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quote:If you "slapped something together" that works, for free, why don't you tell people about it here, I'm sure everyone will want to know. Everyone is looking for something that will really, truly help.

I did. Whoever wanted it - got it. It basically uses scheduling similar to Holosync's (the carrier frequency, however, is also scheduled and goes down to 80Hz) and incorporates neutral Hemi-Sync style background instead of "bells and whistles", which annoyed the hell out of me.

quote:the Monroe stuff isn't cheap either.

For $20 you can get the Transcendence CD, which is good for general meditation, and is functionally equivalent (but technically more elaborate) to Holosync - The Dive, less the annoying bells.
For another $20 you can get Deep 10 Relaxation CD, which is good for general sleep, and deep meditation. Functionally equivalent to Holosync - Immersion.
(Note that I'm talking about non-verbal versions)

Alternatively, for $35 you could get the Awakened Minds - Deep Meditation CD, which is functionally equivalent to Holosync - The Dive + Immersion.

Alternatively, you could get BWG and experiment to your liking, creating as many levels as you want. FOR FREE.

I'm curious - which Hemi-Sync materials have you tried?

I've worked with what I described above and have had similar results with any of it, (although I haven't had the chance to take the AwakenedMinds "apart" to see what's inside, nor have I tried BrainSync). But that's just me. Also, I think that Holosync "program" is just a scheme to suck money out of people's pockets. But of course, thats just my worthless uneducated opinion.

The bottom line is, is something works for YOU, stick with it.

quote:It is similar to the Monroe technology but better.

Correction: they claim it is better, but in reality it is not better or worse than Hemi-Sync or Awakened Minds, or the thing that I slapped together for myself for free, or any other binaural signal operating in delta frequencies. The only difference is that it costs 10 times more, which creates an illusion that it somehow should be better, which is amplified by their shameless claims. I mean if something costs more, its gotta be better, right? []

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I should also add that I make such statements based on the knowledge available to me from spending hours performing signal analysis of these products and days of listening and comparing what was available to me, but then again: WTF do I know?

[beavis]

beavis

quote:Wavelengths between .5-4 feet. Amplitude up to 6 inches. Speed about 3 meters/sec.

...from which we can conclude your vibrations were of 2.5 to 20 Hz, which appears to be exceptionally low. My vibes, for example, are in the order of kHz.

Rule of thumb: anything out of the ordinary F1 is good! []
Do raise more energy and do relax more.

One can never be too much relaxed. If you have very small muscle tensions level of, say, 0.2 iotas, you can half that, and then half it further, then half it again, etc. Logarithmically speaking, there is no reachable absolute relaxation "bottom".

If you feel that at some point you cannot relax more, concentrate on the other things - breathing, energy flow, thoughts (or lack thereof), etc. After some time the relaxation floor will lower, and you will be able to deepen your relaxation again. At some point you will become aware of the vibrations (as opposed to vibrations starting), which means you're half-way there.

[pmlonline]

I'm complete ignoramus when it comes to karmic issues, but my viewpoint is the following: the actions performed in the past cannot be undone; however, the past may be "destroyed" if we let go of it, and release that useless baggage where it belongs - in the past, such that it no longer occupies our minds, while we concentrate on the future.

pmlonline, on the other hand, has come here and stirred the past and pulled it into present, spawning new discussions on the old topics, and blah blah blah... This, methinks, defeats the purpose of "destroying the past".

But then, of course, what the fck do I know?

I cannot answer your question, but what the hell is that wavy thing?

Any kind of fear is effectively neutralized by related knowledge. Read the books on the subject of AP (R. Monroe, R. Bruce), browse around the forum, etc.

If you need more guidance, try Hemi-Sync Gateway series - it takes you through the process with baby-steps, although since you are "natural", I doubt you'll need that.

To answer your last question - there isn't a single shred of evidence that AP is dangerous and/or harmful. (other than you might end up in a nut-house if you go around talking to people about your experiences).

With envy to all natural OBE bastards [],

alt0xFF

P.S. Forgot to add: using "4" instead of "for", "2" instead of "to", and other similar shorthand is bad for your karma - you can end up in hell for doing that.

"you could be really nice to Mr. Hermit, so that he pukes!" - err... I thought there was a law against cruel and unusual punishment, ne?

I knew you were e-e-evil! []

<wondering>Where are all the moderators?</wondering>

"i think i had an obe of some sort because my alarm went off but i dont remember physically turning it off"

The alarm went off; you turned it off and thought "I'm gonna nap for another 2 minutes", and off you go. Happens to me all the time unless I put a note "don't you dare going back to sleep" on the alarm clock.

T_Kman0610, stick with Occam's Razor, because that kind of objectivism won't get you far.

Lol the good old "why is nobody replying?" attitude.
Relax, its normal. Maybe simply nobody has got anything to say.

On the topic: in my opinion, that article is weak. First of all, the size can be cut in half without losing any info. Second, the author appears to be aquianted with the subject of abductions on a very shallow level, as the actual PHYSICAL abductions involve witnesses, UFO sightings, residual UFO-related physical phenomena, and physical effects on the subject's body. NON-PHYSICAL abductions, however, mostly involve SP-type scenario, where the abductors simply come into subject's bedroom out of nowhere. In-depth case-study of non-physical abductions bears some cross-validatable data that does not allow the experience to be simply dismissed as hallucination, although in some/most cases that is exactly what that is.

The author also mentions that the paralysis mechanism is hormonal. Is that so? In that case why when you wake a person during any sleep cycle, the SP effect wears off instanteneusly? Wouldn't it take at least several seconds for the body to react if the paralysis is caused by a hormone?

"Tip: Avoid dehydrated varieties of onions and garlic. Some have claimed that this has helped decrease chances of sleep paralysis." - did they use control group?

P.S. A quick google search has confirmed that the author is not qualified to make conclusions on either of the subjects.
http://www.authorfind.com/authors/1155.html

If do not want to be mislead, I suggest everybody to listen to the experts specializing in the particular field you are interested in, whatever it might be, rather than to jacks of all trades writing to make a quick buck.

1. Read "Astral Dynamic" by Robert Bruce - it is a how-to manual on OBEs.

2. Using shorthand (2 instead of "to", 4 instead of "for", etc) is bad for your karma. Really. You don't want to end up in some lower astral rings after you get out, whether temporarily or permanently, do you?

3. Look up the definitions of "their" "there" and "they're".

You think I'm full of sheet? Well if you read Tisha's essay on OBEs, you will see that you need your moral character to be at least as good as Jesus Christ's to OBE repeatedly, and good writing manners is the first step in that direction.

Its alt0b11111111 []

Castaneda is a good read, but only in conjunction with supplementary material. I don't think its a good standalone source.

I think "Journeys out of the body" is good, precisely for the reason you have mentioned. He didn't know precisely what's going on at the time, which makes the description of experience more accurate with respect to what an OBE newbie is likely to experience, which makes it easier for the subject to relate to the material. This is also a required read for those that are going to read his books #2 and #3. Otherwise it appears way too wild and hard to swallow.

Its the same way that you need to learn and understand classical mechanics, which is "wrong", before you try to learn and understand relativism, which is "less wrong" than classical mechanics.

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

1. They will not know you are APing - its going to look as if you dozed off.

2. Do not spawn more than one topic per day - its bad for your karma. I tell you!

1. Read "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce. (mandatory)
2. Read "Journeys Out of the Body" by Robert A. Monroe. (mandatory)
3. Read "Far Journeys"  by Robert A. Monroe (optional)
4. Read "Ultimate Journey" by Robert A. Monroe (optional)

5. Start practicing and search the forum for additional info on tips and techniques.

First you need to validate that the previous kid is indeed the guilty party - try to find info and/or contact that family and gently probe the ground.

"Psychic Defence" by Robert Bruce MAY contain (I haven't read it) relevant information regarding how to protect your kid from the mean bastard.

Members of the board more experienced with that sort of thing will hopefully give you more useful pointers on your issue.

The procedure to get a person out of trance is equivalent to getting a person out of normal sleep.

1. Say the name of the person quietly.
2. If no success, repeat louder.
3. If no success, gently touch the person by the hand or leg.
4. If no success, gently shake the person by the hand or leg.
5. If no success, shake harder.
6. If no success, slap the person around.
7. If no success, repeat 6 and pour cold water on the face.
8. I'm running out of ideas here.

P.S. You rarely need to move past #1.

Sleep paralysis is exactly what you want, really []
I was badly suffering from it, but now I'm working hard to reproduce it.

In any case, if you are in SP and you need to gain control of your physical body, here is what you need to do:
1. Remain calm. If you are terrified, because you will probably feel some "evil presence" remember that this is normal, and it is most probably mere hallucination.
2. Gain control of your smaller muscles - wiggle your toes, fingers; move your physical eyes and tongue. After that it is pretty easy to gain control over extremities.

Simple - just keep it to yourself.
I bet most of people here keep our "hobby" to ourselves.
I don't want people to think that I'm some sort of crazy psycho... wait.. they already do!

There is a certified hypnotist lurking around - hunt him down.

hypnagogic you mean?

The fact that binaural technology is not a placebo is scientifically proven. Perceptually similar effect can be achieved by modulation, and if you give one group of people binaural signal, and the other one a modulated one, they will hear the same thing, but the EEGs will show the difference.

Speaking of dependency on that thing. If you provide an audible binaural signal, the brain has no problem modulating it. The signal, in a sense, FORCES the brain into synchronization. However, if you provide a masked signal just above the hearing threshold, you will hear that the modulated signal is irregular and sporratic - the brain works hard on trying to construct the modulated signal. So the masked signal, in a sense, GUIDES the brain into synchronization. So in the first case you might become dependent on the signal, while in the second case your brain will learn to synchronize by itself. That is why I stay wary of audible unmasked binaural signals, even though the immediate effect is more apparent (as reported by some BWG users). Note however, that the above paragraph is my speculation - I'm by no means an expert, just good at theorizing []

To be honest, I haven't been able to reach vibrational state on my way down, despite trying virtually everything. I have problem sustaining deep trance, so I've made this recording so it would take me down to delta, so that my only job would be simply to ride along and not fall asleep (which is still pretty difficult) I do not use it as "thing to get OBE", but as a tool that would help me to learn to go deep, and what thats where OBEs happen.

I had to make it, because I can't listen for any of the BWG presets for more than 10 seconds without cringing, let alone relaxing. It works not better or worse than any other similar thing, but it sounds more neutral and transparent, which is an important factor to me.