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Hi Magickist,

I just wanted to put emphasis on what CFTraveler stated above.

And this is only possible in the Void, which is a 'no-place' that is not necessarily the astral.  But that's now getting too technical, I admit.

It's theorized by many of the big names (Robert Bruce, Monroe, Buhlman) that the astral plane is just one of possibly infinite dimensions that one can experience. I would not be focusing exclusively on just astral but instead I would be more curious about the possibility of the seemingly endless number of over "planes" that appear to all have their own set of rules and physics.

My statements unfortunately are based upon the 1000s of pages I have read on the subject as I have only had less then 20 projection experiences myself.

Best Regards

David

Hi Plasma,

I have used many binaural beat tracks for AP and basically what they do is help to put your brainwaves into a certain state that's ideal an OBE. For example there is a brain-sync track I use that puts me deep into a state of relaxation which is the first step to having an OBE. Once the state of relaxation is achieved you will be required to use a technique to complete the process.

What they don't do is magically cause projection.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards

David

There's nothing to fear but fear itself.

I think you mean a false awakening. When you are dreaming and then think that you have awakened only to find out that you are still dreaming. That's an interesting phenomena however it's not necessarily an OBE or what I would suggest you strive for.

Here's an interesting series of false awakenings that I experienced once upon a time when i was still able to have OBEs. I will be glad when my dry spell is over.

http://www.malleablelight.net/2009/03/false-awakenings.html

Magickist, have you met God or is it just your belief that a God exists? Even if you did meet an entity that proclaimed to be God, how would you go about proving such a thing.

BTW, I am God, nice to meet you.

To expand on what Envix said, if you get to sleep paralysis the next step will be to stay calm and will yourself into your real time or astral body or beyond. Most people tend to panic or sense an evil presence and try to wake up. Remember what your goal is.

Go ahead Stookie, post one more reply. I know you want that 2000 post milestone.

So this confirms for me "at the moment" that what I was thinking is true. A big percentage of AP happens outside of the real timezone and it's very hard to consistently get out of body in the first place.

I would like to have more control over the experience but it seems that I must have more experience to gain control. Astral Dynamics is very good so far and I like what I am reading. I think I might be able to build up to a decent success rate over time by learning Bruce's system and building on it, but only time and practice will tell.

I tend to agree with Panthau, I think intention has a huge effect over the outcome and when you have millions of people believing you will fail it will prob happen.

Hello All,

I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to astral projection however I have have had several projections per the very vague defnition. I am still working on validations and have yet to validate the experience in a way that would connect what I experience to the waking (objective) world that we all experience.

I was talking to my borther in law today and he was telling me about the "One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge" by James Randi and it seems odd that out of all of the people who claim to have validated astral projection and remote viewing, nobody has claimed the one million dollars. I would expect that Robert Bruce or one of the big names would have already raked in the cash however according to the website:

All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

This leads me to believe that astral projection is not reproducable in a consistent and systematic manner and is rarely taking place in the real timezone.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Any thoughts?

Has the price of this product gone up or something or am I just making tons of money these days? I think I paid 50 bucks for 101 and 102 combined.

Why not just pay for it? Paying for it emphasizes what society values. This helps to perpetuate Astral Projection and over time will fund serious research into the subject.

We buy genetically modified, sodium nitrate poisoned and chemically altered foods that make criminals that own the companies filthy rich while killing us. Then at the same time we don't want to spend a measly 50 bucks on a great product from a guy that poured his heart and soul into helping us. Seems like we have our priorities mixed up.

Stealing products such as this does our entire community a huge disservice.

zorgblar

I promise to stop trying to jump into people's bodies. I just can't resist sometimes.

Hi eahudimac,

Welcome to the forum and to AP.

I am 5 months new to AP and have dealt with the exact same things that you are dealing with now. Several of my OBEs and been achieved by becoming lucid in a dream and then what is perceived as returning to the body to project out. I also have frequent interruptions which include my wife and my 3 year old daughter who likes to crawl into my bed and kick me at night.

I suspect the what is happening with dream to OBE is that your astral body is already projected and your physical body is sound asleep and in the subconscious. The physical body suddenly awakes after you become lucid and you find yourself in a higher vibrational state. I think the next step would have been to reel the astral body back in and then project back out or possibly just jump right into your astral body where ever it is. Either way it's confusing and you may not have memory of how the astral body got to where it is I am still trying to make sense of it all myself.

I am not sure what to tell you about the moving around that's breaking your concentration. I can certainly relate and just suggest that you continue trying no mater what and as time goes on (years possibly) things will change and you will find the quiet needed for projection.

Good luck and stick around here, I am interested to here your progress. 

I think that is possible if that is what your desire is, however it seems that physical pregnancy is a physical thing so why would you want this?

Shrooms to stalk to gods and demons? all you'd be doing is hallucinating them.

You may want to look up the word hallucination. Science only vaguely describes or understands what a hallucination actually is. Perhaps hallucination is just another word for AP.

Lighten,

You got it! My point above was exactly that, we are all just a localized part of "God". I prefer to use the word universe though in place of "God". Perhaps next month the word "universe" will have worn out it's welcome too.

I often think (partly influenced by things I have read) that we live many lives on earth for the specific purpose of bringing back unique experience to our high selves which is our true identity "God".

A good analogy would be the human brain which sits up in your head thinking and wondering about stuff like the new Star Trek movie for example. The brain is curious about what it would be like to experience the movie so it then uses the human eyes to see the movie. The eyes and not part of the brain, however they are connected to the brain and bring the experience back to the brain. The eyes and the brain are however part of the same overall life force. Being "God" is similar. "God" wants to experience what it's like to be human and uses humans like their eyes to see into humanity. The same goes for whatever else "God" wants to experience. We are all "God" in my opinion so therefore it is possible to be omniscience because we already are and have just forgotten.

Like I hinted at above, these statements are derived from experience, books and logic and may or may not be true.

I may have some advice to offer here, but don't quote me or consider this to be the "gospel".

I started experimenting with AP about 4 - 5 months ago from scratch, having never attempted to consciously induce an OBE in the past that I can remember. I seem to be natural and had several OBEs in the first 2 weeks of trying and continued to have them for the next month. Then I had the two lower wisdom teeth cut out of my head and began taking heavy narcotics for 3 weeks and the OBEs stopped completely along with all dreams.

I have not tried alcohol and AP together but I would imagine that it would hinder your progress and success just like the drugs, unless of course you are taking LSD. I think LSD might help. Ever heard of Alex Grey? Seems that LSD helped him tremendously.

My observation suggests that OBEs, meditation, remote viewing, etc all rely on ones ability to control awareness. Drugs and alcohol have always diminished my awareness in the past. This is why it's against the law to drive while intoxicated, because people lose awareness and crash into and kill people, which is very much objective reality.

Good luck on your journey.

Best regards

David

Very good point dbmathis, I think about that sometimes, then I tend to forget. We end up asking questions like 'do you think I can do this or that?' When put like that though, we can do anything if we are everything.
We have to forgive ourselves though it's our conditioning that makes us think we have limitations.

We're FREE beings in every sense of the word. Even if the word is physical-oriented lol

It took me many years to come to grips with this and accept it. It meant throwing out old belief systems that I was conditioned to believe in from birth and start over. I am much happier today than I used to be and feel as though I have been liberated. That's why I am on here posting every day, I want to help people (including myself) better understand the universe around us. 

According to all of the leading experts on AP, Buddhism, etc we are all connected and have access to all knowledge. This is a belief system and if you chose to accept it then yes it's possible.

Personally I believe it's possible as evidence suggests. I seems that a huge percentage of humans have a twisted view of reality in that perceive that they are a separate being observing the universe around them when in reality they are the universe experiencing humanity in a very localized manner.

Think about it.
 

And how do you keep your mind awake while your body is asleep?

It takes practice / meditation. In short, you keep your focus on something while drifting off to sleep while keeping your body completely still. When you do this just right you will have the feeling as though a lead blanket has been laid over your body and you will be unable to move. This is because your body is sound asleep while your mind is still awake. This is what people on the forum call the trance state.

While in the trance state or (focus 10 / mind awake body asleep) you will be able to shift your awareness to an out of body state and leave your body. This can be done by simply getting out of bed in your astral body or you can sometimes feel yourself floating up and out of your body.

My favorite exit technique is to just roll over and out of my body and I usually find myself standing next to my bed / sleeping body.

You know, I have never heard about this happening in the present time but Monroe mentions in his 2nd and 3rd book of future and past human races that exist on planet earth that create food this way.

I have no way of validating this but it seems reasonable.

Hi Astr0Man,

Welcome to the forum.

Do you have any other symptoms like being unable to move? Also, do the vibrations wake you up or is it something else?

Usually vibrations and other symptoms such as sleep paralysis indicate that your body is falling asleep while your mind stays alert. It seems like in your case you are waking up midway though the transition into this state of mind awake body asleep which is sometime called "Focus 10" by the Robert Monroe followers.

I suggest that when this happens again, try to relax more "without falling asleep" and then mentally move the vibrations up into your body and into your head. When they pass and you are laying there, try an exit technique. You can Google for "astral exit techniques" and should find many hits.

Keep us posted of you progress.

Best Regards

David

[Lt. Cmdr. Data states:]

Panthau,

I think that the dream actually did have some meaning. It seems to me that your body and soul are doing some sort of rewiring in preparation for your first OBE. My suggestion is that you do not give up.

I have said this to several people now who have told me that they are giving up so think about this one thing. You are going to sleep every day/night anyway, right? You are going to end up thinking about astral projection all the time, and in the long run always wonder about it. I have no idea how old you are, but you have the rest of your life to accomplish this goal and you have not lost anything by trying. Don't get frustrated by no success, just add attempts into you daily routine like you would brushing your teeth and eventually you will be surprised one day when it happens.

There is a favorite TNG episode of mine and a quote stands out:

Lt. Cmdr. Data states:

I have asked myself that many times, as I have struggled to be more human. Until I realized it is the struggle itself that is most important. We must strive to be more than we are, Lal. It does not matter that we will never reach our ultimate goal. The effort yields its own rewards.

You have nothing to lose by trying and everything to lose by not trying.

Let me know if you need any support, I am here.

Best regards

David

newmethod, exactly!

I have been reading about this and it seems that when we project both the physical consciousness and any other consciousness has totally independent train of thought upon going "OB". It's not that the other consciousness has left us behind and is not letting us have the experience. We are very much all of the consciousnesses at the same time. The problem "Robert Bruce" says is that the physical side is stronger either emotionally or for some other reason and the stronger more closer to the physical brain consciousness seems to get first dibs of physical brain memory. This means that the astral experience gets pushed out of the way and down into the subconscious most of the time to make room for the physical experience.

I need to read on in Astral Dynamics because because am sure he will share some tricks for working around this mind-split memory problem.

Thanks for sharing newmethod, that kinda of cool.

There are more than just your PB and AB at play here. When you project you have you PB, your subtle body (chakra center), your real time body (body that exists in the plane closest to physical) and then your astral body (next plane up). Then you may have even more bodies above the astral body. It could very well be that you were out exploring in your real time body or you astral body and that you were also awake in your subtle body. When your astral body or real time body returned you failed to remember any of the events that took place in your OBE because you failed to download them your real time or astral memories. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you only have a PB and AB only.

Do you look at the clock when you project. If there is missing time then that would be a strong indicator.

Just a theory, don't take this as the gospel..

That's what i'm saying, I think you can forget coming back. Because up until the point that you are back your astral mind is completely separate from the physical mind and if you fail to download the info then it basically never happened.