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quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path


The accepting og the OT prophets message is the acceptance of JESUS. He is the Messiah. That is who I worship. Not the messengers.

And the same for moslems, duh. They consider Mohammed as a prophet, they worship god. My question to you is why do you dismiss the evils of the Jewish prophets and yet patronize Mohammed for the same kinds of actions? Religious hypocricy at it's best.

[NO]

Well since you've regressed to threatening bible verses again, I'll throw out some criticizm to the verse.

Think about your concept of judgement. Think about your concept of hell. Think about your concept of heaven. Think about your concept of God.
God is, undoubtedly, the wisest of all, even above all wisdom. Now, he created heaven to be the abode of the righteous, and hell as the abode of the punishable.
Thus, in judgement, based on one's actions and faiths, they are either rewarded for all eternity, or punished for all eternity. Now, just, think about this.
IT MAKES NO SENSE. None! It makes absolutely no sense why God would set up a system where the unfaithful are punished, nonstop, forever. Just ponder the concept of being punished forever for past mistakes. No good at all can come from eternal punishment. It's not like in Hell people are punished and eventually relieved after learning their lesson, they're not, they're just punished eternally. Giving hell no rational purpose whatsoever. Could God, the creator of all, possibly be that stupid? How could the creation exceed the creator in such a simple logical conclusion?

Before you jump on with reasons for why god would do it, take a minute and really analyze the reasons. I have, extensively, and you'll always come up with the conclusion that hell is irrational.

That's food for thought if anything.

quote:Sounds a lot like what most here believe without the "Satan".

Not surprising, considering the fact that Satanism is nothing but an organized rip off of an occult eastern concept. Kind of like Christianity.. only less distorted.

Remember, allanon, that your satan is far from a Jewish concept, but one of the Zoroastrians that was adopted during the Babylonian captivity. In that respect, he was never meant to be the antithesis or the disobediant fallen angel of the Jewish god JHVH.

Religious validity weights on a very personal and subjective scale, what makes a set of beliefs valid to one person could be totally different from what makes it valid to another. In Roman times, the validity of a god was determined by whether the army fighting under him won or lost. This is how Christianity became the valid national religion over Mithraism. Actually with that in mind you see how Christianity became dominant due to the stupid coin toss of which god would win the war.

Anyway, this brings up one of the most important validating principles in religious doctrine to me, origin. Where and what a set of beliefs came from is IMO very important in determining the validity of it. Christianity has the shortest straw in this game, being derived from sun and moon worship and Judaism, Judaism being at the time intermixed and indistiguishable from Zoroastrianism and Chaldean beliefs and in it's own way partially derived from phallic and sun worship. Tracing all the way, Judaism itself is little more than the Sumerian cosmogony compiled into a consummate deity. Going from there we simply have pantheism who's origins we can only guess (man personifying the forces of nature, man getting bored, aliens, or man (mis)interpreting the abstract as a literal). In that sense none of the theistic religions are much more than man's creation of god(s) in man's likeness, thus in my mind making them for the most part invalid and corrupt.
Quite to the contrary, mystic religions of the east, while having in some sense an exoteric brand of anthropomorphic deities to their own, also have since the beginning contained esoteric wisdom in the philosophies and writings. The wisdom in these writings/beliefs and the supposed age of them make a pretty good argument for the Aryan Hindus. Speaking of wisdom, the other largest factor in the validity of beliefs to me is sensibility. Logic.

Up until I was introduced to Theosophy, logic in religion was unheard of. I was taught that the Christian religion was truth, even though it made no sense to me in light of logic and science. I was never taught a shred of Islam, non-christian Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or anything else, much less mysticism. That said, when I did delve into the other religions, most specifically the Vedantic and Kabalistic doctrines, I was immediately swayed by how much sense they made, logically and scientifically.

Another important part ever since I've been introduced to astral projection and the occult is the recognition of such phenomena. Western religion teaches of no such thing, or at the very best restricts it to miracles or acts of satan. Our common septenary existance concept on the other hand is central to Hindu teachings.

Esotericism comes with the last two as well, of which very little exists in Western dogma today.

It seems to me that people are people no matter what religion they follow. Generally, the morals and behaviors are universal. In that way, I don't put too much in the practitioners (unless they're obscenely evil or something).

Those are a few good points concerning validity of any religious teaching as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe just an off topic board (moreso than astral chat) or an under 14 board. I see a much larger gap between the 12-13yr olds and 16-17 yr olds than between the latter and the > 18 yr olds.

Off topic might not be a bad idea.

quote:Originally posted by Beth

The literalists remained Judaism, and the allegorists became Christians.

Shame it didn't stay that way save maybe for the Rosicrucians

quote:His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Wow, thanks for proving what Beth has been saying this whole time about esoteric meaning which you have been refuting.

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

Early Gnosticism was influenced by PATHIESTIC and MYSTICAL cults from the east as the Church was attempting to take root.

Uh and early Christianity was (highly) influenced by paganistic Sun and Moon cults. The only difference I see is one was blindly anthropomorphic and exoteric while the other was mystical and esoteric. Oh gee, which could possibly be more meaningful. Wait, let me think.

quote:Would a Perfect all Loving God allow His Truth to be "hidden" from the masses for the last 1500 years?

Right.. would a perfect all loving god do all of this crap?
So much for that.

[a prophet]

So why is it you accept these prophets even with their downfalls and yet you do not accept Mohammed, a prophet. Even the Muslims reguard him as a prophet, they don't make any outrageous messianic claims that I'm aware of.

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

GTP,

Astral projection without the Word leads to the false notion of immoratality of the soul.

Meditation on the WORD and Jesus is what we need to focus on as Christians. Clearing your mind completely can lead to some scary stuff. Almost as scary as a gallon of milk left out overnight.

That post reminds me of my uncle's words on yoga "I do yoga with Jesus' seed in my heart. Of course the Buddhists created yoga but they could never be complete in their yoga because they were not practicing with Jesus at the center."

Pretty funny stuff [^]

Blavatsky calls sanscrit (in pretty big bold letters I believe) the language of the gods.
Of course, she also calls hebrew phallacised egyptian writing.
Don't ask me which is which. Just a recurring theme in ancient writing

Lot had sex with his two daughters. Noah got tinkle drunk. Abraham pimped Sarah to get riches from pharaoh. Hey good job patriarchs.

Aside from that the site's name is christianforums.net. HELLO BIAS.

Reading the subject title I actually thought you were being reasonable for once and admitting that other religions hold their own validity. Besides, you guys all come from Abraham, you should be buddies or something.

Sex 99.99999999% of the time is a lower desire and part of the animalistic desires in the astral (read: red, orange, yellow planes). I would be very wary of sexual desires in the astral. I believe Astral Dynamics even states that some creatures may appear as attractive members of the opposite sex as a trick or test. In that light, it's not surprising that such an encounter would turn ugly.

Allanon, I hope you take it as a compliment when I say that you're the kind of person who makes me never want to look at another disgusting piece of christian dogma ever again. Such ignorance is completely abominal. But your god teaches ignorance, dosen't he? I echo Beth's message when I say go be 'like a child' where you're not surrounded by adults please.

[the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


Man's soul DID NOT exist until you were first made physically. That is you dont have a soul that pre - existed your birth.

Actually I would think this biblical quote DISPROVES your thinking altogether instead of vice-versa. It is stating that God's breath contained man's soul in it, that man's soul did exist before it became a physical being but it existed within and as a part of God. It implies that God breaths out and propagates life, and perhaps breathes in and re-absorbes life. Once again, the quote merely implies not that man's soul did not exist before his body, but that it indeed existed as a part of god which came off of/out of god to become a living existing being.
Good job being a paradox, christianity, I mean allanon.

And thus Allanon verifies and examplifies my recent revelation as to why Christianity has become so stupidly widespread. It's because it's exactly that. A manufactured religion. It's a religion where the doctrine of laziness is taught. YOU are required to do nothing but follow some orders. Come to church. Pray mindlessley. Christianity appeals to our materialism and our laziness. We are not required to be intelligent and seek out wisdom through deep contemplation and interpretation of our beliefs. We are told to 'just believe' and 'be like a child'. We are taught symbols such as heaven, hell, god and the devil. We are made to believe that the infinite God is simple, when something like God must indeed be complex beyond all comprehension and no less so than the universe itself.

It also appeals to our insecurities. Anthropomorphic deities are solid, graspable things. An all-loving all-saving perfect man-god who will love you and accept you into his heart as one of his people. This builds up a dependency on such a symbol as a fallback. Thus, with this need instilled, christians will always come back to Jesus. It, again, restricts free thinking and independence of thought. All also clear signs of a control religion.

soulfire, not really. Aside from that, this is really the most humorously minor case of trolling I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of it.

[3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

oh, hello christianity

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

To put it simply..........

You guys are wrong.

oh really? I'm wrong that science and religion exist today and conflict each other? I'm wrong that the ancients needed no distinction between them because both were correct and actually worked together?

Hm. Guess you've been living in a different world than I have.

this is getting like Earthbound

THE POLICE ARE POSESSED BY GYGAS
PK THUNDER!!!11111

Seriously a good story of how much our society and it's idolized gods will screw a person over when they're not being babied by their religion anymore.

quote:Originally posted by ronaldo


I always find that giving me tool a good pull does the trick

lmao XD

For every eastern practitioner wannabe turned reborn christian I'd bet there were 20 deluded christians who have found their way into REAL religion and stuck it out.

What you're using as an argument for Jesus is simple psychology. I'm assuming all of these converts were raised christian or something similar. Christians are raised and taught in such a way that they are used to, even need their secure all saving all righteous god. Christianity is a religion for the weak who need a big brother figure to lean on. No wonder, then, that people with this instilled in their minds from the beginning try to delve into the ways of Eastern philosophy and fail miserably. They see nothing but the absence of a father figure that was beaten into their heads by the controlling Christian dogma. When there is no buddy jesus savior kicking devil butt and absolving you of sins - that you must work for your own self and work out your own personal demons, they can't step up. They simply cannot deal with the concept of responsibility and the lack of definite anthropomorphic figures.

Thus, they break down, fall into despair, kill themselves, etc. If this were a commonality of eastern religion, every easterner would be dead. They're not. Why? I'll give you a hint, it's not because they've never seen the saving light of Jesus. It's because they've never been predisposed to forced spiritual dependency.

Christianity is great for those materialistic men who are too busy to be spiritual, it absolves all responsibility from the participant save for attendance to services, it provides no path to seek personal truth, it just gives you your place and tells you to be there and it'll all be good. This is not the grace of god, this is the fallacy of laziness and ignorance.

Those men didn't collapse because Eastern religion is devoid of divine truth. They collapsed because they were looking outside themselves for some father figure to hand them truth, instead of looking for truth down the only real path, the one inside of them.

They may be still searching, but so are you. The Hindus may be waiting for the next age/round, but you're waiting for the second coming of christ. What if it was found that reincarnation was true? Christianity would have to change. You seem to think just because you have an athropomorphic being at the head of your religion, something tangible, graspable, something that seems more real to your phenomenalistic mind, that yours is the absolute. Quite the opposite my misguided friend.

You also appear to be trying to make the point that Christianity has the absolute truth while the other religions fail. Then explain to me why in the age of such a great absolute faith we have a polar opposite competitor of truth by the name science.
It is merely because modern religion has become so devoid of truth and sense that we have science as the logical, phenomenal counter-truth to religion. You seem to forget, o truth-seeker, that in ancient India science WAS religion and religion WAS science. Not because they were deluded and unintelligent, but because the religion of the Aryans was sufficiently logical and spiritual, it's 'truths' were all encompassing.

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