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[The opposite of a fact is usually a falsehood.However, the opposite of a profound thought is often another profound thought.]

I think that there is a deeper truth in play here.

The opposite of a fact is usually a falsehood.
However, the opposite of a profound thought is often another profound thought.

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That's WAY too deep for me lol.

I don't particularly like it but I find it interesting.

Yes I should rephrase that as well.. I don't "like" it necessarily I just find it interesting. It would be easier if everyone believed one thing but less interesting I think.

Actually... I'll rephrase that... It's not a rational explanation in the normal rational science sense. It's something science doesn't know as to why it happens.

It's actually wonderful. Because it means you can positively influence your skin or entire body with intent.

I meant I was sorry it wasn't demons or astral monsters of some sort. 

It helps to know who you are directing it towards.. I maintain a stance that I do not know the cause of these things... I'm not saying it is demons or it isn't so you don't have to be sorry cause you going against anything I said or believe. I think that explaination makes alot of sense and I am very familiar with experiments in hypnosis and how they have proven that the mind can affect the skin and other parts of the body. I just wonder how AstralCody could be getting all the scratches and burns if he wasn't willing himself to receive them. Atleast consciously, of course it could of been subconscious but that's hard to prove I suppose unless he REEALLY loves Ghost Hunters and gets super into it when he is watching it to the point where his mind begins to manefest those things. (Sorry Cody

But what I like is that there are two schools of thought and experience on this subject in this thread.. some saying Demons are very real, others saying that it is the mind.

Hey Lionheart. I have actually experienced these scratches before. Many times. I will never forget I was watching ghost hunters and I felt a raging burn on my middle back. It was an annoying feeling. Kind of hurt... not really. So I got home, and looked in mirror and saw 3 deep scratch marks. They were extremely deep. I couldn't make sense of it... I felt no harm or anything. It happened a lot after that. I have no explanation for them but I remember I got super sick of it and it would stress me out to the point where I would feel it and I would get mad. I used to be scratched all the time. I don't know why... I have no explanation for it.  I don't anymore though. It seemed to only happen when I was living at a particular house but who knows. An interesting point though, is that I had no animals at the time. I also read that if you eat crackers in bed and the crumbs get on your sheets and then you lay down it can happen too. Which is interesting because I did that a lot. Except for a few times when I was sitting down watching TV or what not. I always got 3 deep scratch marks. It wasn't scary to me... it was actually interesting. It happened a lot when I used to do EVP work. Who knows what caused this though.

Cody, I thought you were joking for most of this post but I think you are serious now. I just read "Ghost Hunters" and kind of laughed cause I feel like that is one of the shows that is faked alot more than others. And then the crackers in bed thing I don't quite understand.. other than dropping crumbs in the bed then rolling around in your sleep and the crumbs causing abrasions on your skin, why would it cause scratches? I think that is what you meant unless there is a more paranormal cause for it. But I am glad to hear from someone who has actually experienced it.. very strange. Sometimes I find scratches on myself that I can't explain but I always just chalk it up to something I did in my sleep.

Wow, those are some scary Demons. They can come here and create burning sensations, scratches and show themselves on camera and yet I constantly read posts here about people going to the Astral to literally kick axx or people that go to the Astral just to to control others. So why are they any worse than some of us? There are some people here that kill and dismember people, I haven't heard of any Demons doing that here in the Physical yet.

I am not quite sure what point you were trying to make with this Lionheart, but I doubt any demon has the power to be able to dismember people as you mentioned. Yes, humans are much more able to do these things as they are in the physical and we are talking about physical injuries, and there are alot of horrible people in the world just like there are negative entities or lower entities in the astral.

I just wonder if these demons or lower astral entities came from a human who led a horrible life murdering people etc, Charles Manson, for example and then died and became a lower entity not able to reincarnate cause of the bad actions they took in life... Or if the demon/lower entity encarnated into human form and became that person like Manson. Kind of a chicken or egg type of thing I suppose.

I have seen a few entities outside of my body that looked rather... I don't know how to explain it. Lots of shadow figures, and they mean no harm at all. I was in sleep paralysis once (PS: I highly recommend reading bedeekins sleep paralysis topic you can find in the "out of body experiences" section in this forum. It's a sticky. Anyway I was in paralysis once and had a figure of a man sitting on my bed looking at me. Very shadow like, couldn't get a facial view. Then I also saw a skinny shadow E.T looking figure walk across my hall. Has anyone seen the movie signs? The birthday party scene where the alien walked across the alleyway? That's exactly what it looked like. I have had mediums say that I have nasty things around me at times, and I have also had mediums say that I have people who are helping me around me. She is a very good person, and medium. She described my grandpa to a T and never even saw him in this physical world when he passed away.

I strongly believe what Majour said though! Yeah I have had experiences where I ran into a few things that were... not so human like. But nothing ever hurt me. 

I feel like if you were in sleep paralysis when you saw these entities, its very possible your mind created them.. Especially since you watched signs before that lol. But yeah, that sounds a little disturbing.. I personally thusfar have never experienced sleep paralysis, not sure why... I just always am able to break out of it.

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First allow me to explain that there are many types of negative entities. Some, such as demons, have been given power and even brought into existence by a collective belief in their presence and workings. Baal (Bael) is always my example as I, as well as my family, have had multiple experiences with "him." If you are ever unfortunate enough to come into contact with this particular entity, I advise you envision a white light and  know that you are protected as long as you believe so. Anyways, if you find yourself in his presence and he has revealed himself, simply ask how he came to be and I guarantee you will receive an answer along the lines of "I am the consciousness of the lambs in the field; I am the force which drives them to the wolf." That's just Baal for ya.

Now, as for another type of negative entity, there can come into existence masses of stored energy created by people themselves (As in a group of 1-3 individuals). This is the typical poltergeist or haunting. Don't get me wrong, it can be nasty, but these are more or less, psuedo-entities. They came into existence through built up negative energy and you can be rid of them simply by willing them away. (Easier said than done.)

For the last entity that I will discuss, I'll refer to the astral. Astral entities range from cute fairy like beings of good that simply help guide people in their travels, to beings that look like faceless vikings that wander aimlessly and pray on stray energy. They are dangerous and can definitely interfere with your travels, sometimes for months at a time.

In conclusion, I think it's about time I make a post on negative entities since it seems to have become a common topic.

And here I was thinking Bedeekin had given me all the answers lol. You approach this from a demonologist point of view which is great since I used that in some of examples.. What Bedeekin and Majour said makes sense when I think about it.. But if you are correct and demons are a type of negative entity.. Then i wnder if they will ever be anything other than that... Were they created for a purpose and will they always be the way they are or could they ever raise there vibration and evolve? I think nobody really knows..

I also wonder though.. It seems there must be a limited number of these demons since you mentioned one by name and it seems that is a recurring thing.. As there are records going way back with accounts of the same names over and over. These things either came from source for some purpose we dont understand, dont exist as we describe them, or have come into existance from a process of a spirit devolving for some reason.

I just think that we tend to fixate on the nonphysical using dogma created projections.

Skin is very prone to intentional thought... look at stigmata... which appear on both wrists in some... or the centre of the hand in others. This I guess depends how knowledgeable the person afflicted is about the way people were crucified. Look at psoriasis, which can be effectively treated by placebo... 99% of the time. Hypnosis is another.

Using 'outside' influence to describe these things... projecting anthropomorphic dogma related tags like 'demon' 'Djinn' or 'Incubus' only leads to a disempowering of ones OWN mind. It is amazing how your intent can control your physical. It is amazing that we can manifest our own fears... and equally amazing that we can rid them without the need of a religion or faith.

I don't mean to be annoying but how can someone identify a 'dead' language if it's dead? I doubt the priest and family present would be able to identify a long lost archaic language. Thinking more nonphysically there is no reason why a person can't drag up the past memory of a lost language.

It always seems to be religious families who have possessions. This alone makes me dubious. 

I agree alot of it probably is perpetrated by religion. I have heard the idea that maybe these people may be manefesting these things physically using their minds without knowing they are doing it.. I never used to believe that but now that I am going through this awakening process and realize what reality is, I can totally see that being true.

With the languages, I guess they call a language that isn't used anymore (but still exists in texts that are spoken and read by scholars) a dead language. But as you said, what is to say that isnt a form of channeling a past life.. and for that matter, what is to say the whole thing isn't channeling a former life where you were mentally ill, or multiple lives at once? I could say that would easily be looked at as a possession when it couldn't be explained by a current mental illness.

Since I mentioned mental illness here so much, I should go further and say I also believe some cases of mental illness are misdiagnosed... I think it is possible that people who hear "voices" and see things that "aren't there" could actually just be tapped into their natural abilities, but be so confused by it that it drives them mad.

Interesting take on this stuff.. I tend to agree with you on this I think.

I personally have never been harmed regardless of what problems I might have encountered. Nor have I seen what i would consider 'demons'.

This information is the current understanding and what I can ascertain personally....

Non-physical entities that display negative aspects can't really interfere with this one. They aren't allowed nor do they possess the ability to do so. They simply don't have those privileges. They can't possess us any more than we can possess them. You are specific to your body.

"Why do lower astral entities and/or demons exist??"

Why do nasty people exist in this reality? The nonphysical isn't perfect... very much like this one. It contains extreme variations of beauty and horror.

"if we all come from source and we reincarnate over and over living our lives to learn lessons to eventually return to source, then what purpose is there for source to create these lower entities? "

reality doesn't create predisposed murderers... they become murderers through their environment and upbringing... also there are other factors obviously... this goes for nonphysical residents also. They are doing the same thing as us.

This reality is just a constrained pattern of the wider reality with much stricter rulesets.

Most perceived possessions and encounters with demons take place during Sleep Paralysis. This state offers your fear and imagination to go wild together.

Thanks for that info. About the so called "demon attacks" being sleep paralysis or fiction.. I have found alot of documented cases where people were having a haunting in their home that turned somehow physical where they felt burning on their back, took photos or had a camera rolling during a paranormal investigation, and found that their back had materialized scratches on them. Other than that type of stuff, I dont know that there are any other attacks I could speak of.. I just wondered how you would explain those type of incidents.. I haven't experienced anything like this so I can't back up these claims.. some of what I have seen has been on TV so I guess you could say it was faked and edited to make it look like something happened.

As for things like "possession" I tend to believe that these were mostly early cases of mental illness that were misunderstood and some now that are still misunderstood. Although, there are alot of claims of "possessed people" being able to speak ancient dead languages that they would have no way of knowing.. again, these could be just hoaxes meant to instill fear in people.

To me, if these things didn't exist, it would make alot more sense to me.. because we all know about lower astral entities but they shouldn't be able to do things like this as you said.

Hey Tea,

The only demons that exist are peoples inner demons lol. There really is no such thing, or evil spirits. Its all fiction.

The spirit world told me recently that as we develop our good, kind, spiritual side so our light grows. The more intense our light the higher the frequency we can exist at in the next life. So in short a person leaving this life and their light is less bright and more dim then they wont be able to reach or experience areas of higher frequency. Until they progress.

The astral plane is an emotional plane that is a reflection of our subconscious and is not the level of existence of the spirit world. At least a spiritualist medium that is how I have come to understand and believe it works. In the astral we will experience reflections of our own subconscious belief and possible fears.

Hope that helps 

Very interesting.. so would that mean that everyone starts out as a low astral entity, then somehow eventually begins to encarnate and reincarnate when they reach a certain level on the spirit plane? And I guess also if in a life, you develop inner demons, maybe you murder and rape women, etc etc.. then when you die you will go down in vibration and have to work your way back up?

In this example, it almost brings into play the Hell beliefs... some people say hell doesnt exist which I believe is true.. but we create our on hell maybe? If that is true, then there would be punishment in this way for doing bad things in life, and rewards for being good.

Or maybe I am looking at it too 3-dimensionally..

Hi all,

I posted this hear cause I didn't know where the appropriate place would be to ask about this. I have been pondering some things lately that I wanted to ask the community to give some insight on.

There are those who believe that demons exist and are evil, others believe that demons are just lower astral entities, and others believe there are no good or bad entities, just different levels of vibration.  I really don't know which is the right answer, but I think it is safe to say that lower entities DO exist and that some could be pretty nasty.

There are alot of alleged cases of "demons" who terrorize people in the physical world, causing physical harm to some of them, haunting them.. in these cases, priests or demonologists end up saying that these demons have specific names and perform exorcisms to banish them etc...

I have heard people in the ghost investigation circuits and demon circuits saying that the difference between a ghost and a demon is that a demon has never been human.

So I started pondering a few questions.. are demon's just another form of lower astral entities? And then a bigger question: Why do lower astral entities and/or demons exist??

What I mean is, if we all come from source and we reincarnate over and over living our lives to learn lessons to eventually return to source, then what purpose is there for source to create these lower entities?

I suspect some may say that these cases of demon attacks on physical people are not real or something else all together, if so what?

I realize this may be a very deep and big question.. maybe too big.. but I would like to hear people's opinions on it either way...

I've been trying every night since. but when I get to the vibrations I start shivering and tense up. I always lose the feeling.

Just try to relax and ignore it, have happy thought and let things happen naturally.. I know its hard but that seems to be what does it. Also, I hear visualizing yourself giving off pure bright white light or having a bubble of pure white protective light helps as well. You do this as you are relaxing each time. Good luck!

I couldn't really tell. everything seemed extremely dark and hazy

Gotcha.. well again congrats on what sounds like a really cool experience!! Look forward to hearing about any future ones u have..

@astral-trea it was very much conscious. I asked if she remember me coming in and she now thinks I'm crazy. I thought she would remember and too experience it. alot of people talk about being pulled from their body and I was thinking maybe I did that to her.maybe she just doesn't remember.

Wow.. very interesting.. I have a pretty open communication with my wife about that stuff and she has had one spontaneous OBE recently.. not sure how much you talk to yours about it but maybe she is just thinking it was a dream or she was in the dream state of conciousness instead of fully concious.. meaning she was dreaming when you pulled her out and that experience got mixed in with everything else that we normally forget so easily due to the state we are in while dreaming (non-lucidly.) But then on the other hand, I have heard that we AP naturally while dreaming so if thats the case, she shouldn't have been there, unless she hadnt started dreaming yet. (just a theory)

I won't go down the road of it being her etheric body because I dont believe that can exit the body like the astral body can unless someone dies.

How did her astral body look compared to her physical? Did she look younger, have a glow? etc.

You don't need to worry about any of that stuff in order to project.   You have all you need right now.   

"I feel like I am due for a chakra tune up for some reason not necessarily just because of AP."

I think it is just something that I want to experience.. not sure.

Hello Astral-Trea, I'm a reiki master myself and I've been to other masters for help with astral projection, though my problems wouldn't be fixed with some healing sessions so I can't tell if it can help ... but it can aid in removing or revealing the causes that may prevent it.

Do you think that in one session, a master could clear/balance my chakras and also if they could raise my kundalini or assist me in raising it? I feel like I am due for a chakra tune up for some reason not necessarily just because of AP. But I have never done any energy treatments or healing so I wasn't sure if I should. I feel like maybe it would help me to also be a more positive person as well.. I guess something is drawing me to go to a healer. I feel like once that is done, and I experience it, I might better be able to clear my own chakras etc in the future. I only ask about doing it in one session cause I don't have much money and so far, in LA, everybody charges that I have found.. some more than others.

I was hoping some experienced APers could share their experiences if they went to the moon. I have heard some people who say they have traveled to the moon and seen structures there along with beings.. I guess on the dark side of the moon.. that whole myth. I just was curious if everyone has this same experience, or if some people have explored it and found nothing. I often wonder if these people who see structures and beings, are seeing something not actually on the physical plane but in a higher astral plane in the same place.

Hi everyone,

I was just wondering if anyone had ever been to a Reiki master for energy healing or some other type of energy healer in order to help with astral projection. Like if someone had trouble, did that, then had more success.. I have been reading alot lately about Chakra blockage and such.. as well as importance of raising the Kundalini before AP.

well people have reported seeing demons, hearing sounds, eneties, everything to do with sp, while trying to do ap, i ve see these posts spammed saying omfg i seen a monster while in ap while in sp, well  ur going to see stuff cause sp common side effects are as i described. WEll i am trying to say when ur in sp your going to see awfull things and hear awwfull things cause that is the common side effect of sp, so i would not recomend doing ap in sp. Also sorry u dident make it clear in ur first post that u were doing ap while in sp, my bad but i hope i did answear someones question reading this : ). My bad for not reading clearly at the top post

Most things I have read say that people see things like that while just IN the SP state, physical eyes open, and not able to move.. they get scared and fight it instead of just relaxing.. I believe its our minds that create these manifestations, which can also happen during AP. But the common thing is fear in both situations and thats the biggest thing to overcome.. if you are afraid and are expecting to see or hear scary things.. then you very possibly will due to that fact according to my research. Also, you are in SP everynight while you dream.. to keep you from acting out your dreams.. its just that some people get stuck in it when they wake up for a little while. I believe that while AP, your body is in a natural SP state.. therefore, you cannot AP without being in SP.. I don't know this for a fact, but I think possibly the same thing could apply where your body would start acting things out that you were doing in the astral planes. It is a defense mechanism, not something to fear.

To withintheruins, Congratz on your experiences! But one thing I noticed is before you ever mentioned the snarling, you talked about how very scary everything was. That could have possibly been the reason why you felt the way you did. I have also heard that the best thing to do in those situations is to get as far from your body as possible.. think about a place far away and go there. The part about you pulling your wife's astral body out and dancing with it is very intriquing.. I was wondering if it was just asleep the whole time or did it seem awake and concious while you were dancing with it? Amazing stuff.

Hi.
Its no big deal. I've had the fear thing as a kid for a few years. I eventually challenged it head on and then realised the thoughts=action thing. Working this out gave me the control I needed. Back then nothing existed communication wise generally. Colour TV wasnt around and packet switch stream was unheard of. No internet whatsoever. Imagine that today...
You were totally alone.
I'll get round to this survey when time allows, it could be entertaining finding the relevant answers.

I know what you mean.. sorta.. when I was a kid and first started reading about AP and lucid dreaming.. it was the late 80s/early 90s and there was no internet then either... I think it was there in a certain form, just not anything usable or accessible to the general public until a little later.  I went to the library and found my first book on AP, the later I remember I ordered a VHS tape about it which was basically just a recorded conference somewhere. I have been interested in AP and reading alot about it for a long time but just haven't gotten serious about trying again until recently.. I kind of gave up when I was a kid out of frustration and not really knowing how to overcome things like now.

Hi,
I've been travelling the multiverse for around 50 years and no ghost has run me over...lol

WOW 50 YEARS of Astral Projection??? That's amazing! I think you are probably one of the people who have been doing it the longest that I have ever heard of then, considering alot of people that are considered the experts have been doing it for about 35 years on average or so. 

Honestly I don't know much about meditation other than you are supposed to stop thinking which is kind of hard. Is there any resources you guys suggest for someone who wants to learn how to meditate properly?

Hi everyone..

I my post a few weeks ago, I talked about how i have a lack of dreams that i can remember.. Or if I do remember one, it is very faint.. Not vivid like they used to be.

I was suggested vitamins, some of which I have been taking like b12.. Affirmations, dream journal, and crystals. I have done all of these and I can say fairly certainly that.. Unfortunately, it seems I wasted my miney on the moldavite crystal and amethyst that I have been putting under my pillow. I use my dream journal only if i remember something which is the problem.. That i cant.. So that is limited. The affirmations dont seem to help... And the only thing that seems to be doing anything is taking melatonin before bed during the week. But even then, i remember short parts of dreams that are very very foggy.

So here is a question I have been wondering... I have been reading alot about the pineal gland and calcification of it. I dont consume much water and if I do, it is usually filtered somehow so i assume I am not getting much flouride from that. I also use flouridated toothpaste like so many others and am trying to find some that is flouride free. I have heard dairy products also calcify the pineal gland and i do eat alot of dairy but i am not sure if this is true.

I wonder if my pineal gland is very calcified and if that is why I am not having vivid dreams and also maybe why i am not very successful at AP.

If anyone could provide a theory on this and some definate ways of reactivating my pineal gland.. Maybe this would help.

[8. What are some dangers?]

8. What are some dangers?

Some very powerful entity taking possession of your body, but due to the natural defenses it should be incredibly hard, so if it could do that, then it could do it while you are not participating in an astral projection, so the dangers are always the same.

This is non-sense... There are no dangers like this.. Only your own fear.

Something to keep in mind.. Alot of ppl believe there ARE pyramids and creatures living on the moon.. Including astronauts that have been there as well as some APers. So u may have been in the RTZ or it could of been something else I dunno.. Just dont be too quick to dismiss that as not being the physical world. Sounds like a great experience.. I too have thought of trying to go to the moon as my first destination if i can ever make it into the RTZ. And unlike you, i hope i will NOT have any encounters with entities for a while.. Atleast until i get used to things on my own lol.

Trea