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Personally speaking, and we may be talking semantics here, but I don't rely on any "energy" work what-so-ever in my projections. 
I don't see it as necessary.

Then yor in the wrong thread, son! 

Terence Mckenna says that Shrooms give you a more science-fiction-like trip. Too bad i never found any 

Know any?

(WARNING: might be terrifying for the fainthearted)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzIBI3jkKY

and another meshuggah (its from my avatar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVje5rtcM8

but everyone knows this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINU71FyMto

I will try to behave this time      




For the peace, I will make every member here who wants it a gif of his/her favorite scene for free!!
Just send me a link to the video and the clipping (like 1:03 - 1:05)



kind regards,

Paul

I've never used the energy raising myself, but I can relate to the talking gets harder and harder, not that I make it a point to talk while meditating but occasionally one of my kids will interrupt and I can answer without messing anything up and having to start over.  And funny enough, it's when I'm in a light trance when I can still speak but veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy sloooowwwlllyyy.  

Your story about the standing outside in the cold made me think of monks that can control their body temp.  

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html  

Yes and it made me also think of those people who could freeze themselves in Ice without dying such as this guy:

I can think of no reason other than energy raising.

In retrospect, I am suprised that I have tried so many, many mental techniques all with no avail, including all those internal energy-movement techniques.
I guess I just never placed enough emphasis on energy pulling itself and too much on visualization exercises.


It makes projection awfully easy, given the individual has patience and a certain degree of focus is available to him.
I keep finding that tensing up of muscles, i will agree with robert bruce, is an unfortunate byproduct of a lot of energy raising.

Ok then, I'll talk to Adrian about getting that other one disabled.  Thanks

yea that'll be fine, since this one still exists.

we only allow one account

tat better i suppose...

Dear shineling,

awesome, thank you for sharing.


These people are probably the natural projectors at night who will not remember a bit of their astral activities.

I always considered relationship to be asinine. The only reason people become jealous is because they attach themselves in their relationships, assuming they own one another.


kind regards,

Paul

TM is a cult, all about making money and controlling the minds of people. Don't be fooled by the "meditation" bit.

I will agree with this. I have always felt that there is something fishy with the organizations associated with TM today.

I've read of people who've been mentally damaged by these organizations. It looks to me like there is definatly some kind of mind-control involved.
No wonder the ruling elite highly promotes them.

However, i think the idea itself of teaching something that is not a system and can only happen naturally is fundamentally flawed. Maharishi did a great job of describing the process of proper meditation properly however any effort to teach this to another is a counter-productive step in my opinion.

Many times I have tried to teach myself proper meditation and it always resulted in utter failure and I always came to the conclusion that I could only let it happen naturally. Any pattern any habituation is a culprit to the practice of meditation. One can not learn or own meditation like one can own a skill for playing an instrument.


Folks, if you plan to fill my threads with spam and flame in the future, save your energy and time. Other threads may be but my threads are no kindergartens.



kind regards,

Paul

My biggest stumbling block is the idea of my point of consciousness exiting my head, which I have never found and fish hooks to get a better understanding of.

Well I usually exit through the forehead and when it happens it is a very physical, non-imagined experience much like launching on water-skis. I would also get a tremendous buzz in one ear like the sound of wind rushing by.

I've also had experiences of full body exits where unlike the forehead exits I would not just be a free floating camera but a body copy resembling the physical one.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear Inico,

first of all the practice should be one as natural as possible and one shouldn't follow any systems or place restrictions upon self. It will only get confusing and frustrating with no real progress. The key component is relaxation not effort - ironically the more effort the more failure I can guarantee you this from my own experience.

Secondly, it should be remembered that most projectors probably have never or rarely achieve wake induced projections but fall asleep and for some reason happen to wake up in the right state of consciousness and opportunistically use this to project.

The difficulty with the OBEs is that they can be described but not adequately taught not even to oneself. One can only rely on one's own experience.

The state of consciousness during OBE is one that is comparable to waking consciousness. However one can daydream (mental projection) while in the OBE-state like one can daydream while in the physical body. So the dream-body is always there parallel to the primary bodies like the astral body and physical body.

If you feel frustrated, go back to zero, lie down with no plans or efforts and just try to relax as deeply as possible.

As you relax more and more at some point you will eventually get "loose" and then you can succesfully use focus to move the etheric or astral bodies.
But again - most people don't manage to get loose - they fall asleep for a while, then wake up finding themselves loose and using that momentum to project.


kind regards,

Paul

http://astraldynamics.com/home/new-energy-ways/using-new-full-tutorial.html

That's Robert Bruce's Energy Raising System.

I agree with Tiny though, your activities are good energy work.  Being active helps a lot.  

Perhaps you might consider taking up Tai Chi or something similar.

Dear personalreality,

that was a misunderstanding.

What I was saying is that he is obviously spending/releasing his energy on sports so there it goes.


By the way, my experience is that the best way of moving/balancing subtle energy is through complete passive or transcendental meditation as it has been called.


kind regards,

Paul

I would see this differently - but understand it can be viewed as somewhat dark. However posts on here can be upbeat, downbeat, intelligent, creative, and sometimes lacking content. But the great thing about this forum is that I can progressively develop my skills and knowledge by learning from others who have broken it down into bite-sized learnable chunks, then fear diminishes greatly because I have a better understanding on perhaps what to do.

But despite this topic being very speculative, is this really a threatening issue to the projecting community – probably not. However from a technical point of view I'm now very curious if it is possible that an astral body could be contained as I never heard of such a thing. But if this were the case then surely its something that would require investigation.

Maybe what we need is something like "Trip Avdisor" for the Astral planes.

Alex-Anderson,

I think it has to be understood that the astral body is just another sheet of the coverings over the spirit that can be dropped. It has been mentioned here if im not mistaken that the astral body can simply be dissolved on purpose. The theosophical society belief that the advanced spiritual being at some point drops its' astral body and continues in the mental body.
And In fact the mental body is where the true unrestricted(atleast in comparison to the astral body) freedom lies.

I don't exactly understand how the mental body in it's refined nature (the one that goes in remote viewing afaik) could be imprisoned in any way but it could be blocked off completly and i have experienced that.

Projecting astrally to alien or military bases is a whole different story and I strongly advise anybody not to do this!
These "astral containment units" exist I am very sure about this.


Here's an interesting remote viewing report on Dulce

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread354519/pg1

If anyone would want to remote view UFOs, alien bases, military bases and the like and I know the temptation is huge, I would recommend looking for protection measures such as: remote viewing them slightly in the past or doing it with the intention of being completly invisible.


kind regards,

Paul

It'll always be the most healthy meditation there is that beats any system of meditation since it transcends them all. It can be coined many names but I'll call it proper meditation or passive meditation.

Here's a more scientific view on proper meditation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l41mBbn4ho&feature=related



kind regards,

Paul

Dear peetz,

I ground myself daily by mountainbiking/road cycling along with some boxing.

Well, there's your energy outlet right there.



kind regards,

Paul

Dear folks,

I wanted to share this with you.

This is probably the best explanation of proper meditation I've ever come across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QpbzxHta_0&feature=related


kind regards,

Paul

Dear wakey,

when your body has fallen into deep sleep you won't be able to return to waking consciousness because the body won't respond. At best you could enter the dream mind.
R. Bruce talked about this in his latest interview.

well perhaps you feel so troubled since for the last couple of years this planet has had an alarming increase in negative energy from god knows where and it just keeps getting darker and darker spiritually. It feels just all over the place like a black mist. Perhaps it's the sign of things to come.
I have decided reduce my spiritual awareness for protection reasons but whenever I crank it up again I feel this black miasma again and end up feeling dead sick.



kind regards,

Paul

This caller did too much methamphetamine. I'm sure he believes every word he stated. Scary for him!

Aw that's too bad since what he is saying actually matches the facts.

I am a 10 year brahmacarin and never felt anything of the such until k erupted.  The only thing now is to live with the euphoric/orgasmic energy that I am.

I can't agree with Stookie either. The more I raise my energy the more sexual i would feel. Otherwise I don't.


kind regards,

Paul

I thought when the banks started collapsing in 2008 - that was it. But no  these sons of guns were so tricky, as they faked big doom several times so you'll believe it'll never happen until one day...
They've crashed the economy on purpose in 08 and amazingly with trillions of illegal bailouts (giving banks and businesses money for free) stabilized the economy again, faking a recovery so naive investors would put their money into the market so they could be robbed when the real crash happens.

I see a huge deflation right now but it is covered up but you see it on the internet. Hell, the prizes you can get things at ebay today is just absolutely unbelievable. For example: You can get a new top mountain bike for a prize that is cheaper than bringing it to repairs or buying spare parts.

The economy is hanging by a tiny thread which can be released by the push of a button. China could destroy the US and the western world by simply stopping to buy their debt. It's an artificial upholding.

The gold-folks make me giggle at times. They really believe they're still going to be safe with their exchanged money for precious metals once the market collapses. What they don't realize is that gold will be worthless when food and water become sparse. For that to happen food doesn't even have to be rare but simply a collapse of the infrastructure so the food will reach many places.

And the reason these irresponsible actions are taken like the trillions bailouts etc. is clearly because the ruling elite know that there is no future to current the System and plan to extinguish atleast two thirds of the world population anyway. Expect this to look as natural as possible.
Remember: the only thing that actually reversed the great depression 80 years ago was a worldwide war! No matter how big the debt a crisis big enough will always fix it.
Folks better get ready to lose everything they have including their own lives.

I personally believe that 2012 is a deception aimed to fix people's awareness away from the present and into the future and I see it very likely that the big events are going to happen before 2012.


kind regards,

Paul

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ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)...."

This is absolutely true.

I was planning to mention this but something kept me from it.

Most people probably wouldn't believei t but the astral body can be contained by special magnetic fields and many sources confirm that aliens have devices that can indeed trap and imprison astral bodies. The astral bodies are subject to electromagnetism from physical sources and R. Monroe and others have documented this.

Now, what happens when the astral body can not rejoin with the physical body is that the physical body is left without driver and consequently falls into a state of coma.

So one will want to stay away from deep underground military bases and extraterrestrial bases for many reasons. Another reason is that is that some of the going-ons down there are so inhumane and horrible that one could easily be traumatized on sight.


kind regards,

Paul

Tea after 1 hour or so. Righthand one is in alkaline (pH 10) water, left hand in neutral, slightly acidic (pH 6,6) RO water which pH is similiar to bottled or spring water.

The tea needed to seep only about 30 seconds in the alkaline water and atleast 3 minutes in RO water to achieve the same coloration.

So you're going to have better tea too with alkaline water.


And I've never laid so comfortable on my ruined back as last night. No kind of healthy food I've tried has managed to do this for me. The pain just keeps going down even tho the spinal pressure is the same with so much lack of exercise.

This is the power of free negatively charged ions.


Hippocrates should've said instead: "Let your water be your medicine and your medicine be your water".


Yet inspite all the proof, testimonies and other evidences the pseudo-scientists running many western medical establishments dare to claim there could be no difference consuming alkaline and neutral water.
And the ones in my country are so radically insane they say anyone claiming health benefits with "stuff like this" should be indicted before court.


kind regards,

Paul

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?

Definatly not if one would like to meet the G-man.


But in truth I could only speculate what may happen.

I've actually telepathically intruded the interior of UFOs with a friend. Last night I was about to project my etheric body and the first thing i noticed was the presence of grey ETs trying to scare me (they caught me off guard) so i aborted.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear Alex-Anderson,

yes my research into this has shown evidence that there are countermeasures to such places, on the physical aswell as psychic level. There's a website (genuine or not) of someone who describes the interior of hundreds of alien (the Greys') bases on Earth, Moon and Mars. It's an http://www.abduct-anon.com/alien_bases_on_earth.htm interesting read atleast. And he mentiones that one who approaches these sites must first bypass the psychic shields.

I was training remote viewing one night (blind targets) and my target turned out to be a mountain and during this my link to the target was suddenly completly severed for some reason. Then I saw various suprised ETs.

So I would advice any viewer to be cautious when telepathically scanning in mountain areas because they often contain ET bases or advanced deep underground military bases and the military have psychic squadrons aswell.

According to some sources the real facilities use some kind of advanced holographic projectors to scare away hikers coming too close to those sites with convincing imagery of monsters and such.


kind regards,

Paul

Dear Alex-Anderson,


I wouldn't call them selves since they are really just dimensional vehicles, I'd call them seatable bodies/minds.

yes I believe you're right. You can be aware of multiple of your bodies operating at once however it seems to me that usually oneself will only seat one dimensional body-mind at a time and then the rest will be in auto-pilot.

Sorry I don't have an answer for you but I believe that the etheric double can easily be split two have two avatars at once. Movies and games have conditioned us to like to see our characters from the outside or behind so perhaps that caused you to create a second avatar watching your first.
While in the second you could've steered the first one like a remote control but this is simply speculation.

Another possibility I see is a telepathic link to another being, so you could've felt his/her emotions like yours and see from his/her astral eyes as if they were your own but of course not control him/her. This is usually how full telepathic contact is described, the energetic link establishes a oneness between the communicators.


kind regards,

Paul