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Lately I've been having some EXTREMLY realistic dreams (since I've been doing NEW). They usually involved some area of my personal or professional that was out of whak. Their realism makes me question the situation, once awake, for a few seconds. But then I realize they are dreams. Its almost as a partial lucidity because they happen in multiple levels. That is, I wake up within the dream to analyze the previous dream and some other situation arises. But I am not lucid in them.

I've also had lucid dreams and a few OBEs. No AP's yet. And I can tell the difference betweent the these extremely real dreams and OBEz. The key lies in the self-awarness found in OBEs. I can only go OBE from LDs and yest they too feel different. OBEs are more clear then LDs for me. OBE's are less fuzzy. Unfortunatley I'm still not confident enough about my recall capacity for OBEs so I keep them real short. Too short to enjoy. But just having these short ones feels nice.

So what if the world ends. Its only going to be this planet, not the whole universe. We will keep on going since our spirit can't be destroyed. Right? Enough with this fear of death! If you can only thing you learn from this forum and other like it is NOT TO FEAR DEATH, then you are doing Fine. Relax.

Then again, how many cultures have prophesized the end of the world at a specific date and we are still here. Anyway, this conclusion of 2012 from the mayans is based on only four codecies that survived. The rest were burned by the catholic church. (Thank you Vatican). So all this might only be speculation on very little information, anyway.

From the land of the Mayas I say to y'all: relax and "die" happily!

I've had relationships with a few wacko women. After its over, I feel drained of energy. I've always thought they were with me to drain my energy. Like vampires, if you will, attaching to my spirituality and sucking hard.

I once had a Rosacrucian girlfriend. I suggested that we should meditate together. She looked at me as if I had asked her to marry me. So apparently it is possible and A BIG DEAL. So I never mentioned it again and we stuck to regular exhibitionist sex. [}:)]

The dowsing thing in vietnam is true. I've seen documentaries that mention it on the History Chanel. Plus I have a good friend who did 4 tours in Vietnam in the late 60s and he confirmed it. They used it to find tunnels in the jungle.

Proving a negative (e.g. there is no astral) is impossible. You can only prove it exists or that there is a lack of evidence. And since this forum shows plenty of anegdotal evidence . . .

There is plenty of proof out there. Thier are many books with documented cases all over the world of clear knowledge of previously unkown information by children and adults. Other proof is also available in these books. If you go to your local library or to amazon you should be able to find plenty of books with documentations. Then again to some people no amount of evidence would be enough. If you are looking for absoulute proof, well I don't think you can really prove anything absolutely anyway, just provide overwhelming evidence for theories. Even science requires some faith on the works and methods of other scientists.

I have very little info on my past lives. I've been "told" that I'm on my 53rd encarnation. And I've been "told" I lived in scandinavia in viking times. I guess thats why I've always liked gloomy dark seas, cold and blondes []!

From what I understand, it is pretty easy to find people you have a PERSONAL CONNECTION to. It is not easy to find someone you DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY. I understand remote viewing can be used once you know a location, i.e. coordinates, map images, and address. But trying to find a specific person who does not want to be found might be easier done through conventional methods of inteligence gathering.

Anyway, politics loose their importance when you are looking at REAL BIG PICTURE. I would not waste my time doing this challenge. Their are more important challenges to me where I can spend my hard earned resources.

Tao, you asked

quote:In my opinion - this guides have their own personalities - but why i don`t get it is why would they respond like humans ? They are more intelligent

My theory is that they have to talk down to us in a way we can understand, so they respond like humans. Since you agree that they are more intelligent and more evolved, perhaps our mental development would be unable to get their logic. Perhaps by giving us deliberately wrong awnesrs when we ask stupid questions, they are "tricking" us into changing our approach, since we humans tend to learn by trial and error. Just like kids are taught through games, we are aloud some fun with the pendulum but then we are steared into more important matters.

When I began doing the pendulum I did some tests. One of them was to take a well shuffled deck of playing cards and picked a card from the top of the deck and asked if the card was black. The first 10 cards in a row were right on the spot, which statistically is very impressive. But when I continued to do the rest of the deck I ended up with a statistically insignificant 27 cards right and 25 wrong. This hinted to me that my guide would indulge me and my test for a very short time. Second time I did it, same pattern emerged. That kind of confirmed that conclusion for me.

Now I still do some personal questions but also some "big picture" questions. Then I take that info and seek ADDITIONAL confirmation through other more conventional means. I let the pendulum guide me not rule me. It is just one more way to gather information and it should not be relied upon exclusively. That is, test the pendulum indirectly by confirming what it gives you.

James, You say:

quote:As to the question about teaching through wrong answers, I have my doubts about this. From what I've experienced so far it is not in the character of a spirit guide to deliberately mislead just to see if you are paying attention. This to me is a human concept, and we should be wary of ascribing human psychology to the thinking of higher spirit beings. Typically they will give no answer at all, indicating that this is something you need to work out for yourself. Some information from guides seems to be on a "need to know" only basis.

In your case, it seems to be that someone is pulling your leg through the pendulum. Whether its malicious or mischiefous, you have to find out.

On the abscribed psychology, yes you are right that to assume they have the same neurosis as us would be naive. But they might take our neurosis in consideration when communicating. They might have to play down to our relative mental immaturity by using these wrong awnser stretches in order to get the bigger picture across to us. They might have to "trick" us into learning. Like a teacher that uses games to make the children more open to the learning process. Priming the mind for learning, per se. Just a theory! []

Sorry for deviating from the venom spewing but I have a question.

Are all guides Plaedian? I questioned mine and it says its not. Plaidians are out there, but that he/she is not one of them.

On the question of teaching through wrong awnsers, I can see how that can be done. If someone asks me a stupid question with a bad attitude or too insistently I will give them a wrong awnser. That way when they find themselves in error they will ask in a more positive attitude and in a proper way. I'm sure these guides get ticked off at stupid questions. Also a wrong awnser can be seen as puting a stop to a fruitless sideroad in one's path. A series of them will make you change direction. Specialy when they are consistently (i.e. >50%) wrong.

That said, I have to add that all one gets from the pendulum should be taken and analyzed in the context of the rest of your experience. The pendulum is not a substitute for common sense, but it can aid you in your pursuits. It can tap to the wisdom of your own subconscious, as well as from guides using your subconscious for communication. But it is just a point of data in a full picture. I don't belive the pendulum should be anyones EXCLUSIVE source for wisdom. This should help to keep most from cults and ritualistic KoolAid.

Tecnically, its probably not your first time. But the reason you remembered it is because it was only two seconds. I had a couple of those before my first full body obe, which in itself was just 5 to 10 seconds. Like RB says in AD, you got to keep it short at first and have a lot of patience before you fly out of orbit. Good luck on your future attempts!!! []

My first OBE was a LD to RTZ experience. I became lucid in my dream and imediatly was in my body awake. I laid there for a while and I tried to get up. I got up but without my physical body. I did reality checks like looking back at my sleeping body and checking for lights.

So my theory is that when you go back to your body during an LD your mind is awake but your body, if left alone for a while, will either fall asleep again or it never woke up fully.

This has not happened again. But I know its my fault. I've been slacking off in my training. But will go for it again. My dreams have not gone fully lucid but are still not quite random either. Last night's dream was being analyzed, as it was happening, by a side of me that was looking at the dream, yet was not lucid. Interesting but hard to explain.

CLIFF NOTES!!! YES!!!!!! Way too much to read on this and the other Mayatnik forum. I find the first Mayatnik post on the other forum tells almos the whole story. But a good synthesis as the whole deal would be nice as an ebook for the libary.

The scientific method was designed to prove things in the physycal world. It has failed partially to prove theories in things as psycology, and sociology. And even in the physical sciences it can only show corrolations between states of two things. But it cannot prove real cause and effect relations.

Example: The physiological state in which the brain's level of seratonin is low has a high degree of corrolation with the existance of depression. But: Does the low level of seratonin cause the depression, or does depression lower the level of seratonin? Both arguments could be made. Which you choose depends on your bias.

I would be surprised if our OBEs could be proven scientifically, since the data could not be made to fit the existing sceintific methods of investigation, to the satisfaction of dogmatic scientists. A new scientific method would have to emerge to be able to prove these matters. But would the scientist accept a change to their existing methods they cling to like a crucifix? I don't think so.

But the effort should still be undertaken.

shadowatcher

You're lucky. Many of us are just envious. We work hard at the few obe's we get. Keep at it. Learn as much as you can. This is a good place for that. And don't let anyone tell you that this is wrong.

good luck.[]

I believe our subconscious mind is a lot wiser that our conscious mind. And the pendulum is an easy way to get access to this wisdom. It is commonly known in psychology that the conscious mind can only process a limited amount of data (7 points of data I believe). But the subconscious mind does not have the burden of verbal comunication, which is somewhat limiting. Therefore it can store and process huge amounts of data and obtain it from many other sources other than our limited five sences. Psychic abilities are only the ability to perceive and process more information than the conscious mind can. This can be manifested in the form of instinct, visions and dreams.

And about it being a channeling instrument, it is possible that the entities in question use our subconscious mind to communicate via the pendulum. My personal opinion is that it has more to do with our own ability to obtain information from our enviorment at different levels of our existence, i.e. physical, mental, spiritual, astral, Akashic, etc.

Astronomical exploration is one of the reasons I got into this, but not the only one. So far I have gone and remebered OBE only 2 or 3 times for ultra short periods of time. I'm confident that intergalactic travel can be achieved. I look forward to it.

This ability has been talked about for a many years before rocketry. So I believe it is possible and if you accept the testimony of people like R. Bruce as factual than yes.

Unfortunatley astronomers who could confirm the reality of this travel technique are not practitioners of OBE, as far as I know. They tend to be scientifically dogmatic to take it seriously enough.[]

Lynfer,

The pendulum technique is at http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5116 .

The writting deal I don't even know how its called but I have heard of it from many people whose spiritual developmet I respect. But the basics of it is just to settle down, and let your hand loose and let ir write. Then read what has been written and see if it means anything to you. I have not done this myself cause I do like the pendulum.

Let me know how things go.

TB

You can also raise energy when you are idle or doing something that requires little concentration. This can add to your energy work. Its probably time to start doing some chakra work.

You should be feeling better already. When I strated, my mental tranquility improved within the first week. I notice it takes longer for me to get angry, except maybe when I drive[]. But even that has improved.

You seem to have good discipline, you should make progress for sure. If the things in the book do not work, this forum is a great place to learn alternate techniques for LD/OBE/AP or whatever you are into.

Like KP said. Meditate. That will make you more comfortable with these abilities.

Also try using the pendulum. There is a HUGE porting on it by Mayatnik. If you read the whole thing you will go mad. I recomend you read the first posting.

Also there is a technique that involves you sitting down with pen and paper and let your subconscious do the writting. I do not know much about it. Maybe some one else can explain it better.

I try to Raise Energy a few times a day a for a 2 to 5 minutes at a time. When I dont need my full attention. I am raising energy as I type this, since energy raising, once started needs little supervision for a while. (specially if you just raise it up your legs only).

At night I do some NEW work and chakra stimulation. Since I am currently experimenting with self hypnosis in order to create an automatic trigger for LD and OBE, I also do that before I go to sleep.

I try not to over do it. I probably spend about an hour or so a day in total (not counting whatever goes on during sleep). I believe in balancing everything else; i.e. spiritual, physical, emotional, intelectual and professional. If I spend to much effort in one thing, it means I'm not paying attention to something else. I believe in balanced stregth. If something is lacking it becomes a burden. The weakest link theory. Progress may be slower in each particular area, but the growth of the whole is strong and sustainable.

Spirit's Mass I heard was between 1 0r 2 oz. I do not remember exact figures. But I do remember I heard about it in a NDE documentary.

Follower of the Khuli:

On the SHC deal, A guy in the documentary put forth the idea of spontaneous Kundalini. Another using accupuncture terminology said that they might be caused by blocked energy paths gone totally out of whack (I believe that was the actuall technical term []). Also a doctor mention the existance of nanofibers inside mitochondrias that may be working at a quantum level. Maybe these can be used to transfer metabolic energy into quantum energy and generate enough energy for this kind of work. If you create the Ki blast/bullet outside of your body, you still would have to generate your energy at a mitochondrial level inside your cells. I still believe you would heat up way to hi to survive physically. But yes I agree it would be very cool to do it.

So yes there is support for your idea. I just hope you dont explode in the process.[xx(] And don't let the CIA get to you and turn you into an assasin.[]

As an intelectual excercise it would be great. But if you really are out to hurt people (which I discourage for karmic reasons) you would do better just doing Psychic assasinations like the KGB apparently did by stopping a subject's heart. I guess a good and acheivable ki blast at the heart chakra would knock anyone on their butt.[xx(]

Also I read an Online manual once by someone who claimed to be an ex KGB psychic agent, that he used heat (energy) from his psyche to stimulate different emotions in people. If he directed the energy towards the genitals he would raise the subjects libido([]), or if he directed it to the solar plexus it would create anxiety.

And from I hear, the Tibetan monks go out in the middle of winter and spend a night in the Himalayas with little clothing and sleep nice and toasty.

I also saw a documentary in the Discovery Channel on Spontaneous Human Combustion that may support your theory.

Although it might be possible to attain this power with a long, difficult and commited work, it might actually be more dangerous to the practitioner then the target. The amount of energy required to make even a small amount of solid matter from pure energy is even bigger than E=MC2 suggests. You must also remember the 3rd law of thermodynamics that states that entropy increases with time. In creating a solid object from pure energy you are reducing entropy, therefore an even larger amount of additional entropy must be created in order to stay in compliance with the principles of thermodynamics. This entropy would most likely be in the form of heat and it would cause the pratictoner to burst into flames. It would be like having a gun where the bullet is more massive then the gun itself. The one who fires it would be in more danger than the target.

The third law of thermodynamics is one of the bigest obstacle in subatomic particle accelerators due to the increasinlgy large amounts of energy required to collide particles to create just a few exotic particles for a few nanoseconds.

Plus if you spend so much time in this work, you are going to have to unbalance your life because you will giving up other parets of your life to this pursuit. That in itself is dangerous enough.