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Hi Adrian......regarding your last post i have to disagree...scientists and psychologists are in my opinion perfectly entitled to ask for proof...there are so many charlatans as you know in the psychic field..Ive seen dozens in my time and only a few who could produce the goods..the point is that we have to explain why those of us who cannot control real time projections are faced with that difficulty..fluctuation of most if not all astral projection environments is a good enough reason..those of us who do project know that we are not hallucinating etc...astral projection is about the only subjective spiritual experience that cannot be doubted when you experience it..understanding and controlling it is a different matter....maybe in the course of spiritual evolution  more people will develop the chakras etc enough to control it properly and then proof will come..so far this is not the case.....

yes Amir..you make another valid point...as i said if i could control a real time OBE I would be the first to attempt randi's challenge....ethically one could donate the 1 million to some legitimate charity whatever..but regarding this one can only decide these things for oneself..plenty of reasons can be given why folk dont volunteeer for this..we can only make out own decisions...bearing in mind there are mediums and psychics by the thousands if not millions i wonder why they dont apply..i have seen for example transfiguration mediums..totally genuine and so on..where i have seen spirit beings "materialize"..in front of me..I have seen many spirits myself...but this sort of thing cannot be brought on line at one's will for many reasons...as i say if i could do it i would....
michael

you make a valid point....as a projector myself i would love to prove it but like yourself have never had the ability to control an OBE in the real time zone....and it often ;puzzled me as to why for example Sylvan muldoon did not attempt exactly the sort of experiment you suggest..Ive tried that in years past with the Oxford institute of psyophysical research with NO success....as you are aware Robert monroe tried this with Charles tart and did not succeed although he did perceive a non target environment at the experimental area..ie a woman speaking to her husband in the corridor...we have to explain why it does not happen..I could give a lot of reasons which are basically a waste of time since they will always be legitimately described as "excuses"..but on the other hand i would not judge others as to why they do not attempt it..I have 100% confidence in the sincerity of robert bruce etc...he's spent years serving folks on this an previous sites with true humility and voluntary ( sometimes thnakless)service..( unlike a lot we could mention) ...but an interesting aspect of all this is explained in Rudolf Steiner's "Theosophy" as to why psychic events tend not to be "provable"..as i say it sounds an "excuse" but that doesnt make it necessarily invalid....but your main point as to why OBE's have never been proved is of course a valid one and I totally accept it....
michael

peterhead
scotland

Hi daivid,
ive sent a reply to your email address re this..also tried your url but did not succeed....in the mantime Ive a few articles on roberts articles site if you are interested..
regards
michael Ross

..you can only go by your own experience..in my case the majority of my OBE's were preceded by a Lucid dream where I knew I was dreaming....and then became 100% conscious in an OBE where my sense of self was identical to waking life which is not in my experience quite the same as when in a lucid dream...somehow although you can cahnge the dream environemnt etc during a lucid dream..it is not in my case truly 1900% conscious and in full charge..whereas in an OBE it usualy is the case...hope you have a fully conscious OBE soon..you are almost there..

you are so close....frustratingly close...I find that I can only project AFTER falling asleep.....you must be very close with all the symptoms...try to keep an image of projecting allied to all the exit sensations you are experiencing..and slip off to sleep..your consciousness might then transfer ok to the astral body and you will then find yourself out..good luck!

hi Silverball..sorry to read about your girlfriend..regarding your question re suicide..in my opinion that is most definitely not the answer...
even though your motive is well intentioned I think you would cause those you left unutterable pain...which sort of cancels out the good you may think you are doing by going on before your girlfriend dies..but I posted an article re this suicde and OBE thing on Robert's articles site.."Suicide and OBE"..it describes how i had an extremely short meeting with my son who committed suicide ..it only lasted a few seconds...but there is definitly no eternal hell scenario..but he deeply regretted the situation he left behind..and karmically he and we left behind wil have to accomodate this and come to terms with it all in future times...it is never a good thing hardly to commit suicide since it leaves so much pain behind..permanent solution to a temporary problem as the saying goes....if your dgirlfriend is indeed terminal...maybe she will be able to cope if she knows what to expect...there are so many good sources for this....I'd recommend any of Rudolf Steiner's books on this which describe how the body dies and the soul moves on...Ive forgotten the title but there is a good short book by Stanley Drake...which describes the death process and what to expect....in any caase I do hope that you both can cope with what is an extremely distressing situation..take care
michael