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Namaste,
    you know, its a bit screwed that when someone post in the energy body developement forum; a post that is rational, thoughtful and designed to initiate critical analysis and scientific experimentation and exploration...nobody barely looks at the post....let alone even reply.  maybe the title is not explicit enough...i will try that and see what happens.

Namaste,
   something interesting to add to the context of "apolyptic thought".  has anyone ever read "Catastrophobia" by Barbara Hand Clow?  pretty new-agey, but she presents a very interesting theory about all the apocalyptic hootananay.  she hypothesizes that some time ago, about 15,000 years or so, there was a global environmental catastrophe, the last ice age it was i believe...but that's not the point...bible=great flood, you know, some great horrible end of the world all life caput scenario, it is present in many many cultures mythologies around the globe.  also there are other catastrophies that she tries to connect to other religious and historical documents that are way more recent, aka=destruction of the minoans.  but anyway, these global catastrophic events have basically thrown humanity back to the stone age.  she believes (and there is lots of archeological evidence to support this); that humans were much much more advanced in technology, philosophy, religion, culture, art etc etc, and then we were nearly wiped out.  after generations of survival living, humans are now trying to piece together what the hell happened...and we all have a deeply deeply buried unconscious racial memory of global cataclsym(sp?)....we have had no way to get over the trauma, cause we dont even remember it, as a species...and so like all trauma survivors, we attack that which we felt hurt us(nature) and try to reproduce the traumatic event so that we may find meaning and integration in our collective emotional body....thus certain temporal rulers seen hellbent on trashing the planet ecosystem and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.  by the way, much of ms.clow's theories are based on a really great book called "Hamelt's Mill" by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend, which i am making my way through now...so many scandanavian names....[xx(]

Namatste,
    Maybe you are just not so good at telling jokes, Mustardseed? []  Seriously though, please accept my apologies for being so aggressive, I certainly could have expressed my views with a bit more clarity.  As far as that goes, I don't agree with any of you.  For me, it is not a matter of "political correctness"...the use of such a term is part and parcel of the kind of socialized and conditioned relating that we all participate on one level of conscious awareness or on levels of subsconscious motivation.  These levels of imprinting run far deeper that most people are aware of.  And Shadow, being african-american really doesn't mean much to me.  And that is the point, it really didn't have much to do with race per se, that caught my attention, and I am very serious in saying that it is very possible that I would not have decided anything was there to see if the joke was told in a different way.  What got to me was, it seemed to me, and still very much does, is the extreme unawareness of the contexts....how things relate and connect....No hard feelings I hope?  Namaste Ya'll []

Namaste,
    its nice to share humor with people...i understand that.  but when that humor is gained at anothers expense....really, mustardseed, there are so very many unsaid assumptions within the subtext of your "joke" that it really is disgusting.  maybe on a conscious level, you meant no harm nor offense, but please think about this...that what you stated in essence, is that because many people of african descent within the united states speak in a manner indicative of illiteracy and ignorance; and the joke is that they are even "non-divine" because there is a link(within the context of the assumptions of the joke)between their(as a stereotyped "black" people)ignorance and how they are unlike God.  I can totally dig really intense religious jokes, jokes about death, maiming, torture...hell, I can have a really dark sense of humor when I choose...but IMHO it is intelligent.  Humor that pokes fun of stereotypes by creating a context in which that stereotype is exemplified by a character within the joke is quite fine....but the joke you told there is no context but to indicate by induction that blacks are not like god.  let me know what you think, namaste

[!]  that is really ignorant.  [V] WTF??

Namaste,
    i read an article a while back about mr.icke and his connections to very right wing(neo-nazi type)activist organizations...it was in reference to him coming to B.C. in Canada to do a seminar and the booking and promos for him were done by some right-wing group....i will look really hard for the article...anyone else hear anything about this stuff??  on his views, i think the reptilian thing could be looked at as an actual manifestation of "aliens among us"; or maybe it is a way of saying that most of the human species is being manipulated to constantly run in the "fight or flight" mode.  limbic region of the brain, which runs this process, i've heard called the reptilian brain...hmmm....

Namaste,
    and whoa....its not really that big of a deal []  now, take a deep breath and relax.  these energies that you are working with are not uncommon xander.  all of what i am saying is my opinion and nothing more, take it for what you will.  if you find anything useful, excellent!, if not, no skin off our proverbial backs []  when i say that it is not such a big deal, i am really trying to shock you into a radically different perspective for a moment.  a view a thousand miles up, so to speak.  or spanning a thousand years....imagine a thousand years....millions of lives coming into existence and falling under the sway of Kama en masse....an endlessly pulsating rythem(sp?) of life and death....sometimes it just helps to see things a little differently for a moment.  
     from my experience xander, what you are potentially dealing with is a karmic issue.  before i say anything more, please be sure to use strong discernment regarding what i say as far as whether or not it resonates with you, try not to accept anything outright as a truth, just be willing to explore...and vice versa.  it is very possible that your and your "mom" have very deep karmic ties to each other.  meaning many lives spent in close contact playing out the various roles of human interaction...and this can be a problem...knowledge and awareness of the past can be harmful or helpful...for example, potential: previous life incarnation, you played out the role of husband with this persona who is playing at being your mother in this life...maybe you cheated on her or let her down in some terrible way in a past life(I AM NOT PLACING BLAME); and now she runs upon this deeply held unconscious drive at placing blame upon you for all that has gone wrong in her life??  this is a common theme in many many peoples interpersonal karmic dramas...lovers, friends, children, etc, etc.  
     now before you think that i am a "blame it on my past lives" junkie, there is such a multiplicty to life...many many times the wounds that we carry from life to life, tend to manifest themselves over and over within each life...so for example, while the karmic issues mentioned above may be true, it may also be true that your mom has experience some tremendous trauma in this life, and as so often happens, she is passing on the poison of her un-healed wounds to you.  this is the most grounded place and imho the "best" place to start; with a loving, understanding soul of a counsellor who can help to take you into a safe space within yourself so that you can hear your inner child and you wise man.  they hold the truth and the keys.  lastly, we come to the possibility of the "negative entity" scenario, which is so popular here....sure!  it is just as much a reality that some kind of bleh though-form or "entity" if you must, to your mom, and helps to perpetuate the flow and stagnancy of her energetic body...but this really needs to be understood in relation to the other three first...especially the 2nd.  without the understanding of how we, and others feel, here, now...we will eternally be chasing shadows and demons, mistaking our own tail for them.  this issues, particularly with mother/son energetic challenges can be really difficult to work with...a really good book that i can recommend that helped me to see myself as a stronger "man", and a spiritual being at the same time was Robert Bly's "Iron John"; it's excellent imo.  much love, namaste

Namaste,
    Crimind, you are going to get your degree in criminal psych, right?  I think that is beautiful!  We very much need people like yourself, who have lived a reality that incorporates spirits, entities and other non-physical energies in places of authority.  But there is SOO much responsibility with that...as I am sure you have felt before...Again, when I suggest counselling, it is in the same vein.  For example, you said that the doctors you went to see simply chalked up your experiences to a form of self-delusion or schizophrenia.  They had no understanding of the multiverse of human experience, material AND non-material.  Both happen at the same time.  This is really my perspecitive.  I do believe that the attacks and other painful experiences are very real for you, and that is all that matters.  So, when I suggest counselling, I am suggesting to open your heart and mind to that person or group that HAS that understanding that the experiences that you live through are REAL for you!  And that should be all that matters.  Counsellors who will NOT throw medication down your throat and have an awareness of energy...this is the kind of person that helped me.  Help me what?  Find a point of reference, and through finding a point of reference, balance.  As I have said, for me, my experiences were VERY real and tremendously painful at times.  But I have learned about how I do play an active role in the drama I call "my life".  This is where I have to stop...because I can't be your counsellor.  In my humble opinion, counselling is a very sacred process to take place in a SAFE SAFE space....advice is what you will find in these forums....I truely wish I could help you more.  I wish you the best in all you do. God Bless You and May the Spirits come to Your Aid in your Darkest Hour.  Namaste, In'Lakech, Yacunah

i was a bit flustered....my sincerity carried me away and my previous post should read, and i quote, Chapter 1 Verse 7: "TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN PUT GOD, THIS "THING" THAT NOBODY KNOWS OR TRUELY UNDERSTANDS, IN A BOX, LABEL IT AND BUILD UP A RIDICULOUS FRAMEWORK OF RITUAL, MAGICK, PIETY AND WHATEVER OTHER JUNK AROUND AND ON TOP OF IT, AND THEN CLAIM NOBODY ELSE WILL FIND IT UNLESS THE DIG THROUGH YOU OWN SPECIAL S**T PILE...IS.."  thanks again for bearing with the whole flaming thing, i just felt the Holy Ghost, Batman!  HEEHEE i am having a difficult time stopping this barrage of sarcasm aimed at the judeo-christian dogma and religion in general....bye

Namaste,
    OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!!!!!  HELLLLLOOOOOO!!!! OUT THERE!!!!!  HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THE CONCEPT OF THE PARADOX???  THIS IS WHEN TWO CONTRADICTORY THINGS ARE, I REPEAT, ARE TRUE.  THIS IS THE NATURE OF NATURE.  NETI, NETI......GET IT!!!  GOD IS ALL AND NOTHING.  YOU AND NOT YOU.  INSIDE YOU AND OUTSIDE YOU.  CHRISTIANITY IS THE, YES THE ONLY WAY TO GOD!!!  AND SO IS FRIGGIN CONTEMPLATING YOUR DAMN NAVEL!!  GOD IS NOT LOGICAL.  LOGIC IS ONLY A TOOL OF THE MIND.  TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND GOD, PUT GOD, THIS "THING" THAT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS OR TRUELY UNDERSTANDS...IS [word edited out by moderator] ARROGANT.  DIDN'T SOMEONE GET KICKED OUT OF THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VERSION OF "HEAVEN" FOR THAT VERY SIN?  i sincerely apologize for the ridiculous flaming....[xx(]

Namaste,
    i have had some interesting synchronistic stuff in my life and in my research that has led me a couple of times to consider the possibility that all white people are a result of extraterrestrial/human hybridization.  as i said, they are synchronistic, so in scientific terms, purely anectdotal(sp?).  any ideas on this one?  []

namaste everybody []
          i am relatively reluctant to re-engage in this thread...but i am doin it so i will not complain further []
    imho, everyone is right.  period.  it is a matter of personal truth.  no single person can "hold" or "contain" Truth.  No one!!  no one can "know" Truth with a capital T.  i am using "know" in the context of debate, where ideas of right and wrong can become predominante where words like factual and appropriate should be.  to "know" really means to be "one with".  so no single person can claim to be at one with THE TRUTH!.  the isnt even any such thing....
   anyway, my opinion of the psychic attacks stuff is multidimensional.  i have lived through the stuff.  for me, that is one of the major points...those people dont bother me at all anymore!!  i dont view my experiences as only being outside myself...although they certainly were!!  and i dont view them as being just a figment of my imagination, so to speak.  they were both.  such deep deep psychospiritual and karmic issues were happening to me on a level that i was not completly conscious of.  and this is one of the reasons that i suggested a good, loving therapuetic counselling type thing; because it was only AFTer i was able to look deep within myself and understand how I was responsible for those events in my life, i found the strength to see myself no longer as a victim of the fates.  but this is my truth in my life and not necessarily for anyone else.  as i posted before, my partner said something i feel was very wise; "are you content with where you are?".......hhmmmm...maybe a metaphor?  if you find yourself trapped in a well and someone throws down a rope or some other metaphorical item for possible help...do you debate with that person about how the rope (or whatever) is not going to help??  i dont know if you guys have tried counselling...if you have, have they been people who are aware of energy, spirits and other aspects of a spiritual universe?  or have they been materialists??  finding the right person that can help you feel safe and find out what you are feeling inside and how you are responsible for your own life is really really important.  and it goes to the same kind of thing...if you truly are open to such possibilities that person, group or whatever it is that is gonna help you help yourself will find you!!  much love, namaste

ps-arakara, i really like the crystal weapons!!  about a year ago i was given very similar info from a crystal about how to make "light-sabre"-esqe things...very cool []

Namaste,
    thats more like it!!!  (i was initially very discouraged by some of the goings on there as i just joined the forum recently [])
  Something that i have noticed in this thread and in others in which you(Beth) have shared your knowledge of the "biblical" times...particularly around the birth of the christ cults(peters church i include in that group [])....is, at first glance, an expressed bias toward christianity as a whole movement and an subtley expressed antagonism toward the more *sic* temporal powers of the era, the Roman State....please don't take offense [:I] there is quite enough of that goin around.  i mention this (my initialy impression) as an exploratory process for myself, to understand better where you are coming from....more on that later []
   to fill in some gaps...i am 'relatively' (i make no claim to scholarship) learned of the history of the gnostic cults, that there were many of them, and that many of them were not oriented toward 'christ' symbolism.  there were still schools of platonic though up until around 500ad?  the isians were some of the more established mystery schools at that time....am also fairly familiar with mitraism, and how much of the significant moments within mithras life (such as his birthdate) have been superimposed into the jesus model...like jesus being born in a manger(sp?)(sometimes words just dont look right, ya know?).  
    im gonna use the mithra connection to branch a bit, because there are examples of the church not only "hijacking" the religious symbols, and even central archetypes of other religions during those crazy days of its birth pangs as a state religion...WHOA!!!!! HOLY excrement!!  no pun intended!!!!  we just stated it in the last posts!!!  CHRISTIANITY AS WE KNOW IT, FROM ITS VERY INCEPTION, was MADE to BE A TOOL OF STATE CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!  sorry bout the flamin.  the mystical origins of the possibility of a real person named jesus who was a mystic trained in egypt and who knows where else in magick and sorcery, has very little to do with the Romanized church.  it was a collaberation between constantine and the jews!!  I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC []  but some information that i have come across is that many many of the semitic peoples within Rome at the time of constantine's rule were very learned people!  the days of persecution(which other sources state that the persecution of early christians is pretty marginal=caligula is an example of someone who went out of his way mess with them...but then again, was that a policy of oppression or a madman's whim?...is there a difference?!) of the christians were well past and now the christians were doing it to others in turn.  As you said Beth, rome was certainly not the former glory it once was....and many of the local magistrates and judges(i am nearly certain those are not the proper names for the local legislative funtionaries within rome at that time, but you get the idea [])were in those places, as jews? because they had preserved culturally a tremendous source of power=the ability to read and write.  nobody flay me for these statements.  i dont know how reliable this information is regarding "jews"(its almost feels antisemitic just writing that...weird)...and i am very open to correction in these matters, so...[]  more acurately, constantine made a deal with the orthodoxy and the rest is history....

 ok, moving away from growth through clash of views....you mentioned that mithaism was a bit to male and christianity suited constantines needs a little better because it included women...are you sure?  what were the predominate perspectives regarding the role of women in judaic/early christian church doctrine?  i think....and please forgive cause its a difference of opinion again and i was trying to explore on common ground...that the idea that christianity appealed to constantine can be looked at in a couple of ways...wasnt constantine's wife famous in her own right?  from what i remember, she was a social activist of sorts, and fought for much legislation about education of the general population and other egalitarian themes?  if this is true, then the christianity/women=alluring to constantine could either be supported or angled against.  surely the presence of such a self-possessed, aware and powerful female who had express interest in state policy, would have surely influenced constantine on the issue of selecting a cult to elevate to the status of national religion.  and if so, what were her views?  if the early christian church was so avante guard as to be defenders of womens rights (must be considered in a relative context to things such as hassidic judaism and the warrior cult of mithras)...her vote would seem relatively self evident...hmmm....but maybe it made no difference whatsoever and the connection of womens lib=early christian church+roman state=more people to control....is mute??  why? maybe because of the possibility that it was the Roman State itself that was the most tolerant of the idea of women exercising personal power in the arenas of state policy??  one more question on this note...if the early romanized church(300ad or so and all)was liberal in its policies regarding women...what happened?

    my next thoughts are all pretty closely connected...in short: legitimacy(read=historical accuracy)of NT Cannon
the theoretical exploration of the intentions of the early romanized church fathers within the context of Nicea.
the philosophical implications of the application of the "secret knowledge must be kept secret because the ignorant will corrupt its message".(in a nutshell, and yes, i think that within that philosophical premise it is a veritable playground of possible subtle permutations of linguistic paths to different interpretations of meaning)  to begin(sometimes i feel so stuffy..[^]), there are many many errors of time, place and character within the various books of the new testament.  whole events are left out in certain books and the, really ridiculous amount of contradiction in the sequential flow of time and space(as far as we can perceive in our relatively shared 3d stage)are glaring, and i can see where you can see this as an attempt by some present at the council as an attempt to retain most of the original texts..(not saying this is your view, i am making an assumption about how you may see it)...if this is the case, i look at it upside down and see the alice in wonderland-esque flow of events within the NT cannon as a direct result of the tremendous amount of redaction that had to take place to make those texts fit within the ideological framework of the church.  
  the theoretical explorations of the potential mental space that those priests and bishops were in is...difficult at best.  i dont really resonate at all with the "altruistic protector" view of these men...Augustine was an educated man regarding these cults as a CIA agent might be today educated about various potential threats to the policies of the USA, whether those potential threats come in the form of an armed paramilitary group or street protestors with puppets...they are learned about the enemy...and i really feel that is a strong possibility that that very same mental space was a good deal contributing to their individual world view....those cultist WERE HERETICS AND SINNERS after all???  
   lastly, the philosophical belief that you project that these men potentially held, thus a justification, or at the very best a rationalization? for the actions taken at nicea.  to rehash in my own words...."people are stupid and we have to protect them from themselves"....i feel very strongly about this view as a fear-based and misguided rationalization for a deeper psychological need to control others.  i feel that this is true today...and we can certainly see how this view is present in nearly every one of the united states administrative cabinet...keep the info from the people for "national security"....this is the same philosophical premise and is uncomfortably close to the ideas of "divine kingship by bloodlines".......which is very very very very interesting.....have you read any books by michael baigent and richard leigh???  or lynn picknett and clive prince??  ps-please dont dismiss me or my perspectives because i cite those authors...the are not very respected in the US and regardless, i do take all things with a grain of salt []  thanks for listening again, i look forward to your feedback, namaste

namaste,
   i would like to ask some questions in the spirits of this threads title.  i asked this question in another thread and i realized a little too late that it was an inapropriate thread for it.  my question was to beth in specific because beth, you have exhibited the most intellingent and coherent knowledge of the origins of ancient christianity.  my question can be answered by anyone of course, who may have some input.  what can you tell me of the nicea council?  from what i understand of this pivitol historical event, it took place in the time period around the rule of constantinople? when christianity was becoming the state religion and the roman empire was rapidy becoming "holy" [}:)]  in my understanding, the council was a religious editing orgy.  there had been a strong movement within the church of peter to catalog and assess the various christ-cults(gnostic schools) that were thriving at the time...from the little research i have done these things are true and was it valentinius who was martyred(sp?....so the tensions for religious supremacy in the region were very real and intense....not forgetting that there was no such thing as separation of church and state until very very recently.....what is next is MY suppositions as to the potential detailing of motive and context....and and then the orthodox(meaning narrow-mind right?)church proceeded to marginalize them(various gnostic schools) through a campaign of fear-mongering, violent persecution(in some cases) and an all out propoganda war.  this propoganda war was what the nicea council was about?  it was about finding taking the massive catalogs of sacred texts and using them in the following ways-either dismissing them outright as heresy(if the content of said text did not fit in with the "party line" of the orthodox church); suppressing knowledge of a text(usually happened in conjunction with the first option); if the text in question was found to be useful, it would then have been edited and certain anomalous facts or passages glossed over or cut out altogether.  with the remaining texts that were considered useful, they were spliced together to for the NEW TESTAMENT CANON!!!!  DUNDUNDUN!!!!! [}:)]  is a theory.  my theory based upon the independant research i have done over the years.  when do ya'll think?  if these things are true, and much of these things i have stated we have actual archeological evidence for...then at the very least, modern day christianity is a series of texts manipulated and hijacked for a group of people to consolidate their status as burgeoning temporal powers....but it gets stickier...because, if you look at many, nearly ALL of the texts that were suppressed regarding the beautiful rainbow of cultural mishmosh that was the gnostic schools....most of these texts SPEAK IN THE VERY SAME OCCULT LANGUAGE as Beth mentioned earlier......AND!!!...the messages in nearly all of these texts...once the language keys, the esoteric symbolism is deciphered...repeat an essential message that would have been very very threatening to and group of people wishing to wield power over others...it is a message of SELF-EMPOWERMENT....GOD IS WITHIN YOU/YOU ARE GOD.  looked at with these hypothesis....modern day christianity then becomes less of a religion in a spiritually meaningful sense, it becomes a framework for MASS CONTROL.  the indoctrination and control of hundreds of years of human lives by telling them that someone or something outside of themselves is the ONLY way to salvation.  it is sick.  but now we have shopping......[V]

Very patient and lucid post Beth, kudos [] If i may ask a question though?  you made referrence to a comment that you made previously about the bible being a work of "fiction", in marked contrast to the idea that it is a "lie".  after you have given us the common dictionary definition of those two terms, I really wonder if the term "lie" is more appropriate that "fiction".  This is for the NT cannon only.  I feel that the OT and related Semitic works contain esoteric stories that contain a people's heritage of mystery wisdoms.  The reasoning behind my questioning of the term lie being more applicable to the NT cannon is really based on what i know of the Nicea council.  From what i understand, this was convocation of leading priests and bishops that came together to create the NT.  in essence creating a mythos of the man named jesus, specifically for purposes of deception and control of the general populus.  many gnostic texts of varying schools where circulating within the region and the Romanized Church was looking for a way to really consolidate and solidify its power base.  During that time many gnostic texts and schools were dubbed "heretics" and not of the "orthodoxy".  interestingly enough, many of the works that were subsequently banned were texts dealing with the INNER nature of PERSONAL SALVATION....so my questions is, can you help to illuminate the nature of the Nicea Council, what it was really for, either confirming what i understand to be a relative historical fact, or let me know what i have received that is incorrect about this important event in western religious history.  thank you again for your lucid and thoughtful sharing of your knowledge

Namaste,
    hey ya'll.  i dont really know where to begin...nearly every statement made, darkight, i have a slightly different view.  and i guess that is the point.  i didnt want to bring up my experience because it is different from yours.  yes, there are parallels and through those we can learn those archetypal lessons about self and other...and i dont really resonate with ideas of "mastery"...learning never stops....its ok if you feel that i am missing something huge...we are all working toward wholeness.  i have not asked you to tell me what you think i am missing though...and i have not offered this to others.  i felt, initially, because of my experience that i could offer a possibility.  "there might be something over there that could help you".  a suggestion.  that suggestion being one of emphasizing the power of connecting to others, not going it alone.  this was in the context of counselling.  from what i understand, some people felt very uncomfortable with this suggestion and thus intiated debate of the philosophical vantage point leading to differing perceptions of the merit of various routes to healing.  something i realized last night...i have been quite foolish.  i wish both you and crimind the best in all you do.  i send love and light and prayers that your lives are filled with joy and wonder!  thank you again for your love and passion and patience.  with that this is a closed topic for me, although i will take time to listen to you replies if presented.  Namaste and Great Spirit Bless

namaste ya'll! [8D]
            i wanted to clear up two things from my last post.  (do i have anything better to do? [] )  first is that i actually read a book on psychic defense by dion fortune so the commments attributed to alice bailey should go to dion.  although i do know a bit about bailey and am not too impressed. []  also, i said that i did understand in my last comment.  i do.  literally.  i really am reluctant to speak about my experiences with psychic attack.  why?  because especially in a context such as this, things can just get too sketchy...assumptions, misunderstanding...a bunch of poo.  in short i was briefly(a few months)the "captive"(physically) of a cult.  its not so important that i experienced or should experience some horrible and similar experience so that i can "know your pain".  but how i can to start on a path to healing.  for me, that is the most important thing.  and i simply find that those who express distress because of the situations that they find painful, seem to be really close-minded in hearing the "wisdoms" shared with them about healing.  i have seen some very amazing, crazy and down right frightening stuff...magickal battles, zombies, mind control...its just a bunch of crap.  relative to our humanity and how we can be more whole, emotionally aware and agile humans.  love is life.  

Namaste,
    please forgive me...i really feel the need to clear the air of a few misconceptions.  crimind, i know that you stated within your post that it was to no one in particular and i do understand.  but for all intents and purposes, i am going to respond to your post AS IF you had been addressing me, although i know you were not singling me out. []  first off, i feel there are some really strong misconceptions and assumptions that have been repeating themselves in regards to my perception of you and yours.  i will do my best to communicate these things more clearly.  to begin, i have never stated nor implied the idea of enjoying an attack of some sort...although it is an interesting perspective...one help by purveyors of a masochistic view of things.  pain=pleasure and all that jazz.  perhaps the phrase "Freudian Slip"? applies here?  to continue...i also never stated nor implied that attacks do not exist.  violence of all sorts is i feel a part of nominal reality.  and i certainly did not question how real your attacks were to you.  i was, and continue to look at things from a different perspective.  on we go....i have mentioned counselling quite a few times and referred to it as a potent healing process.  especially for those who have been through the process of psychic attack.  i have not once mentioned medication.  i DO NOT agree with the whole of the basis of western allopathic medicine.  it reeks of corruption, greed and cruelty and the pharmacuetical industry is a prime example of these twisted virtues.  it would be extraordinarily unlikey that i would even think of suggesting that someone take pharms to achieve any kind of balance.  one two, here we go!  i also never labeled anyone.  in this context, labels aren't really useful.  they tend to dehumanize when human understanding is needed most.  this is the third time someone has mentioned that someone has been trying to label them in conjunction with counselling....again, maybe you are projecting you own hidden predjudices onto others??  thank you for not being here to solely attack my ego []  you have said that you are here looking for people who have wisdom and understanding to share....again, i say, is it possible that that wisdom, compassion and understanding is present...maybe it is not immediately recognizable as such??  all that glitters is certainly not gold.......lastly...alice bailey...i have read her book on psychic defense...it has some nifty anecdotes in it, but not much of practical use.  other phenomena you mention...telepathy, psychic weapons and whatnot....so what??  not really a big deal.  look at the quote again at the end of my posts....think about it....ps....i do understand. []

[:O] [!] [] [V]  not cool.

metal ice, what you have said, i feel, is an example of an attack on someones character.  it would make just as much sense if someone called you some other ridiculous name or label.  it has NO PLACE HERE.  Please post with the respect that you would have others accord to you.  Live by the sword, die by it.  its a metaphor.....[]

sorry that i posted bout christianity....the debate should be elsewhere.  my apologies.  

imho, the bible is not just filled with "mistakes" due to the incompetancy of, or personal perspective of, scribes through the ages....although the latter would be closer to what i understand as historical truth...divide the bible in half.  old testament=predominately judaic and semitic thought, belief, mythology, esoteric and exoteric teaching.  new testament=a relatively complete fabrication of history for the purposes of control of the masses.  many of the texts you reference are dated post-nicea council!!!  hello!!! []  i think there may be some truth to the idea that present day christians(of the temperment that actually try and follow the supposed teachings of "Jesus") are misled gnostics.  [:O]  sometimes i am harsh...[]  just my opinion.

Namaste, []
       i am having to reread your post a few times darknight...i definitely have some questions, and i am also excited to hear such potential insight []  no insult intended.  it is potential to me as of yet because i don't think that i fully understand what you were trying to communicate....your first statement leaves me wondering about the whole of the rest of your post...it is an affirmation, in totality of my view...then you go on to describe that, (from what i gather) it is my arrogance, guised in good intention that is preventing me from truely seeing some essential shared quality of yours and crims situations that could be a magic key??  i use such a rought metaphor because of my lack of understanding of your perception.  a couple of things that i may tentatively address?  the idea that the (P)aradox is simply present in all things...i feel, is an axiom.  A universal Truth, if i may be so...brash?  i feel this paradox is represented beautifully within the mayan word "yacunah"-meaning-"love AND suffering(as occuring TOGETHER); the inescapable poingancy(sp?)of BEING.  for me, this IS the paradox that is ever present.  Love is always there, and is Hate or suffering.  BALANCE, although, is not always ever-present.  if anything is to be cultivated, it is balance.  the scales are constantly flowing back and forth within the tai-chi, yin and yang.  if you choose to see one as being greater or even eclipsing the other, then that is your CHOICE.  being one of the key ideas that i use in applying my own personal perspective.  Love is all around, in a sense, like so much mana [] for me, it is only if you CHOOSe to see it.  and with that relatively harsh statement--the teachings of buddha, jesus and their crew!  i am going to *assume* that you are referring to the idea of compassion...(buddha also said "life is suffering" and jesus ended up nailed to some sticks)....for me, compassion comes in many many forms...sometimes when i am being a jerk to my partner, she will lay the proverbial smack down upon my arrogant butt [B)] and really it is sometimes(NOT always [] )the most compassionate action that anyone could perform in MY service at that time.  a key concept to actually appyling compassion is inner quietude and thus an increased ability to hear one's true inner voice and the needs of others.  a deep sense of humility and gratitude for life.  these things are what one can cultivate to achieve balance in life and successful and LOveing communication with others...they dont come easy for me.  it is a constant work that we do, remaining vigilant to TRUTH.  "what is the truth of my intention?"  buddha also said that sometimes, because of the context of a situation, silence is most compassionate.  but alas, i CHOOSE not to be my own buddha at times...would you be willing to talk more about your ideas of "extension of self" and the "other"?  
 in response to the sentiments expressed within your last paragraph....i feel there is always HOPE.  again, counsellors come in so many different forms...there are counsellors out there who can help you on a mulitplicity of levels, energetic, emotional etc.  making a statemtment of such finality only serves to limit your possiblities for healing.  health insurance is a terrible state of affairs here in the us...and i do understand the cost of help...but i also know that magic can happen and if you imagine within your heart, an image of that person who can help you to unlock your ability to heal yourself, to claim your own power! they will be there for you...it is not uncommon for people in that field to do work pro-bono and many of the younger generation like the idea of work trade.  there are endless possiblities!

crim, i didnt want to leave my last post hangin...i used the word "unheathy" in that post and i didnt want you to think that i have placed any kind of moralistic judgement upon you in using the word.  i use such a term to describe patterns...that, as my girlfriend would say, have outlived their usefullness.  are you happy with the results of your actions?  its a simple question but powerful.  in order for the limbic region to relax and let the higher centers of the brain funtion in a dominant role, we need to know we are "safe".  to my experience, counsellors are really good at helping us find this space.  this is where healing and the magic of our ability to heal ourselves can take place.

                                           much love

namaste ya'll.  criminal mind....hmmm...i am going to respond honestly and do my best to speak with integrity and love.  please understand first that there are people who are here that ARE trying to help you.  you might not hear what you WANT or immediately recognize AS help.  also, anything i might say, please try not to take offense on a personal level; i may have my ideas, beliefs and opinions, but i do not judge you.  with that said...i will try to be brief upon the issue of rape as it is as touchy as a topic as abortion...please nobody say ANYTHING about abortion!...as i stated earlier in expressing my views of rape on various levels; to play the BLAME GAME, everyone loses.  no one gains anything by creating scapegoats.  "he did such and such thing to me"..."she was asking for it"...."the devil made me do it"....etc.  you see the issue is to take responsibility for OUR part in any drama we may co-create.  how about that phrasology?  co-create.  i think that much of your black/white, good/evil, victim/attacker mentality is based in a deep sense of personal guilt.  guilt and shame will always hinder us from seeing the truth.  please understand this is MY discretionary assessment of your perspective of your situation based upon the limited information provided me.  and thus.....i feel so much fear and paranoia from your post...black magic, evil psychic attackers...preauratized...these are things that i am sure are very very real to you!  i do not question their reality for you.  the question that remains within my heart is "why are you really here?" on this forum.  you say that you are looking for help...but there are people here, in my opinion, that are offering some of the most beautiful, loving, compassionate help that can be shared over digital language symbol systems...[]  finding ways to empower yourself....darknight mentioned something about glory hogs...this is one of the key issues....when we create mental patterns within our energy body, we can create unhealthy coping mechanisms to survive...one of those coping mechanisms is a "me versus the world".  this mechanism or pattern is based within the limbic region of the brain and is commonly called the "reptilian brain".  it helps us in wonderful ways by keeping us alive, especially in life threatening situations.  but when those situations are over(or in the case of darkight and crimind; they seem to repeat in a relative endless monotony of painful and unwelcome circumstances that range from the annoying to the life-threatening) the higher centers of the brain that deal with emotions can be left without a way to reconcile or integrate the experience and turn off the red-alert.  when we experience near continuous levels of stress(life threatening or otherwise)the limbic area pretty much takes over and works to just keep us alive!!! in survival mode.  im really sorry, i will continue this later, i have to go.  much love, namaste

dark knight,  
      love and compassion are the best counsellors.  degree or no.  as i mentioned previously, counselors can come in many different forms...as in the concept of the sat guru.  hmmm...from what i can tell you expressed a need for community.  this can be gained from support groups.  you know, people who can emphathize with your pain and can be there for you.  can sit with the pain and emotion with you.  to be a friend.  its interesting you mention the idea of a glory hog...its an egocentric concept that can be applied in negativa.  meaning, that someone with a tremendous amount of pain can be seen to be acting in a way that may seem just as self-centered as a "glory hog", by keeping the pain and emotion.  it can make them feel special, just as the glory hog.  think about it.  i am not judging you. []