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I read that too. I think it is because of chakras stimulation. Try working on raising the energy in you Crown Chakra. Hopefully that'll help you

Cheers,

Mo!

Masterbation is GOOOOooood.

In fact i've often gone Astral when knocking one out hehee[]

On a more serious note though, I think the point of Orgasm does contain a lot of Physical and spiritual Energy power. I think the enrgy in orgasm is more powerful than any other energy that around, thats why it doesnt last long.... However women on the other hand!!!

Ugh! Im tired, end of a long day at work [xx(]

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Ive been using BWgen for a bit now.

Cant really say ive encountered any problems. In fact i'd say it's been quite useful

Cheers

Mo!

I think BWGEN is great.

I originally set out to meditate without any aids but living next to an airport doesnt provide the greatest environment (Kinda ironic too). I know they say that if you persist, eventually you'll be able to block out the noise and become adept at meditating in noises environments. But i'm a little bit of an impatient guy. I'm injected with so much enthuiasm towards AP, and meditation that i wanted results sooner, rather than later.

This is when i found BWGEN. And right from the very first try it did it's job. Getting me into a trance state (I think i was using the Deep Meditation preset).

Along with BEGEN i also used a calming technique dubbed 'Mind Awake, Body Asleep' to learn this technique go here - http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5205

Maybe if you try coupling the two of them together you'll have better luck. I know it certainly works for me.

I don't wish to remain dependant on BWGEN and my plan is to ween myself off it eventually. But as far as my opinion goes, it's a great tool to help if your haveing diffculties.

Cheers,

Mo!

Hey Huwie,

Sounds like you made real progress with that last attempt. I havent got to the lifting stage yet. But theres definately something goin on []

I think i mentioned in a previous post somewhere on the site that im gonna give the heavy ROPE a try because up until know ivebeen as light a feather.

Once were all fully able to project, we'll have to meet up and go for a pint down the local astral pub [8D]

Have u tried Brain Wave Generator? I don't think it works for everyone but it's certainly my cup of tea. Maybe it might do the same for you.

To me it definately seems like theres an external force maybe your guide (Like sleepy said) trying to help you out.

I'd try going with the flow next time, especially because you said it didnt seem negative.

Good luck, and let us know what happens []

Hey Edi,Dark.

Just a quick post to say i hope your making good progress Dark and for what it's worth i believe you. I also believe that you'll succeed. I just wish there was more i could do to help.

Cheers,

Mo!

a useful technique is to imagine that your body is really heavy and therefore that it's a big strain to pull yourself up the rope. It's my belief that this helps to focus your concentration. Think about it - if you're actually physically climbing a rope and you find it easy, your mind can wander onto other things

Interesting variation Huwie, when i feel myself climbing the rope, i'm as light as a feather. I might try it the other way around tonight, see if theres any new developments. Cheers!

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Sounds like your close ES.

The important thing (Sounds so corny but) 'If at first you dont succeed, try and try again'.

Have you tried the ROPE method for exiting your physical body? Maybe you should give it a go, i tried rolling out too and exactly the same thing happened. My physical self rolled and broke the moment. ROPE seems to be working great, so far (I havent actually left yet, but it feels right).

So let me change that above quote to -

'If at first you don't succeed... Try ROPE' hehee [)]

Good luck ES

Hey all.

Thanx for all your encouraging replies. It's nice to know theres so much support on this site.

I was reading Robert Bruces OBE Treatise and found some information.

The eye thing -

"Rapid Eye Movement, commonly called the 'REM' state, often happens during an
oobe attempt - often, but not always. This is a natural event triggered by the trance state
when the physical body is very tired - when the physical body falls into a deeper sleep
than is actually required, but with the mind still being held awake. The REM condition
signposts the ideal time to have a lucid dream, as this indicates the dream mind is
becoming active. If fear or other difficulties make OOBE difficult I suggest the projector
focus on having a lucid dream at this time, as this will give some type of related out of
body experience which will help prepare them for a full blown conscious exit OOBE later
on. At this time a 'conscious' lucid dream becomes a viable alternative to a conscious
OOBE, especially if REM activity is disturbing and breaking the concentration of the
projector. Keep in mind here that a lucid dream can be converted into a Real Time or
astral projection if the projector focuses on and 'feels' for their body. They will then either
project back to their body, or near to it, and a full OOBE can continue, or is then much
easier to attain." (Robert Bruce, OBE Treatise)

The heart thing -

"The heart chakra is forced to provide a lot of energy, to generate the projectable
double, during an awake induced OBE attempt. Excessive heart center activity, and all
other heavy exit sensations, are 'caused' by the presence of 'awake' consciousness, which
cause a plethora of bio-energetic conflicts to arise. To support this: think how easily you
project out of body when your mind is asleep, and out of the bio-energetic equation?" - (Robert Bruce, OBE Treatise)

So definately some questions answered there!! []

I think what i'm going to do is continue to attempt AP, like some of you's said. If you keep at it your body compensates. I think i'm also going to work on boosting my Chakras (Especially my heart). It can only be a good thing.

One things for sure, were all on the right path and theres no need to run. Once we're there we'll have all the time in the (astral)world. And for those of you who are already there, save me a seat next to window, i wanna room with a view hehee.

Thanx again for you help in answering my questions (If anyone else has anything to add, please post. I'll put u on my christmas list [)] )

Cheers

Mo!

I havent AP'd yet but i got the closest using -

The "Mind Awake, Body Asleep". Once i was relaxed enough i started to use ROPE. A couple of minutes using ROPE and then 'BRING ON THE STRANGE'. I didnt actually AP but i know it was my own fault because i lost concentration. With a little more practice im sure i will AP (Alot of it is to do with motivation and belief too :0P).

I know this is the technique that worked for me but as previously mentioned everybody finds there own way.

Cheers,

Mo.

Oh really,

I didnt realise that could work. I'll certainly give it a try. Anything to get rid of the din. I hoping to develope my meditation so that noises and such don't interfere. But for now any sound will do.

Where Did Robert Bruce mention white noise. I dont have any of his books yet, so i was just wondering incase i missed something.

Cheers Huwie.

Mo.

I havent tried Hemi-sync. But i too have never been able to be hypnotised (It was very embarrassing when the entertainment for a wedding i was at was a hypnotist lol)

For me Brain Wave generator certainly does the best job for getting into a deep state. I would prefer to use nothing, but it's jus too darn noisey where im at.

Blah.... Damm Planes!!!!

Cool recount Jeff.

Maybe you fell quickly from the second floor because you had it in your mind to jump. Normally when we say jump it implies a fast landing. I could be wrong and im certainly no expert but it's possible. Maybe try floating or flying through next.

Brilliant recount though. Wonder what the whole Joey thing was?

Thanks for the insight Jeff.

I got to the heart beating stage, but it beat so fast it ended up putting me off (I think coz it was my first time). But i'm gonna try again tonight and just let my body go with the flow.

Cheers,

Mo

Thanks for the booster Huwie,

I think because it was a first time for me, thats why it kind concerned me. I think it's going to be the same for all the different stages twords AP for me.

When i try it again i know the racing heart won't put me off, but if and when the vibrations kick in, that'll spook me out for the first time. I think it's just a matter of getting used it all as a process.

Thanx for the advice tho. It's appreciated.

Did anyone else get tooth ache after listening to the Holosync Demo!
I just finished it, very nice stuff, very relaxing, but towards the end i got horrible sharpe pains in my right upper Molar. I stopped the music and a couple of minutes later the pains gone!

Jeez, never had that before [)]

P.S - God bless my 1MBPS Cable!! Hehee []

Maaaan!

I couldnt read that article to the end. Maybe it's jus lazy old me, but the font drove my eyes crackers!

[8D] I think i'm gonna cut and paste into word, right after i get rid of this HEADACHE! LOL

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I reckon, if you got one of those OpenGL screensavers with the multi coloured lights, flares, orbs and all other such movements goin on. It could be interesting to AP into that enviroment.

Or even if you got a slide show screen saver of some scenery and you projected towards the monitor, it'd basically be a lottery as to where you'd end up. that'd be pretty cool.

Whoopsi!

This post escaped my eye and i ended up posting a new topic about exactly the same thing. Ah Well, live and learn!

I'll say it again anyhow - Aphex Twin Ambient Volumes are pure Bliss.

Tangerine Dream also v.good.

Also try looking for Boards of Canada. Not exactly the best for AP but class chillout (with a weird vibe).

So i tried the 'Mind Awake' Method today.

Sucess, as i got further than i had before. (Bare in mind im pretty much still honeing my meditation skills)

At first i thought it wasnt going to work, because i live a house with three other friends coming and going. At first i found it hard to settle down with other activity going on (Not to mention airplanes passing every 5 minutes).

It was then i remembered The Brain Wave generator program, 'Brill' i thought. Sure enough i slipped the earphones on, got all comfy and slipped into the deepest trance state that i'd ever been in. After using the 'Mind Awake' method for about 30 minutes (It still takes me a while) I started to get a little disorientated. So much so at one point my arms flinched in order to regain my balance (I know that shouldn't happen but it did)

After i regained a realxed state i decided to begin ROPE. After using ROPE for about 3 minutes, my heart beat started to race REAL quick! I don't know whether this was down to anxiety or the fact that i was getting close to AP. The problem was my heart was beating so fast it broke my state as i became a little concerned.

So thanks again for the 'Mind Awake' Method. It's taken me further than i'd been before and i'm sure with enough practise it could take me further.

Quija boards are bad news (full stop). No good can come of them! (If you don't know what your doing) Although it may seem like your talking to a relative or a loved one, you most likely talking to a neg.

If you are determined to use one, make sure you find out the protection methods first and research, otherwise if it goes balls up, your in trouble.

Dayum Dark,

Sounds like there putting you through hell. Still it's sounds like your starting to make progress.

Good Luck!

Yeah Nagual

Thats the one. Well spotted.

DroneZone Kicks butt!! Best Chillout music i've ever heard.

Go to the website Nagual posted or get itunes, either way you have to experience this station!!

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