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quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin


Do you think this is a way that extraterrestrials would try to contact someone, through visions like these? Read the first book of the Ender's Game series (hence my callsign) and you will understand what I mean.

These visions often bring great happiness and understanding to me. They rebalance my energies. What part do they play in the Great Plan? Can you elaborate for me? I would much appreciate it. I believe a good race is contacting me. I do not know what race, but I need to know how to send a response back to them.

I cannot account for another's visions and don't want to try.  It requires a lot of effort (i.e. beyond a few posts) to attempt to interpret someone else's dreams, visions, etc...  Inacurracy would do one a disservice.  The truth is, we are supposed to be able to make sense of our own experiences.  We all have visions (i.e. dreams; state of consciousness)!  The key is to be able to apply the correct meanings to what is presented.  Typically, one's vision(s) only contains relevance to one's self.  Having a vision does not make one a saint or elevate one's spiritual development.  In fact, sometimes one is receiving a warning that goes uncomprehended.  (e.g. Watch out for the hole!  What?  Watch out for the....)  Great revelations are typically NOT made to those who cannot make light of them.  What would be the sense?

The common denominator in all of the dreams, visions, etc... that have been presented to me (i.e. not necessarily on this site) is: someone is having a divine revelation and now they know it all...if they could just interpret it correctly!  Now, what's wrong with this picture?  The plan is: human evolution.  If one takes their own spiritual development to heart and pursues it in earnst, then, THIS activity itself IS part of the divine plan (i.e. individual response to the collective effort).

I believe that the integrital way to handle one's own vision, dream, and/or supernatural occurance is to pursue a level of understanding that will make one self-sufficient in these regards.  In today's world, we have a thought and want to publish it right away.  The Gnostics, who studdied esoteric truths, were prepared for 2 years BEFORE they were taught anything!  Receiving a presentation of truth(s) can be destructive if the level of required understanding does not commensurate.

All of your dreams come from you.  You alone, can make sense of them.  However, if one does not possess the tools to do so, the meaning(s) will be lost.

If you (as a higher intelligence) were going to communicate with a human being in this world, would you simply pick anyone or would you seek out one who is most capable of understanding what is to be communicated?  (Please bear in mind that there are those who can go to the spiritual world at will, as opposed to having a passive experience.)  Why try to communicate to someone who doesn't know the language?  Why not find someone who does?  After all, the assumption is: we are be contacted by higher intelligence.

All of the great leaders of humanity knew the language.

FYI: most good texts that cover dreams, etc... reccommend that one keep a journal.

Although this is not a specific answer to your question, it is an answer to all your questions (pertaining to the understanding of dreams, etc...).  Chances are, one will NOT get a good transcription from one who did not actually have the dream.  

Is one worthy to have a vision associated with great truths if one will not even attempt to possess the tools (i.e. of understanding) to make use of it?

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings James,

quote:Originally posted by James S
Hang on, I might be reading this wrong, but if not, isn't this EXACTLY what Jesus did? Jesus taught about the mysteries of a spiritual existence, but he did so using materialistic metaphores and parables so that the average person could understand what it was he was trying to say. There are a great many people who have had the wisdom and insight of God's spiritual ways revealed to them through the words of the Bible alone. Don't assume that God can't use this medium to reach people. For someone who has little knowledge of spiritual matters, which unfortunately is most people, esoteric christianity would be totally lost on them.

I think this is true to a point, but religions have taken it "too" literally. There are two problems:

1) Conveying Spiritual truths in terms the average person of the era could understand.

2) All of these writings have been translated from Ancient Hebrew.

With regards to 1) - clearly these truths could not be taught in absolute terms, because they would have been way over the heads of the average person. But I believe what Jesus did was to note those who understood and pursued an interest in his teachings, and brought them into an inner initiatic environment where they could progress, e.g. as with the Essenes. It might well have been that this was his primary objective - i.e discovering and training the Spritual teachers of the future. The disciples, like Jesus himself, were likely already initiates of varying degree, hence the "miracles" they could perform. If this was the case, then clearly his parables etc. became very well known, and the basis for christianty and which eventually became the prevalent creed over the efforts of those who had the task of teaching Spiritual realities who were suppressed.

As for 2) - I believe much meaning was lost or diluted in the translation from Ancient Hebrew to Greek and then other languages. For example Jesus first real name was not Jesus - it was Joshua. But consider the difficutlies of translating such concepts to English from Ancient Hebrew via Greek! This and the fact that it was not until several hundred years later the bible was selectively compiled and censored at the same time. Accordingly much of the emotion and sincerity was also lost. For example the "lords prayer" - rather than a stark, formal "Our Father...." it would more appropriately have been a much less formal, affectionate and loving, literally translated "Dear Papa..." - accompanied by the feeling of a parent/child relationship which it truly is, rather than a subject/deity relationship which it has become.

The bible is unquestionably full of wisdom to the ears that can listen, but the main problem is that the church have chosen to interpret it materially, and in such as way as the clergy can control the congregation and render them "god fearing people" - the dropping of reincarnation in favour of "hell" and the "devil" is one such example. The problem is that people look up to the religious leaders for guidance and truth, and it seems that they have been at best let down, and at worst betrayed.

With best regards,
Adrian.

HEYYYYY!  I was gonna write that...just joking.  (It's not who wrote it, but just that someone did)  Your clarifications are pristene and even more revealing on this topic.  I loved reading this reply.  Thank you, Adrian!  All the best!!

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

I need to take a speed-reading course with all these long posts! There is so much valuable information here! I was thinking about what Djm said the other day about not materializing that which is spirit. I realize now that the best path for me is the path of simplicity. Mankind has a distinct communication problem in general. I say this because I often see someone make a point about something and then someone else says something and they completely misunderstand because they don't realize that what the other person said is exactly the point they were trying to make only with more hidden meaning. arghh, this sentence just confused me... I can't think of a better way to state it though. oh well, I'm sure someone will understand sometime. Anyway, that's why I go back and read posts that may not have had recent replies. That way I get to read them in different states of mind and uncover multiple meanings. I know this has nothing to do with what we're talking about in this post but in my own little world I can relate it. En terra pax.

Dude- you're awesome!  You are filled with interest, amazement, and wonder, which is a requirement for learning.  My posts are filled with esoteric information that will become more apparent to the reader upon reflection- on purpose!  You ask excellent questions and are already on the path that you're looking for.  I love reading your questions and replies.  

All the best!

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot



i apologize for upsetting you earlier with my previous posts, since you didn't post where you were getting your information from i assumed that you were another type of person who was using religious-based dogma to pervert how people understood the Word of God. sorry, and thank you for letting me know where you were getting your info from.

also, i think it was in the other topic that you asked how i could have visions without understanding, and understanding without visions? or something like that.

i gotta go now, have class. oh well [|)]

~kakkarot

No problems; only solutions.  When one wins, we all win (i.e. like Christ Jesus).  We are all trying to understand that which is Spirit and that which is Truth.  The fact that we all come to this site to learn more is a tribute to our own development AND to mankind itself.

We are all at different levels of development.  Most of the readers who arrive at sites like Astral Pulse are ahead of the game just because they are INTERESTED in learning more.  Kudos!

The period in which we are currently in is one in which more and more Spiritual information will be revealed.  It is not the who that matters, but the what.  More specifically, it is not that "DjM" reveals, but that it was revealed.

Have fun in class!  I have no class- just joking!

Perhaps we should have a HOCKEY section on this site- then you and I could go at it! (laughs)  FYI: I AM a huge hockey fan; noticed you are from Canada.

[certain types]

Music is actually very closely associated with the astral body iteself.  In fact, the physical bone structure of a human being is musically constructed (profound; don't wanna get off-topic) in a musical manner.

Many researchers have worked with the theory of music in conjunction with living beings (i.e. not just humans).  The discoveries are quite revealing!  More specifically, it was found that plants would thrive when they grew in an environment that contained certain types of music.  The plants that were placed with clasical and jazzmusic thrived; plants that were removed from music simply grew; plants that were placed with rock, punk, and alternative music wilted.  This is a scientific fact!

There is a reason why classical music affected the plants as they did and it id directly related to a knowledge of the Harmony of the Spheres.  More precisely, classical music contains specific melodies that incorporate an understanding of the planets!  The creators of classical music understood the mysteries.

Have you tried listening to classical music (backround)?

I AM a musician and play many musical instruments (i.e. languages).  I certainly appreciate your dillema.

Music itself does not require lyrics; the melodies should speak to us...like the sounds of nature itself.  Part of spiritual development is being open to new things.  Try it!  Download some classical music and leave it in the backround.  You won't have the lyrics to distract you and the melodies will permeate your being just the same.

Here's a great site to acquire some classical music cheap ($25/year; MIDI and audio files):  http://www.classicalarchives.com/midi.html

I didn't always listen to classical, but realized that the course of my develpment must not be diminished by preferences.  I have found that I can leave classical (and some jazz) music on in the backround without disrupting my concentraion.  I was unable to avoid being disrupted by the music that I might typically listen to (i.e. blues; rock).

All the best!

The revelations that are being (and will be) made to mankind will require a higher level of understanding...enter esoteric truths.  The parables themselves contain very hidden meanings that allude the masses.  Having a childlike innocense is a virtue, however, having a childlike understanding is not.  Higher consciousness requires a higher level of understanding.  Many people, even after many lifetimes, will not progress unless they increase their understanding (i.e. knowledge and wisdom).

Personally, I don't believe that we're all looking at the same object.  In fact, the masses aren't even looking (i.e. interested).  Most would exclaim, "I moving forward."  (as opposed to UPWARD)

Anyone who is Christian and is on this site MUST recognize that by their by-the-book approach- they shouldn't be here at all!  As for the rest of us, we'd be burned at the stake...shame and a sin.

My posts have been aimed at an understanding that DOES NOT eliminate the Christ-impulse, but ILLUMINATES it.  In addition, it has been my hope to provide (at least) some understanding in regards to two specific truths which are essential for the current and future epochs of mankind: The Mystery of Golgotha and reincarnation.  Obviously, there is much more to contribute, but, perhaps, I should stick to the fun stuff?

All the best!

quote:Originally posted by cainam_nazier

And just tyo throw in some humor.

DMJ, "Only a fool would claim to know it all."

Well, I am a fool and know it. So does that mean I know it all?

David,

I believe in the context in which you chose, it means that you have a big heart and see humor as a harmonizing force...which is cool!  Right on!!

All the best!

P.S. THIS is not here...

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

you never said anything about visions in this topic (nor the others that i read). that is what i was asking for. where it came from.

as for my visions, i did not trust them blindly, nor do i trust my memories of them blindly. after all, even demons can inspire one to see something.

"Who is anyone to expect that the greatest truths in the cosmos be made simple". i didn't say the bible encased the "truths of the cosmos". i said the bible was the book that christianity was based off of. the bible was never meant to encase the truths of the "cosmos", each book was written for the reason that it says in it (except for matthew mark luke and john, which don't say why they were written. they were written as historical documents by people who witnessed and shared in jesus' life). PLUS, christianity has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUTHS OF THE COSMOS. christianity is God's way of being able to establish a personal relationship of love, and faith with each individual.

i am glad that you are getting understanding of such great things, but it seems that you have somewhat misconstrued why they were being given to you, or what they were really about.

as to that "materializing the spiritual" stuff, i'm not. you are reading my posts wrong, reading into them, it seems, the reaction you would be expecting someone with a negative mindset to have.

~kakkarot

I don't mind trading my opinions for your sentiments, but in this case...you're just being obstinate because you disagree with me.  You are mis-communicating terribly about matters that deserve more thought and reflection.

I made some posts; you replied that I am flat-out wrong.  All you can contribute is strong negative sentiments.  This is a very weak position to work from.  In fact, it's unsatisfactory.

In your other post, you claim to have visions without wisdom and understanding.  Now, you are saying, that you don't just trust them blindly.  This is a blatent contradiction!  Without wisdom, one is flying blindly whether in a vision or not...

How can anyone not read your posts incorrectly- they are stated as such!  If one wishes to be understood correctly, one must make the effort(s) to communicate correctly.

Confrontation does not exist withour participation.  May you have wonderful thoughts of to do.

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
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I had five actual visions in my life. none of them had to do with learning or understanding.

the understanding and wisdom that i gained
~kakkarot

Once again, inconsistency is the root of confusion.  It is stated that none of your "visions" had anything to do with learning or understanding...then you skip to understanding and wisdom.  One should express oneself clearly and correctly on these matters (i.e. reverence)!  One can only gain insights through "visions".  Knowledge and wisdom must be earned- that's the whole point of development.

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
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Don't look down on me as though I were some sort of simple fool.
~kakkarot

It would be my folly to look down on anyone.  I am nothing without the least amongst us (including ALL living beings)...simply put.  

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
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You are still a few steps below me in the understanding of all that is. I hope for your sake that the rest is revealed to you, for what you know now is merely parts and pieces of the entire matter.
~kakkarot

When one releases judgement of another, they really release judgement of themsleves.  All I know is what I don't know.  Only a fool would claim to know it all.

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot
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You may think that it is the complete picture, but i gaurantee, after having read your posts, that you still have a few steps to walk up just to get near to where i have gotten.
~kakkarot

I don't posses the intellectuall capacity to condense thousands of hours of work, study, meditation into a few posts.  However, I can set the table for one who seeks the truth...the details are up to them.  I am very aware of the number of steps that are required and the level(s) of development associated with them.  Pertaining to development, the rule is: Know thyself.  (not they neighbor)

[Since 1413 we have been in the 5th post-Atlantean period. This period will last 2,160 years and will end in the year 3573.]

quote:Originally posted by Violet


I think the change will be in consciousness.  My feeling is that mankind will be forced to realize that thoughts are things. As people start picking up more and more on others thoughts and feelings it will be those that have learned self mastery, humility, self respect and respect for others that will be well liked.  People will become more and more aware of the subtle ways in which they are being controlled by others (the insincerity of some people) and many will start breaking free of these bonds.  A very positive look at the future...yes.  However, for others it will not be so positive.  Those that insist on controlling and manipulating and those that decide to stay in a victum role will not only experience this negative environment more intensely but they well even 'see' to their horror the product of this type of thought pattern, more intensely.  

Change will be the only constant but will ensure that people undergo some of the greatest spiritual growths ever.  Even right now our parents wonder how we handle such constant and relentless change in technology and learning....we will wonder the same of our children.  It will only get more not less.  The great thing about constant change is that it provides that little extra something that brings things to the surface so we can not hide them from others or much more importantly we can not hide them from ourselves. External change forces internal change.

Love and Light to the One and All,
Violet

Violet,

Esoteric studies and spiritual research support your claims.  

Most likely, people will misinterpret the events that lead to these changes as they did around the year 1000.  More specifically, they will attempt to match spiritual signs with material objects.  Most of the time, this promotes misunderstanding(s).

Since 1413 we have been in the 5th post-Atlantean period.  This period will last 2,160 years and will end in the year 3573.  Hence we are really at the beginnning of our period, and in its course a great deal will happen through the development of spiritual science.  All this, however, can only reveal itself gradually, step by step.

[We are NOT to materialize that which is SPIRIT- period!]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

where did you get all this from? none of this is in the bible and you have both contradicted the bible and read into it that which isn't there.

Christianity today is based solely on the bible because there is no other reliable documentation of Jesus life and teachings, so how can you possibly say all that you have with reliability?

~kakkarot

We are NOT to materialize that which is SPIRIT- period!  Herein lies the source of ALL misunderstandings that have confused and set us apart.  A materialist wants to see the physical proof- where; who; etc...  If one is translating a spiritual book with materialistic understading (i.e. reading it like a novel), one will only fall into folly.  This is truth.

Obviously, you are misunderstood.  There have always been two schools of Christian thought- the regular teachings for the general public and the esoteric teachings which were experienced (i.e. just like the disciples themselves!) by the student.  This is a historical fact.

I believe what I know.  If I don't know anything; I don't believe anything.  This is truth.

How convenient it is to read a spiritual book; adapt it to material understanding; expecting that the greatest truths in the cosmos will passively come to us...almost childish!

Who is anyone to expect that the greatest truths in the cosmos be made simple?

Spiritual truth will not passively come to one through materialistic understandings.  One will only materialize that which is spirit.  One must see through spiritual eyes and hear with spiritual ears.

Your sentiments are materialistically biased.  My opinions are spiritually grounded.  FYI: we must approach everything in an unbiased way, else we will be held back (by ourselves).

I appreciate your devotion- truly a virtue!  However, you claim that I have read into something which isn't there.  I am certain that you are pointing at my PHYSICAL eyes.  Ergo, you are materializing that which is spirit.  It's all there- right in front of your SPIRITUAL eyes!  You don't really expect to see Christ with your physical eyes do you?  Surely you are aware that Moses, John the Baptist, and the disciples were initiates of varying degrees?  How do you think they were able to make sense of their own visions?

In one post, you claim to have an occult (i.e. beyond the 5 senses) vision; in the next post you demand physical proof of another's.  Inconsistency is the root of confusion...

quote:Originally posted by Nerezza

I think DJM is coming from a gnostic/rosicrucian viewpoint. It's been awhile since I read gnostic views so im not sure if thats where "higher mysteries" or "mystery of golgatha" come from.

Nerezza,

I certainly appreciate your clarification.  Thank you!

You are right on!  However, pertaining to Rosicrucianism- Yes, I belong to the Order.  I just recently joined.  The order is non-denominational, so it would be inconsistent to point in that direction as a source of my postings.  In addition, we don't divulge that which must be earned in the sense of worthiness (i.e. degrees)- that stuff stays inside as matter of integrity.

Truth be know...the true meanings of Christianity are gradually becoming known to mankind, as these were hidden from us for specific reasons.

I AM trying to let people know that they don't have to throw everything that they might know out the door- just learn the greater meanings thereof...this is the way.

All the best!

[Just because somebody had a vision, does not mean they understood it correctly.]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

DjM,

i have not read anything about these "higher mysteries" of which you speak, but i have had many things revealed to me in my life time which could be considered "higher mysteries".

but the greatest understanding i was given was the entire practicality of God's plan and what He is doing on Earth, and i completely fail to see how any of what you have said even comes close to being spoken for the benefit of normal people.

so my first question is, who was this written for? the normal person wouldn't even begin to comprehend any of it, and the faithful believer wouldn't care. is this then written for those who are seeking just general enlightenment, hoping to get them to understand something they hadn't before?

~kakkarot

Kakkarot-

I appreciate all questions...a wonderful opportunity to shed even more light on the world via reflection.  

Just because somebody had a vision, does not mean they understood it correctly.  This is truth.  My assumption is that you have been well schooled and often pursue such subjects as geometry (i.e. sacred geometry); astronomy/astrology; harmony of the spheres; the 7 vowels; etc...  If my assumption is incorrect, it's almost a sure bet that your interpretation of your own vision is incorrect.  It's a wonderful thing to have a vision and/or receive information intuitively.  However, it's an entirely separate matter to parse and interpret it in the light it was given with the reverence it deserves.

All those who are aware know that the bar has been raised- human beings must turn to the spiritual world with spiritual eyes and ears.  WE MUST NOT MATERIALZE THAT WHICH IS SPIRIT!!!  If a materialistic individual has a vision, the individual will explain that which is spiritual in materialistic terms and the meaning will be lost.  If we are unprepared to receive a vision, we will try to speak of it from the five physical senses and our materialistic understanding.  For example, if a child sees something, which it does not recognize, the child will attempt to explain it from its own frame of reference.  Although this explanation will be unbiased, it will also render foolishness and lack of substance.  Enter inconsistency, which is the root of confusion.   Herein lies the root of misunderstandings that have been propagated since the beginning of time.  It is simply not enough to claim a vision; one MUST bring that vision to life.

What's the sense in my postings?  "Greater love hath no man than this, to teach the Holy Law to one another, and to love each other as oneself. "  FYI: one is rewarded with knowledge and wisdom when one gives selflessly in the same direction.  This is truth.  Exchanging sentiment for opinion is a fool's game, unless, of course, the greater good can be achieved.  

All I know is what I don't know, so I will continue to learn more.  It is only in the most recent epoch that we possess the power of intellect!  It is imperative that we employ this gift (i.e. intellect) in an UPWARD direction with our gaze at the stars and the heavenly bodies above.  What a curiosity?  One can understand all that which is required to bring an increase of wealth to the physical body, but not that which brings life itself to the bodies.   Personally, I approach people unbiased and assume that they are up to the challenge of improving their current life and the ones to come.  The choice is their own, of course, as freedom is a necessary ingredient for the understanding and cultivation of love itself.

quote:Originally posted by Tom

People who know who Robert Bruce is and have read his books are more likely to recognize "The Bruce Institute" than something more general. It is Robert Bruce himself who makes his organization unique. Astral projection is available to everone, but not everyone will write books and start research institutions. It is the difference between actual and potential. Robert Bruce probably did not decide on the name just to flatter himself. There are many other people who are willing to do so, and it is more satisfying that way.

Anyone who is spiritually aware realizes that- it's not the WHO, it's the What that matters.  More precisely, it's not WHO gave that matters, but that someone gave that matters.

Obviously, these leaders (in the field) are spiritually aware!

Ergo, the reason(s) are most likely related to what Tom has posted.

The question is legit; the answer is legit.  No problems; only solutions.

All the best!

Ender,

Here is the framework for understanding the I/ego that I referred to in another post...

We are comprised of a physical body; etheric body; astral body; and I/ego.  These bodies have all undergone changes over each epoch.  This is referred to as the (spiritual) evolution of mankind.  Your astral body AND I/ego actually leave your physical and etheric bodies every night when you go to sleep, however, most of us are unconscious of this.  (Notice the term "unconscious"; It's all about different states of consciousness!)  One of the stages of inner developent is to abe able to do this consciously (i.e. astral travel).  Then you can validate for yourself!

The ego/I is being developed in this particular epoch.  ("I" can only be used to refer to one person- that's it!)  The righteousness that was imputed to us has been taken away so that we may choose of our own from will.  We are the only beings on the planet whom this can be said for!  Every plant and animal respond to nature on its terms (e.g. the flowers bloom at a certain time; the animals mate at a certain time).  The human "I" possesses free will and can choose.  The hope is that we will choose that which is righteous.  However, to accomplish this we MUST be "wise as the serpent."  Ergo, we must pursue spiritual knowledge and transform it into wisdom.  Note: freedom is a required ingredient for LOVE; that's why we are given the freedom to choose- so that we may know love.

Jesus of Nazareth worked on His inner development as an Essene since age 12.  He was the world's greatest initiate!  He was able to supress His ego in order to accomodate the Christ.  (This was necessary for the union)  Inner development requires patience.  Wisdom will provide one with the tools to succeed.  Persue knowledge/wisdom and be patient.  It is perfectly correct to be an individual, however, we should be conscious of how we effect other individuals...simple as that!

Meditation is essential.  Most people don't realize that prayer is a form of meditation.  Learn to meditate properly.

Most religions tell people that they don't have to do anything- Jesus did it ALL for them.  This is a LIE in the physical sense, which is how it is usually sent forth!  Whether or not it is used in order to deceive or out of ignorance is your call.  The TRUTH is: without the death of Christ enabling His being to be made part of the world, inner development would be impossible! (the reasons are profound) If all we had to do was "ask Jesus in our heart," He would have simply plugged that slogan- right?  Why put it in a parable?  One has to THINK about the parable (i.e. inner development).

Don't concern yourself with demons- just the positive!  Positive thoughts will encourage inner develpment- NOT groping about demons!  Effectively, one is concentrating on the demon giving it its due (i.e. attention; fear).  Have no fear!  A mind focussed on peace and love is the most powerful force in the universe.  Be that mind; be love.

Pertaining to the "no team in I" question...is referring to overcoming desires!  When we lust for things outside of ourselves, those things effectively control us.  Everything any one of us could possibly want and hope for is INSIDE- inner development will validate this for one who chooses this path.

I can only guess about the context of imaginations, so here goes...if one's immagination runs wild (i.e. crazy acting stuff; horror flics, etc...) one will only have to deal with this on another level and won't like the results.  For example, if one projects into the astral with a databse load of horrific concepts and ideas, guess what will be coming at you?  That's right- the same stuff (karma back at ya!).

Instead of trying to be a Christian, be like Christ.

The Christian initiation (i.e. John's Revelation) is accomplished in steps (i.e. the 7 seals) which are not usually accomplished in a single lifetime...I'll try to get some information posted on this.

Be wise; have no fear; enjoy life!  You are already doing the right thing by asking questions, etc...  You must go to the Spiritual world; it won't come to you!  Isn't that what you're doing on this site?  Kudos!  I wish you great success and would be happy to give you what I have.

kakkarot- I am pointing at esoteric Christianity (i.e. the higher mysteries).  These mysteries are not well known, particularly in regular Christian circles.

Christ came to earth so that his being would be one with humanity for eternity- that was the mission.  All of the teachings are found in EVERY major religion.  Have you checked this out for yourself?  For example, Buddha and Jesus do NOT disagree with one another- they work in concert.  Buddha prepared mankind for the UNDERSTANDING of compassion and love.  Jesus Christ was the POWER of compassion and love.  Mission complete...

Sin is handled through the laws of Karma.  Unless one understands  esoteric Christianity, one would not be aware of this.  Jesus of Nazareth studied this with the Essenes since age 12, preparing his vessel via inner development in order to supress the eog/I (i.e. the I AM) enabling the Christ to dwell within him from the time of the Baptism, until His death.

The entire book of Revelation describes the Christian initiation that one must go through via inner spiritual development.

The event at Golgotha cannot be lessened, however, it can be (and often is) misunderstood.

You will not see God with your physical eyes, but with your SPIRITUAL eyes.  We MUST be careful not to materialze that which is spirit.  To understand a Spiritual book, one must open one's Spiritual eyes and ears.

I understand exactly where your arguement is coming from...been there, done that...then, I became a follower.

I hope that you are able to "reconcile" your differences.

David,

Personally, I have enjoyed our exchanges!  There's a major difference between channeling and spiritual research.  For the uniformed, the lines between the two don't exist.  

Have you read Bruce's book, "Astral Dynamics?"  This was the best book I could find pertaining to methodologies for Astral projection.  Bruce is doing spiritual research of his own.  Ergo, he is validating for himself.  Channeling is allowing another being to provide the insight(s).  The bottom line to approaching the Spiritual World, is that we may validate for ourselves!  This, however, requires much attention to inner development and a lot of knowledge/wisdom to compliment it all.  Once again, one can have a vision, etc...  The next step is understanding it.

The information that I provided you with is based on spiritual research and scientific research.  Ergo, the results do NOT clash with the physical facts- they support them!  Have you ever heard of the Akashic Records?  (This was the source of the information that I provided you with.)  Even if one is unable to perform one's own research currently, one can still be a benefactor of research that has been done by great inititiates if one knows where to look.

Atlantis must be understood from the standpoint of what the souls and group souls were like at that period of time and how they differ from our current state of consciousness.  Historical references are supporting evidence.  However, a book that only includes historical evidence will not reveal much.

The framework for understanding is: physical; etheric; astral; and I/ego.  These four components work in concert.  Most people only weigh the physical bodies because that's all they are aware of.  We must look at ALL of these bodies when we make our comparisions.  More precisely, what is the difference of the astral body of an Atlantean and the astral body (and/or etheric; I/ego) of modern man?  This is where the answers are!  Most of the changes that have taken place within the evolution of mankind have been made in these bodies.  Spiritual science (and research) makes these comparisons.  All of this infomation can be attained in Akashic.  (The Bible calls this- The Book of Life)

In addition, we must trace through these periods of evolution- Lemuria, Atlantis, current and follow the course of mankinds's spiritual development- not just the physical - to understand the changes that have/are taking place.  This type of understanding will enable one to make sense of it all!

Interestingly, Col. Churchwood simply spent 50 years of his life compiling enough factual/historical (no spiritual research) evidence to make a stingy materialist a believer- no kidding!

ALL of the ancient Mystery schools had their students validate for themselves (i.e. astral projection).  FYI: the entire book of Revelation speaks of the Christian initiation...inner development to the point of validation.

I applaud your sketicism- question everything AND get the answers!  Don't take anything for granted- that's the right way to go about it.  This approach is correct.  The whole idea is to validate for oneself and be able to be part of the Spiritual World consciously.  I sense that you are looking to do just that...

Hopefully, you are getting closer to this aspiration.

David,

On the matter of physical, etheric, astral, and i/ego...

Any materialist would claim that what cannot be acquired with the 5 senses (touch, site, taste, sound, smell) does not exist.  Herein lies the problem with today's world.  More specifically, this is why we have shut ourselves out from the Spiritual World which our anscestors had access to.

How do the television programs and radio stations that one might take in arrive to you?  Do you physically SEE those waves?  Probably not.  Do they exist?  If they didn't, you couldn't watch/listen to your program(s).

It is a fact that goverments have validated (here's what materialists MUST have) with physical proof that the human being is surrounded with energy.  This is not just a spiritual fact anymore!  If one does not KNOW about this, it certainly stands to reason that one does not BELIEVE it, either.

"Dr. John White and Dr. Stanley Krippner list many properties of the Universal Enery Field (UEF): the UEF permeates all space, animate and inanimate objects, and connects all objects to each other; it flows from one object to another; and its density varies inversely with the distance from its source.  It also follows that the laws of harmonic inductance and sympathetic resistence- the phenomenon that occurrs when you strike a tuning fork and one near it will begin to vibrate at the same frequency, giving off the same sound."

This is a fragment for all you materialists out there who have to see it to believe it.  Modern science is just now discovering what many of us have known for years.  We're simply ahead of the rest of you.  The details are up to you...

All the best!

[I believe what I know.]

David-

I hope all is well.  I come from a family of Masons; they are all in the Shrine.  I did not get the information that I posted from them- these are spiritual facts.  Also, I am not stating that what I described is occurring, just that it certainly may be occurring (i.e. possibility).  It all comes down to what someone's intentions are...who you ask; what their degree is.  As you know, some know more than others...

Personally, I believe that Freemasonry is a religion- period.  If the Masons have their own rendition of the Bible (they do), how can one not reason to this conclusion?  However, so what if it is a religion?  It all comes down to agendas and the evolution of mankind.  Please note: I am not condemning the craft.  The Freemasons, in fact, hold on to a chunk (not all) of important information that was entrusted to them- kudos!  However, where there is good, there is evil.  (This is true for ALL hierarchies) One must never lose site of this.  I belong to a fraternity and am quite familiar with rituals, intitiation on that level.  I believe that some Freemasons treat the brotherhood like a fraternity; and some like a religion.  That's why it depends on who one asks.  The system itself is designed to brush these types of questions into obscurity.

There are Higher mysteries and lower mysteries.  At the lower degrees, candidates are taught the lower mysteries.  Most members never learn the higher mysteries.

The Egyptians got their information from the Atlanteans who had migrated to different segments of the world before the Great Flood (Genesis).  Atlantis lasted approximately 250,000 years!  The Masons got their symbols from Egypt- that's what most of the Masons that I speak to tell me.  I don't mind telling you that I am disappointed in this response, though...hoped for more (understanding).  The Egyptians made modifications to the original symbols that they were given.  This, of course, made the task of deciphering more difficult...I won't go into detail here.  However, I will tell you this: I got this information from a fellow Mason: Col. James Churchwood, who spent 50 years of his life studying this subject.  (Would you believe a fellow Mason?)  He studdied the Sacred Writings from Lemuria (MU) which was the civilization before Atlantis.  In fact, Jesus Christ studdied these when he was an Essene.  (Note: the first 5 books of the Holy Bible are from the Sacred Writings.) ALL religious (and secret society) symbols came came from this civilization (i.e. MU).  

Reading Blavatsky is very difficult to understand and there are specific reasons for this.  HPB was made an honorary Mason.  She played hardball with the Masons and lost...ended up in India where they worked her over.  (I love her dearly and wish her well.)  The Indians stripped out the Christ element for their own political agenda- put her in Occult prison.  She was then unable to release information that she was holding onto. (Cruel?  You bet!)  On one hand, some of the greatest spiritual Truths were released in her works, but they left out a main ingredient- Christ!  One must trace the historical streams to make sense of what went on.  FYI: reading HPB is a lot like reading about someone trying to describe a vsion when they've had a few, if ya know what I mean.

Theosophy was similar.  They tried to pull a scam and stage a false Christ in order to suit their own agenda- that's why Rudolph Steiner left that organization and founded Anthroposophy (among other reasons).

Where there is good; there is evil.  One MUST learn to test the spirits and grow in wisdom to avoid being fooled.

I believe what I know.  Of course you don't believe in Atlantis!  What do you know about it?  How are you able to connect what went on in that society to you current being and humanity as a whole?  You didn't know about the things you were taught in Freemasonry, either.  Now, your beliefs have changed- right?

I wish you and Freemasons everywhere- all the love in the world.

[http://www.crystalinks.com/index.html]

Good Hope,

Good question!  The fact that your stated intention is such indicates that your process has already begun.  More specifically, the Spiritual World, of which you also belong to now, is more apt to work with you as opposed to you shutting it out.

Here's a great source for gathering information about the Spiritual World and more: http://www.crystalinks.com/index.html  This site is chock-full of information and might be a bit over-whelming at first.

You pretty much have to work from the general to the specific.  More precisely, one must map our a plan for the intended development as there's almost too much out there.  I started studying the quardrivium to enable me to absorb and understand the vast amounts of information available.  The quardrivium was taught in a lot of the Mystery schools.  It contains: Math (number); Geometry (number in space); Music/Harmony of the Spheres (number in time); and Astrology/Astronomy (number in time and space).  These four categories of the 7 liberal arts are considered the most disciplined.  The 7 liberal arts are what the ancients studdied in order to communicate with the Spiritual World.  Having a vision is one thing; being able to interpret it is another.

Anthroposophy is the counter balance to what's going on now (i.e. materialism to the extreme).  Rudolph Steiner was the founder of this society.  It's not a religion; typically don't meet up.  However, we view everything that occurs in the physical world as a reflection of what occurrs in the Spiritual World.  The only way we can truly make sense of what's going on in the physical world is to understand the Spiritual World.  You would do well by reading any of Dr. Steiner's books.

Personally, I have strong ties with MU (Lemuria), so I like to read a lot of Col. James Churchwood's books on the Motherland.

This site (itself) is an excellent resource.  In fact, Robert Bruce's book, "Astral Dynamics" is, perhaps, the best resource available for working with your astral body.

Meditiation is necessary- period.  If you meditate, make sure you do it around the same time every day.  The timing is actually more important than amount of time that one meditates!  One would be better served to meditate 10 minutes a day, rather than an hour every week.

Although I eventually came to reject the dogmas associated with modern religion, I did NOT reject the WISDOM contained within its source- the Holy Bible.  It is wisdom and understanding thereof that will make you worthy to move UPWARD, as opposed to forward.  The wisdom that Christ taught (which is also in other religions; Christ was the Master at making great Truths understandable) is what's required to move up.  Without this wisdom, one can only get to lower regions of the Astral world.  One must be worthy.

The spiritual path is a lot like playing a musical instrument (I play many; have been through the process many times).  This analogy is a good one because the astral boody itself is musical.  In fact, even the bones in our body are assembled in musical proportions- no kidding!

All the best!

Have you checked your natal chart (i.e. horoscope)?  It sounds to me (i.e. by your description) like that's the reason.  FYI: planetary alignments affect out bodies; it doesn't have to be a physical ailment.

[When one desires to stimulate the thinking process, eat roots]

When one desires to stimulate the thinking process, eat roots (e.g. beets; radishes). Roots achieve this because of the relationship of the plant to the human being.

Potatos are not roots; is actually a thickened stem.  (the roots are the little things dangling from the potatos)  Potatos will actually make one lazy and only crave the next meal.  More precisely, they only stimulate the body region below the head, because it is not a root.  If the habit of eating potatos becomes established, the head will become less capable.

Roots cointain salts; flowers contains fats and oils.  When we eat roots, we introduce the salts into our intestines; these salts, in turn, make their way to the brain and stimulate it.  With flowers, the oils are already on the outside and this is what primarily fattens the stomach and intestines and, in turn, affects the lower body.

There will never be a strong influence on the head if someone cooks flowers in a tea.  If you cooked the roots, they will have a strong effect on the head.

Ender- Yes, I see the plans unravelling before my eyes.  There are 2 forces working here, my friend- Satan and Ahriman - they work differently, but together.  (I will try to elaborate on this in another post).  Although, my focus is more on how to impart valuable knowledge/wisdom to those who are struggling with the "weather of the world."  More specifically, I am focussing on the positive.  No problems, only solutions.

Unfortunately, the events which are "staged" (and taking place) will take place- period.  However, this is not the end- that's misunderstanding.

You're absolutly correct when you mention turning the other cheek, otherwise, we go through the pain that the other person felt...bad trade!  One gets good at whatever one practices.  If we practice wisdom, it's easy.  Besides, who wants to keep making the same mistakes over and oever and over again?  In my mind, that's like the hamster on the excercise wheel- yikes!

It's obvious to me that people are finally starting to ask questions.  Nobody wanted to hear about these events a few years ago.  Typically, people meet Truth-tellers with scorn and admiration.

It is more correct to state that we are nearing the end of this Age (not the earth itself).  I will drop a few more posts so that you can see what the Ages are; where we are in the chronology; etc... (I'm working on that now)

One of the greatest achievements we can achieve at this time is not to fear- no matter what!  This isn't easy, of course.  However, it's much easier when one has the tools (i.e. WISDOM) to succeed.  FYI: fear itself is a killer

Death is like getting out of one car and getting into another.  In fact, some people don't even know they're dead because they still have their consciousness.

All the best!

[You must bring what you teach to the intellect.]

The Masons work with the sign, grip, and word.  Since the 14th century, the realities of these gestures could no longer be brought to people.  The process of communicating by gestures, originated from the 4th Post-Atlantean epoch and continued into the 5th by means of the brotherhoods.  

In the 3 grades (among other symbolic things), the Masons have the grip and the word.  From the beginning they were used on souls who were organized differently from those of the earliest periods.  Such people could no longer connect anything real with the sign, grip, and word, because they could not rise to what corresponded in the etheric body.  The gestures were merely an external aspect as far as the soul was concerned.  At the beginning of the 5th period, human consciousness began to center upon the physical brain and the sensitivity of the etheric body receded.  The occult brotherhoods continue these practices into the 5th post-Atlantean period.  They take in people and familiarize them with certain corresponding symbols.  People learn certain signs by bringing their bodies into certain positions.  Through that you bring something into their unconscious that they cannot have in their consciousness.  This appeal to the unconsciousness is inappropriate for our present evolutionary stage!  This requires that one teach by intellect, what can be understood by the intellect.  You must bring what you teach to the intellect.  This is not done in the occult brotherhoods.  People enter the first grade in these occult brotherhoods without being prepared with spiritual science or any other occultism.  Sign, grip, word, and many other things are transmitted to them.  In this way, they can be worked on unconsciously.

When you can work on the etheric body in such a way that a person does not understand what is going on, you can eliminate those forces that would otherwise be present in a person's understanding.  Thus, these brotherhoods can become tools for those who want to execute their own plans.  The brotherhoods can be used to further certain political goals, or to set up a dogma.  Those who are prepared this way, become instruments to carry this sort of thing out into the world.  Those who are versed, cannot be damaged by the transmission of symbols.

Let's deal with the Spiritual facts!  There is no shame in not knowing something, but there is in not finding out...most Masons don't have a clue what the hect an Etheric body is.

[Giving and receiving are the same.]

Celeste,

Thank you for your kind words.  Giving and receiving are the same.  Ergo, I appreciate that you "have an ear."

"To spend oneself in matter is to grind down souls.
To find oneself in the spirit is to unite human beings.
To see oneself in all humanity is to construct worlds."  (R Steiner)

I love you all.