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I tried a million of different binaural beats, they dont work for me.
You have to be able to deep relax (and stay conscious), then they can aid you...but not for
obe loosers like me :-/

Im having the goal to have an obe. Does that count? hehe
Or would it be generally easier to get an obe if you have a goal?

I have so many goals, but id like to first validate that it works hehe

I believe there only requites a strong will or intent to do something.

haha if that would be the case, id be able to project since a year or so

[then]

This is silly anyway. To be able to project to someones house and prove something, u have to have a very
strong emotional connection to it, and even then you have to prepare every day for weeks to achieve that
goal and even then its not said that it would work. Our higher selfs are watching over us, and even then
when we most want to validate something, the chances seem to shrink. Why? I dont know.

Thanks T.L., ill practice that.

Weird thing is, that when something
works it feels like i knew it anyway and just remembered how it works.

One thing that seems to work for me, is just laying down on my back,
with my hands beside my body and dont move at all. After a while i feel a
terrible twitch...after a while the twitch comes again and if i didnt moved until
that point, i feel the sleep paralysis creeping up my body. That works everytime
(if im patient enough), the problem with that is, that every reaction stops
the paralysis...so too much thinking, breathing or excitement destroys it, but
its damn hard not to get excited hehe.

Doesnt matter anyway, im sure some day ill make it...its just a matter of time.
Even if it needs 20 years...

I dont think that we create us one another...so no, not "everything" is created by the mind :p

How can you fall asleep with your eyes open?!   

Thanks, ill try that.

My problem is that i cant focus for too long, at certain
points my mind just starts to wander around and the problem with that is,
i dont even notice it at first.

Edit: just fell asleep as alwys hehe
Where should i go with my concentration while breathing in
and should the exhale last longer then the inhale?

Found this through google, although i think its all in your mind

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread459789/pg1

This can only be asked from someone who never thought about total emptiness.

[any other object will do]

Would that work with a pen instead of a mobile phone ?
I don't use my mobile phone that much, but most of the day I hold a pen (Tablet instead of mouse) in my hand.

It is best to imagine a cell phone is in the hand because the modern person is quite accustomed to this sensation, although any other object will do.

Edit: tried it immeditaely after waking up in the night, did not have an effect on me.

Steel Hawk: its a bit hard to understand exactly what you mean,
because english is not my mature language. But i dont believe in any "God",
so my theory would be different anyway


Hm ok thats a point with eating not too late, T.L. (btw, i was great at imaging
things when i was a child, but thats gone now...weird :-/)

Im not sure sometimes if a "higher thing" or someone is joking with me or if it
is all me. When i first heard about AP, i tried and tried and after 2 weeks i woke
up in the night where i dreamed right before, that i was sitting on a truck and thinking
"ok lets make contact" - thats where i woke up in heavy vibrations, just like if someone
wanted to show me how it works. I never had any mentionable AP experience since then.

Is it a "higher someone" that helps or prevents us, is it ourself as our higherself or is it
just what we believe we can do and what we do, that takes us into the astral.

Frustrating, somehow...hehe

Tried it, no success as always. Im not focused enuff i think.

 

Weeee...ok so it doesnt seem to be a bigger prob for ap.
Hm its still a mystery. It doesnt seem to depend on anything
other than your ability to relax and imagine.

It doesnt matter if youre a good or bad person, if you eat animals or not, if you
believe in it, if you do meditation or not...i think thats one more key
to the secret of life. Everything we are and we (can) do is what we believe.
Our personal limits...

...alimentation and ap?
I´ve read that eating animals is bad for ap?!

...computer and chi?
I got the feeling that computers suck out my energy.
When i dont touch my pc for a few days, my sexual energy raises
significant...weird.

he i cant let go either.

youll go on when youre ready for it, sooner or later.

atb,
pan

Let me guide you my friend.
First go to poject-meditation (google it, im
not sure if im allowed to post links here)
and buy there Lifefliw 10. Listen to it every day
for as long as it feels good (a session lasts normaly 40mins).

If you have no results after 1 month (in fact, most
people benefit from their first session) dont ever listen to me again
If you cant afford it, pm me. Add /community to the project meditation url
to visit their forums where you can get alot of useful information
as long with success stories from people who use it (incl myself).

When you feel balanced enough, you can go on to
ap if youre still interested.

Atb,
Pan

Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools.

Napoleon Bonaparte

At least it is impossible for you and for me. Is that enuff information?

Have to try the OBE yet. Who would be silly enuff to pay a company who stole
a product and sells it then? lol
Anyway, most of the doses work, as far as i have read about experiences.

?!

Its just binaural beats. I use them every day for my meditating sessions since about 8 months.
Nothing to worry about, it just helps slipping into different awareness states.

Anyone tried it or uses it?

I tried "Astral" last night and i had a lot of vibrations (which i normaly
not have when trying) and a few times i felt like upfloating. This showed
me that it works, it just depends on how much one can relax.
Theres also one dose called "OBE", didnt tried it yet.

Hehe, it seems in our nature that we always want to get more/further. Id be happy
if id get out someday, the next step would be to get out frequently and after that... dmt?

A trip that lasts several hours shouldnt be made alone, and also not with some self-brewed cocktail,
so i can understand your decision.
If i would be interested in dmt, id just get it and try it. Its not such a big deal where i live
(austria, europe). Chances to get cought are very small and even then id not go to jail for only self usage.
However, im afraid of drugs in some way. I took lsd and dope when i was younger and had some very healthy
problems with stretched dope. Still it sounds fascinating when reading about dmt experiences, im still reading
the book from dr.strassmann.

Cant wait to hear if those substances which you talk about work for you guys

why dont u just smoke a pot of dmt
seems the same effect as oob, just a little more...extrem

Yeah ill give it another go. I was laying on my back, but maybe not in the right mind state.
Anyway, i have problems with "active" techniques. Or so to say, they dont work in first place for
me but indicate experiences which happens passively, like when im asleep and wake up in vibrations.