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Finally you gaved replyed EXACTLY what i wanted ! Thanks a lot, finally i am almost clarified, except for one thing, that i will have to tell by private message.

there is one thing i would like to ask to James s : everything you said is from PERSONAL experience, right ? I mean, you already tried to have personal gain using psychic abilities and your psychic abilities didn't gone weaker in long term, right ? Please you or someone else confirm this for me, because the reason i ask this is that i am afraid that you James or anyone else in this thread say all this from just what they think, instead of being by experience, which is why i maded this thread in the first place.

hum... ok!

by the way just for curiosity, if you have psychic abilities how did you developed them ? or you already born with them active ? I ask this since i already tried everything for several months without ANY results, so i am doing falun dafa exercices at the moment...

yes, but that's not what i want to do anyways, i meant more for fun, but it's just that there is many things that i just don't know if it's dangerous or not, for example, when using remote viewing i think i have to be very careful to avoid spying accidently on people, since i don't know exactly if this is dangerous or not, and if there is really any negative energy transference or not by remote viewing a person.

wow thanks a LOT for these advices, i was SO afraid that i wouldn't be able to use them for fun the day i develop them... now the bigger problem is HOW to develop them... i am practising falun dafa at the moment, i hope it does really help on this.

to gangta :

yes, but how do we exactly guess which we can do or not without danger ? We have to totally rely on intuintion and nothing more ?

I would like to know if anyone that has active psychic abilities, and that if such persons tried to use them for fun (without being for personal gain, i mean just for fun, without being selfish), and considering that they woudl be used also to help people when there was a opportunity, i would like to be sure if it still generates problems (i mean, negative energy or karma) from using them for fun, even if they are also use to help others.

It's becuase i have a penpal which does have them and keeps telling me that using them for personal use will give negative energy in long term, and have problems, is this really true, and does this also applys when using them for fun ?

If yes, then this means that psychic abilities are EXCLUSIVELY for helping others, and that it's absolutly forbiden (i mean, unsafe) to use them for personal use AND for fun ? Is it necessary to be absolutly SELFLESS to not have such problems of negative energy in the future about using psychic abilities ?

Also i wonder how the heck some psychic abilities (like psychokinesis and others) are supposed to be used to help others, because if it's not allowed to use them for personal use what are they for ?! To serve as temptation for those liking them ?!

Oh Jonath, thanks a lot for the tips, i think i have no more doubts now, that's EXACTLY what i wanted to know. If i have more doubts later, i tell you, ok ?

I would like someone which is remote viewer or clairvoyant to help me with developing ESP and abilityes like remote viewing and clairvoyance, altough i need help from someone which started without any natural ability, and that developed the abilityes EXCLUSIVELY from training without natural ability, only people like this will be able to help me, since they started just like me.

Anyone interested in helping me on this or teaching, please send me a private message, i really need help on this, since i starting getting a bit frustated.

Note that i am posting this as a last resourt since i am having lot of trouble about training (nothing works even after several months of training) and i would like how it went for non psionic people like me that developed/learned ESP and to remote view or to have clairvoyance only by training, since maybe i am training incorrectly or doing constant mistakes.

Both arms and legs daily ? Or one day only arms and in other only legs ? I am just asking this since i don't know how much days without doing this daily is necessary to be less effective, and in n.e.w. itself i don't find a general guideline schedule for this...

I dont' know if this is the right forum for this, but i would like to know how to do that, and if it's required active psychic abilities for this, if yes, then is there anyone able to do this on me? I absolutly need to destroy the several attachments i have, most of them are sexual (as fetishes).

ok, in the last weeks my mother has gotten much better ! And very probably was because of reiki, since she started improving without any appearent reason. So it was very probably reiki healings that helped.

So anyone can send her again a few healings ? I am already sending mine, but i am not sure if they work, because so far they ONLY worked in psychic people...

By the way, for those that don't remember, my mother has a wond in her left leg (a kind of varicose ulcera) but now it's really almost closed, but int the last week it started to worsen again.

ok, i will do that

Actually since 15 days ago, i am now changed the way i think, i finally understood WHY postive thinking is very important, i was only pessimist because of not understanding why positive thinking is important, i wasn't believing on it.

to runlola:

Now i am not exactly frustated since i think positive now (all, at least the best i can) but it's being hard to be positive without having results.

I am 25 years old.

Quote "I do believe meditation is the best thing to open psychic abilities.
I think you have to meditate daily for longer than a couple weeks." hum, just two more questions about this :

Does it matter if i meditate only 10 minutes or 20 minutes each day, about the time it will take in long term to open psychic abilities ?

Also isn't necessary to do some affirmations or using sublimar messages to the subconcious specially focused to open psychic abilities, or JUST thinking in nothing is enough to open psychic abilities ?

Quote "Patience, acceptance of the journey, & pure determination work
better than focusing on what isn't happening." it's hard to understand this, if either way i don't get noticeable results.

Please just tell me this : how the heck anyone trying to learn clairvoyantly do have positive thinking enough to not get desperated in waiting SEVERAL months to notice any kind of result ? Yes because i have trying real hard to think positive, but each time i don't have results i can't stop thinking this isn't ever going to work.

I had a strange experience in trance meditation : i was doing a normal trance meditation, in my chair. About 17 minutes later i could finally feel that semi-floating sensation in which i can't feel my whole body, well, mostly the parts in contact with the chair, but i never get better than this, i never stop completly feeling my body.

Then i started sugesting mentally that i would be able to astral project, and i tried to "confuse" the direction in which my body was facing, like i was slowly rotating horizontally and clockwise like if my chair was rotating clockwise. At first nothing happened, but then i actually start to feel a bit dizzy, i don't know if it was the feeling of my body as whole that was rotating, or just the awareness of my head.

I was "visualing" (with touch sense) my bodly awareness as a whole rotating slowly clockwise, but then as i started doing that, it actually started to rotate faster than i wanted to (of course my body was in trance, and not moving a inch) and when i start to get dizzy i was starting to get afraid because it really looked like i was starting to pass out, it was NOT a pleasant feeling at all, when it got even stronger i wad to stop because i was afraid this would do any kind of "permanent damage", because it didn't felt right and of course i didn't wanted to pass out.

To stop that, i simply opened my eyes, as soon as i did that the dizzyness stoped almost completly (but i could steel feel a light rotating sensation, like i could steel feel in which direction it "wanted" to rotate, anyways this seems to indicate i was able to "fool" my subconcious into which direction my body was facing to) but what was really ood is that my view was shaking a bit left-right, it was like a earthquake ! But my eyes were still, it was just like my feeling of the body was still trying to rotate and was just waiting to me close my eyes to continue, because as soon as i closed my eyes again, instantly i got exactly the strong rotating body sensation, i could feel the fast rotation and dizzyness immediatly appeared again and starting to increase. It was not exactly painfull, but was more like a feeling of "this is not right".

So, i moved my body, and then that's it, everything got to normal again, even tought it took some few seconds to completly dissapear that feeling of body rotation, after that i didn't had any kind of unusual side-effects, unless having a higher ringing in the ears than usual.

Well i have some important questions about this :
1. That kind of dizzyness is dangerous when it appears in this kind of situation if i continued to keep eyes closed in that specific situation ? What kind of dangers exactly could this have caused if i continued?

2. I actually did wrong in stoping the trance meditation session by moving the body, or it there was anything else that could be done to help having a astral projection ?

3. When trying to astral project, it's just like this i should do, but instead of using horizontal body rotation as i did, i should use a translation action without going back and forth ? Would that way avoid the dizzyness sensation ? I choosed this one as it feels much easier for me than using the Rope method...

Please someone reply...

Quote "How long have you been meditating?" : that's very hard to say, yes i have done it so many times, but not on a daily basis, mostly becuase of lack of results, i am UNABLE to keep any schedule becuase as soon as i notice that in 1-2 weeks absolutly nothing changes, i can't stop thinking it won't ever work and then it grows a huge lazyness and resistance in keep doing the schedule, because i don't have any garantees that it will work in long term.

Anyways i now do a daily trance meditation, in which i always get hypnagogic imagery and i try to control it, and sometimes i have some sucess, but nothing too special. Is it possible that it's like this that remote viewing is learned ?

Quote "Have you gotten any healings? Healing would help clear you." yes i have a person healing each of my chakras almost daily, with kundalini reiki. Needless to say that even tough this happens for 2 weeks i think, i absolutly don't feel nothing, i really hope you are right when you say "If you don't feel anything, it doesn't mean it didn't work.. " becuase like this i have absolutly no indication if it's working or not and this is bad for my motivation or in being positive...

Quote "The healer can tell you what s/he felt while healing you." hum... good idea i will ask him this, even tough i think that if he would feel something he would already told me.

Quote "It's different for everyone." this i am the living proof that it's true, as EVERY technique seem to work differently on me than other person, so my case is even more different than with any other person. Unfortunately, the most strongest thing that is different, is NOTHING working on me!

Quote "It could take years." how can you expect someone like me having a positive atitude when hearing this ? Altough i am a strong believer in shortcuts so i will only believe on this if in 5-10 years i don't get any noticeable results.

Quote "I haven't heard of instant psychic abilities except for being hit by lightning or something (please do not try this at home)" about this i absolutly disagree, for all the following reasons :

1. I got the healing ability when i was attuned to reiki, and i have readed in many places that healing persons is a advanced skill (unless that's not true ?) at least without a attunement.

2. I have heared and even have (had) a penpal which is a psychic and she sayd since a serious blow on the head as a child, that "psychic stuff keeps pouring in" (that's not exactly what she said). I know that might not be true, but these cases are real.

3. There is many people that after a NDE (near death experience) got instant psychic abilities.

4. Doing OBE in itself it's a MAJOR shortcut for psychic abilities, this is garanteed.

Unfortunately the only kind of those shortcuts i can try is the attunements as i already found a person which can give obe reiki, golden triangle method and third eye empowerment, lets see if it works.

Quote "I have to wonder why ONLY psychic abilities will solve your problems...
Can you work on a back-up plan?" sorry but even if i explained this to you, you would understand, becuase i am different from anyone else even on hobbies.

Quote "It might be your brain is just not trained to communicate these things to you. Meditation is good for opening psychic senses." (sorry about quoting this two times, but this is important) about this i have some very important questions : for this to happen, just meditation by itself is enough ? I mean, during meditation isn't necessary any specific affirmations or exercice to the "brain train to communicate these kind of things" or this ALWAYS develop naturally just by doing meditation itself ? And most importantly, is it required to be done daily to this work, and how much each day ?

One last question : while i experiment with the hypnagogic state and i try to control images, by clearing my mind, this is also part of the training of brain to learn to communicate these things ?

finally i think i got my goal : i finally found a person which can give obe reiki and even several other attunements like golden triangle method (which seems to help in psychic abilities) and third eye empowerment (i think its specially maded for helping in psychic abilities i think).

Now lets hope that the person agrees to give me those attunements.

to wizard of light :

indeed i think i know why you don't know of obe reiki. According to it's course notes (which i found in a yahoo group) it was "created" in 2003, for more details check out the link www.freewebs.com/cesm22/docs.zip   to where i uploaded just for you to look at. (tell me when i can remove it). It also contains information about golden triangle method comment that one also.

Tell me if by what you read in there, to see if it's possible that it's a fake or a hoax. Anyways since i am getting it for free, it's almost impossible that it doesn't exist.

Quote "However, I do not see why one would need an "obe attunement" as distance attunements work fine." in there it explains how that is done i think.

Note that the person that is going to give me a obe reiki attunment is not the same that posted that obe reiki pdf file in the yahoo group, but very probably it's the same reiki method.

first i apologize for the delay, it's that i can only go to internet once a week, and in weekends only some of them i can also go to internet.

to indigo michael:

wow, i didn't thinked that was possible. I mean, about everything i readed about reiki i never readed anywhere that this could be done. Thanks for the tip i will try. But at the moment i am taking tacyon attunements so it will have to wait.

Quote "Secondly, it might be a good idea for training to practice attunement on another Kundalini Reiki master, before proceeding into attuning others." oh, you mean, to attune someone else to the same kundalini reiki levels again ? good ideia, i will try that with the person which i have done the healing tests, which was also attuned my Stefan.

to runlola :

Quote "You don't have to feel something in order for it to work." you see, the problem is that i always used to think that if i don't feel anything or any side effects it's because it wasn't working, because for energy blockages to be cleared it's necessary to feel some physical sensations. So you mean this way of thinking is completly wrong ?

Quote "It might be your brain is just not trained to communicate these things to you. Meditation is good for opening psychic senses." no, i have done meditation thousands of times and i never noticed any improvement on this. how much months and how much daily hours it's necessary to meditate to notice any difference on this ? This is why i am constantly thinking i am doing something wrong.

If it's normal to take several months or even YEARS to notice any difference, forget it, i will never have patience for that, at least without results once in a while to keep me motivated. In that case i definetly have to find a shortcut, which i DON'T believe that it doesn't exist.

Quote "It also takes time for your chakras to clear, if everything cleared all at once, it would be quite shocking. Cleansing isn't usually a feel good experience. Your body is doing you a favor by keeping it slow." hum... you know what ? Indeed maybe it's this what is happening. But like this it will take years, if not decades to notice any difference in psychic perception or psychic abilities, and the serious problems that i have at the moment can ONLY be solved with psychic abilities... Besides the problem of "Your body is doing you a favor by keeping it slow." is that this just makes me think it's doing nothing at all, or that at this pace it will take decades to clear anything at all. I prefer to feel physical sensations to at least indicate that something is being cleared, becaus like this i am constantly with negative attitude because i have absolutly no indication of what is being done.

The main raison i want to attune people is because i never had any sucess in that kind of "requests" to higher self, so i don't know if that will really work. Of course, the ability to heal did indeed gaved me a big boost in the confidence but it was mostly in visualization, but the method to give attunements seem to be different, and to be honest, i am not much confident that it will work, that's why i have to try it on someone to see if it really works, because i never had sucess with that kind of requests. (and that's also why sometimes i don't even believe in that thing of higher self becuase i never got any kind of "manifestation")

Quote "however I definitely notice a sensation in my hands when I am healing someone" what is exactly ? The only thing i do really feel is a pulsating sensantion in my hands, altough i am not sure if it's just biofeedback or placebo effect... But i think it's the healing, no ?

By the way have you idea what it means when a person doesn't feel anything ? I mean, could it mean that the blockages aren't that "serious" as it would if i felt anything ? It's because in all kundalini reiki course notes, even from other attuners, it was says that a smal part of kundalini is used, many chakras are cleared. Altough when i do n.e.w., the sensations i got in chakras and energy pathways in my hands are EXACTLY the same than before the attunements, this is why i don't believe that any cleared did happened, or if it did, it was very small. Anyways the important is that i am able to heal but i still have to do the attunement tests because i never got results with requests or communications to higher-self.

Quote "Firstly, I am not sure what you mean you are trying to find someone to "Attune" : oh my, maybe i didn't expressed myself correctly. What i meant, is, that according to the course notes, i am able to give attunements to other people (by requesting it to our higher self) but i never found anyone to give attunement and i also want to give attunements, not just healings. That's what i meant with this thread.

Quote "Or do you mean you want to find people to heal?" that is no problem anymore, considering what you said in the end of your reply.

Quote "Have you healed yourself first? If you look on page 9 of the manual you will see that it recomends that you first do a Crystalline, DNA, Location, Past Life and Birth trauma healing on yourself, before you start trying to heal others." yes of course, i actually worried about that a lot, that's why only about 3 months later i tried to heal someone, after doing all those self healings, the problem is that i never felt nothing (just like when during the attunements) and i not really sure that those self-healings did something or not. But as you can see in my other thread about the healing tests, my healing seems to be efficiant and good (even tough in my mother didn't worked) so i finally started to not worry anymore about that of never feeling anything.

Just tell me, no matter if we feel or not anything at all, those essencial self-healings are to be done only once ? I mean, of course it says in the course notes to do a self-healing everyday (even tough i don't know which reiki to use, what you think, it's the reiki, kundalini reiki,diamond reiki, or every of them everyday ?). Also i am doing the kundalini-reiki meditation everyday now even tough it doesn't seem to do absolutly nothing as always.

Ok, then i shouldn't worry much about healing others, anyways i think this is normal for a newbie like me on this. But still i hope anyone here, at least one person wants to be attuned!

If not what's the point of being able to give attunements to others if i never found anybody which wants to ?

It's like this, i was attuned by Stefan from Xehupatl, but i am unable to find persons to give kundalini reiki and gold reiki attunements, specially from the thread of "healing tests", where can i find people to attune ? I mean, i am bit "afraid" of posting this kind of requests directly here, i don't know if Stefan doesn't mind... (i hope he replys me here) But it's just that i am still new on this, and that's why i have these kind of doubts.

Another one, in the course notes it says that some person's problems should not be "messed with" to heal with reiki if the person which heals doesn't "feel right" about doing it, but that's the problem, i don't have that kind of "intuintion" i never feel right or wrong when i am about to heal a person, so is it ok to me heal any kind of desiase/problem of any person that requests healings on these forums ? Or is there a specific kind of problem/desease that i shouldn't try to heal ?

It's just because these doubts that i haven't yet sent healing to the persons here and i would like to start...

Wow, thanks a lot james s, even tough i wasn't considering paying that person any money, mostly because i can't afford any kind of paid attunement on the net. And even if i could afford, i would have to make sure the website was not like that you said it was.

Also, that's why i also asked you about that, but note that isn't the only website on the net that is demading money for obe reiki ... (yes i know the website i told you is giving the obe reiki for free, but only when taking a paid worshop of course)

And worse, i have found several websites offering obe reiki (with different prices) in google, don't tell me they are all like this one? I mean, do you have idea if obe reiki even exists at all ? don't tell me that after all it doesn't exist !!

See, this is one of the main reasons i maded this thread, to know if that website or others talking about obe reiki are to trust or not.

to james s :

Quote "I'm sorry, but that just smacks of "it must be true coz I read it on the internet"."

Oh, i forgot that, then have a look at the website where i readed about the obe reiki : http://www.powerattunements.com/obereiki.html

And tell me if you still think that or not just for curiosity

Yes, i have to request this as unlike i tought kundalini reiki and gold reiki did absolutly NOTHING in even awakening or helping in developing psychic abilities, just healing works and NOTHING more, no matter how many weeks of daily meditation or n.e.w. i do, even 3 months after being attuned.

What i ask is OOBE reiki or any kind of reiki attunement specially maded to help the developing of psychic abilities (what i mean exactly, is to make the subconcious/mind be much more responsive to exercices to develop psychic abilities).

I know that oobe reiki exists as i have seen in a website, but unfortunately that one in particular i would have to pay and unfortunately i can't afford it (well in fact it is free but only when we "buy" and take a worshop which isn't free).

Ok, but that's not all, there is one healing test left : the one of attunment : does anyone want to be attuned ? This will even be a bigger test, as it will prove that i am able to communicate with my higher self, which unfortunately i never got any indication that it ever worked.

If anyone wants to be attuned, please private-message me as like in the other test.



to georg19 :
Sure, i am happy about this ability in particular, but note that this wasn't my goal exactly. Sure also like this ability to heal people, but the main reason i wanted to be attuned, was to at least help in developing of psychic abilities and so far, some months have passed and absolutly NOTHING improved, even with daily training in energy work and meditation. Like this how do you expect me to not have negative toughts ? I wouldn't have them if i had results in psychic abilities, right ?

The problem is that, incredibly, visualizations ONLY work with healings, not even with psiballs or any other kind of psychic ability they have effect, even after all these weeks of training, this is really incredible, the attunements "unlocked" EXCLUSIVELY that abiltity and i didn't had to "suffer" nothing to have this ability (i mean, i felt absolutly nothing in the attunements, no side effects).

well, there is no doubt now, i am really able to heal people, and very efficiently (read my post 'healing tests') so i don't understand why i could heal that person very well, but when i do it on my mother it doesn't seem to work, even a week later or more. Is it possible that this only works on persons sensitive to energy ? Healing does work on skeptics too ?