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The assumption I'm leaning towards is that an OBE (or AP) has meaning, but as a participant I have a role to play in how that meaning unfolds. The problem is how that meaning relates to everyone else's participation within this reality.
 
Or perhaps another way of looking this is the OBE world exists only as 'I see it', but does its existence share any relationships regardless of my participation – meaning there must be some structural form that is the result of my influence and the influence of the OBE environment on me.
 
Despite my numerous experiences and some being somewhat challenging I still remain somewhat sceptical, and I always appear to keep that sceptical hat on while still in my OBE's (always trying to do experiments to challenge what I'm experiencing, or understand why).
 
The problem I have is perception vs reality of what the RTZ is and as this is the only environment I have experienced I'm somewhat still limited to knowing how this relates to other environments/planes. Perhaps there should be more research that looks at the basic assumptions that defines the perception of the RTZ other than a lot of somewhat dogmatic descriptions/ideas that have been floating around.

The one time I tryed flying into space I thought I had actually made it. I turned around to look back on the earth and noticed that every country was marked with a sign popping out of it lol, so I then realized this was not RTZ anymore.

LOL, brilliant, sort of thing I would expect to happen to me...

In books that I have read about OBE's it usually sates to remain completely focussed otherwise your imagination can pollute what you are seeing (such as avoid negative thinking or fear to avoid experiencing negative or fear). Apart from immediate surroundings such as my bedroom or home interior I have noticed that the RTZ on the outside is often far from anything I would usually recognize or identify with.
 
For instance the other night (in an OBE of course) on my road I stood trying to aim for a star but could only make it to a telegraph wire that was just above me, and I kept repeating this loop (up and down touching the telegraph wire). Then as I looked across the road there was as an eerie silence with this an unusual wind vibration noise, and then a tumble weed blew by. I remember during the OBE being somewhat baffled at what I was meant to be seeing or interpreting.  I live in the UK and there are no tumbleweeds here and further more there are no telegraph wires on my street.
 
I'm not expecting a life for like representation during an OBE or even for that matter the my geographical environment playing some sort of control such just because I'm in the UK means I can only see or hear things restricted to the UK, but it sort of weakens my understanding of what I assume the RTZ is and what I should expect to see within it.
 
My recent 'outdoor' experiences has made me more sceptical about the RTZ and like the chicken or the egg scenario if I remain focussed how do I know I'm still not constructing the scene. I assumed OBEs had some independent governance of their own that could not be influenced.
 
Regardless I will still have OBE's but and will still aim to travel to a star or planet but I guess I need to forget thinking my journey is going to be some sort of National Geographic expedition.

In a book I read by Robert Bruce called Astral Dynamics he mentions that initially it's not advisable to go too far from your body as the OBE will often fail. Perhaps this is true; maybe I should pick up more confidence or know-how closer to home and then think about travelling further afield.
 
Xanth – thank you for your response in both posts and I understand what you are implying. My problem is I feel I need to initially fly as part of the benchmarking for my OBE's – I guess way of measuring the experience.  Perhaps once I have some air miles beneath my belt I will then try the think or feel method.

LOL, I suppose your right! The idea that I could be sleepwalking always runs through my mind during an OBE and safety should always be paramount.

I suppose windows should be avoided maybe I should get more in the habit of trying to first use my bedroom door, down the stairs and out the front door.

Last night I had another OBE, and during this OBE I was once more trying to understand my perception of solid objects such as the ability to float through walls/doors windows etc. However prior to eventually making it outside of my house my OBE started off where I initially found myself standing in my room facing the bedroom wall adjacent to my bed?
 
As with all my OBE's I initially spend a few minutes first aligning my awareness to where I was. On this occasion I first stood paused and somewhat puzzled in front of my bedroom wall, and I guess like a carrot dangling in front of a donkey I said to myself hey let's see if you can walk through this wall, after all you are having an OBE?
 
I subsequently stepped forward with the intention of walking through the wall like a hot knife sliding through butter, but to my surprise I instead hit the wall with a solid thump! I thought fair enough, let's try this again and I attempted once more but this time with a greater force. I positioned myself with my right shoulder aimed towards the wall in somewhat a defensive tackling stance, and I was on the assumption that I would just run up to the wall and roll through onto the floor of the bedroom next store. So I positioned myself and then ran towards the wall with my body and shoulder leaning forward as if I was trying to knock the whole wall down. However as my body pressed up against it, low and behold, I just bounced off it again with a solid thump.
 
Now after several attempts I was beginning to get frustrated, so I looked across over to the bedroom door as my next exit, yet the door was shut (when I woke up the door was actually open but annoyingly it was closed in my OBE). Like my efforts with the wall, I ran towards the door with a great force but this time making a tremendous noise as my body was slamming against it and like a Tom and Jerry cartoon I hit the door frame with a tremendous smack and fell to the floor.
 
I was becoming aware that for some reason I was adopting this unusual child like hyperactive aggressive approach to my actions. I laughed thinking maybe I should be a bit calmer, and oddly I noticed when I was hitting the door or the wall I was making a groaning noise from the bed where my body was fast asleep - I didn't want this to wake my wife up so I had try something different. So I gave up with the door and decided to head over to see if could get out through the bay window of our bedroom, but like the door and the wall I too just hit this with a solid smack.
 
I was now standing there with my hands pressed up against the window glass panes, slightly annoyed thinking come on Alex just slide through it, or if not then how the hell will I get outside of my house?? Well oddly what happened next was either a gap in my memory or my OBE physical time line and I was suddenly outside standing in front of my house looking back up at that window that I was trying to get out, but I don't remember sliding though the window or travelling to the where I was standing.
 
Perhaps I'm being to objective on how I perceive the environment during my OBE's. But even so I still have not managed to travel out of my house in real time through a wall, door, ceiling or let alone a window. I also have no idea why I do not have the common sense during my OBE's to just try using the door handle when trying to go through a shut door but I guess this partially driven by the fascination to pass through an object.  
 
Just to finish I do always manage to make it just outside of my house but it's always by thought and never by foot.

Hello, I had my third OBE this week and in less than 5 days. My OBE's have only ever happened at night from a dream state but recently I have found that I'm now waking up briefly during the night, slipping into a vibrational state and then subsequently into an OBE – trouble with these night time excursions is you are always so tired the next day!
 
Anyway I have been determined to travel further than my immediate surroundings (i.e. my house, bedroom etc). Last night once more I made it outside onto my street. Whilst outside I will often stand in my road and stare up the night sky and look at a few stars or even the moon. My objective is to choose a star and travel there but for some reason I'm always failing to make the journey.
 
When I'm outside and I attempt to launch towards my chosen star I seem to either do two things after launching – I will slip into a vivid dream state from the OBE and wake up, or the OBE fades and I wake up. Either way I'm not staying alert/conscious during the OBE when I'm attempting the journey i.e. travelling in real time towards my chosen destination.
 
Also I do not think the stars I'm looking at are a true representation of the night sky from where I would be standing. Last night it was actually overcast but in my OBE I saw a clear sky as stood in my road. The stars that I'm seeing from the ground always appear to be in a grid like repeating pattern. I'm assuming this is because it's obviously a fantasy driven night sky as I have no knowledge on astronomy to make a true representation. This of course is based on the supposition that there is some sort of reality to what I'm expected to see during the OBE real time zone environment, or perhaps there isn't it?
 
Any advice on how to break this barrier? I assume it's possible to do this from an OBE, and perhaps it's just something that will come with experience, and effort.

Thanks for the interesting reference to Albert Taylor; I read it as almost identical to my experience. I have only listened to Albert Taylor on some podcasts but I have never read 'Soul Traveller' yet – that will have to be my next book purchase!
 
Regarding to the emotions - I would say I have fairly high emotional awareness/intelligence and would not see that as perhaps a cause. In fact I think most people who have continuous OBE's, AP's, and/or Lucid Dreams etc would develop or naturally have a higher emotional response/intelligence than the average person that would not have these experiences.
 
Based on the occasions that I have viewed myself I'm tending to lean on the notion that perhaps OBE's occur through their own intelligence, and we step into the process becoming absorbed by the actions but only as an 'intelligent' shadow copy. And perhaps the shadow copy can exist as numerous copies, with visualization from numerous simultaneous angles, and conscious awareness from numerous simultaneous positions all with their own agenda – no such thing defined as a single unit. But then again this notion conflicts with my other OBEs in which I'm a single person (i.e. me) with my own agenda such as leaving my body, heading somewhere and then returning.

The ambiguity that surrounds this phenomenon makes you wonder what should be the baseline and/or benchmark in trying to understand and develop your experience.  I suppose the advantage to this forum is the opportunity to set a baseline and/or benchmark.

I often will have an OBE where I will awaken into the experience and my body appears to be in control of itself, on a course of its own and completely unaware that I'm conscious.
 
These OBE's are strange as the experience is not a single approach but from an alternating point of view - me but not me. And occasionally I will simultaneously be in my body and at the same time viewing it from the outside doing all the driving.
 
For example every so often I will view myself exiting from my bed and I always exit like a snake sliding across the covers, bending over at the bottom edge of the bed and then sliding onto the floor. I will experience this from the ceiling looking down at myself making the exit but at the same time being inside my body making the journey. These types of exits only happen when my body is in this cruise control mode, otherwise when I have a conscious exit I will leave my body somewhat less gracefully!
 
In these situations my body appears to have an agenda of its own, and it's a bizarre opportunity to view what I get up and how smooth I appear to move. However there is a point during the experience where I feel like my body somehow becomes aware of my snooping or being a backseat driver making comments such as why I'm doing this, where am I going etc? Eventually the alternating points of view align back into first person – i.e. me in my body doing the manoeuvring.

Doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it can create some confusion identifying and putting trust into who you actually are during an OBE, or if there is more than one of yourself during an OBE.  

Hello, I also had a dry spell and started to panic thinking maybe this is it and an OBE may never happen again. I didn't have an OBE for at least six months or more then recently had a few, although they were quite short mundane ones.
 
I have become too comfortable on my OBE's occurring through either a lucid dream, or just random awakenings that were not induced from dreams (suddenly having an OBE while asleep but not knowing how you got there). Either way they were not self induced/controlled, and happened on their own accord.
 
To ensure some sort of future sustainability I will have to learn conscious exit projections or self induced.  The only reason to date I have not done this is simply it's a steep learning curve and I need to invest more time in understanding various methods. I found it easier (perhaps being lazy) to just hope one will happen while I slept, and as mentioned panicked when the experiences dried up.
 
I guess the whole OBE process is nothing but always a continuous challenge requiring another means when you hit these brick walls.  

I'm typing this on my iPhone as a quick response so excuse any grammar but in response to your comment Psilibus...

It's not just the alien agenda, but anything caught within the paranormal field, has and always will stimulate much interest and of course speculation. For the most part the recent raised interest (last few decades) is probably down to disillusionment with our modern day society leading us to question and explore (including Hollywood who cashes in on this).

On the other hand all the paranormal awareness that is pushed via outlets such as films, TV, books, and the internet raises the public's awareness on the subject providing a good source for self discovery – i.e.: I would see this as a positive trend to something that could be viewed as dissatisfaction with our mainstream beliefs and practices.
 

What I find fascinating is that if this is true (governments aware of AP,RV as a possible tool for espionage) then they would have had to look at that the probability and threat based on an average end users ability to have projections, average end users  progression and development ,those that are professionally trained, and what laws and physics govern how it can be used as a tool for intelligence gathering.

But as the field is so diverse and challenging counter measures must be made on so many assumptions that it's hard to assume that something does exist around a set of processes that can be damaging unless we agree that there are laws and physics governing what one can do and the limits to how a projection can be utilised - Unless counter measures have been influenced by outside forces or helpers.

Either way a forum site like Astral Pulse would be an excellent source for any intelligence analyst to gauge the aptitude of the average end user.

For me this whole field/subject is like an open mic night with no amplification but perhaps too much noise.  So I think I still need more convincing that something could exist that could separate the signal from the noise.

Very well expressed response - CFTraveller!

I agree with you completely and also believe there is a common ground amongst all these experiences but we lack an agreed methodology or language to express and communicate what is experienced and how the rest of the community can then identify and understand the experience.

At the minute the communication and perception of people's experiences is a free for all, some have gained a wealth of knowledge by reading books, having experiences or sharing with like minded people, others may have simply just stumbled onto the experience and learned through their own mistakes, and then the rest may sit somewhere in the middle.

Either way it's all very subjective. But as long as we are discussing and analysing these experiences from the eyes and ears of our physical bodies then the more we need a methodology to ensure what is communicated or expressed can be understood in a way to ensure knowledge is shared and acquired and not lost in translation.

Funny the whole situation reminds me of when I did my arts degree and now working as a project manager for the last decade. Both environments were/are always left to interpretation and assumptions. However quality and information sharing can/is improved through education, better knowhow and adopting a common objective to what and how is being expressed. Especially in the field of project management where so much money and time and effort is wasted by people gathering around the table and not sharing a common knowledge on processes, objectives and requirements – hence there are global project management accredited qualifications to ensure quality within the business environment, and especially relationship between customer and supplier.

So in this field of experiences your right there will always be the "My Guru can beat up your Guru" but again that is just because there is no official adopted language or process on how these experiences can be expressed or understood. Imagine if this subject was to be officially taught as an accredited qualification within schooling, or field of work. This being the case something would have to be adopted to govern and measure what is or how it's achieved. Of course it would then start entering an infringement on maybe how we view and experience our subconscious reality but as long as we try and use language to communicate these experiences the more we will just go in circles without ever understanding each other.

Reference to 'Experiences' is of course OBE's/AP's etc  

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory

I would see this differently - but understand it can be viewed as somewhat dark. However posts on here can be upbeat, downbeat, intelligent, creative, and sometimes lacking content. But the great thing about this forum is that I can progressively develop my skills and knowledge by learning from others who have broken it down into bite-sized learnable chunks, then fear diminishes greatly because I have a better understanding on perhaps what to do.

But despite this topic being very speculative, is this really a threatening issue to the projecting community – probably not. However from a technical point of view I'm now very curious if it is possible that an astral body could be contained as I never heard of such a thing. But if this were the case then surely its something that would require investigation.

Maybe what we need is something like "Trip Avdisor" for the Astral planes.

[QUESTION]

I have never tried to project to any 'known' places classed as government military or top secret installations. I have a fear that perhaps there would be some counter measure - i.e. I would be seen or presence known. I'm more referring to maybe accidently somehow travelling to a room/place that you shouldn't be in - as opposed to maybe floating around the car park or canteen of an installation  .

The general problem with most projections for me is trying to ascertain what is genuine or what could be fantasy driven. So for instance if I have slight fear of places where I shouldn't travel too then I'm sure that fear will play some part in what I may encounter - I'm not sure if Remote Viewing is different.

So when I was initially Googling about this I wondered if anyone had accidently viewed something they shouldn't have and if there any repercussions.  In my search I came across several pages about the supposed Dulce New Mexico Deep Underground Military Base.

Below is an excerpt from a section that talked about Astral Projection at Dulce. I know this is very speculative and sometimes I wonder how stories such as Dulce would start in the first place, but do you think an astral body could be contained or influenced in anyway by the suggestions below – it seems ridiculous?

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The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello approximately a year before his death [or disappearance]. They are followed by his responses:

"QUESTION -- In "the Dulce Papers," copper seems to be high on the list of important imports. In what processes is copper used?

ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)...."

I will have a read to the attached link, may shed some more answers or thoughts on the subject.

However if counter measures do/were to exist but one was to still able to view facilities do you think there could be any repercussions - such as a counter measure to know who you were, by somehow energetically/psychically tagging you?

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?

I never really thought of your other suggestion - that I could be viewing it as an energetic link (i.e through someone elses eyes).. very interesting.

My problem is perhaps I'm thinking of the multi splits as a seperate entity or bodies. And how and what can be controlled or experienced in the various planes while in these multi shifts. It's to difficult to consider multi-simultaneous memory functionality without it happening in isolation of each other.   

I have often wondered if during an astral projection if anyone has ever tried to visit places such as the Pentagon, Area 51, or other top government/military installations, maybe even investigate the truth to theories such as deep military underground bases like the most talked about Dolce, New Mexico?

If this were the case do you think counter measures may exist to prevent people from viewing/travelling to such places?

Has anyone tried to visit such a place?

If you google 'Deep Under Ground Military Bases' (DUMB), and 'hum', there is quite a lot of results returned about how people have reported unknown humming sounds linked to the DUMB construction - the theory being it could be linked to DUMB's and deep tunnel boring machines.

Obviously you would have to subscribe to the notion that DUMB's exist but it's one theory floating the circuit reference to people complaining about humming noises heard in various cities and towns. Irrespective it makes a good read.

Normally when I have an OBE it will be triggered from a dream, or either waking up in the early morning hours then dozing back off and the OBE happening almost immediately.   Regardless when the OBE happens I will suddenly awaken as I rise from my body seeing the ceiling getting closer, and then moving somewhere else in my house – as it happens I'm always viewing it no different than when physically awake,  through my own eyes of my own body (or out of body form).

However, last night when I had an OBE it was odd. The OBE still had all the normal initial physical departure sensations in the pit of my stomach, the sudden rush of excitement. But for some reason I could only describe it as if I was split into three fragments.

The physical sensations I felt were being felt through my own physical body, but I was visualising the experience from the side of the room in some form. I physically saw myself leave my body and I knew it was a weird exit. I must have been sleeping on my stomach and I left with my feet going first to the ceiling, and somehow flipping over to eventually end up standing upright. As soon as I flipped upright my awareness left from the position that I was observing from the side of the room and rejoined to my out of body form and I flew out of the house.

The point I'm raising is the disjointed spilt of vision, physical emotion, and control/movement somehow being experienced as one but knowing at the same time I was separated into multiple forms but only having physical control while in one of the forms.

Has anyone experienced this, if so:

- Are there multiple levels of our self during and OBE or maybe even AP?

- What 'form' or 'segment' would I label or categorise myself as when I was viewing myself exiting my physical body?

- Has anyone mastered thinking as one but from multiple selves, such as processing and viewing information from multiple splits? In my case last night it appeared I can only have intelligent thought or processing information from one occupied split, but I had the emotional experience or sensation of all three - To further explain, when reading this you're thinking and processing the information within your head, but if you suddenly saw a double of yourself on the other side of the room and then somehow jumped into your other self you're thinking would/may come along with you. After jumping into the split self you would then be able to visually see your other self you just left but the thinking ability would only be from the new occupied self. Has anyone had OBE or AP where they had multiple thought control of split selves? I only had the emotional or 'feel' factor of multiple splits, but not the physical thinking or possession of the multiple self.

Hello
 
I wanted to know if there were any type 1 diabetics on this forum who have OBE's, Vivid/Lucid Dreams and think there could be a link to their experiences being induced by taking insulin?
 
I have been a Type 1 diabetic for 20 years. I will for the most part always have lucid dreams, and with occasions OBEs developing from the lucid dream state.
 
In my early years while having these experiences friends would always say it must be your diabetes causing the sleep problems – sugars to low or high causing the sleep disturbance and subsequent dream experience that followed.
 
However on all occasions that I awoke from my OBE's I have tested my sugar levels and they were always fine. So I assumed it was not lack of sugar to the brain causing the experience, but now wonder if insulin makes me more prone to having lucid dreams and acting as a front door to the OBE.

I have been using them for a while, but so far with no luck. However regardless if it ever stimulates anything to happen it's still very relaxing to fall asleep too.

But Ryuk you mentioned something that has happened to me as well and I completely forgot about it until I was reading your reply. 

I remember on two occasions while having an OBE I heard myself breathing. It was an odd experience as I was not geographically next to my body (I was on top of the ceiling) but I heard myself breathing as if I had my ear next to my mouth - when this happened it felt as if I actually could feel I was in two places at the same time.

The only way I can describe the sound is similar to breathing when yours are blocked with water, heavily congested or maybe stuffing your fingers in your ears. 

Nope it must be technicolor -

I do not view it as black and white as you are suggesting. On a lighter note I have found the Reptilians are pretty good at a lot of synthesis matters, and make excellent researchers, as well as pretty dam good golf partners, when they don't worry about the 'score' all the time.

Hello
 
A few months back I was browsing on you tube and I came across a UFO Hunters episode about Dolce, New Mexico (DUMBS - Deep Under Ground Military Bases and its links to the Military, Grays, Reptilians etc). The episode stimulated some interest and through a bit of surfing I came across Phil Schneider and Alex Collier - video interviews with ref to DUMBS.
 
Admittedly until then I really never heard of these guys yet I have read numerous books on the subject of UFOs/Contactee's. Anyway after watching several of Colliers and Schneider's long video interviews from the mid 90's (many come up when Googling), they came across very dark, disturbing and depressing! I think if you actually took everything to heart it could easily mess with your head.
 
Initially I was attracted to some of Collier's beliefs simply because he was bridging the gap between the Alien Agenda and to domains that have no parallel to any physical settings such as the ones commonly associated in the Astral Planes – both areas I have an interest in.
But Collier gets quite wild with his stories, which as mentioned become quite dark and sinister; mainly discussing the Draconians (Reptilian agenda) – 'to seek out the human refugees for destruction or assimilation, and to use their blood and hormones for sustenance'. I think for me the disturbing part is how convinced and detailed he is about his subject. Check out this page about his stories: http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/draconians.htm
 
There is also a great deal of threads out on the web about Alex Collier, Billy Meir, and Phil Schneider and closer to home there are some on this site too, and on Paracast, Above Top Secret etc. The general opinion is their stories are just too way out there to be true, nothing to back up their claims, all discussing agendas which seem to elaborate. And naturally this enters into the whole positive and negative alien debate within the abduction agenda, alien hypothesis etc.
 
I do not attach to much belief in their hypotheses but they do stimulate thought on the subject – Alien Agenda malevolent or benevolent.

[Friday 6th November, 2009.]

Hello, I have a bit of a long story for something that was actually very short to experience, and not that exciting - it's taken from my dream journals. However for me the small encounter was a verification exercise and has created opportunities to look at further experiences in a different context. 
 
Friday 6th November, 2009.
I stayed at my wife's parent's house last week and I have only slept there twice before. On this occasion when we went to bed I woke up during the night as I had to use the toilet (was desperate!). As per usual when waking up the noise of me shuffling around in bed woke up my wife, and she did the typical what time is it and why did you wake me up etc - sometimes it's easier to just lie in bed and not bother 
 
When staying over at any guest's house for some reason I always feel somewhat self conscious of making too much noise during the middle of the night on excursions to bathroom. However I also knew that the bathroom was right next to my wife's parent's room, and it didn't help I was in a house I was not to familiar with, especially at night in the dark. 
 
With this in mind I eventually got out of our bed, and headed to open the door to our room which was closed. Unfortunately as I opened the door it was quite a struggle, plus very noisy. I quickly established that you had to somewhat lean with your body weight and pull, which was due to the fact there was no gap between the carpet and the bottom of the door (as I pulled the door open I chuckled thinking if this was my place I would have planed the bottom of the door ages ago).
 
Anyway I made it to the toilet and that was fine. I then came back to bed, shut the door and drifted off back to sleep. However, I then woke up an hour later and thought great I have to go the toilet again! (I'm diabetic and my sugars were slightly high that night). So after lying in bed and contemplating the whole process, my wife soundly asleep, noise of the door – I thought way to much hassle, just forgot about it, and eventually I drifted off back to sleep.
 
I'm not sure on the time difference, but after a while I was awake and opening the door again heading to use the bathroom. I remember the physical struggle of opening the door, and having to lean with your body weight to try and open it. I also noticed the scraping sound of the door brushing along the dense carpet fibres as it opened. I then walked towards the bathroom and passing to my right was my in-laws bedroom (their door was open ajar).
 
As I stepped forward just past their door I heard a rustling noise from their bedroom. All of a sudden I heard the switch of a light coming on from within their room. So I stopped and stood still in the hallway looking through the slightly opened door and saw their bedroom was all lit-up. As I stared I saw a wardrobe at the end of the room, and noticed the silhouette of my father in-law getting out of bed. I knew he had to get up for work very early, and thought what great timing! But at the same time as I stood there for some reason I panicked and thought I can't be caught (was weird, like I was a child in trouble or something).
 
As soon as I had that thought I instantly woke up in bed. I realised that my second journey to the bathroom must have been an OBE or very lucid dream. I also ironically heard my father in-law waking up and leaving his bedroom to make his to the toilet. It was if my previous experience was cutt off in real time as it was happening.
 
So on this occasion I had my first OBE that was to physically real, and funny enough I didn't even know I was having one (I actually thought I was really on my way to the bathroom!).
 
Some interesting facts for me compared to other experiences I have had:

- My experience started when I was pulling the door open; the door was very physically hard to open, just as it was in reality. I do not remember leaving the bed; I'm wondering if it was as if the struggle to open the door which is what awoke me in the dream/OBE.

- When I was making my way to the bathroom as mentioned, I saw the light coming on in my in-laws room. I never would have known before but my wife said yes my father in-law does put the light on when he gets up at around 5am, in fact when he gets up my mother-in law gets up as well.

- I have never seen their room before as the door was always shut during the day, but checking the following day the room looked as exactly as I saw it in my experience when the door was open slightly ajar (there was the white wardrobe at the bottom as well). I even noticed the colour of the wallpaper in the room that was highlighted when I saw the light come on in the room.

- I would have dismissed this as a lucid dream if I had not had the experience of seeing their light come on in the bedroom and being able to verify what I saw the following day.

- It was the first time I witnessed something happening in the real physical environment from the OBE environment, all mixed together in real time.

- I have read before the thought of needing to go the bathroom and not going is a good way in tricking yourself to have an OBE. Funny but I guessed it worked. But I wondered what would have happened if he didn't wake up, would I have carried on to the bathroom to use the toilet in an OBE state?

-  I can't believe I have experienced something that gave me the opportunity to verify the experience the following day. I suppose it could have been just a very lucid dream but the fact that I noted what was in their room, and colour of wallpaper, the light coming on etc has to be some form of proof that one can actually view physical environments in real time from an OBE.