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#76
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 09, 2003, 02:12:27
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Greetings Birm,


Greetings Adrian,
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Thank you very much indeed for clarifying your method. In fact, the method you are using is one which I rate extremely highly; no doubting its effectiveness. This is phasing in its absolute terms.


Well I didnt know i was phasing, i thought i put it all together from what i read. So i am glad to hear that this method is known by other projectors. I think everyone can project using this method because it is easy and very effective. Especially for learning the astral senses i think.
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Achieving the "Astral screen" effect is crucial to success, after that it is a matter of entering the screen. This leads me to another couple of questions for the benefit of those following this method:

1) How do you "feel" for your Astral senses?



Well i developed a technique named Triangle Method which you can find in the Astral conciousness forums. What i did was to examine the feelings and senses i am experiencing in the astral. I thought if i could get used to these feelings i would be able to travel through astral anytime i want. All i needed was to remember the senses and to concentrate on them.

So on experimenting the senses i realized a sound coming from my ears when i wake up in the morning. This sound seemed like it is always there. You can find the details on The Triangle Method topic. I experimented with the sound furhter. When i am in the astral i dont hear such sound. But on the other hand when i enter the seperation process i may hear it getting louder and louder. While it is getting louder it mixes with animal screams or human voices.

In Turkey there is a word when you hear a ringing sound in one of your ears saying "Someone is thinking about you." I wonder if this saying has any relations...

Astral senses are a lot different than physical senses so describing them is very hard. I mean i feel like i am trying to describe the seeing sensation to a blind person when i try to describe my astral senses.

There is a discussion on Astral Experiences forum i made with TheLunatic about this. You can find it. The topic is named "OOBE I just had! - Extended Discussion"...

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2) How many months of practice did it take you to achieve the Astral screen stage? I think many people see the hypnagogic imagery, but never reach the Astral stage from what I read in the forums.



It took only one month actually. I first experienced the astral screen while i was experimenting with the BWGEN. I was trying the Deep Mind IV preset. That was an experimentation so i was trying to see what happens when i use Bwgen. So i was a passive observer. I was letting the images and visions come and go just as letting the thoughts come and go when meditating. I think the hypnagogic imagery is some sort of thinking but thinking with the imagery instead of words. Seeing the hypnagogic images happens in an altered state of mind. But if you want to project you will have to move into a deeper state of mind. I dont use Bwgen. I even uninstalled the program. But it really helps for the newbies i think.

I also want to say that some people are reaching the astral stage but never realize they reached it. They think they are just seeing hypnogogic imagery. Because they dont know what they will feel or see when projecting. Also their expectations are always different than what they will encounter.

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3) Do you lose the feeling of your physical body completely during this process, or care you still aware of it while phasing?



In RTZ: I can feel my body. I can feel both my physical senses and astral senses at the same time...

In Astral Plane: I Completely loose the physical body feelings...

I had a lot of experiments on this. First of all i have to tell you that you will feel a body. But it is not your physical body. You will feel arms, legs, hands, toes... So you will feel you are still aware of your body. But YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT. At least in my experience... I came to this conclusion by trying to move my muscles while projecting. I was in the astral plane and i was in some sort of Lucid dream. There were people around, trees, things... I wondered if i could be able to move into RTZ from there. So as Mr. Bruce said i tried to feel my physical body at the same time. I tried to feel both of my bodies. But i couldnt feel my physical body. So i tried to raise my right hand. All the visions around me melted away and i was forcing my self to move my right hand i felt totally paralyzed. Within tree seconds i moved my right hand and opened my physical eyes at the same time. I was forced myself back into my physical body. My body was numb, i felt very tired and i wanted to sleep. I realized i was laying down on my bed that moment. I slowly started to forget about the scenery in the astral as i was focusing on the Real world.

Best Regards,
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#77
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Hello Birm,

I have a few question regarding your method, could you help me out?

I can feel the disoriented sensation you speak about, and I've tried your method but I'm a little confused on some points.

I hear this SSSS sound all the time, and can make it grow even while awake. I would like to understand better the sequence.

- First you relax, breath awareness.
- Once your body is very relax, numb, you place yourself in the triangle.
- My problem starts there

I can't seem to "stay" there, I very easily lose the spot where I feel this disorientation, sort of a vertigo, inner swaying.
I place my consciousness there, start to feel these things and just can't stay there.
Do I have to concentrate being at that spot, staying there?
Do you at the same time...listen to the sound on top of your head, situate yourself in the triangle, keep aware of the ears and third eye to stay at the right location??
Does this make any sense to you?
Do you put your consciousness, as in one post, 1-2 inches above the center of your head?
In short I'm trying to get a better understanding of your technique to calm my constant questionning on if I'm doing it OK. Calm my wandering, chattering mind and be silent.
Thank you for any help,



This was a PM but i want to answer it here so other people can read it too...

Dear quebec,

You are very successful on moving into an altered state of conciousness as i see from your message. I can say you are almost there but you just dont know "how to feel" and "what to do next"... I will try to clarify the things for you if i can:

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I can't seem to "stay" there, I very easily lose the spot where I feel this disorientation, sort of a vertigo, inner swaying.
I place my consciousness there, start to feel these things and just can't stay there.
Do I have to concentrate being at that spot, staying there?



Well this happens to me sometimes too. That means your body is not fully relaxed. So your physical sensations are keeping you in your physical body. When this happens what i do is trying to move into a deeper state of mind. At this point i stop doing the triangle method and concentrate on my breathing and waiting. I am doing nothing but waiting to get to a deeper state of mind. Visions may come and go at this point. You may even find yourself in a lucid dream. The key points are:

Do not try to feel your physical senses.
Do not try to control the visions.
Do not fall asleep at this point because you are in the borderline of it.

If you are still aware of yourself after getting to a deeper state of mind. Try to feel the triangle again and this time you will be there for a longer time. It depends on practice for sure.

If you want to project into RTZ. Dont look at the visions and concentrate on the triangle. If you want to project into astral plane watch the visions and they will take you to the astral.

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Do you at the same time...listen to the sound on top of your head, situate yourself in the triangle, keep aware of the ears and third eye to stay at the right location??



This is exactly what i was talking about.

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Do you put your consciousness, as in one post, 1-2 inches above the center of your head?



Yes my conciousness stays there above. While i am slowly sucked by the astral world.

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In short I'm trying to get a better understanding of your technique to calm my constant questionning on if I'm doing it OK. Calm my wandering, chattering mind and be silent.



You are doing it excellently i think. Soon you will start to project and i want to see you on Astral Pulse Island soon :))


Hope this helps...
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#78
Welcome to Astral Chat! / WHAT'S YOUR SIGN BAYBEEEE?
September 08, 2003, 01:48:36
Capricorn here :) Watch my horns... [;)]
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#79
Capricorn here :))
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#80
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Yes I see your point but currently when I'm in the astral I still use words because that's what I'm use to. I've not had very many experiences where I've tried communicating to other being so I'm somewhat behind you in that regard. I can only speak the one language as well. Do you think that being multilingual has helped you to understand beings in the astral? I think that it might help you somewhat...



Well being multilingual really helped me alot. I tried to experiment it. One day we had a meeting with our german partners and whole day we talked and discussed things in english. That night i was too tired and i went to bed early. When i woke up it was 5:00 a.m. i got up drank a glass of water and i thought it would be a great time to project. So i started projecting and suddenly i realized that thought were coming and goind in english sometimes. Then i realized i could think in english while at the same time i could think in turkish. I tried to let it go and be a passive observer. I came up in a lucid dream where i was at the university. One of my friends were there and we started talking with him. After a while i realized we were talking in english. But in real life my friend does not know english. I couldnt think about it so much because the dream took me away from these thoughts and some girls came near us while my fiancee was watching. I tried to escape from the girls so it became a nightmare :)) When i woke up i remembered these and wrote them down.

Now this experience shows me that our mind is working how it is used to work. That day i used to think in english and when i was in the astral i was thinking the same way...

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I tried this briefly but so far I can't figure out how to do it. Once again I'm so use to thinking in words I'm having trouble. I have no problem with thinking in emotions like love or happy but concepts like 1 boggle me...



Well try visualizing 1, 2, 3 in front of you while meditating. The point here is that 1 means "one" in english, "bir" in turkish, "ein" in german. But seeing the sign is more general as you see. Dont say but see the numbers in front of you while meditating. And try to feel what seeing that number feels like... After a while try to remember the feelings that the numbers give you...

Please try it and tell me about your experiences...

With very best regards,
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#81
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 08, 2003, 01:05:38
Greetings Adrian,

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After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness.



Ok i will go in detail:

As an engineer i always try to identify things, how they happen, the reasons behind them and their benefits.. I have been trying to identify my astral senses for a month and i think we can still feel these senses while we are wide awake. But in the astral these senses are far more stronger. Let me give an example: Now close your eyes and look behind your eyelids, dont try to imagine anything just watch! You started to see some images right? But they were very blurry, dark and unshaped. While i am doing breath meditation in order to relax my physical body. I also wait for these visions to become clearer. After a while they will become perfectly clear. Some times they can move into a rectangle. Just like wathcing them in a movie screen. These show me that i am achieving an altered state of conciousness.

The process is simple i think. The most important things are:

i never try to visualize anything,
i never try to have control over the visions,
i never try to feel my physical body.


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Also, do you do this at any time of day, or upon waking early in the morning for example when the body is still very relaxed?



You can do it any time of the day. I wear a black bandage over my eyes in order to avoid daylight.

Waking early in the morning has far more benefits i think but i can only do it on weekends. When i wake in the morning, i lay on my bed and i read for about 20 minutes in order to wake my conciousness. I dont eat anything. I dont do any physical activity. I just try to wake my conciousness. After then i lay down and start the breath meditation.

When doing in the morning i feel like i am trying to stay awake and keep my conciousness aware. While on the other hand when projecting from wide awake i am trying to fall asleep while keeping my conciousness aware.

Hope this was helpful,
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#82
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Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings,

Another thought, it would be very useful indeed if members described how you achieve a state of deep physical relaxation. As has been pointed out, this is probably the most important pre-requisite for Astral projection.

With best regards,

Adrian.




Greetings Everyone,

First of all i have to tell you that i used bwgen for a while and experimented with it for a week. Bwgen is very useful for achieving deep relaxation states especially for newbies. I personally worked hard on Zen meditation several years ago and that helps me a lot for achieving altered states of conciousness. When i first tried bwgen i realized that it really helps achieving deep physical relaxation while being aware of your conciousness even when you are sitting. I suggest newbies to use the bwgen with the deep mind IV preset for relaxation. While doing that please be aware of your senses. Just experiment it. The optimum length of a session is 45 minutes. You shall be relaxed easily at that time i think. Examine how it relaxes you.

Here is my method for achieving a state of deep physical relaxation.

I lay on my bed in a comfortable sleeping position. I start breath meditation. I count my exhales. If you are new to this you can count both inhales and exhales. Remember it is all about concentration.

Inhale
Exhale - I say 1
Inhale
Exhale - I say 2
Inhale
Exhale - I say 3
Inhale
Exhale - I say 4
Inhale
Exhale - I say 5
Inhale
Exhale - I say 6
Inhale
Exhale - I say 7
Inhale
Exhale - I say 8
Inhale
Exhale - I say 9
Inhale
Exhale - I say 10
Inhale
Exhale - I say 1
Inhale
Exhale - I say 2
.. it goes on like this...

I do this for a while and if i am feeling comfortable i start to see what i say:
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 1
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 2
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 3
..

This is important because by doing this i try to stop thinking by talking to myself. So i am trying to forget about all my physical activity.

After a while i may start seeing visions behind the images of numbers. I let them come and go while i am seeing the numbers over those visions. This is very helpful in order to achieve an altered state of conciousness while staying awake.

If i feel like i am starting to fall asleep at that moment. I stop and get up. I walk around in the house for a while.

Then i lay down on my back and start the projection process.

This really helps because your body will be already relaxed and you can concentrate on your projection very easily.

P.S. Examine your senses all the time in order to learn about them.

Hope this helps,
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#83
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 05, 2003, 06:48:57
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Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings Birm,

Thank you very much indeed for your feedback as a pioneering visitor [:)] It looks as it API is taking shape nicely before we are really focussing on it.

We have alot planned for API as things progress, this is going to be quite something!

With best regards,

Adrian.



Greetings Adrian,

I should be the one that thanks you and Mr.Bruce for such a great site, valuable information and great discussion forums.

See you all on the API. [;)]
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#84
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 04, 2003, 08:13:15
Oh my god, you are right!!! I never realized it as a boat when i was looking at the picture...

This is amazing!
[:O][:)]
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#85
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How many times have you communicated in this way? And with who or what? Did you learn anything that might be of value to the rest of us?

I would like to say no in regards to the telepathy but being that I've never experienced telepathy I just can't say. I'd like to think that telepathy would still be more vocal in nature where-as what I experienced wasn't words.



Well actually when you try to talk to someone in the astral you have to communicate this way. I dont know any other way.

I dont want to write about my experiences because people may think that i am just setting these up. Because they sound silly, really silly. But anyway, i tried to talk to a stone once. It answered me. It was nonsense i know. But i just tried it. I said "What are you?" and it said "I am energy."

When you are in the astral everything can happen you know.

About the communication:
I can describe it as knowing it when it is told you. Yes nothing but knowing.

I mean we interpret the words in order to understand the sentences. I can talk turkish and english. When i read or hear sentences in these languages i understand them. Like this:
When you hear : "I am from Trdoniiddia"
You simply understand that the person talking is from somewhere named Trdoniiddia. But you just dont know the word Trdoniiddia. You had never heard of it. But you can understand that it is a name of some place.
This shows that we just dont interpret the words but we interpret sentences and phrases. When you hear the whole phrase you just understand and "know" it.

Astral communication is similar. You dont hear any words, instead you just know when something is transmitted to you. But your concious mind is used to think with words since you had learned to talk. So when you know something is transmitted you just imagine it is told you by words. I mean you convert them.

This explains how an animal or creature can talk in turkish. Even a stone can.

I am working hard on communicating and thinking without using the words.

Last night when i went to bed. I started breath meditation. On each exhale i tried to know that which number i am counting.

Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 1
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 2
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 3
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it goes on like this.

This really helps. Please experiment it and tell me about your experiences on this.
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#86
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 04, 2003, 00:46:21
LA FORET MAUVE,

I am still laughing about the word "DOCK" [:)]

Well yes there is a small boat near the dock. But it is not tied to the dock. It stays on the sands. Only two people can fit in it. One on the back and one on the front. There is no boat in the picture though. I dont know who put it there...

Novice,
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light grey color, almost like cigarette smoke.


This color was exactly what i was talking about.
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#87
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 03, 2003, 02:31:28
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Note: I'm no expert in projection but I'm willing to bet those were newbies like me. Did you try to talk to them? Just say, "Hey! This is Brim!" or something like that. It'll freak us out but we'll *KNOW* we were there. Then we can post and you can confirm and then there's a confirmation and everyone's happy. That kind of thing is *exactly* what you guys want with this island isn't it?



Well i tried to talk to them of course. But they just didnt answer. As Adrian said, I think they were people asleep or people trying to project. I read about this on Robert Bruce's articles too. But they were not at my conciousness level so we couldnt communicate.

Anyway, I will try to wake you up when i see you there next time. [:)]
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#88
Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 03, 2003, 02:20:26
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It would be useful if you could tell everyone here what method you use to project as it seems very effective in getting to API.



Well, I actually start with meditating first. While breath meditation goes on i try to relax as i can. After a while i stop breath meditation and try to hear and see with my astral senses. At that point i may see various images and visions. If the visions are not clear enough to me. I start trying the triangle method in order to get to a higher level of conciousness. I try to look deeper to the visions next time. If the vision is clear enough i start to watch the visions. At that point i may loose my conciousness in the visions. (Sometimes i feel the seperation here, sometimes i dont) Then i realize that i am in a lucid dream at that point. (Focus 22) I start flying over an ocean. The ocean has deep blue colors. I look at the ocean while flying. Then i arrive at the Astral Pulse Island. I land on the sands first and walk around the island if i can meet someone.

Also i have to tell you that there is a small boat on the shore. But i didnt put it there. I can always find it anyway.
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#89
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It's pretty high pitched and yes It does get louder to a point but I'm not too sure if it's really getting louder or if I'm just becoming more aware of it. I'm somewhat of the mindset that the sound is always there and that the brain just ignores it normally. I don't think the sound in itself is directly related to OOBE. But I base this on my own personal feeling... Once I project the sound pretty much stops. As far as waking up, yes when I'm not using an alarm clock I notice the sound often and I find it to be the best time to project as it seems that some layer that makes it difficult just isn't there.

Yes i think that the sound may not be related to OBE. Also i personally dont hear the sound while i am OBE. But concentrating on it actually works for me to easily get into trance indeed.

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Yes! it's really amazing. I've only had one experience with it so far but the more I reflect on it the more interested I become. If you have never experienced it you just can't be told what it's like. It's just that different! What type of experiences have you had? Do you understand anything said yet? As far as meditating yes that sounds like a very interesting idea. Thanks for the scoop I'll try it.



Well i can understand what is said to me and i can also speak by that way. I really find it hard to describe, too. I just cant find the words to describe it.

By the way, do you think that this can be telepathy?
#90
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Originally posted by Graupel

Hey Birm, I just had a quick question for you regarding the borderline sleep state:

How do you keep yourself from loosing consciousness and falling asleep?  Because it seems like whenever I try to stay awake I just lay in bed for hours and in the end I give up, which I eventually just have a dream and wake up the next morning thinking "how did I fall asleep?"


Well, if try to project at night you will probably fall asleep. Thats because your body is tired and needs to sleep. Also it is harder to keep yourself concious at that state. The key to OBE is to relax as you can in order to be AWARE of your conciousness. This is a hard thing to learn thats for sure. You can try to obe in a different place than your bed, or you can sit. If you do so you will be aware that you are not in your bed and that will remind you, you are trying to project. So you wont fall asleep easily.

On the other hand when you wake up naturally in the morning, your body is fully rested. Projecting in the morning is very very easier than projecting at night. Because your body is already relaxed and your mind is used to the astral feeling you had while you were sleeping. I usually wake up an hour before i go to work. I drink a cup of tea, go to bathroom and read about obe for 10 minutes. After then i lay down on my bed and try to project. I dont fall asleep, and i can get to the 3d blackness stage in minutes.

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Would just concentrating on the noise of your breathing (for me personally I breathe through my nose and it makes a high wooshing sound) be enough to stay awake into and through the borderline sleep state?

Or simply just focusing on your hearing and expecting that high-pitched "ringing" sound from the etheric body to happen sometime be enough to keep your mind awake and not let it slip into a dream?



You may choose whatever you want in order to keep your mind awake. Focusing on your hearing is helpful because you can feel the brain wave changes with that sound. As you fall deeper the sound gets louder.

You may try to find other ways of course. Just listen to your mind and forget about your body. Thats what you have to do.

Hope this helps,
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#91
Well Jeff,

As i said before i dont want to discuss my beliefs here. I am here to exchange knowledge about OBE's.

But i can tell you about a few things:

Muslim people believe in Jesus, Moses and all the other prophets. Our book says that Quran is the continuation of the other books. Quran warns as about the judgement day. On that day the sun will rise from west instead of east. (The world spins counterclock wise, that may change and the world may spin clockwise. It can be that something may hit the earth. This also can be found in quran.)

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I wonder if other Muslims use the Quran to teach AGAINST them.....must like people do with the Bible.


What happens to bible happens everywhere. Religion is being used to control the people everywhere on earth. But in the book you may find very different things. Also dont ever forget that you are reading a translation of the book. So you have to trust the translator. If you search long enough you will find the truth though. I read all the four holy books several times.

Here is the link to read it if you are interested:

http://www.quran.org/

I admit that I dont want to post about this subject again.
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#92
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Favorite Lyrics!
September 02, 2003, 07:08:47
You Not Me Lyrics
Dream Theater
Falling Into Infinity

Being 'round you is driving me crazy
Watching you run is making me lazy
You're trying to buy a place in my head
Telling me lines I've already read
Speaking my name to try to confuse me
Say it again you're starting to lose me

That's alright, I'm okay
It happens every single day
It's all the same
But I'm not blind

It's all about you
Not me
It's all about the things that you're expecting me to be
There's not enough time
To live
And all that you're expecting me to give

It's all about you
Not
Me
It's all about you
Not
Me

You're building my prison brick by brick
Eating your words is making me sick
You get what you want 'cause nothing is sacred
You're reading my mind and leaving me naked
You say I gotta give before I receive it
One of these days I'll believe it

It's all about you
Not me
It's all about the things that you're expecting me to be
There's not enough time
To live
And all that you're expecting me to give

It's all about you
Not
Me
It's all about you
Not
Me


That's alright, I'm okay
It happens every single day
It's all the same
But I'm not blind

It's all about you
Not me
It's all about the things that you're expecting me to be
There's not enough time
To live
And all that you're expecting me to give

It's all about you
Not
Me
It's all about you
Not
Me
It's all about you
Not
Me
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#93
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E: And our current concepts of God?
Z: Mostly based on past teachings of control and direction. We all are created and part of our creator, but not that we could actually meet him after death.
E: What about the theosophic and vedic concepts?
Z: They are a very good model. But more important is experience than models.
E: How can we experience god, or our creator?
Z: We and you are doing it all the time by living. We are 'god' experiencing himself. Do not think about it, you will see more and more by 'just living'.



Hi there Edi,

I dont know about zeta much but i found it interesting to read. May i ask some questions too? If i may here are my questions:

1. Do zeta have a holy book or a religion? I see that they believe that we are a part of god and i can accept it. That makes me think that they have some sort of belief anyway.

2. Do they have degrees amongs each other? I mean like in an army. Private, corporal, sergeant, lieutenant...

3. Do they trade? Do they have currency?

4. Do they die? Do they have funerals? Do they have religious festivals? Do they have traditions?

5. How do they count time? I mean 60 seconds makes a minute. 60 minutes makes an hour. 24 hours makes a day.

6. They say they dont need to eat. (Wish i would be that lucky!) Can they describe what kind of a metabolism they have in order to live. I think i need a scientific explanation. Also i wonder if they sleep.

7. Do they play chess? I am asking this because i played chess with computers all my life and i can understand if i am playing with a computer or a human. Because computers dont have feelings... And chess is not just a mind game but it is also an emotional game. You can win a game by just making your opponent feel like he is winning while he was losing the game. On other way the computers just calculate the moves and you must calculate better in order to beat your cpu opponent. They say they dont have emotions. So how about playing chess with a human. It may help them to relearn some emotions i think...

Well thats all for now. I hope i didnt accuse anyone with my questions...
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#94
Keep going my friend,

I think you are on the right track.

If you want a suggestion then i can suggest you to try to feel the 3D blackness. The more you feel the more you will get close. Try to get used to that feeling.

HTH
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#95
Dear alt0xFF,

I totally agree with you on this subject. Newbies may try bwgen like software or novadreamer like tool to get used to the trance, astral senses, being lucid and vibration states.

I personally tried bwgen for a while and it helped me having a deeper trance. But i dont use it right now. Because i dont need it anymore.

The key to fully concious OBE is to get used to the feelings and sensations of it. And as you mentioned:

WHATEVER WORKS, WORKS.
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#96
Zonmezz i thank you kindly for your post and sharing your experience with us.

Could this sound be related to the etheric energy we have?
#97
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Welcome Mohamed. I too look forward to hearing of your progress....I'm also curious to hear how friends and family in the Muslim community embrace things like OOBE's and astral projection. Are they going to be receptive of it?



Hi Jeff,
Actually i want to answer your question myself. Because I am a Muslim, too. I actually started to wander about AP and OBE when i was reading Our Holy Book Quran. I dont want to get in a religous conversation over here. But In the book i have found a few clues about the astral cord, having an astral body... The book also says clearly that everybody is projecting when they sleep at night.

But as i said i dont want a religious discussion over here. So i just mentioned these in order to answer your question and exchange knowledge.
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Originally posted by Tisha

Thanks Birm/all- - many of us have botched OBE attempts after thinking about our physical bodies.  Even thoughts like "oh boy I'm vibrating I'd better not think about my body - - DOH!!!!!!!! RATS!!!"

I don't think I mentioned that in my essay, so I'll go back and fix that!



I am happy if i could be helpful.
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Thanks for the info Lunatic...

I have a few more questions before i tell you about my experiences on the astral senses...

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my hearing instantly changed and was mostly just a high pitch wine. This is the same sound I get before experiencing vibrations.



Can you try to describe this sound more? Is this sound getting louder and louder when the vibrations spread all over you? Can you hear this sound while projecting? Ever realized this sound when you wake up in the morning?

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I do admit being overly rushed to do something.



I have this same feeling sometimes. Do you have any idea why is this happening?

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Seeing was terribly hard at first. It would fad out and in as I tried to straggle to see. Here lately it shifts between kinda bad to really good. It's pretty much been inline with physical sight so far. I see in one direction just like I normally do with very little weird astral sight stuff like some people report.



Yes, i am glad to hear this because i sometimes have the same experiences on sight. But i must admit when i try to let it go and just wait for a better sight. It gets clearer. Real than real.

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I have completely no idea what they where but it was kinda like someone whispering to you just below the level you can understand them. You know they said something but you can't make it out.



Oh god. This was what i always wanted to talk about. This may be that in the astral we are not talking with words, instead we are comminucating with feelings maybe. I mean like feeling what has been said to you instead of hearing it.

In these days i am trying to meditate with feelings instead of words. I mean i count my breath while meditating. But instead of saying 1,2,3 i try to feel what 1 feels like, and 2 feels like. This puts me in a trance very quickly. And its easier too.

I want to discuss more about the astral senses. So i am waiting for your contribution.
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Welcome to Astral Pulse Island! / Astral Locale
September 02, 2003, 00:24:16
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Originally posted by Adrian

Congratulations Birm on your trip to Astral Pulse Island!




Thanks Adrian,

But i am curious about a few things.

I projected to the Astral Pulse Island a few times just to see if i can meet some others there. But i never had an experience on meeting with someone also projecting at the same time. So i dont know if it is going to work. Once i saw two people on the island. They were just standing there. They were doing nothing. They seemed like frozen to me. They were also looking like shadows. Everything around was perfectly clear and colorful but they were just gray. I tried to  communicate with one of them. But they just didnt answer me.

I dont know if i am doing something wrong...
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