered to read the first page properly.

Branden says:
i still believe that it works, and there's no real reason for me to believe that it works in a way other than you've mentioned... i'm just a bit reluctant to pick it up now, because it might be affected be these new doubts

MAYATNIK says:
The doubts are in someone else's mind.... the whole point of the Pendulum is to ask, "Is this true what this person is saying?".....and you'll be given the answer.

Branden says:
i mean, now that it's taking my questions mentally, what's to guarantee that i won't have a thought like: "This is probably just my subconscious", or "This isn't real" from popping into my mind and portraying negativity?

MAYATNIK says:
You have made it clear that 1 single person can affect your mind........and that also can affect the mind of other members......that's why people should not make comments when they don't know what the subject is about......and *timeless* ....and *13* didn't know what it was all about......so they caused confusion.  The answer, as always, is to ask the Pendulum.....that's why I started the thread.

MAYATNIK says:
I'd like to pass on your constructive comments to Parmenion, if I may?

Branden says:
you can do whatever you want with anything i say
Branden says:
if there's something that i'm not comfortable with you sharing i'll say so beforehand

MAYATNIK says:
You can be anonymous or he can quote your *Branden* name.....it is entirely up to you.

Branden says:
i'm fine with my name being used, it's also what i registered with on the forums, so once i start posting the quotes might seem more in context
Branden says:
That's one of the reasons i'm reluctant to post my results or questions yet... i don't want to post something only to find out that it's been answered, a fight has broke out about it and since been solved, and then i bring it all up again
Branden says:
also i'm afraid i'll start exagerating my results so my posts seem more interesting... i'm really going to have to watch that

MAYATNIK says:
I understand what you're saying.....but what is being discussed now on the threads is the best way to ask questions...so members are asked to send in their Q/A sessions so that others can share them........ therefore everything you can send in will be of great value......it's how you ask the questions that will help others, not just what the questions are about.....so please feel free to send in.


So you see Timeless this is why it is important for you to lend example to your opinion. If you say how you came to your conclusions with regard to the pendulum we can discuss them in an open and respectfull manner.Furthermore I ask you to please remember the importance of reading the thread first so as you have all the information. What you choose to do with it then is of course up to you.

With best regards,

Dave

Hi Kalonek,

If you have not allready done so, it might be of benefit to read Daniel's latest reply. There are some very good pointers in there (thank you for your input Daniel)

Karek tells me it is better for you to discover your own answers at this time. Here is a  short Q&A to reassure you you will do fine.


Hello Karek. May I ask a couple of questions about Kalonek at this time?  YES
Thank-you.
Is Kalonek interfering with the pendulum withlittle "pushes"?  YES
Is this a big problem?  NO
If Kalonek lets go and relaxes and tries not to force things, will this problem be corrected?  YES
With practise, will Kalonek do very well with the pendulum?  YES

And dont worry about the size of the swing. An inch is fine. The length of swing will vary as you progress with the pendulum. When it does, why not ask it why?

With best regards,

Dave

[exactly]

Greetings Roy Harper,

Rather than just repeating my questions, may I ask why did you not question them even further? Question everything yes, including MAYATNIK and myself but don't stop there. Question your questions and your answers. Dig as deep as you can to find out as much as you can.

I have put together all of the questions that you and I got different answers to. I will go through each one individually. Following on from Daniel's easy to read post I will post the original questions in a red with the answer I received first and the one you received second. The questions I asked in this session will be in blue and any other comments in the usual black.



Q: Does MAYATNIK have a philosophy?
A: Strong NO | YES


Was RH using the pendulum correctly with the above question? YES
Does RH's definition of philosophy differ from mine?  NO
When RH asked the above question did he mean any philosophy?  YES
Whan I asked the question did I mean any philosophy?  NO
When I asked that question was I going on the assumption that RH meant a philosophy on the pendulum or the Pleiadians?  YES
Was I wrong to make that assumption? NO
Is this what RH meant at the time?  YES

So lets ask that question in a different way...

Is the information  posted here by MAYATNIK with regards to the pendulum and/or the Peiadians his philosophy?   NO
Has all the information posted here by MAYATNIK come directly from you Karek?  YES



Q: Does the pendulum consistantly disagree with MAYATNIK in what he says?
A: NO | YES


I repeat the question. Answer is NO

Did RH's pendulum tell him it consistantly disagrees with MAYATNIK in what he says?  YES
Does the pendulum disagree with any of the information given here by MAYATNIK?  NO
Has MAYATNIK given any false information here?  NO
Is all the information given by MAYATNIK here correct?  YES
Does the pendulum disagree with any of the information posted here by MAYATNIK?  NO
Does RH's pendulum disagree with MAYATNIK on something different than what is posted here?  YES
Will RoyHarper be able to find out what that might be with further questioning?  YES

**When I am asking questions I ask Karek directly as that is who I am working with. Instead of "does the pendulum..." I say "do you" or "do you Karek"...
I have posted the questions in that way so as to keep it as clear as possible for everyone.**




Q:Does the Pendulum operate through the guides' *computer* as Mayatnik says?
A: Strong YES | NO
Q: Does a guide talk to the Pendulum via  their Computer?
A: Strong YES | STRONG NO


I suspect the problem here is your interpritation of *computer* in this context. You may be taking it too literaly. It is much more than just a *computer*.



Q: So, is their 'computer' being used like a kind of 'switchboard'?
A: YES | NO


Again the problem seems to lie with the word *computer*. Lets ask a different question.

Does the communication with individuals via the pendulum happen exactly the way MAYATNIK describes it?  YES



Q: Is RoyHarper correct in this?
A: NO | YES


Were RH and I thinking totally different things when asking this?   YES


The original question is far too open to get a definitive answer by itself.



Q: Is RoyHarper using the pendulum correctly?
A: Strong NO | STRONG YES


Is RH using the pendulum correctly now? SEARCHING
Was RH using the pendulum correctly when asking that question?  YES



Is he communicating with the *computer* ? YES | NO

Here we see the word *computer* causing a problem again

When using the pendulum is RH communicating with the *computer* as I understand it?  YES
Does RH hold a different meaning for the word *computer* in this sense?  YES
Is this why we are getting conflicting answers?  YES
Do you think RH should use the pendulum to investigate this *computer*?   YES



Has RH been communicating with anything but the computer since he began using the pendulum? NO | YES

This could have been a conflicting answer because of *computer* or because of a lack of definition.

Has RH been communicating with anything but the *computer* via the pendulum since he started using the pendulum?  NO



Is he making mistakes with the pendulum? YES | NO

Is RH making mistakes with his pendulum now?  NO
Was he making mistakes with the pendulum when I asked you that question originally?  YES



Is he following the method outlined by MAYATNIK? NO | YES
Is RH following the method outlined by MAYATNIK as RH understands it? NO | YES


Is he following the method outlined by MAYATNIK?  YES
Is RH following the method outlined by MAYATNIK as RH understands it?  YES
Was he followin the method outlined by MAYATNIK at the time I asked these questions originally?  NO



Are there aspects of MAYATNIK's guidelines that RH is not clear on? YES | NO

Were there aspects of MAYATNIK's guidelines that he was not clear on beforehand?  YES

It is important to note here that as you can see from the last few questions and answers (and indeed the ones following this) that you are clearly progressing with the pendulum. You are adopting the right attitude towards questioning and you will do very well with the pendulum indeed!



Should he re-read through MAYATNIK's posts? YES | NO
Will re-reading through MAYATNIK's posts give RH a better understanding of how the pendulum works? YES | NO


Should he re-read through MAYATNIK's posts?  NO
Will re-reading through MAYATNIK's posts give RH a better understanding of how the pendulum works?  NO
Is this because he now has a better understanding of how to use the pendulum correctly?  YES



Is RH receiving false information from the pendulum? YES | NO

In the beginning was RH recieving false information from the pendulum?  YES
Is RH receiving false information from the pendulum now? NO



Is he receiving false information from the pendulum to show him he is using it incorrectly? YES | STRONG NO

Is he receiving false information from the pendulum to show him he is using it incorrectly? NO
Is this because he is now using the pendulum correctly?  YES



Is the pendulum trying to teach RH how to use it correctly? YES | STRONG NO

Is the pendulum trying to teach RH how to use it correctly? NO
Was the pendulum trying to teach RH how to use it correctly before?  YES
Is this part of the learning process with the pendulum?  YES



Is RH's failing in not approaching the questions from different angles when he feels the answer is wrong? YES | NO

Does RH now realise that he should approach the questions from different angles when he feels the answer is wrong?  YES (only very slight movement)
Will this post help RH and others to further realise they must  approach questions from different angles?  YES



So, if RH feels the answer to a question is wrong he should definitely take a different approach to the question? Is this correct? YES | NO

Lets rephrase this question...

If RH feels the answer is wrong he should take a different approach to get better results. Is this correct?  YES
We got different answers to the question before. Is this because "definitely should" could be taken to be an infringement of Free Will?  YES
If I had asked further questions at the time would I have realised this?  YES



Is this what the pendulum is trying to show RH by giving him 'false' information? YES | NO MOVEMENT

At the time was the pendulum giving RH false answers to show him that when he feels the answer is wrong he should take a different approach in order to get better results?  YES


That's all of the conflicting aswers covered. We got the same answer on all the rest but don't let that stop you from investigating them further if you wish. With practise you will gain an affinity with the pendulum and it is quite obvious you are allready progressing very well with it.

With best regards,

Dave

Hi Squeek,

There is no need to put down the pendulum to write down your Q&A on paper. You should be holding the pendulum in the hand that you do not write with so there is no need to break the connection during your session.

You should have no problem getting a name using the method MAYATNIK suggests a few posts up. Please do post and let us know how you get on.


Hi TerryB,

They are some good questions you have there. Why not use the pendulum yourself to find out the answers? You don't need to have any special skills to use the pendulum. Try it and see how you get on.


With best regards,

Dave

Greetings Kalonek,


I understand your concern. You have got to realise that much of what you will read (especially on the internet) is not to be trusted.
There are many charlatans around who try to teach people wrong information. Whether they know it is wrong or beleive it to be correct is irrelevant, it is still wrong.

With the pendulum however, you have in your hands a tool to verify any information you read and with it you will find only the truth. I suggest you check everything you read, including this post and others here with your pendulum.

With best regards,

Dave

Hi Squeek,

If you are having trouble remembering what questions you have asked try this. Keep a piece of paper with you and jot down the Q+A (in shorthand if you like). I have allways found that writing things down helps me to remember. Often times I don't have to read what I've written down, the fact that I've written it down is enough to help me remember.

You could even keep a log of your sessions with the pendulum if you wish


With best regards,

Dave

quote:Originally posted by RoyHarper

Parmenion, that's quite an interesting response.

Since I'm obviously misusing the above stated method, could you troubleshoot with your pendulum what I'm specificaly doing wrong.  I'm sure it would be great help to not only myself, but also others on this board.

Also, whomever I'm speaking to (assuming I was speaking correctly) claims to have a name.  Moreover, he can give answers that are in accordance with my thoughs but also others that are not.

Hi RoyHarper!

I took up your invitation to find out where you were going wrong. I've posted the Q+A below for you to see. They are exactly as I asked them except for the fact that I abbreviated your name when putting them in type. I've also omitted the mannerisms such as please and thank-you that I use. I did this only because I'm not very fast on the keyboard. I hope the following will be of help to yourself and others with regards to the correct use of the pendulum.




Do you know who is communicating with RH through the pendulum?  YES

Is it a Pleiadian?  NO

Is he communicating with the *computer* ?   YES

Has the computer told RH it has a name?  NO

Did the computer tell RH he was communicating with someone who had a name?   YES

Is he communicating with a Pleiadian via the computer?   NO

Is anyone or anything using the computer to communicate with RH?   NO

Has RH been communicating with anything but the computer since he began using the pendulum?    NO




Is RH misusing the pendulum?   NO

Is he making mistakes with the pendulum?  YES

Is he following the method outlined by MAYATNIK?   NO

Is RH following the method outlined by MAYATNIK as RH understands it?   NO

Is RH aware he is not using the pendulum correctly?   NO

Is he aware he is not using it as outlined by MAYATNIK?   NO

Does RH believe he is using the pendulum as outlined by MAYATNIK?   YES

Would RH have better results with the pendulum if he used it as outlined by MAYATNIK?    YES

Are there aspects of MAYATNIK's guidelines that RH is not clear on?  YES

Should he re-read through MAYATNIK's posts?  YES

Will re-reading through MAYATNIK's posts give RH a better understanding of how the pendulum works?   YES




Is RH receiving false information from the pendulum?   YES

Is he receiving false information from the pendulum to show him he is using it incorrectly?   YES

Is the pendulum trying to teach RH how to use it correctly?   YES

If RH takes a different approach will he have more success with the pendulum?   YES



RH has asked me to find out what specifically he is doing wrong. Can you tell me?   YES

Is RH physically using the pendulum wrong in any way?  NO

Is RH asking wrong questions?  NO

Are any questions wrong questions to ask?   NO

Is RH taking the answers at face value?   NO

Should he be?   NO

Is RH's failing in not approaching the questions from different angles when he feels the answer is wrong?   YES

If RH changes his approach to the questions will he get more accurate responses?  YES

So, if RH feels the answer to a question is wrong he should definitely take a different approach to the question? Is this correct?  YES

Is this what the pendulum is trying to show RH by giving him 'false' information?   YES


Will this series of Q+A help RH and others to get a better understanding of how the pendulum works?   YES


You can see how I've used different approaches to the same question for verification and/or more information. When you get used to it the questions start to flow naturally, almost like you are having a conversation with the pendulum.

Hope that's of some help to you []

With Best Regards,

Dave

My sentiments exactly!

Good to "see" you Darryl []

Take care,

Dave

Hi Frank,

quote: Plus, any kind of "doubt" puts a MAJOR spoke in the works. Bruce Moen is always making this point. He's always saying the biggest problem people tend to have is believing in what they are doing.

Yes, it does seem to be the case that contrary to what we are conditioned into from an earlier age, believing is seeing

quote:It is precisely because of these pitfalls, the best state of mind to have is to remain neutral: especially emotionally. From this basis, or standpoint, what you then do is release an air of mild curiosity. Okay, I do very much realise that is a darned sight easier to say, than it is to actually do at the time. But all it takes is knowledge of the ground-rules coupled with daily practice.

This is exactly the frame of mind I always try to maintain. Granted it is, as you say, easier said than done but I am getting better at maintaining this mindset with practise.

I find your posts extremely helpfull and Ginny's extremely inspiring. Thank you for your response here. A question if I may? Would you recommend Bruce Moen's work? Does his work with afterlife retrievals and such draw any parrallels with astral phasing?

Best regards,

Dave

Greetings RoyHarper,

Thats a big question for such a little sentence.
Might I ask what MAYATNIK's philosophy is? I don't recall reading it.

As I stated in a previous post, I have used the pendulum in the past but not nearly to the extent that I am using it now. In just a few short days Ive been very impressed with the results. Ive asked many questions of it and have had many things verified by the use of it. I used the pendulum to delve into your quick question and I said recently that I would post my results with the pendulum here at some stage. Perhaps now is as good a time as any.

Q: Does MAYATNIK have a philosophy?
A: Strong NO

Q: Does the pendulum consistantly disagree with MAYATNIK in what he says?
A: NO

Q: Does the pendulum EVER disagree with MAYATNIK in what he says about the pendulum?
A: Strong NO

Q:Does the Pendulum operate through the guides' *computer* as Mayatnik says?
A: Strong YES

Q: Does a guide talk to the Pendulum via the their Computer?
A: Strong YES

Q: And sometimes a 'monitor'(guide) does this also. Is this correct?
A: YES

Q: So, is their 'computer' being used like a kind of 'switchboard'?
A: YES

Q: Does MAYATNIK recieve his communications by telepathy?
A: YES

Q: Is RoyHarper correct in this?
A: NO

Q: Is RoyHarper using the pendulum correctly?
A: Strong NO

Q: Should I post this list of Q&A in response to RoyHarper?
A: YES

( I have a tendancy to ask questions with respect and as such use polite mannerisms such as please and thank-you along with the questions).

I could have kept going with this line of questioning but I think these are sufficiant to answer your question Roy.

I invite anyone still skeptical to use the pendulum in a similar fashion. When questions are approached in the right way, you may be surprised at just how accurate the pendulum really is []

Take care,

Dave

quote:Originally posted by silentwitness78

I posted this in the "Question for Mayatnik" thread the other night but feel I may have placed it in the wrong area. This seems to be a lot more focused on the pendulum and such so I thought I would cut and paste my introduction and notes on the experiences I've had with the pendulum here. I just want to make sure as many people looking for answers will see it and maybe get a spark of excitement or passion for learning. I wish nothing more than to be of service to others and I hope my little part in this wonderful discussion helps at least one person in this wonderful journey called life. Please take a look, it's a bit long but worth the read. Thank you in advance!  

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Greetings Daniel,

Welcome to the Astral Pulse forums[]

Best regards,

Dave

Hi Hypnotist,

If you are referring to the MysticWeb class, you can find the entire course in the files section of this site.

Take care,

Dave

Hi Nick,

Tomorrow is the start of a new week and a change of attitude on my behalf towards AP. You are absolutely correct about the morning sessions. I allready have about an hours training to do each morning which was putting me off the idea of trying to project in the mornings. Over the past couple of weeks I have been letting things get on top of me which meant I was not even doing my morning excersises so I had to take a step back and re-focus. Now with renewed determination I will make every effort to succeed in projection, which means trying in the morning times aswell as at night.

Please do keep me posted on how your morning sessions work out for you and in return I shall do the same.[]

Take care and wishing you success,

Dave

Dear Ginny,

Thank you for your words of encouragement. They are very much appreciated! []

All the best,

Dave

I had been wondering when this topic was going to be addressed. Material discussion is often avoided like the plague by people who walk a spiritual path because they all too often, in spite of themselves, have a high value on money and possesions.

It's a tricky subject and one which I have battled with for quite some time now. I finally convinced myself that financial independance is a worthwhile goal.

How do I justify saying that you might ask? Well, I believe we are all entitled to a life of abundance. Abundance does not mean riches. It means to have all of the things in life that we need to have. Food, clothing, a home, health, security, happiness. I would love to live (and have often dreamed of living) in a society where man and woman build their own homes, grow their own food, and raise their own horses for transport. Or the modern day equivalent to this. A nice picture of a future of cyclic living is painted in the "Celestine Prophecies". I refer to that book only because many of you may have read it. Now you and I both now that this is unlikely to transpire without a massive shift in human conciousness, which may or may not happen in the coming years. But thats a different discussion alltogether.

We are all Spirit. As Spirit are we supposed to be spending 40 plus years of our life working five to six days a week, at eight to ten hours a day? I dont believe so. We have much growth to accomplish whilst we occupy our physical bodies and time is our most precious resource while we are here. Financial independance equals material freedom. Freedom from the pursuit of money to pay the bills and keep the creditors from knocking at the door. When one has attained financial independance he/she has opened the door of opportunity for a lifetime of spiritual growth without the interruptions of the material world. Jim Rohn, the popular business philosopher puts it like this ; "Once you get money out of the way, it's amazing the other aspects of your life you can work on".

As with all things in life, balance must be maintained when looking at the monetary system and spirituality. We are mind, body and spirit and none of these can be neglected for another. We also have families who cannot be neglected in the pursuit of freedom from financial worry. Dropping five or six aspects of your life to follow one just wont work. The same can be said with any aspect of your life. If you were to refuse to recognise anything in your life bar spiritual growth you would end up living on the streets, alienated from friends and family, in a state of constant illness. I do see financial independance as a worthwhile goal but not at the expense of the rest of your life.

How is it possible to be financially independant without devoting yourself to the pursuit of money one might wonder? It's not really all that difficult. The biggest obstacle to success in this field (as in all others) is ourselves. If you are open to accept a life of abundance and believe it is ok for you to be financially independant, then half the battle is won. Ask the universe to provide for you and be willing to recieve it and you shall. Books on creative visualisation abound. You will always find what you are looking for if it's what you really want/need.

My problem since I took my first step towards spiritual growth was that I did not believe it was ok to have money. For almost a year I worked only when I was flat broke and had outgoings that could not be put off any longer. It took a change in attitude and a willingness to accept an abundant life for me to move on. I now have a goal ( and a means) to get myself into a position in the next two to three years where I will have a home and money to start and raise a family and educate them. I will not need to be a father who never sees his children because he spends all day and night working to make ends meet. I want to be able to spend all day every day with my family and with myself, on the path to enlightenment. Is this selfish or materialistic of me?

I realise that posting such opinions here may leave me open to a torrent of abuse. I care not. I have struggled with this topic within my being for a long time and I am happy to finally put it to bed. Posting this here affirms this for me.

Before I finish I would like to share a simple philosophy with you.
Its called AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. I use it to answer a lot of my questions.

Q;How much should you earn??
A; AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you share??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you learn??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you teach??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you grow??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you help others??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Q: How much should you love??
A: AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

You get the idea...

With best regards,

Dave

I must admit, I was thoroughly surprised at how much I enjoyed reading JOB (still reading it actually)

Certainly not what I expected it is a very entertaining read, and I'm looking forward to reading his next two books.

Take care,

Dave